Fascists Force Policeman to Resign over BNP Badge

[Trevortt]

The disgraceful fascists who run Britain’s police force have forced a 14 year veteran of the Greater Manchester Police to resign simply because he was seen wearing a BNP badge while off duty at a football match.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/fascism1.jpg
Stuart Janaway wore the BNP badge to a game at Old Trafford in September 2006, while he was off duty.

The fascists held a “misconduct hearing” last Friday after an investigation by the force’s Professional Standards Branch. As a result, police said Mr Janaway was “required to resign.”

Chief fascist, Acting Assistant Chief Constable Terry Sweeney, head of the Professional Standards Branch, disgraced his uniform by telling the press that “Item six of the Chief Constable’s Order of 2004…makes it clear that officers are banned from being members of the BNP.”

Somehow Sweeney ignored the fact that it is perfectly legal to be a police officer and a member of the Communist Party, or any Islamic group in Britain, even those who have definitively been linked to terrorist incidents.
It is also important to bear in mind that the police officer was not even a member of the BNP.

The institutional anti-white racism which permeates society is nowhere better illustrated with this incident, which also shows the utter fear in which the ruling elite live. For good reason as well: When the BNP comes to power, these traitors will be made to pay for their crimes.

Update: The “BNP badge” case stands in stark contrast to a Greater Manchester Muslim police officer, who, in 2004, was allowed to keep his job after fleeing the scene of a car crash and trying to stage a cover-up.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/tariq-mahmood.jpg (http://www.bnp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/tariq-mahmood.jpg)PC Tariq Mahmood, 30, was convicted in court after he left two women and a child injured. He later re-sprayed his car and tried to persuade his sister and girlfriend to say they had been driving.

Despite the obvious criminality of this act, Mahmood, who was based at Bootle Street, was only fined a week’s wages at an internal police disciplinary hearing and allowed to keep his job.

Mahmood, who joined Greater Manchester Police in 1994 as a special constable, was off duty when his red Alfa Romeo collided with a Peugeot 106 in Stamford Street East, Ashton under Lyne. Despite the fact that two women and a child in the other car needed hospital treatment for minor injuries, PC Mahmood drove off at high speed.

When he was caught he claimed he had not been thinking straight because he was traumatised by his mother’s murder in Pakistan in 1999.

PC Mahmood was fined £575 by magistrates and banned from driving for a year after he admitted failing to stop after an accident, failing to report an accident and driving without insurance.

But a GMP disciplinary panel of senior police officers decided that he could keep his job. They fined him five days’ pay - £425 - instead of the maximum 13 days.

One rule for British people, one rule for immigrants — that appears to be the law.

Source (http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/10/fascists-force-policeman-to-resign-over-bnp-badge/)

BBC Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7650105.stm)


I think its a disgrace that he has been forced out, simply for showing support for a 'Legal and legitimate' political party.

They even searched his house !!! Does that also mean that if you wear a labour or conservative badge whilst in the force, your house is going to get search, or is this simply because its the BNP he supports ?

Also lets forget that most if not all high ranking police offers and some run of the mill officers are members of the masons, an ultra right wing organisation, although this seems be over looked...!!!

It seems to me again, that we all have a right to an opinion... "As long as its the right one"

it's wrong what's happened, this country really is going down the drain. So unless I'm missing something he has basically been forced to resign for supporting a legal political party?

Its now time to scrap the black police assoiciation as a racist group? if this is the case ..

[Tantal]

So, in the U.K., the government (or at least any agency thereof) can determine which political parties an employee can or cannot belong to? I'd normally lecture ya'll on the "slippery slope", but nevermind. Seems ya'll have hit rock-bottom anyway.

[Opinionated74]

O what classic irony.
A Political party with deep fascist roots accusing others of "fascist tactics"!
That being said, I do wish we had legal protection of freedom-of-speech and association (much like America's first Amendment)!
Does anyone know anything about Item six of the Chief Constable’s Order of 2004, is it specifically just the BNP an officer is banned from being affiliated to? If so I should have thought Griffin's legal team could have this decision overturned by taking it to the European court!

[DougieG]

If that story about Tariq Mahmood is true and neutral (which it evidently isn't with regards to the latter), then it truly is bad that he did not lose his job. HOWEVER, had the same thing happened to a white person, none of the BNP would have kicked up a fuss at all.

With regards to a police officer belonging to the BNP, I don't particularly want racists or fascists manning my police stations thank you. What would that officer have done had an Asian boy been stabbed by a white man? And what would he have done had the races been reversed? Good riddance to racists in the force, thank you very much.

[Trevortt]

If that story about Tariq Mahmood is true and neutral (which it evidently isn't with regards to the latter), then it truly is bad that he did not lose his job. HOWEVER, had the same thing happened to a white person, none of the BNP would have kicked up a fuss at all.

With regards to a police officer belonging to the BNP, I don't particularly want racists or fascists manning my police stations thank you. What would that officer have done had an Asian boy been stabbed by a white man? And what would he have done had the races been reversed? Good riddance to racists in the force, thank you very much.

If you read the story he was NOT a part of thr BNP!!!

[DougieG]

If you read the story he was NOT a part of thr BNP!!!

Sorry, yes I did read it but forgot that particular part.

I don't have to be a member of the US Democrat party to support them. It doesn't mean I don't agree ith most of what they are currently saying. The fact is, racists and fascists (i.e., supporters of the BNP) should not be part of the police force. I think that both Mahmood and this BNP officer should have been fired. Nothing to do with race, they are evidently unpleasant people.

[Trevortt]

Sorry, yes I did read it but forgot that particular part.

I don't have to be a member of the US Democrat party to support them. It doesn't mean I don't agree ith most of what they are currently saying. The fact is, racists and fascists (i.e., supporters of the BNP) should not be part of the police force. I think that both Mahmood and this BNP officer should have been fired. Nothing to do with race, they are evidently unpleasant people.


Racists and Fascist, i love it! Show me proof of this, including links please!

[Opinionated74]

Racists and Fascist, i love it! Show me proof of this, including links please!

Trevortt are you denying that the BNP is a far-right political party? If so could you take some time to explain some of the BNPs policies, apart from their racist immigration policies (and if you think that "send them home" rhetoric isn't racist then kindly define it for me!).
No the BNP is the same single issue, holocaust denying, fascist party that grew out of the National Front! Ol' Oswald would be proud!

[Citizen Smith]

It is unfortunate that he has to be kicked out of the force for this, but when you think about it...... If he supports the BNP he is almost certainly going to discriminate against minorities and non-whites, which is not something you want in the police force.
And you can't use the word "Fascist"- its our catch word!!!!:D:D

[Trevortt]

It is unfortunate that he has to be kicked out of the force for this, but when you think about it...... If he supports the BNP he is almost certainly going to discriminate against minorities and non-whites, which is not something you want in the police force.
And you can't use the word "Fascist"- its our catch word!!!!:D:D

Don't you people read? he is not part of the BNP!

[DougieG]

Racists and Fascist, i love it! Show me proof of this, including links please!

Any BNP policy- take your pick!

[Trevortt]

Any BNP policy- take your pick!

These policies, but don't see anything racist or fascist...

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!
On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.
EUROPE - back to British independence!
We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!
The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.
ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!
We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!
We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!
We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.
TRANSPORT - time to invest!
Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.
ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!
Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!
The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.
NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!
Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.
DEFENCE - no more cuts!
Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first!
Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!
The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level.
Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.

[DougieG]

Don't you people read? he is not part of the BNP!

That's not the point. He's a supporter. If you'd actually paid attention before:

I don't have to be a member of the US Democrat party to support them. It doesn't mean I don't agree with most of what they are currently saying.

Non-membership of a party doesn't exclude you from supporting them.

[Trevortt]

That's not the point. He's a supporter. If you'd actually paid attention before:Non-membership of a party doesn't exclude you from supporting them.

The man was Discriminated against, Victimised, Villified, and unfairly Dismissed just because of his Political Beliefs!

[DougieG]

I'm not going to bother debating whether or not the BNP is a racist party. They basically believe that their race's concerns are more important than any other's, as exhibited in every one of the policies you've mentioned. This is the definition of racist. As for fascist, Nick Griffin was the editor of Nationalism Today magazine, and was the national organisor for the National Front, a publicly fascist organisation.

[Trevortt]

I'm not going to bother debating whether or not the BNP is a racist party. They basically believe that their race's concerns are more important than any other's, as exhibited in every one of the policies you've mentioned. This is the definition of racist. As for fascist, Nick Griffin was the editor of Nationalism Today magazine, and was the national organisor for the National Front, a publicly fascist organisation.

Been on the side of the British people is not in any way a racist or fascist! Every other country does this but as soon as the British do it, its deemed as racist and fascist, i am sick of hearing your nonsense, you are a fool!

Thankyou, Good Night!

[Citizen Smith]

The man was Discriminated against, Victimised, Villified, and unfairly Dismissed just because of his Political Beliefs!
They very reasonably predicted that his supporting a Racist party would lead to him making racist decisions while going about his police business.
This is not a thread for debating whether the BNP are racist or not.
And stop insulting people, and stop saying
"Thankyou and goodnight"
It doesn't improve your posts.

[Nicholas]

Sir ian blair can have the mets police cars race around london with new Labour slogans during election campaigns but be wary of your average beat coppers wearing a bnp badge. No wonder our police are seen as a politically correct joke.

[Trevortt]

They very reasonably predicted that his supporting a Racist party would lead to him making racist decisions while going about his police business.
This is not a thread for debating whether the BNP are racist or not.
And stop insulting people, and stop saying
"Thankyou and goodnight"
It doesn't improve your posts.

Who's the fascist now, you telling me what i can and cannot say, i will keep saying Thankyou Good Night, cos i can.

[DougieG]

Sir ian blair can have the mets police cars race around london with new Labour slogans during election campaigns but be wary of your average beat coppers wearing a bnp badge. No wonder our police are seen as a politically correct joke.

By whom? Certainly not by any credible newspaper. Not by me. Not by anyone I know. Not by my friend's father, who is the County Police Chief.

As for New Labour slogans, not massively bothered, since New Labour aren't planning to extradite anyone who isn't White British. Anyway, if *everyone* sees the Police as politically correct jokes, why would they pay any attention at all?

As for you, Trevor, he was not giving you an order in the way a fascist would give you an order, trust me ;).

[Opinionated74]

These policies, but don't see anything racist or fascist...

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!
On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.
EUROPE - back to British independence!
We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!
The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.
ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!
We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!
We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!
We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.
TRANSPORT - time to invest!
Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.
ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!
Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!
The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.
NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!
Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.
DEFENCE - no more cuts!
Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first!
Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!
The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level.
Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.

Hey look everyone! Their gonna make the trains run on time!:D

In what way pray tell, is this not fascist in content?Fascist manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto)

[GETUPTA SINGH]

By whom? Certainly not by any credible newspaper. Not by me. Not by anyone I know. Not by my friend's father, who is the County Police Chief.

As for New Labour slogans, not massively bothered, since New Labour aren't planning to extradite anyone who isn't White British. Anyway, if *everyone* sees the Police as politically correct jokes, why would they pay any attention at all?

As for you, Trevor, he was not giving you an order in the way a fascist would give you an order, trust me ;).


I wonder why the public are hardly bothered about reporting crime anymore? The figures for unreported crimes are pretty startling - from rape to theft.

[DougieG]

I wonder why the public are hardly bothered about reporting crime anymore? The figures for unreported crimes are pretty startling - from rape to theft.

I wonder why too. Wish I had the time to conduct a full sociological experiment...

[Trevortt]

I wonder why too. Wish I had the time to conduct a full sociological experiment...

I know, cos the police never do anything about it, ie you report a crime and the chances of them turning up is next to nil.

[13th November 1002]

Having read all of the below and weighing up what has been written without repeating any points made, I would only like to add one point.

If any White officer is being punished or excluded for being a member of a group that promotes interests exclusively to white people, then any Black officer that is a member of an organisation that promotes interests exclusively to Black people, (for example a Black police organisation), should receive the same punishment, thus ensuring their equality of status.

To do otherwise would invest further division between races within the organisation.

[pauli007001]

Hey look everyone! Their gonna make the trains run on time!:D

In what way pray tell, is this not fascist in content?Fascist manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto)

The fascist manefesto is a fascist manefesto,what has that got to do with BNP aims?
I dont see any reference to making trains run on time!
nb The reference to trains for any who do not know was relating to mussolinis claim that his biggest acheivment in power was that he made the trains run on time!I think opinionated is hoping people are so stupid as to believe this link is to the bnp page on wikki,that is how stupid she thinks we mere proles are!!!!!!However more unsubstantiated falsehoods and propeganda!!!

[pauli007001]

Having read all of the below and weighing up what has been written without repeating any points made, I would only like to add one point.

If any White officer is being punished or excluded for being a member of a group that promotes interests exclusively to white people, then any Black officer that is a member of an organisation that promotes interests exclusively to Black people, (for example a Black police organisation), should receive the same punishment, thus ensuring their equality of status.

To do otherwise would invest further division between races within the organisation.

tHAT MY FREIND IS THE IDEA!!!!Divide and conquer,since the earliest socialst movements that has been key.Napoleon for instance in battle used the Column to smash through the centre of an enemies line dividing his forces and through the divide utilised cavalry to attack them from behind.If the euro socialist movement can create divisions and social breakdown it will be easier for them to enforce their sinister goals.Racism is not a hate crime it is a tool of government to create fracture and social chaos(as we see today in the UK,France etc),without divisive laws and employment practises there would be firstly greater social harmony between the races and secondly a greater integration into the British culture by immigrants.

[13th November 1002]

I cannot disagree with what you have said.

Dark days lay ahead, economically, socially and politically.

[Opinionated74]

,that is how stupid she thinks we mere proles are!!!!!!

And yet I'm not the one who assumed anyone wouldn't know that my comment about the trains referred to Mussolini!
Your question is "what has (the fascist manifesto) got to do with the BNP aims". The answer is they are a fascist party!
What do you understand by the term prole? Because if it's how Marx defined it, "the proletariat is that class of society which does not have ownership of the means of production and whose only worth is their labor in exchange for a wage" (see Wikopedia), then I am part of it; as I don't consider myself to be especially stupid (although sometimes...), I wouldn't think that all people from a particular economic class were all stupid. In actual fact my assumption is that anyone posting in here would more than likely be more informed than most.
My comment about the trains was meant as nothing more than a flippant and sarcastic throw-away I had hoped would engage the BNP sympathisers into a discussion of whether their party was a "fascist party in a new suit". I am sorry if anyone felt patronised as a result.
Nobody seems to want to examine BNP policies in a philosophical context, so I give up with that line of debate.
more unsubstantiated falsehoods and propeganda!!!
If you want to look at the substantial evidence which backs up my opinion, then you can look at the thread Will the media admit the BNP has been right all along, although I notice so far no-one has tried to rebut my points, which I find interesting. I have nothing more to add.

[DougieG]

I know, cos the police never do anything about it, ie you report a crime and the chances of them turning up is next to nil.

How often has that happened to you? Or anyone you know? Or is it just in the Daily Mail? The Met have been excellent in my experience. One of my friends got thrown through a window on a night out by two chavs out to steal his bag, and three police cars were there with a paramedic to clean up his glass cuts within ten minutes. They knew that the attack was asian on white, yet somehow managed to get there quickly... Furthermore, there've been several car crashes outside my house and the police have been there extremely quickly. They arrived within five minutes when the post office over the road got held at gunpoint.

Give me evidence that this is a widespread problem rather than one or two isolated cases.

tHAT MY FREIND IS THE IDEA!!!!Divide and conquer,since the earliest socialst movements that has been key.Napoleon for instance in battle used the Column to smash through the centre of an enemies line dividing his forces and through the divide utilised cavalry to attack them from behind.And? For one, Napoleon was not a socialist and for the other, this is a false analogy. I believe in uniting the entire world together without any countries, but that doesn't mean that my tactics in a battle would involve my troops throwing down their weapons and holding hands...

If the euro socialist movement can create divisions and social breakdown it will be easier for them to enforce their sinister goals.

I'm a socialist (ish) and to my knowledge, I don't have any sinister goals :S. What might those goals be? Please explain, so I can distance myself from them :O.

Racism is not a hate crime it is a tool of government to create fracture and social chaos(as we see today in the UK,France etc),without divisive laws and employment practises there would be firstly greater social harmony between the races and secondly a greater integration into the British culture by immigrants.What?? The (nearly all-white) government has tried to reduce racism through misguided efforts such as political correctness and community officers. Even if it hasn't worked fully, it certainly doesn't mean they're *using* it. I find this quite offensive, in fact, as it implies a Hitler stlye government, where they try to use race. Furthermore, it is being suggested by someone who is quite evidently racist in the first place.

And what in God's name would a government WANT to promote disunity for? The BNP say that vast numbers of people in the UK should not be living here. How is that NOT promoting fracture and social chaos?

[Marxist Nutter]

So, in the U.K., the government (or at least any agency thereof) can determine which political parties an employee can or cannot belong to? I'd normally lecture ya'll on the "slippery slope", but nevermind. Seems ya'll have hit rock-bottom anyway.

Same as the USA, where u are now allowed to be a communist! USA started its own slippery slope with Salem then McCarthy and where the hell are you now??

[Trevortt]

How often has that happened to you? Or anyone you know? Or is it just in the Daily Mail?

Give me evidence that this is a widespread problem rather than one or two isolated cases.

Here's a brownie point for putting more words into my mouth.

Never did i say its a widespread problem. I said I HAVE EXPERIENCED LACK OF OR NO POLICE AT ALL WHEN REPORTING CRIMES!!!

[DougieG]

Here's a brownie point for putting more words into my mouth.

Never did i say its a widespread problem. I said I HAVE EXPERIENCED LACK OF OR NO POLICE AT ALL WHEN REPORTING CRIMES!!!

Then if it is not a widespread problem why are we discussing it?

Back on topic, MN is right Tantal. How can you condemn the UK discriminating against racists and fascists when in the USA people seen to get the same treatment for being a Communist? It's probably not on the same level, I don't know, but there still seems to be some prejudice? Not sure how correct this is.

[pauli007001]

How often has that happened to you? Or anyone you know? Or is it just in the Daily Mail? The Met have been excellent in my experience. One of my friends got thrown through a window on a night out by two chavs out to steal his bag, and three police cars were there with a paramedic to clean up his glass cuts within ten minutes. They knew that the attack was asian on white, yet somehow managed to get there quickly... Furthermore, there've been several car crashes outside my house and the police have been there extremely quickly. They arrived within five minutes when the post office over the road got held at gunpoint.

Give me evidence that this is a widespread problem rather than one or two isolated cases.

And? For one, Napoleon was not a socialist and for the other, this is a false analogy. I believe in uniting the entire world together without any countries, but that doesn't mean that my tactics in a battle would involve my troops throwing down their weapons and holding hands...



I'm a socialist (ish) and to my knowledge, I don't have any sinister goals :S. What might those goals be? Please explain, so I can distance myself from them :O.

What?? The (nearly all-white) government has tried to reduce racism through misguided efforts such as political correctness and community officers. Even if it hasn't worked fully, it certainly doesn't mean they're *using* it. I find this quite offensive, in fact, as it implies a Hitler stlye government, where they try to use race. Furthermore, it is being suggested by someone who is quite evidently racist in the first place.

And what in God's name would a government WANT to promote disunity for? The BNP say that vast numbers of people in the UK should not be living here. How is that NOT promoting fracture and social chaos?

Hitler style government(or stalin style,both were socialists with ideas to dominate europe,as did Napoleon who was actually according to his writings........a socialist)Now you are getting the picture.If they get all the european nationd to suffer high crime social and fiscal breakdown(look at the ECBs reaction to the current financial crisis,if the experts say it would be harmfull,that is what they do)they can move in and forcefully impose their brand of totalitarian socialist regime on us,that is why,and our govnt is in cahoots with the Euro fascists,dont doubt it,if not where is the referendum?
Why ask me about bnps statements,i know very little about the BNP.who are these vast number of people?Illegal immigrants,bogus asylum seekers? there aint that many of em,despite what you read in the Daily mail!!!!!

[DougieG]

Hitler style government(or stalin style,both were socialists with ideas to dominate europe,as did Napoleon who was actually according to his writings........a socialist)Now you are getting the picture.

Examine any of Hitler's policies and you will discover that he was not a Socialist in anything but name. He took over the party when it was 100 strong, and kept roughly the same name. At its founding it was, and still was when Hitler joined, a purely nationalist party. No credible scholars argue that the Nazis were anything other than a far-right fascist party- their plan for Germany was not socialist in nature. I suggest The Hitler Myth by Ian Kershaw if you feel you want to expand our knowledge a little.

If they get all the european nationd to suffer high crime social and fiscal breakdown(look at the ECBs reaction to the current financial crisis,if the experts say it would be harmfull,that is what they do)they can move in and forcefully impose their brand of totalitarian socialist regime on us,that is why,and our govnt is in cahoots with the Euro fascists,dont doubt it,if not where is the referendum?

You seem to be arguing that Socialism is always bad, simply because it is Socialism. Now I sure as hell don't think that all right wing policies are always bad - a lot of what they say makes sense - I only disagree with the fundamental aspects of it, such as the idea that people only make money by working hard, and those in poverty deserve to be so. With regards to nationalising the banks, which I assume is what you are talking about, any other course of action would cause the collapse of your treasured Capitalist system. I'm willing to sit back and watch it happen in theory, but in practice I don't want the whole world to suffer due to ideological stupidity...

Why ask me about bnps statements,i know very little about the BNP.who are these vast number of people?Illegal immigrants,bogus asylum seekers? there aint that many of em,despite what you read in the Daily mail!!!!!

I have nothing but contempt for the Daily Mail :P The rough figure is that 10% of the British population is non-white, since you asked. They are made up of a tiny minority whose families have been here for a hundred years or more, and then third, second and first generation immigrants (though to call someone a 'third generation immigrant' is quite ignorant in my view... they have quite evidently adapted to the country by then).

[Marxist Nutter]

Examine any of Hitler's policies and you will discover that he was not a Socialist in anything but name. He took over the party when it was 100 strong, and kept roughly the same name. At its founding it was, and still was when Hitler joined, a purely nationalist party. No credible scholars argue that the Nazis were anything other than a far-right fascist party- their plan for Germany was not socialist in nature. I suggest The Hitler Myth by Ian Kershaw if you feel you want to expand our knowledge a little.


You'll never convince Pauli of this.

Pauli you keep calling Hitler a socialist....WHY? I mean he had no socialist policies whatsoever. You never give a reason u just assert 'Hitler was socialist'. Is it because his party was called national socialist? Thus he was a socialist coz he said he was. Coz if you use that logic then the USSR was a democracy!! :p

[Trevortt]

You'll never convince Pauli of this.

Pauli you keep calling Hitler a socialist....WHY? I mean he had no socialist policies whatsoever. You never give a reason u just assert 'Hitler was socialist'. Is it because his party was called national socialist? Thus he was a socialist coz he said he was. Coz if you use that logic then the USSR was a democracy!! :p

1) Yes, Hitler's economics were socialist. If you look at the Nazi parties plan it is clear. Not only was his Programme socialist....
Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/ (http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/)

[Marxist Nutter]

1) Yes, Hitler's economics were socialist. If you look at the Nazi parties plan it is clear. Not only was his Programme socialist....
Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/ (http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/)

OK Trevor a bit confused coz u seem to have proved my point.

For a start Point 16 clearly goes against every form of socialism I know about.

Before the election he had change his mind about nationalization and fought an anti nationalization campaign against the KPD so that bit is just empty manifesto crap that the party publicly went back on during the election. I think you are quoting from an old source from around 1920 (will check this tho) as many of the points u raise above were changed before 1923 (certainly by 1933) and never formed part of the Nazi programme despite the fact you claim they are Nazi Polices. On top of all that there is not even any mention of the working class in anything that you quote??? What was your post meant to show except that even back in 1920 the Nazis were not left wing, they copied a little bit of lefty language early on I grant u. I am afraid at least 2 points (11 & 16) go completely against any definition of socialism ( point 14 is the only point above that is in any way left wing) anyway so thanks for proving once an for all that the Nazis were not a socialist party ! Problem is the rest of us all ready knew that anyway Trevor!!

The main point tho is Hitler cannot be a socialist as you simply cannot have such a thing as a national socialism that could still be recognised as socialist - it is like saying 'authoritarian democracy'.

Yes u can follow socialist policies at a national level but was clearly not what national socialism means here (see point 17 the seizing of land for national NOT working class interest). It was nation first, pro nationalism discourse, a bit (actually very like them) like the BNP in this respect. Now scholars largley agree that the single most important thing that defines a project as socialist or Marxist is an appeal to the international. Class before nation. 'working men of all countries untie' - Socialism is opposed to nationalism in a fundamental way. The Nazis were clearly a nationalist party and therefore it is nonsensical to define them as socialist. Hope this makes the point clear!

I mean Pauli, Trevor have you guys never wondered why every single book on the subject by experts in politics and history define Hitler as Fascist (There is a long debate we could go into about how fascism is very different to communism but this is a long and complex debate) and only whacky websites claim him to be socialist! The fact he was opposed by all socialist and communist parties in his own country and elsewhere....I mean does this not all seem a little weird if he was a 'socialist'...? Have either of you ever wondered about that?

No doubt according to you it is all part of PC lefty conspiracy to hide the truth.....

[Marxist Nutter]

P.S- did some checking and looked at the link u post Trevor and I was right it is circa 1920...Did u happen to notice this at the bottom of the page (of the link YOU POSTED)?????

On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler clarified section seventeen in the programme in order to stop political mischaracterizations [he he - MN]: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the programme of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property [this is at direct odds with all known socialist principles - MN], it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/ (http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/) (My emphasis)

I think I have now shown how you have comprehensively proved yourself wrong...Well done Trevor. I think Pauli must regret you 'defending him' on this point now! :p

Also a few points from the same website. It is worth Comparing these Nazi Polices to BNP Polices


5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.
6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.
7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.
8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

[pauli007001]

You'll never convince Pauli of this.

Pauli you keep calling Hitler a socialist....WHY? I mean he had no socialist policies whatsoever. You never give a reason u just assert 'Hitler was socialist'. Is it because his party was called national socialist? Thus he was a socialist coz he said he was. Coz if you use that logic then the USSR was a democracy!! :p

Socialised health care?
Welfare?
Dole?
food stamps?
Gun Controll?
Telling people what was good for them?
were not all of the above Nazi/socialist policies?
The Union of soviet SOCIALIST republics were no different than Nazi germany.Nu labour aspires toward the dizzy hights of socialism that these heros of socialism acheived!(Hitler and Stalin).What was the first law enacted by Hitler,it was also the first law enacted by Blair,no correlation between the Nazi socialists,the stalinists ,the blairists and the Marxists,all they have to offer is higher tax,lower freedoms and increased totalitarianism!!!!!!!

[pauli007001]

Examine any of Hitler's policies and you will discover that he was not a Socialist in anything but name. He took over the party when it was 100 strong, and kept roughly the same name. At its founding it was, and still was when Hitler joined, a purely nationalist party. No credible scholars argue that the Nazis were anything other than a far-right fascist party- their plan for Germany was not socialist in nature. I suggest The Hitler Myth by Ian Kershaw if you feel you want to expand our knowledge a little.



You seem to be arguing that Socialism is always bad, simply because it is Socialism. Now I sure as hell don't think that all right wing policies are always bad - a lot of what they say makes sense - I only disagree with the fundamental aspects of it, such as the idea that people only make money by working hard, and those in poverty deserve to be so. With regards to nationalising the banks, which I assume is what you are talking about, any other course of action would cause the collapse of your treasured Capitalist system. I'm willing to sit back and watch it happen in theory, but in practice I don't want the whole world to suffer due to ideological stupidity...



I have nothing but contempt for the Daily Mail :P The rough figure is that 10% of the British population is non-white, since you asked. They are made up of a tiny minority whose families have been here for a hundred years or more, and then third, second and first generation immigrants (though to call someone a 'third generation immigrant' is quite ignorant in my view... they have quite evidently adapted to the country by then).

Many many of his policies were socialist.Nationalisation of industries.
Restricting Civil rights.
National service.
Socialised medcine.
Gun controll.
Welfare.
Dole.
Mandating what people may think .feel or do and encouraging children to denounce their parents if they show any differing opinion to the states decisions,just like the EU/NUlab seem to be doing!

[Tantal]

Same as the USA, where u are now allowed to be a communist! USA started its own slippery slope with Salem then McCarthy and where the hell are you now??The Salem Witch Trials, although a travesty, were well over 300 years ago (whilst we were still British colonies I might add). Also, anyone who ever suggested that it was illegal to be a communist in the U.S. fed you faulty information. For the love of Pete, one of them even got the Dim-o-Crap Party's presidential nomination.

[Marxist Nutter]

Socialised health care?
Welfare?
Dole?
food stamps?
Gun Controll?
Telling people what was good for them?
were not all of the above Nazi/socialist policies?
The Union of soviet SOCIALIST republics were no different than Nazi germany.Nu labour aspires toward the dizzy hights of socialism that these heros of socialism acheived!(Hitler and Stalin).What was the first law enacted by Hitler,it was also the first law enacted by Blair,no correlation between the Nazi socialists,the stalinists ,the blairists and the Marxists,all they have to offer is higher tax,lower freedoms and increased totalitarianism!!!!!!!

Sorry Pauli please re read my other posts below where I comprehensively argue why Hitler cannot be seen as a socialist in any definition of the term. I am not sure u know what socialism is, to be honest.

In answer to your question all the above have been policies of British governments - Labour and Tory...Is Britain a Fascist state??? Well that's debatable. But u list polices that have been suggested by parties both extreme and moderate all over the world. They are not very good examples as they pretty much make everyone a socialist/fascist (in your thinking) expect radical neo-liberals.