Yes, we must stop terrorism

[MarieAnn]

I believe that we must all fight terrorism everywhere, but it shouldn't be selective, I do believe that some muslims are terrorists, but if you compare them to other terrorists, with all the disappointments they've had from the world, not an excuse of course, but, look at the terrorism of the jews, who remembers the ATTACK on LIBERTY, what was that, who remembers SABRA & SHATELLAH, we can't forget the killing of innocents in Iraq, of course for democracy, in Palestine, to save jews, poor ones, they are surrounded with brutal, terrorist arabs, have a look at these videos, I know you'll be hurt, but we have to face facts, this is how the money given to israel is used for, not forgetting the wars the usa is sending her children to fight the israelis wars against who, we all heard all the lies about iraq. Saddam is gone , iraq is finely living in democracy and peace!!! Do you know that ARABS are SEMITICS, so anti semitism really going the wrong way, jews are anti semitism, they are killig children, the elderly, women and all the innocent people, they started by killing Jesus, they do confess to that as you will see in the video,they have stronger statements.lets all open our eyes and stop the craziness.
Since I'm not allowed to put some videos in, I would like you to go and check some videos at you tube, Jews,Birth of an Icon, Palestine, The children of Palestine and Iraq, Abu Ghraib, and you can check Al dameer al arabi, it's loaded with the real life pictures of the miseries and terrorism we're trying to stop.

[Hafke]

Anti semitism refers specifically to Jews. The Israelis are not terrorists, they are defending themselves from constant attacks. If the Palestinians don't want to be attacked, I respectfully suggest they stop attacking Israeli civilians and using their own as shields.

No, not all Muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of institutional religious intolerance, misogyny, racism and homophobia are in Islamic countries. If you hate Israel so much, why don't you live there for a little while and then compare it to any of its neighbours?

Please try to improve your spelling and punctuation. Like it or not, not doing so does not give the impression of intelligence and rationality.

[MarieAnn]

Sam was one of Noah's sons, his descenders were called semitics, akkadian, amharic, arabic, aramaic, ge'ez, hebrew, maltese, phoenician, tigre and tigrinya. later on, in the 19th century, the jews started using this term to refer to jew haters, actually, jews, as followers of the prophet Moses, are not hated, to be more specific, we can call them, THE ZIONISTS, by the way, Moses followers were from so many tribes,only one of them tribes was the hebrews. This small information is to educate u a little bit, you can research the subject. As for israelis not being terrorist, I'll put some more videos for you, although I'm sure you know a lot, and have seen some with your own eyes, they're not defending themselves, they are killing the owners of the land, long, long time ago, they were just a barbarian tribe, nowadays, most of them are not even semitics.
Actually most muslims r not terrorists, they were the finders of civilizations. but the like of you are using their lies, to show them in a distorted image.
Now we come to my spelling.....don't worry a lot about it, I know I can give u a few lessons in punctuation, spelling and grammar, but the point here, is that ur comments were irrelevant and sorry to tell u, illiterate, and, I'm sure that you're not ill informed, but you're reversing, and overturning facts deliberately. if you want to leave me another comment, please try to make it relevant to the subject.

[Hafke]

(1) Actually most muslims r not terrorists, they were the finders of civilizations. but the like of you are using their lies, to show them in a distorted image.
(2) Now we come to my spelling.....don't worry a lot about it, I know I can give u a few lessons in punctuation, spelling and grammar, but the point here, is that ur comments were irrelevant and sorry to tell u, illiterate, and, I'm sure that you're not ill informed, but you're reversing, and overturning facts deliberately. if you want to leave me another comment, please try to make it relevant to the subject.

(1) "Finders of civilisation"? That was over 800 years ago! If a culture has no other achievements about which it can boast, it has has nothing.

(2) Um, have you read your posts? How am I not giving relevent arguments? How am I illiterate? You claim that Israelis are terrorists and I disagreed.

[MarieAnn]

(1) "Finders of civilisation"? That was over 800 years ago! If a culture has no other achievements about which it can boast, it has has nothing.

(2) Um, have you read your posts? How am I not giving relevent arguments? How am I illiterate? You claim that Israelis are terrorists and I disagreed.

When I stated that israelis are terrorists, I gave examples, "the assault on liberty", "sabra & shatellah", etc... I added some videos for everybody to watch, not forgetting the murder of Jesus Christ, they're proud of their murders. I gave you some historical facts, your comments were irrelevant, I would like you to watch the videos, tell me about Liberty, Sabra & shatellah, give me facts, origin of Israelis etc...
read your comments, in bold, I know you've read it, of course you have, but as I said before, you're reversing and overturning facts, deliberately,try with you're next comments, please try, to be more specific, tell me about liberty, jesus christ, the videos, give me facts.
Scientists, literate people acknowledge the value of Arabian scientists, they still refer to their discoveries and books, I hope this answers your question, How am I illiterate.
sorry, but I have to correct your spelling, relevent is wrong you should have written relevant. your comment about spelling etc... could be useful, improvement for all.

[Spades]

I believe that we must all fight terrorism everywhere, but it shouldn't be selective, I do believe that some muslims are terrorists, but if you compare them to other terrorists, with all the disappointments they've had from the world, not an excuse of course, but, look at the terrorism of the jews, who remembers the ATTACK on LIBERTY, what was that, who remembers SABRA & SHATELLAH, we can't forget the killing of innocents in Iraq, of course for democracy, in Palestine, to save jews, poor ones, they are surrounded with brutal, terrorist arabs, have a look at these videos, I know you'll be hurt, but we have to face facts, this is how the money given to israel is used for, not forgetting the wars the usa is sending her children to fight the israelis wars against who, we all heard all the lies about iraq. Saddam is gone , iraq is finely living in democracy and peace!!! Do you know that ARABS are SEMITICS, so anti semitism really going the wrong way, jews are anti semitism, they are killig children, the elderly, women and all the innocent people, they started by killing Jesus, they do confess to that as you will see in the video,they have stronger statements.lets all open our eyes and stop the craziness.
Since I'm not allowed to put some videos in, I would like you to go and check some videos at you tube, Jews,Birth of an Icon, Palestine, The children of Palestine and Iraq, Abu Ghraib, and you can check Al dameer al arabi, it's loaded with the real life pictures of the miseries and terrorism we're trying to stop.
Much of what this statement says is wrong.

1) Iraq is not yet living in democracy and peace in the full sense of the word (or we wouldn't still be there).
2) Secondly, Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic)
"The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" refers specifically to hostility toward Jews, further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term."
So while you may be right or not be right about your comment about Arabs being sematic (although Muslims are not all semitic) it is understandable for Hafke to associate antisemitism to Jews.
3) While Israeli's have killed innocent people a lot of which was in retalation or in the crossfire with Palestinians. Thats not to say it is right but there attacks are directed as retaliation mostly. Its deceptive to make it out to sound like they unprovokingly attacking innocents. Palestinians, or terrorists in particular do attack innocents on purpose to instill the fear that no one is safe.
4) Since you mention Abu Ghraib its starting to sound like your perception of events is slightly clouded. By attributing a horrible incident automatically to terrorism isn't a logical argument. How is Abu Ghraib really terrorism? It was a horrible event/experience but that does not mean to call it terrorism. Your post confuses me

[janahitwadi]

Terrorists cannot have religion. In fact if every one follows his her religion there shall be less conflicts. Every one tries to show that his/her religion is the best and all in this world must follow the same religion. People try to convert others to their religion and the conflict starts. First action should be conversion from one religion to other should be totally stopped. Next action should be no one should be allowed to perform religious rights in a place where people from other religion allso stay. Third action should be religion should be considered as private affair.

If step by step we in this world follow this, then there shall be no terrorist activity on account of religion.

By the way I read a list of terrorists and out of first 10, 7 were other than Muslims. These 7 were Christens and Jews. Can some one find this and put their names here?

[MarieAnn]

Jana, I totally agree with you, this is the point I'm trying to pinpoint, that terrorism has no religion, no race, no color, what I believe is mine, I don't have to kill others to prove my point, I, for myself, I believe in all religions, I believe in God, and I do believe people are free to worship God any way they like, if everyone would obey their prophets, we'll be living in a totally different world.

[MarieAnn]

Spades, when I said Iraq is living in democracy, I was trying to be sarcastic, sorry it didn't show, for I thought everyone would understand what I meant.
Semitics, I did mention all the descendant of Sam, who are the Semitics, and stated that in the 19th century it started referring to Jew haters.
I was really glad to see that you did research the subject, since you have, you must have noticed that Arabs are Semitic. I know that not all Muslims are Semitic, and I did mention that nowadays Jews are not all Semitic.
Sorry, but Hafke, as zionists have convinced everybody, that Jews are the only Semitics, while history, the old testament are telling us who the Semitics are. It's like using the word terrorist to refer to Arabs and Muslims, while as Jana has said, and we all know that this is totally true, that 70% of terrorists are not Muslims, they are Christian or Jews.
Have you heard about the Israeli's Bulldozer & the American Peace activist, Rachel Corrie, and I have mentioned so many examples before, and when the Israelis took the Palestinians land, it had nothing to do with retaliation, you are well informed, and a good researcher, read about Daer Yasseen, Sabra & Shattellah, read what they did to Palestinians since 1946 even you will find stories before this date, they were murdering them in cold blood, for what????? Why don't you consider that the Palestinians are trying to retaliate, I'm not with what Palestinians do, killing civilians, and I can tell you, not all Palestinians and not all jews believe in terrorism.[/font]
Abu Ghraib must be considered terrorism, let's define terrorism, terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence, while Abu Ghraib prisoners, being prisoners of war, should be respected, treated well etc.. read Geneva Convention, [/font]I think you'll agree with me that violence is being used.
Hope I have clarified the cloudy atmosphere, if you have any more comments, I would gladly clarify, I do enjoy, debating with literate educated, well informed people.

[janahitwadi]

Jana, I totally agree with you, this is the point I'm trying to pinpoint, that terrorism has no religion, no race, no color, what I believe is mine, I don't have to kill others to prove my point, I, for myself, I believe in all religions, I believe in God, and I do believe people are free to worship God any way they like, if everyone would obey their prophets, we'll be living in a totally different world.
Religion is meant for uniting people and not for fighting and eliminating people.

[MarieAnn]

Religion is meant for uniting people and not for fighting and eliminating people.
Jana if we go back to all religions, we find out that the first message to ALL the prophets were to show Humans that there is a God, the creator, that was followed by teaching Humans how to treat their Humans brothers, the last part was to show them how to worship God, worshiping was for Humans development, praying is the relation between Humans and God, and of course it's the best meditation for the soul. But Humans forget the love that should abide them together.

[Trouble43]

Anti semitism refers specifically to Jews. The Israelis are not terrorists, they are defending themselves from constant attacks. If the Palestinians don't want to be attacked, I respectfully suggest they stop attacking Israeli civilians and using their own as shields.


Israel is as bad as Palestine, that's the problem. You cannot get two warring factions, who hate each other with such blinding intensity, to talk about anything but the need for the others aniahilation. Im not sure there will ever be a solution to this problem.

Before you mention my spelling, etc - I should point out that I have had two minor strokes. The second of which, aside from leaving me with some physical problems, have also left me slightly brain damaged. My spelling, grammar and such has been very poor. It's getting better, but has still a way to go yet.

[MarieAnn]

[quote=Trouble43;42379]Israel is as bad as Palestine, that's the problem. You cannot get two warring factions, who hate each other with such blinding intensity, to talk about anything but the need for the others annihilation. I'm not sure there will ever be a solution to this problem.

Hatred has blinded most people, this is one of the reasons that terrorism is spreading, as I have mentioned before, terrorism has no color, no race and of course no religion. You were quite right, but you'll have to recognize, that part of the problem is people taking other people's land and killing them.

[Trouble43]

Hatred has blinded most people, this is one of the reasons that terrorism is spreading, as I have mentioned before, terrorism has no color, no race and of course no religion. You were quite right, but you'll have to recognize, that part of the problem is people taking other people's land and killing them.

Again, they're both at fault; the borders between Palestinians and Jews constantly shift and fluctuate - no place more than this than at the Gaza strip. The most recent act of violence carried out, was by the Jewish government and army against the Palestinians; the jewish army mounting a fuel blockade.

I cannot see this conflict ever ceasing.

[pauli007001]

The Palestinians nor Israel aere the cause of islamic terror,that is the excuse they use.Islamic terror is sanctioned by the wahiibi interpretation of the Koran as an excellent way to forcibly spread the Islamic faith.It is known in sunni moslem circles as the sword of Islam!
However i agree it is wrong to take over peoples land and kill them,as the moslems did to Israel some 1000 years ago,thankfully the Judean people have their homelands returned to them!

[Trouble43]

The Palestinians nor Israel aere the cause of islamic terror,that is the excuse they use.Islamic terror is sanctioned by the wahiibi interpretation of the Koran as an excellent way to forcibly spread the Islamic faith.It is known in sunni moslem circles as the sword of Islam!
However i agree it is wrong to take over peoples land and kill them,as the moslems did to Israel some 1000 years ago,thankfully the Judean people have their homelands returned to them!


Their religions are not at fault here. The Koran is essentially a peaceful religion, just as Judaism is. It is their countries leaders that are at fault. Until there is a sea change of opinion and attitudes at the top in both countries, the conflict will continue. Innocent men, women and children will still die on both sides - considered as little more than 'collateral damage' by the powers that be.

That, IMHO, is the most reprehensible part of all.

[MarieAnn]

However i agree it is wrong to take over peoples land and kill them,as the moslems did to Israel some 1000 years ago,thankfully the Judean people have their homelands returned to them!
Thank you for the clarification about the Quran & the old testament, but as I have mentioned before, the Jews were, even before 1000 years, you may go back to Moses days, they were one of the tribes living in the Fertile Crescent, and when Moses came with his Message, many of different tribes believed in his message, some were even Egyptians, anyway, Judaism was a religion, and through ages, they've turned it into a nation, just imagine, a nation of Christians, Judaism and Muslims. By the way,most Israelis nowadays are not even Semitics, I'm sure you know all about it, with the information you've given. So you see, Arabs didn't take away anybody's land, they were living among them.

[pauli007001]

Thank you for the clarification about the Quran & the old testament, but as I have mentioned before, the Jews were, even before 1000 years, you may go back to Moses days, they were one of the tribes living in the Fertile Crescent, and when Moses came with his Message, many of different tribes believed in his message, some were even Egyptians, anyway, Judaism was a religion, and through ages, they've turned it into a nation, just imagine, a nation of Christians, Judaism and Muslims. By the way,most Israelis nowadays are not even Semitics, I'm sure you know all about it, with the information you've given. So you see, Arabs didn't take away anybody's land, they were living among them.

How then would you propose we bring about an end to this issue in Palestine/Israel?
Then on a seperate issue how would you solve the issue of terrorism in UK or against the USA or Spain etc etc.Is anything ever going to work?

[Spades]

Thank you for the clarification about the Quran & the old testament, but as I have mentioned before, the Jews were, even before 1000 years, you may go back to Moses days, they were one of the tribes living in the Fertile Crescent, and when Moses came with his Message, many of different tribes believed in his message, some were even Egyptians, anyway, Judaism was a religion, and through ages, they've turned it into a nation, just imagine, a nation of Christians, Judaism and Muslims. By the way,most Israelis nowadays are not even Semitics, I'm sure you know all about it, with the information you've given. So you see, Arabs didn't take away anybody's land, they were living among them.

Are you.... serious? So if America decides to invade an area lets say religiouly dominated by Sunni's for example... and down the road these sunni's are not the same sunni's we took it from. These new Muslim's take a piece of the land back from us. Can we Cry fowl and demand our land back with suicide bombers and what-not. I can assure you the Muslims would say NO (Emphasis on the caps).

No there were a big Surge of muslim advance all the way through northern africa to Spain (Where they were stopped by Charles something or other). They also invaded and stole lands all the way up to Constantinople which (Gasp) was a religious city I believe. By the way that 'living' among them idea only happened later on after the land was taken. Nice try but you are argument barely makes any sense.

[MarieAnn]

How then would you propose we bring about an end to this issue in Palestine/Israel?
Then on a seperate issue how would you solve the issue of terrorism in UK or against the USA or Spain etc etc.Is anything ever going to work?
So many ways to solve the problem, common sense would say to give the land back, Jews can live their if they choose to, do you know that their first option was somewhere in Africa, I think it was Ghana, but since common sense is not ruling nowadays, the Jews have to abide to the Peace treaties, and stop killing the Palestinians.
I'm against ALL types of terrorism, I'm against wars, I'm even against killing animals, terrorism in Europe, America and of course the Arab world must be stopped, you might ask how, well maybe if Israel would, as I have mentioned, abide to the peace treaties, this might do it. Of course America must stop interfering with other countries interior affairs, shouldn't America look after her citizens, economy wise, and stop killing Americans in distant countries, I'm sure, America can get her Petrol in a much easier way, peaceful way.

[pauli007001]

So many ways to solve the problem, common sense would say to give the land back, Jews can live their if they choose to, do you know that their first option was somewhere in Africa, I think it was Ghana, but since common sense is not ruling nowadays, the Jews have to abide to the Peace treaties, and stop killing the Palestinians.
I'm against ALL types of terrorism, I'm against wars, I'm even against killing animals, terrorism in Europe, America and of course the Arab world must be stopped, you might ask how, well maybe if Israel would, as I have mentioned, abide to the peace treaties, this might do it. Of course America must stop interfering with other countries interior affairs, shouldn't America look after her citizens, economy wise, and stop killing Americans in distant countries, I'm sure, America can get her Petrol in a much easier way, peaceful way.

In the Jewish Tradition Israel is their historic homeland dating back 5750 or more years,Jews have resided there througout history and have preserved faith and culture recognised by most as the basis of more than a faith and more than a culture.Under muslim rule Jews have been treated in a horrendous manner,look to Jews today in Iran forced to wear the star of David in yellow on their Left lapel under pain of death.Look at the treatment of Jews in ISRAEL ever since the turkish invasions during the early days of the wars that became known as the Crusades!
Have any palestinians any evidence to support their claim.The palestinians of today are beduin tribesmen who only settled after the creation of the modern state of Israel as they saw a great oppurtunity to claim benefits(not all but some palestinians).Israel does not initiate these actions but responds to attacks by people from the west bank,Gaza and the heights committins suicide bombings,mortar attacks and kidnappings!Perhaps both sides should offer an olive leaf,as fatah and Israel did,but then Hamas continued and radicalised the attacks.Is it wrong for the state of Israel to defend its people?
I think that it is unrealistic to think that just because you want something that it is acheivable.We all want peace,but history has shown us that appeasement leads to more violence in the long run!Look at Britains appeasement of Nazi aggression during the 1930s,if we had reacted earlyer whe Hitler annexed austria we may have caught him at a time when he didnt have the military strength to cause such hardship and suffering,not only to the Allies and the Jewish people but to all the people involved in the war and their families,including the German people,but mostly the Jews!

[Spades]

So many ways to solve the problem, common sense would say to give the land back, Jews can live their if they choose to, do you know that their first option was somewhere in Africa, I think it was Ghana, but since common sense is not ruling nowadays, the Jews have to abide to the Peace treaties, and stop killing the Palestinians.
I'm against ALL types of terrorism, I'm against wars, I'm even against killing animals, terrorism in Europe, America and of course the Arab world must be stopped, you might ask how, well maybe if Israel would, as I have mentioned, abide to the peace treaties, this might do it. Of course America must stop interfering with other countries interior affairs, shouldn't America look after her citizens, economy wise, and stop killing Americans in distant countries, I'm sure, America can get her Petrol in a much easier way, peaceful way.


A) The Jews took the land the same way the Muslims did.
B) What land is designated for Jews to live in. (There are a lot of muslim countries but how many Jewish ones do you see)?
C) That America crack about us doing it for oil I don't believe for one bit. Of course, if you can show me evidence of this I will be happy to look at it all.

[MarieAnn]

Are you.... serious? So if America decides to invade an area lets say religiouly dominated by Sunni's for example... and down the road these sunni's are not the same sunni's we took it from. These new Muslim's take a piece of the land back from us. Can we Cry fowl and demand our land back with suicide bombers and what-not. I can assure you the Muslims would say NO (Emphasis on the caps).

No there were a big Surge of muslim advance all the way through northern africa to Spain (Where they were stopped by Charles something or other). They also invaded and stole lands all the way up to Constantinople which (Gasp) was a religious city I believe. By the way that 'living' among them idea only happened later on after the land was taken. Nice try but you are argument barely makes any sense.

Do you remember when I said Jews are one of the Semitics tribes, and we talked about the anti-Semitics problem, whenever someone says the truth, the problem of Anti-Semitism arises, so we'll have to assume that Jews are all still Semites, not being gathered from everywhere. I was referring to the ancestors and descendants,other than collecting people from all over the world to add population, so that their population number would outnumber the Palestinians' population.
I would remind you, that in those days when Muslims were advancing all over the world, it was a given fact that conflicts were to erupt among nations, and they used to invade each other, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Barbarians etc....
If you were Christian, you must have read the Old testament, and know that Arabian tribes were living in Palestine, and all the lands around it, and the Jews, of different tribes,( Judaism being a religion), brought by Moses started fighting the Palestinians and other tribes in there.
I would like to add just one more thing, you must have read my 1st post and I Quote "look at the terrorism of the jews, who remembers the ATTACK on LIBERTY, who remembers SABRA & SHATELLAH" , I would like you to comment.