Welcome to Saudi Britain

[Trevortt]

If you are a British citizen or a resident please sign this petition against sharia law being used in Britain:

Petition to: Stop Sharia Law from being binding in law under arbitration tribunals rules. | Number10.gov.uk (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/shariastop/)

The original video was removed by YouTube cos it offended Muslims but thankfully, YouTube listened to the people and put it back up.

Here's the response to the removal of the video (http://patcondell.net/).

Video (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2-Wun2dIg)

[DougieG]

I object specifically because of the religious element. Though our own system is based on Christianity, it has evolved to move away from the religious element. All religions are terrible things, Christianity included, and any law that is based solely upon blind faith rather than reason is a bad thing. The slippery slope cannot be applied here, but if a single woman is forced into an abusive marriage through Sharia courts, they are a terrible blight upon the Western world.

Enjoy it, Trevor, I don't think I'll ever agree with you so strongly again :p

[Leviathon]

If you are a British citizen or a resident please sign this petition against sharia law being used in Britain:

Petition to: Stop Sharia Law from being binding in law under arbitration tribunals rules. | Number10.gov.uk (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/shariastop/)

The original video was removed by YouTube cos it offended Muslims but thankfully, YouTube listened to the people and put it back up.

Here's the response to the removal of the video (http://patcondell.net/).

Video (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2-Wun2dIg)

This is to you Dougie as much as Trevor. The times when Sharia law can be used will be when both parties agree and only in civil cases. The law will also have to be in agreement with British and as I understand it both parties can decide to go to normal British courts even after previously agreeing (though I admit you may want to double check that is ture). So, where is the issue?

[DougieG]

This is to you Dougie as much as Trevor. The times when Sharia law can be used will be when both parties agree and only in civil cases. The law will also have to be in agreement with British and as I understand it both parties can decide to go to normal British courts even after previously agreeing (though I admit you may want to double check that is ture). So, where is the issue?

For me, the issue lies in how open the Sharia Courts will be to abuse. For any woman who has been raised to wear the burqa, the choice to go to a Sharia Court for, say, a divorce settlement, would be natural. But in the case of Sharia law, the court would rule that either she cannot get a divorce, even in an abusive relationship, or that she gets nothing even if they do get divorced. She CAN go to another court, but such is familial pressure that she is effectively prevented from doing so. Our legal system is currently perfectly adequate to deal with cases in a way that is acceptable to the enormous majority of the population, and just as I would not expect (however much I think I should) to be allowed to follow British law in Saudi Arabia, so I do not expect people living here to follow a different law.

I do know that everyone is technically bound by the same law, even when cases are decided in Sharia Courts, but morally I think that any religion based on faith rather than innate human morality is destined to be bigoted. True, the courts cannot chop someone's hand off like in a strong Islamic country, but ultimately if Sharia Courts are to follow UK law anyway, why have them at all?

[savetheburgers]

Any legal system where a rape charge can only be brought if there are four male witnesses should not be used anywhere.

[pauli007001]

For me, the issue lies in how open the Sharia Courts will be to abuse. For any woman who has been raised to wear the burqa, the choice to go to a Sharia Court for, say, a divorce settlement, would be natural. But in the case of Sharia law, the court would rule that either she cannot get a divorce, even in an abusive relationship, or that she gets nothing even if they do get divorced. She CAN go to another court, but such is familial pressure that she is effectively prevented from doing so. Our legal system is currently perfectly adequate to deal with cases in a way that is acceptable to the enormous majority of the population, and just as I would not expect (however much I think I should) to be allowed to follow British law in Saudi Arabia, so I do not expect people living here to follow a different law.

I do know that everyone is technically bound by the same law, even when cases are decided in Sharia Courts, but morally I think that any religion based on faith rather than innate human morality is destined to be bigoted. True, the courts cannot chop someone's hand off like in a strong Islamic country, but ultimately if Sharia Courts are to follow UK law anyway, why have them at all?





Look up from this post and see the most sensible post on this issue i have ever seen!!!!!Dougie G you have put it in the same words i have used many many times,it just sounds smarter coming from you!!!!!!!!!

[DougieG]

Look up from this post and see the most sensible post on this issue i have ever seen!!!!!Dougie G you have put it in the same words i have used many many times,it just sounds smarter coming from you!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Pauli. It feels strange to be agreeing with you :-P. Just remember that I would react in exactly the same way if ANY sort of religious law were to be implemented, Christian, Hindu, whatever. Our UK law has moved away from its biblical routes into humanism, and that is exactly the route that it should be taking to be able to reach a middle ground between people of all faiths.

You could write a post just as intelligible if you didn't use so many exclamation marks ;)

EDIT: Who thinks that one picture per post is not always enough?