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Old 22-06-2008, 11:40 AM
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Article about the Greek ideology and philosophy

a. The Greeks claim to have invented philosophy, but its ultimate origins not only lie elsewhere (eg Pythagoras took his views from the Egyptians, who were already using number mysticism and music-theory originially encoded in the Gilgames epic of the Summerians, 3000 years before the word 'Greek' was invented) but the Greeks killed Socrates and, in effect, rejected philosophy. They treated their own enlightened people like dirt. And they were and always have been typical Mediteranian ethinic-religious oriented mentalities...inherently anti-intellectual and closed-minded. Consider: given that they are no longer occupied by the 'Turkish Barbarian', why then are they intellectually and culturally stagnant? Now: Turkey is also stagnant, but that is to be expected: afteral, as the Greeks of want to say it, we are 'Barbarians': But they on the other hand are 'civilised': they invented philososphy, right? So why then are Greeks, together with their beloved Serbian comrades, the most intellectually backward constituency of modern Europe? The answer is simple: they are ethinci-religious oriented and, for the most part, cannot engage in genuine intellectual discourse, especially about their supposedly glorious past...and especially when it comes to the intrinsically dissident and anti-hellenic character of philosophy, both then and now.

b.The Persians they fought had no institution of slavery. But the Greeks had it...Yet they claim to have fought for and even invented 'Freedom': This is utter cynicism and a corruption of both sense and of the meaning of freedom. Actually what the Greeks meant by 'freedom' was something achieved at the full expense of others: freedom achived at the price of the unfeedom of others. That is why theirs was a slave society: The Romans inherited the same Greek malise and, for their part, claimed to value 'libertas': How sick!

c.They claim to have invented democracy...but the liberal democracy we know of is actually more of an English invention: What the Greeks had was a very unfair and shambolic system: More of a RHETORICRACY, and the manipulation of the public by a sophistic aristocracy through chaos and theatrics in public speech, geared on emotion...not reason. One self-destructive result of this 'system' stands out the clearest: Toward the end of the Pelopenassian war, when the Athenians defeated the Spartans at the naval battle of Argineau, the admirals couldn't recover the bodies of the fallen. This was their religious duty. Bt they couldn't, because a sea storm was brewing, and, having secured their greatest naval victory ever, they didn't now want to loose the whole fleet. When the Athenans learnt this, they made a frenzied public outcry. Competing aristocrats or rhetoricrats of Athens, who now envied and feared the growing prestige and power of the admirals, saw an opportunity to get rid of them. They used their rhetoricratic skills to bring to frenzy the religiously-crazed Athenian people and call for the liquidation of the admirals. Only Socrates was against this and, in a special council held to decide the fate of the admirals, voted against it. But the admirals were executed non the less and, consequently, Athens lost its greatest naval talent. Predictably, at the next sea battle, the mediocre Spartans managed to inflict a massive, crushing and crippling defeat on the Athenians...precisely because they executed their own admirals on the basis of religious-irrationalistic bullshit. Consequently, the Athenians lost the Pelopenassian war because of this defeat.
All of this proves that the 'democracy' of ancient Athens was a self-destructive rhetoricratic madhouse, where 'reasoned speech and moral choice' had absolutely no role to play whatsoevere, and the result was always invariably messy and unjust..at least at the most critical and challenging moment: The execution of Socrates is also a good example of 'democracy' in operation, and the fact that Aristotle had to abandon Athens,"...before Athens kills another philosopher"... also illustrated the point amply. No wonder then that the philosophers like Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were agains 'democracy', although we make the mistake of traslating their anti-democracy as an offense against our own liberal democraies...which have no similarity or semblence to the Greek institution: Liberal democracy of the present is a much clamer and farer way of doing things, whatever its manifold deficiencies: we have the English to thank for this system, not the Greeks. Infact, the closest that the modern world ever came to the Athenian 'system' was in the Nazi Nuremburg Rallies of the 1930s: Part of the Nazi regime that, like that of the Greeks, was also heavily rhetoricratic and mass-emotion driven; was also a slave society, and, again like the Greeks, geared to secure 'greatness' at the huge expense of others.

d. Modern Greeks are also vulnerable to the rightful accusation that, like their Serbian comrades, and like others in the Balkans...they are acually ethnic-cleanser cultures. Now Turks have also committed ethnic cleansing. But ethnic cleansing is not something psychologically and emotionally coveted in Turkish culture. The English have also commited terrible barbarities in their past: But they have no orthodox priestohood to encourege in them the desire to one day wipe out, say, the French or Brittany from the cheese-making barbarians. But the Greeks -and, indeed, Serbs- are absolutely obsesssed with such dreams, coveted and inculcated at a very young age by a corpus of culturaly ethnic-cleanser-oriented parents, teachers and preists. They are going to take back Constantinapole and the Agean cost, right? They are never to tired to tell you that..."It was ours for three-thousand years, and it will be ours again." All very well: but what exactly will the recovery of old properties entail to peoples who have settled in these areas as a matter of fait accompli? No doubt they will be handled in the same way as the 20 thousand Rhodes Turks were once handled: No doubt, they will be 'managed' the same way that the 40 thousand Cretain Turks were 'managed': In short, driven out or wiped out...in one night: In other words, ethnic cleansing.

Like his Serbian fellow, the Greek is a corpus of inferiority compexes especially vis-a-vis the Turk, made worse by a sense of historic delusion of grandure, no doubt bolstered by the self-promoting myths of the West -i.e as the supposed inheritor of Athenian democracy, rationality, civilsation and....'freedom': It is all sickly and cynical of course, and has proven to be both delusion and self-promotion highly destructive to the world...as were the classical Greeks).
The Greeks will need to learn to come to terms with their history: Yes, we ruled them for 5-hundred years: but all this is passe': there is no reason to cultivate and covet hatered, much less dreams of future ethnic cleansing projecets against the 'barbarian Mongoloid Turk'. Ironically, the Greeks were clear contributors to Ottoman art, culture and administration, and were amongst the most loyal and reliable of the milets...though they don't accept this or even accept the Ottomans as a leading civilisation and culture of medieval times, despite the fact that they contributed to it: (how could this be? Aren't Turks 'barbarians'?).
They will also need to come to terms with and culturally evolve beyond the destructive and ethnic-cleanser confines of their ethnic-religious nationalism...or else end up the same way the Serbs are going...essentially, nowhere.
They will also need to come to terms with their unfounded and ultimately self-destructive historic delusions; especially when it comes to their historic rejection of philosophy. Doing this might actually allow them to see the classical philosophers in a new light and, possibly, acquire those mentalities, and thus abandon their disgusting ethnic-religious nationalsit and intellectuall-culturaly stagnant mentalities.
Lastly, they and the whole Blakans will need to come to some amicable relation with their neighbours and, like it or not, historic compatriots, the Turks; They have to do this, if for no other reason than the fact that their populations are in serious demographic decline, while ours is rocketing. Moreover, while Turkish culture and civilsation may have been down and out for the last thre hundred years (in effect we are living our our own civilisational and cultural dark age, made worse by islam) the lobg term trends indicate a recovery and even a re-ascendency: In the future, the leading societies in the region will either be Persian, or Turkish, or both: Therefore the Balkan trash and the ethnic-cleanser cultures preponderant in the Balkans really need to come to terms with us....OR ELSE.
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