Lets have a look at the BNP shall we?

[Dr The Evidence]

I recently jumped in on a debate in progress on these boards and disagreed with the post by Getupta Singh (see what he did there?) who said that the BNP were the only party who stand up the British citizen. I said they were a party full of racists. Because I refused to lay the blame over the troubles in this country at the door of one particular group, I was told I must be an immigrant too. Thats a sensible stance, if you don't hate immigrants then you must be one. Very enlightened.

Anyway, he said I should read the BNP manifesto. All my concerns would be put to rest. So I did. And my concerns remain. I'll share some of their policies shall I? (Everything here is quoted from the BNP website.)

On asylum seekers:

<<We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.>>

Oh. That seems fair enough. I like the fact it says "all of whom". Imagine if that was written on Wikipedia, you would need a citation to back that up. But I guess the BNP are above that kind of thing.

On the economy:
<<We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens.>>

<<We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons.>>

So, its not the act of discimination which they disagree with, rather the fact that the wrong sort of people are being discriminated against. Nice to clear that one up.

On foreign affairs:

<<We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO>>

Withdraw from NATO huh? Interesting...

<<Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests>>

So North Korea are off the hook then. Zimbabwe, fine. Carry on killing your own civilians. Forget the fact that, rightly or wrongly, Britain has been at the forefront of the promotion of human rights on the world stage for years now. If they're not threatening us directly, **** em. Let them get on with it.

I read the whole document. Its on their website. Despite the typical rable-rousing stuff, bringing back the death penalty, and national service, some of their ideas are NOT THAT BAD. I know, I was surprised. They call for greater investment in public transport, care for the elderly, and more local government control. That stuff's okay. They talk about environmental issues too. The problem is, these initiatives are expressed in much more vague terms than the immigration ones. And its the immigration initiatives, and the public perception of this party which garner all the headlines. I'll finish with the headline from their newsletter, titled Freedom -

<<People just like you, This is the real BNP>>

That quote to me sums it up. The BNP are not for diversity. They want everything to stay the same. Not the way it is. The way it was. I have friends who are Muslim, who are black, who are white British. Each have different views, culture and customs. I like that diversity, I celebrate it. But then again, I'm not a member of the BNP.

In summary then, I see know reason to change my views on the party as a whole. They are still inherently racist. Its more between the lines than perhaps in the 80s. But its still there.

Let the games begin.

[Opinionated74]

At the risk of being ticked off for spamming; the BNP is a single issue, racist, holocaust denying fascist party.

Despite the typical rable-rousing stuff, bringing back the death penalty, and national service, some of their ideas are NOT THAT BAD. I know, I was surprised. They call for greater investment in public transport, care for the elderly, and more local government control. That stuff's okay. They talk about environmental issues too. The problem is, these initiatives are expressed in much more vague terms than the immigration ones.

Do not be fooled by this seemingly moderate, progressive rhetoric which looks good on paper. Fascist movements have a history of riding to power on pro-democratic, social reforming platforms, which they then discard.
Fascist manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto).
If questioned further regarding the greater investment platform, you will discover it boils down to "British resources for British people".

All BNP members have an absolute right to believe whatever they like, and to organise a political movement if they so desire, I fully believe that, no matter how distasteful I may find it! However, they are ashamed of themselves, otherwise why try to hide what you really are?

ohh, I only just got the "Getupta Singh" thing :o

[Nicholas]

I recently jumped in on a debate in progress on these boards and disagreed with the post by Getupta Singh (see what he did there?) who said that the BNP were the only party who stand up the British citizen. I said they were a party full of racists. Because I refused to lay the blame over the troubles in this country at the door of one particular group, I was told I must be an immigrant too. Thats a sensible stance, if you don't hate immigrants then you must be one. Very enlightened.

Anyway, he said I should read the BNP manifesto. All my concerns would be put to rest. So I did. And my concerns remain. I'll share some of their policies shall I? (Everything here is quoted from the BNP website.)

On asylum seekers:

<<We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.>>

Oh. That seems fair enough. I like the fact it says "all of whom". Imagine if that was written on Wikipedia, you would need a citation to back that up. But I guess the BNP are above that kind of thing.

On the economy:
<<We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens.>>

<<We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons.>>

So, its not the act of discimination which they disagree with, rather the fact that the wrong sort of people are being discriminated against. Nice to clear that one up.

On foreign affairs:

<<We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO>>

Withdraw from NATO huh? Interesting...

<<Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests>>

So North Korea are off the hook then. Zimbabwe, fine. Carry on killing your own civilians. Forget the fact that, rightly or wrongly, Britain has been at the forefront of the promotion of human rights on the world stage for years now. If they're not threatening us directly, **** em. Let them get on with it.

I read the whole document. Its on their website. Despite the typical rable-rousing stuff, bringing back the death penalty, and national service, some of their ideas are NOT THAT BAD. I know, I was surprised. They call for greater investment in public transport, care for the elderly, and more local government control. That stuff's okay. They talk about environmental issues too. The problem is, these initiatives are expressed in much more vague terms than the immigration ones. And its the immigration initiatives, and the public perception of this party which garner all the headlines. I'll finish with the headline from their newsletter, titled Freedom -

<<People just like you, This is the real BNP>>

That quote to me sums it up. The BNP are not for diversity. They want everything to stay the same. Not the way it is. The way it was. I have friends who are Muslim, who are black, who are white British. Each have different views, culture and customs. I like that diversity, I celebrate it. But then again, I'm not a member of the BNP.

In summary then, I see know reason to change my views on the party as a whole. They are still inherently racist. Its more between the lines than perhaps in the 80s. But its still there.

Let the games begin.


I wonnder how many of these ' asylum seekers' have come through many safe countries to Soft touch Britain? Why do they seem to want to flock here?

The BNP are a Nationalist organisation. Not liberals, conservatives or communists therefore they would put the rights of who they see as their OWN people first. (not the empty promises of 'British jobs for British workers' garbage from labour)If you look at the quotas placed on ethnic minority officers in the police or the gay and lesbian quotas or even pick up a copy of the job section of the guardian it isnt rocket science to realise the native white heterosexual male is slowly drifting to the bottom of the pile. This imbalance needs addressing.

Yes you're right. The British national party would NOT enter into wars that are not in our national interest. Is it in Britains national interest to be the worlds policeman?

Now you realise we are not a single issue party after reading our manifesto. WELL DONE!

Multiculturalism brought us such delights as diverse as the yardies and suicide bombers. Let the enrichment contiunue..........

[Dr The Evidence]

<<If you look at the quotas placed on ethnic minority officers in the police or the gay and lesbian quotas>>

Are you seriously suggesting there are gay and lesbian quotas in the police force? Is that what you just said? Maybe you are misunderstanding the term "bent copper"?

<<The British national party would NOT enter into wars that are not in our national interest>>

Thats fine. I agree, to a certain extent. Who are we to be world's police force? But the manifesto states the word "quarel", not war. That implies to me a withdrawl from the world stage when it comes to placing pressure on oppresive governments. In effect, a policy of leave them to it, its not our problem.

To the BNP, we are this little Island in the world and we should look after our own. If the BNP ever got into power, I would like to know how they would define their OWN people. Who are they? Do you simply have to be born here? Or your parents, or their parents? What happens if a white Briton marries an immigrant, is that okay? What about letting Britons emmigrate abroad, is that allowed?

We live in an increasingly global society. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either naive or deluded. You cannot stop people moving throughout the world. Its an unstoppable force, and you have two choices, work towards a more cohesive, integrated society, or take the BNP route that anyone not born here is inherently untrustworthy or dangerous.

<<Multiculturalism brought us such delights as diverse as the yardies and suicide bombers>>

It also bought us reggae music, indian and chinese foods, advances in technology, healthcare, it brings in doctors, nurses, scientists. It brings money into our economy. These are just off the top of my head. I could go on. But I won't. Because thats the thing about racism, (and whatever they say, the majority of BNP members are racist) it cannot be reasoned with.

[pauli007001]

<<If you look at the quotas placed on ethnic minority officers in the police or the gay and lesbian quotas>>

Are you seriously suggesting there are gay and lesbian quotas in the police force? Is that what you just said? Maybe you are misunderstanding the term "bent copper"?

<<The British national party would NOT enter into wars that are not in our national interest>>

Thats fine. I agree, to a certain extent. Who are we to be world's police force? But the manifesto states the word "quarel", not war. That implies to me a withdrawl from the world stage when it comes to placing pressure on oppresive governments. In effect, a policy of leave them to it, its not our problem.

To the BNP, we are this little Island in the world and we should look after our own. If the BNP ever got into power, I would like to know how they would define their OWN people. Who are they? Do you simply have to be born here? Or your parents, or their parents? What happens if a white Briton marries an immigrant, is that okay? What about letting Britons emmigrate abroad, is that allowed?

We live in an increasingly global society. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either naive or deluded. You cannot stop people moving throughout the world. Its an unstoppable force, and you have two choices, work towards a more cohesive, integrated society, or take the BNP route that anyone not born here is inherently untrustworthy or dangerous.

<<Multiculturalism brought us such delights as diverse as the yardies and suicide bombers>>

It also bought us reggae music, indian and chinese foods, advances in technology, healthcare, it brings in doctors, nurses, scientists. It brings money into our economy. These are just off the top of my head. I could go on. But I won't. Because thats the thing about racism, (and whatever they say, the majority of BNP members are racist) it cannot be reasoned with.

Are you saying that whites are not smart enough to become tecnologically advanced,or do not deserve to oppurtunity to study for a healthcare career(actually many do but feel the backward and retarded NHS system dont pay enough,and they become jaded and burned out after a couple of years providing rationed care to patients)?Immigration on balance according to which govnt reports you read one says it costs another says it adds i think there is no difference to the economy brought by immigration.Uncontrolled immigration is not a good thing in my mind,nor is this insistance on multiculturalism.If one moves to a new country for a better life that is fine,however when you arrive at the new country that offers better education,job oppurtunities etc accept that it is exactly that culture that you try to change that has made that country a place in which you can enjoy better education etc etc blah blah,i keep repeating this and usually get a torrent of abuse and get called BNP nazi racist etc,this couldnt be further from the truth,immigrants should make the effort to intergrate,and pay for any expensed that intergration may require,if they dont want to,well dont and go back to your home and follow your culture there,it obviously suits you better than the disagreeable culture of Britain!
It would be a point to note that Britain is a tiny overcrowded place Africa and the indian sub continent are HUGE sparsely populated places,you cannot possibly fir india and africa into a tiny place like the UK.

The Global society has done wonders for the world,look at the global economy today fabulous wonderfull a roaring sucess,dont change anything globalisation and multiculturalism have worked wonders for all,ohhhh utopia.

[Marxist Nutter]

Let's not look at the BNP coz they are bit of a pointless party after all :p...They don't matter a jot unless we introduce PR (which to be honest I am in favour of) but only then would it even be necessary to discuss the BNP and how their polices make no sense and are based on a mix of ignorance and misinformation. Until we get PR the whole debate is pointless...Thank goodness ;)

[Spartacus]

Anyway, he said I should read the BNP manifesto. All my concerns would be put to rest. So I did. And my concerns remain. I'll share some of their policies shall I? (Everything here is quoted from the BNP website.)

Firstly Dr The Evidence we should point out that a manifesto is in no way legally binding and as such is nothing more than a populist wish list leading to societal bliss :D
The BNP has much cleverer people behind it these days , who may be funded by the very people who are enjoying the financial benefits of an intensely competitive labour market IE migrant labour ( immigrants ) whilst at the same time using racial/ethnic/religious differences to divide that labour force and thus deprive it of any power to challange the status quo.

They have fooled many of late which is a sad reflection on our " education system " that cultivates conformity to the system not the promotion of independent critical analysis. Anyway........

On asylum seekers:

<<We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.>>


I agree citation required.


On the economy:
<<We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens.>>

Once again the disenfranchised " british citizen " is a real concern for a political party. Hogwash , the vast majority of British people have been disenfranchised second-class citizens since they started to keep records.
Are we to believe that this British everpresent second class citizenry will be given its dignity by the BNP ?............ I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the answer.
I don't like discrimination of any kind.... but then again I am not a fan of capitalist labour markets either............... they are discriminatory by definition , imo.


On foreign affairs:

<<We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO>>

Withdraw from NATO huh? Interesting...

Well " our troops " aren't killing anyone ( or being killed thenselves) in Germany at present so we could perhaps consider bringing them back from Afghanistan and Iraq instead.

The Americans would never allow us to withdraw from NATO unless it was to morph into some other new organisation of US/British alliance........ something like the Twosome Intimidating Terrorism Structure maybe

<<Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests>>

See this is where it gets interesting............. the " national interest " is really the interests of the rich and powerful British ruling classes. Our " dislike of other nations " or not is almost solely manipulated by those same people............ as Chomsky puts it........" the manufacture of consent "

The rise of Islamophobia is in direct response to the quest for our manufactured consent to support the western robbery of Islamic assets in Afghanistan , Iraq , Iran?
Their resistance to this robbery is just so we will have to invent a monster to scare us all into supporting the wrong side. We intervene , not to the benefit of western oil interests , but to protect ourselves from the growth of the monster.
The ferocity of the Big Red Bear was overplayed during the cold war and the interventions were likewise masked by the claim of proactive monster slaying actions.


I read the whole document. Its on their website. Despite the typical rable-rousing stuff, bringing back the death penalty, and national service, some of their ideas are NOT THAT BAD. I know, I was surprised. They call for greater investment in public transport, care for the elderly, and more local government control. That stuff's okay. They talk about environmental issues too. The problem is, these initiatives are expressed in much more vague terms than the immigration ones. And its the immigration initiatives, and the public perception of this party which garner all the headlines. I'll finish with the headline from their newsletter, titled Freedom -

It is all populist stuff that will absorb any populist idea ( no matter from what traditional political inclination ) and blend it it into the framework of the party.
They are to politics what the Sunday Sport is to the working classes. Trivial titilation.

<<People just like you, This is the real BNP>>

Not me mate............... and I'm working class............ not stupid. ;)

That quote to me sums it up. The BNP are not for diversity. They want everything to stay the same. Not the way it is. The way it was. I have friends who are Muslim, who are black, who are white British. Each have different views, culture and customs. I like that diversity, I celebrate it. But then again, I'm not a member of the BNP.

I like diversity too .................. and I'm not a member of the BNP and not likely to be either. We don't need to be racists to look after the elderly...........just civilized

In summary then, I see know reason to change my views on the party as a whole. They are still inherently racist. Its more between the lines than perhaps in the 80s. But its still there.

Let the games begin.

I think they are a business supported vent party for the dissatisfied working classes. A red herring deceiving many people who are looking for a movement to support but lack any real choice in the political mainstream.

Such is the sad state of British political culture.

[Nicholas]

Spartacus , The BNP are only funded by small donors , you can check this through the freedom of information act. the BNP submit accounts with the electoral commision every year. Every single political party is a vent for peoples political persuasions and views , the BNP are no different. It isnt sad its just a fact of politics.

[Dr The Evidence]

<<The Americans would never allow us to withdraw from NATO unless it was to morph into some other new organisation of US/British alliance........ something like the Twosome Intimidating Terrorism Structure maybe>>

Very good. I like it. Maybe the Tyrannical War Against Terrorists Society could be used as well.

[Spartacus]

Spartacus , The BNP are only funded by small donors , you can check this through the freedom of information act. the BNP submit accounts with the electoral commision every year. Every single political party is a vent for peoples political persuasions and views , the BNP are no different. It isnt sad its just a fact of politics.

Hello Nicholas,
As far as I know all political parties in Britain have to submit records of funding to the electoral commision every year .

" Small donors " could be genuine nationalist/conservatives or they could be business people , who are employing migrant labour and enjoying higher profits as a result , and who recognize the value of a credible right wing vent party in that continuing prosperity. Thus the migrant worker is installed as the scapegoat and his employer is spared the rightful indignation of the disenfranchised white british working class to whom the BNP are aimed at recruiting.
Leading them down a blind alley , imho.

I would like to ask you a question.

Who do you think benefits most from the exploitation of migrant workers ( cheaper labour ) in Britain ?

In times of high immigration of foreign labour the natives are easily driven ( duped ) into voting right wing. Scapegoating immigrants is as old as migration itself and that is what , imo , the BNP is about.

The huge rise of immigrant labour into Britain , since the fall of the Soviet system , needed a credible right wing party to act as a safety valve , a vent , and the old BNP had no credibility outside of racist circles.

That party was wholly inadequate for that role and so they were reinvented with the sponsorship ( investment ) from the private sector , imo , which is the primary beneficiary of cheap imported labour.

That's my take on the BNP anyway.

In a " free " society it takes a whole lot more effort to coerce people to act/vote against their own interests but the BNP is proof that it is possible and the effort was made , imo.

[pauli007001]

<<The Americans would never allow us to withdraw from NATO unless it was to morph into some other new organisation of US/British alliance........ something like the Twosome Intimidating Terrorism Structure maybe>>

Very good. I like it. Maybe the Tyrannical War Against Terrorists Society could be used as well.

interesting how you choose to not respond to my reply to your last post.I guess you are in total agreement with me!!!