How to make a county disappear

[Gorthkrist]

How to make a country disappear: The Duchy of Cornwall (http://duchyofcornwall.eu/)

Well I don’t have the exact formula but if you study this website from the Duchy of Cornwall Human Rights Association you’ll be able to see exactly the constitutional loops the establishment and Duchy authority have jumped through to turn Cornwall, an extraterritorial crown possession legally separate from England, into a supposed English county.

This site explains how a British territorial possession became someone’s private estate.

It makes great and fairly easy reading and should be studied by all those interested in the UK constitution. For more details of the Duchy scam you can listen to the person behind the Duchy of Cornwall Human Rights Association, John Angarrack, in interview on BBC radio Cornwall talking about his new book here: MySpace.com - Graham Hart - UK - Rock / Pop - www.myspace.com/thecornwellian (http://www.myspace.com/thecornwellian)

[Gorthkrist]

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[Gorthkrist]

If you want to find out more then try the books on the Cornish question by John Angarrack : Books about Cornwall and England by John Angarrack (http://johnangarrack.co.uk/)

[Gorthkrist]

In the 19th century a dispute blew up between the Crown (UK government) and the Duchy of Cornwall (Cornish government) over the foreshore of Cornwall. At this time Cornwall was producing tin and a lot of the foreshore had mine shafts under it so you can imagine that a fair bit of money was at stake.
The dispute went to arbitration as there was no court in the land deemed high enough.
The Duchy was won and did so by effectively proving that all of Cornwall was the Duchy and that this was exterior to the crown i.e. Cornwall was outside England legally.
The Duchy provided reams of documents to support its case and even made mention of the territorial waters of Cornwall as a threat in case the Crown did not capitulate.
One key passage from the Duchies case is as follows:
That Cornwall, like Wales, was at the time of the Conquest, and was subsequently treated in many respects as distinct from England.
That it was held by the Earls of Cornwall with the rights and prerogative of a County Palatine, as far as regarded the Seignory or territorial dominion.
That the Dukes of Cornwall have from the creation of the Duchy enjoyed the rights and prerogatives of a County Palatine, as far as regarded seignory or territorial dominion, and that to a great extent by Earls.
That when the Earldom was augmented into a Duchy, the circumstances attending to it's creation, as well as the language of the Duchy Charter, not only support and confirm natural presumption, that the new and higher title was to be accompanied with at least as great dignity, power, and prerogative as the Earls enjoyed, but also afforded evidence that the Duchy was to be invested with still more extensive rights and privileges.
The Duchy Charters have always been construed and treated, not merely by the Courts of Judicature, but also by the Legislature of the Country, as having vested in the Dukes of Cornwall the whole territorial interest and dominion of the Crown in and over the entire County of Cornwall.
All of the above is explored in much greater detail on John Angarracks website as well as:
The Cornish Stannary Parliament: The Cornish Stannary Parliament (http://www.cornishstannaryparliament.co.uk/)
Tyr Gwyr Gweryn: Tyr-Gwyr-Gweryn (http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/)

[Gorthkrist]

The Cornish are a Celtic ethnic identity and historic nation of the southwest of Great Britain. We have our own lesser used Celtic language, sports, festivals, cuisine, music, dance, history all rapped up in a perception of ourselves as being other than English.

The PLASC ethnic data from the 2007 Cornish schools survey showed that 27% of children consider themselves to be Cornish rather than British or English. The results from the 2001 UK population census show over 37,000 people hold a Cornish identity instead of English or British. On this census, to claim to be Cornish, you had to deny being British, by crossing out the British option and then write ‘Cornish’ in the “other” box. This does not represent a mere clerical error or poorly thought through wording. This represents a denial of the right of the Cornish to describe themselves in terms of their identity. It might seem trite to complain about something that happened six years ago, but the 2001 census will remain relevant until the next one (in 2011). How many more people would have described themselves as Cornish if they did not have to deny being British or if there had been a Cornish tick box? How many people knew that writing 'Cornish' in the “other” box was an option? (This was extremely poorly publicised). How many ticked British but feel themselves to be Cornish British?
Over the last few years various Cornish groups and individuals have been campaigning for the Cornish to be recognised for protection under the Council of Europe’s framework convention for the protection of national minorities. Such recognition would be a powerful tool to ensure correct treatment and protection of the Cornish national minority and its culture. The Commission for Racial Equality in its shadow report on the FCPNM produced on the 30th of March this year advised the government that the treaty could be extended to protect Cornish culture and also raised concerns about the lack of legal equality for minorities in the UK. Recently the Council of Europe has also suggested that the FCPNM could be extended to include the Cornish.
Over the last 3 centuries Cornwall has gone from being on the leading edge of the industrial revolution to being one of the poorest regions of Europe receiving objective one funding from the EU as a result. In the October 2001 Business Age Magazine Kevin Cahill, an author and investigative journalist for the Sunday Times, wrote about the economy of Cornwall. In the Killing of Cornwall, he notes that the London Treasury extracts £1.95 billion in taxes out of Cornwall's GDP of £3.6 billion. The Treasury returns less than £1.65 billion, so there is a net loss to Cornwall of 300 million pounds, where the total earnings figure is 24% below the national average, is this some form of negative Barnet Formula? Low wages, unskilled Mac Jobs, poverty, social problems, and rocketing housing prices are the often hidden face of the optimistically named “English” Rivera. Coupled with this we have seen the centralisation of services, institutions and government (followed by the skilled jobs they entail) out of the Duchy much to the benefit of various undemocratic and faceless ‘South West of England’ quangos.
Cornwall Council's Feb 2003 MORI Poll showed 55% in favor of a democratically-elected, fully-devolved regional assembly for Cornwall, (this was an increase from 46% in favor in a 2002 poll). In 2000 The Cornish Constitutional Convention launched a campaign that resulted in a petition signed by 50,000 people calling for a fully devolved Cornish assembly. The campaign generated support from across the political spectrum in Cornwall and to date has been the largest expression of popular support for devolution in the whole of the United Kingdom.
This officially sanctioned silence on the existence of a Cornish identity must stop. Why will the government not ask the Office of National Statistics to include a Cornish tick box on the 2011 census? The 'Life in the United Kingdom' handbook, required reading for all who wish to immigrate to the UK, quotes the census heavily when describing the regions and ethnic diversity of the UK. Why are the Cornish not mentioned once? Why has UK government so far blocked all attempts at ensuring the Cornish are recognised under the FCPNM and ignored the advice of the CRE and COE?
Why has the government failed to give the people of Cornwall the democratic referendum on greater autonomy and a devolved assembly that they have shown a demand for?
In fact whenever Cornish campaigners have asked about the above decisions, even using the Freedom of information act, the government has dragged its feet, ignored requests and even refused to release information, why?!

[Gorthkrist]

If you want to hear Cornish being spoken then this site has regular broadcasts with music; Radyo an Gernewegva: Radyo an Gernewegva (http://www.radyo.kernewegva.com/)

[Gorthkrist]

If you’re interested here are two Cornish forums where you can discuss the issues I’ve rasied on this thread in much more detail.

Cornwall 24: Cornwall's Discussion Forum :: Cornwall 24 (http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum.htm)

This is NOT England: Discussing the future of Cornwall. :: Index (http://thisisnotengland.co.uk/forum/index.php)
Drop by and say hi.

[DanielJeffery]

Cornwall is as much a county of England as Hampshire and Dorset. Get over it.

[pauli007001]

Cornwall is as much a county of England as Hampshire and Dorset. Get over it.

Yet it has its own culture and customs,and language,Just like scotland and Wales!Yeah cornish free state,im right behind it!!!!
Next on the Agenda will be home rule for YORKSHIRE,the best ******* county int land bar non!We also have our own customs,culture and language!
Jesus did not visit ENGLAND as in the song Jerusalem,It was Cornwall he visited ,with his uncle Joseph(of aremethia)who was a metal trader.They were in cornwall to buy TIN!!!!God has blessed cornwall!
Will cornwall bless YORKSHIRE!!!!!!!!!:D

[Trouble43]

Yet it has its own culture and customs,and language,Just like scotland and Wales!Yeah cornish free state,im right behind it!!!!
Next on the Agenda will be home rule for YORKSHIRE,the best ******* county int land bar non!We also have our own customs,culture and language!
Jesus did not visit ENGLAND as in the song Jerusalem,It was Cornwall he visited ,with his uncle Joseph(of aremethia)who was a metal trader.They were in cornwall to buy TIN!!!!God has blessed cornwall!
Will cornwall bless YORKSHIRE!!!!!!!!!:D

At Glastonbury Cathedral, or whats left of it, there is a very old twisted little tree. It is supposed to be the staff of Joseph of Aramethia's. He planted it there in the dirt while he preached, the story goes his words were so inspiring that God smiled on the staff and it took root. Joseph left it as a reminder of God's power and there it has stayed ever since.:)

[Gorthkrist]

Here is a book review of John Angarracks Scat t'larrups Resist and Survive: Activist exposes political institutions (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Activist-produces-book-exposing-political-institutions/article-289479-detail/article.html?cacheBust=2zEIQkOY5XA3#addcomment)

[jobo]

cornish liberation front ?

im flabergasted that any one could waste there lives with this nonsence

[Gorthkrist]

cornish liberation front ?

im flabergasted that any one could waste there lives with this nonsence

Can I suggest jobo that your lack of comprehension comes from a total ignorance of the situation, a sad state often shared by the English.

Instead of producing childish stereotypes as above why not try to learn about the issue and then debate in an adult fashion.

Just an idea