Peace,Peace,Peace!

[veerar]

In this present day complex world,"PEACE" is a dirty word.Everywhere,right from Business,it is WAR.People are trained to be competitive,in Sports(which is also serious business for those involved),Profession,Studies etc right from childhood.Winners receive adulations.This obsession with winning at all costs,has to be stopped,if we are to achieve Peace,which is essential for mankind,present and future.For this we should stop,this emphasise on "WINNING".If we are able to PSYCHE children with the advantages of PEACE,apart from some pathological cases,we stand a good chance of ingraining this desire among children OF ALL ANTIONS,which is essential for this plan to succeed
Modern day wars have shown that,unless one uses the nukes,the difference in strength between the contestants is nil.And responsible powers refuse to use the nukes,even under extreme provocation.So peace is better than war.even for the Superpowers.
Arms industry should be done away with,after meeting the host nations' egitimate needs to defend themselves.The tactic of selling ams to say,India and Pakistan simultaneously, should be stopped.That is arms race in any region on earth should be stopped.There are many industries to make money,arms industry is not the only one.
Corporates should behave responsibly,in influencing their Governments' policy decisions.There is a general feeling in some quarters,that the Corporates are used by Governments to increase their spheres of influence and used in spying and propaganda purposes.
The mistrust among nations,especially neighbours, have to be removed,somehow.
Religion should not have any say in the activities of Governments.Towards this end,the Statehood of the Vatican should be scrapped.Vatican is suspected to be one of the mischief makers in spreading hatred for other faiths(in whom also I do not have any faith).
These are all idealistic dreams,but one has to make a beginning.These are only some of the areas which should be given importance and attention.
If these are made the basic aims of nations in particular and mankind in general,I feel,we stand a good chance of attaining peace,if not an everlasting one(which is desirable).AFTER ALL,PEACE IS PREFERABLE TO AND BETTER THAN WAR
http://www.isis-online.org/about/about.html
Will the U N work on these lines?
Will the U N receive the support of the important nations of the world?

[divinepoet]

Thanks Veerar.Let us stop here for a while and whisper peace for us and for our future.Winning war business sports exam is not our business.we need peace for us and for our future.
Forget UN.It is club of speech makers.It is for the strongs.It is for the nuke masters.

[divinepoet]

Dear Veerar, may I suggest a small amendment for the title? How do you feel if it is like this "SPREAD WINGS OF PEACE"

[veerar]

Dear Veerar, may I suggest a small amendment for the title? How do you feel if it is like this "SPREAD WINGS OF PEACE"
Indeed,it would be wonderful! Why don't you write a poem on this theme,in/for this forum?

[Bart Fishermans]

Thanks Veerar.Let us stop here for a while and whisper peace for us and for our future.Winning war business sports exam is not our business.we need peace for us and for our future.
Forget UN.It is club of speech makers.It is for the strongs.It is for the nuke masters.
dvpt. I'd like to see one of your peace poems please. I'll post up some of my peace paintings ,one at a time. I have anti war paintings as well but I'll just post my peace paintings for now.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8030/peacce8gy.jpg

[divinepoet]

Read my poem
When you are lonely
On a war street of Bagdad
Look around you
A soothing breeze will cover you
And you will see a dead poet rising
To heal your wound.
Recite my poem
Whereever you are
Whatever is the time
My poem will take you
To your dream home unseen
You will live there in PEACE.

Copyright By Ershad Mazumder

[veerar]

Read my poem
When you are lonely
On a war street of Bagdad
Look around you
A soothing breeze will cover you
And you will see a dead poet rising
To heal your wound.
Recite my poem
Whereever you are
Whatever is the time
My poem will take you
To your dream home unseen
You will live there in PEACE.

Copyright By Ershad Mazumder
This is a very nice little, poem.Thanks,divinepoet!

[Mogadon]

Everywhere,right from Business,it is WAR.People are trained to be competitive,in Sports(which is also serious business for those involved),Profession,Studies etc right from childhood.Winners receive adulations.This obsession with winning at all costs,has to be stopped,if we are to achieve Peace,which is essential for mankind,present and future.For this we should stop,this emphasise on "WINNING".


I totally agree with you. The powers that be would want us all at each others throats, being more competitive, and showing off our designer products which we buy from them.

On the other hand, initiatives like the Ansari X-prize shows that this evil can tamed and used to advance knowledge using friendly competition, for the right purposes.

[divinepoet]

Dear Veerar, If you are happy,I am happy.Let me die for peace and happiness of you all. I am not a messia or messanger of GOD. I am soul live in the eternity.
Gaze on the sky
When it is midnight
You will see me
Among the stars
Smile for a second
You will see stars are smiling.

[veerar]

Dear Veerar, If you are happy,I am happy.Let me die for peace and happiness of you all. I am not a messia or messanger of GOD. I am soul live in the eternity.
Gaze on the sky
When it is midnight
You will see me
Among the stars
Smile for a second
You will see stars are smiling.
Another nice one,dear divinepoet.Your poems are getting better.Thanks.

[WESTERN RANGER]

Speaking of messengers of GOD old bearded tit Osama bin Laden,is educating us
again with another "RIDDLERS RANT" why can't the PIG just say whats on his mind instead all this shit.Lion of Iraq ha ha ha a "DEAD ONE"at least.How this
bearded GISSY can praise al Zarqawi what more need you say.Cavemen like him
are a bit rough around the edges aren't they.!!!!! MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,tell that to Musab next time you see him,even though he will be shagging one of 72 virgins allah sent him,i wonder if these virgins are SHIA or SUNNI Musab is
particular about these things thats all.Lets face it the pig sucker killed plenty
Shea didn't he,seems they just can't get along.AH WELL back to the virgins.

[Baz91]

Veerar and Divine Poet, I think you're going off the plot-this forum is for politics, not for pathetic peace poems.

[Bart Fishermans]

Veerar and Divine Poet, I think you're going off the plot-this forum is for politics, not for pathetic peace poems.
Baz, no , divinepoet is right on target because I asked Steve the administrator for this sub forum so he can put up his peace poems and .....somewhere I can add my peace paintings.
This one is called 'Peace Offering'.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5213/peaceoffering4qr.jpg
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[Baz91]

Baz, no , divinepoet is right on target because I asked Steve the administrator for this sub forum so he can put up his peace poems and .....somewhere I can add my peace paintings.
This one is called 'Peace Offering'.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5213/peaceoffering4qr.jpg
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Ok, sorry.
it's just this is under "The War on Terror", and doesn't seem a befitting place for your literature.

[Bart Fishermans]

Ok, sorry.
it's just this is under "The War on Terror", and doesn't seem a befitting place for your literature.
That's OK, I know, but it was the only place to squeeze in a sub forum on peace.

[divinepoet]

Hi Buz,thanks a lot for your feeling and opinion.Me and Veerar requesting all of our friends on this forum to grant us a small breathing space for PEACE.
I find veerar,s painting excellant.I am inspired.Let there be Peace Painting Program(PPP).
LET THERE BE LIGHT IN ALL SOULS.

[Baz91]

Hi Buz,thanks a lot for your feeling and opinion.Me and Veerar requesting all of our friends on this forum to grant us a small breathing space for PEACE.
I find veerar,s painting excellant.I am inspired.Let there be Peace Painting Program(PPP).
LET THERE BE LIGHT IN ALL SOULS.

You're welcome.
What actually is a soul?

[EARTHCITIZEN]

A soul is at the bottom of your shoe. Peace Bro.

[Baz91]

A soul is at the bottom of your shoe. Peace Bro.
Yeah, for us realists it is....but i mean whats divinepoet talking about?

[divinepoet]

Soul,GOD and Love. You cant see or touch it. Just feel it.Read Coleman Bark.s RUMI.

[Baz91]

Soul,GOD and Love. You cant see or touch it. Just feel it.Read Coleman Bark.s RUMI.
I don't believe in God...so I must not have a soul!

[EARTHCITIZEN]

Peace is not a dirty word, it's a very clean, pure and attractive word. It stands for what is right, it gives hope to the world, and abides in the heart of good people. Peace will always be desirable and worth striving for. War, on the other hand is ugly, dirty, and repulsive. War is utilized by people who have no respect for life and will scarifice their own citizens for their own gain.

[veerar]

Peace is not a dirty word, it's a very clean, pure and attractive word. It stands for what is right, it gives hope to the world, and abides in the heart of good people. Peace will always be desirable and worth striving for. War, on the other hand is ugly, dirty, and repulsive. War is utilized by people who have no respect for life and will scarifice their own citizens for their own gain.
The rationale behind my usage is that the "values" and "mindset",of people of one generation to the next are changing!

[Bart Fishermans]

Peace is not a dirty word, it's a very clean, pure and attractive word. It stands for what is right, it gives hope to the world, and abides in the heart of good people. Peace will always be desirable and worth striving for. War, on the other hand is ugly, dirty, and repulsive. War is utilized by people who have no respect for life and will scarifice their own citizens for their own gain.
That was very well said.
These 3 paintings I did were done shortly after 9/11 and this one is called "Peace on Earth".

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1053/peace1235zu.jpg

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[Bart Fishermans]

I don't believe in God...so I must not have a soul!
Baz, you have a soul. Everyone has a soul. Animals don't have souls but all humans do. Your body will eventually die but not your soul.

[veerar]

The three paintings are very well done.Congratulations!The last one is very beautiful!

[Baz91]

Baz, you have a soul. Everyone has a soul. Animals don't have souls but all humans do. Your body will eventually die but not your soul.
Nice Painting-best one yet!
When I die, that's the end. No more me.

[Bart Fishermans]

Nice Painting-best one yet!
When I die, that's the end. No more me.
Thanks. I'll try and post some more up.
When you die , that won't be the end,,,,,,,it will be the beginning of eternity.

The three paintings are very well done.Congratulations!The last one is very beautiful!
Thanks very much.

[Sandy Price]

We all have the ability to stop these wars! To do this, we have to take a look at what starts these wars and have been responsible for all the wars everywhere!

We are humans and therefore we are members of our tribes. We keep our tribes together through the fear of God. We spent centuries out breeding members of other tribes because we want our God to be the only one.

I don't want to kill anyone on this planet; but then I have no God to protect. I'm a member of the human race with a true desire to live and raise my family in peace. I'm damned lucky to be a white woman and being in the majority of our species, I feel a safety in my existence. Oh no! wait a minute, what if I were a member of the Jehovah's Witness or a Jew? That puts me in a tribe considered secondary to my position on the planet. No matter what I am, I will have a label affixed on my being and placed carefully in a tribe against my will. Let's see.......I'm an Atheist and that makes me the enemy of all governments, religions and certainly humanity. I am automatically despised in America and probably the rest of the world.

This is the itshay that starts wars. Look at the Crusades and the massacres done on both the Muslim and Christian sides of the battles. Look at the Inquisitions that were imposed on millions of people when the Catholic Popes were given control over the governments in Europe. Thousands of women were burned in the streets if they could not prove they were virgins. It even came to America with the Salem Witch trials. The men did nothing to protect their women and turned away in fear of their God.

The planet earth will never know a day of peace until we shut up about our Gods! We should also stop trying to out breed each other before we run out of resources in America as we have seen in Africa. We should never allow any God to try and take over our government schools. Our teachers should be educators, not missionaries.

Our children learn nothing of the founding of America, they are told God did it and that is the end of it. Some of the greatest debates are found between the founding fathers but we never learn of it in schools. Some of the speeches made by these same fathers are incredible and the depth of their passion should be read by our kids. Our students have been told nothing of the blood, sweat and tears that went into the Constitution to keep America out of wars. We stood for a sovereign nation based on individual freedoms that are kept by keeping the Constitution as our laws, our only laws.

Today we are compromised by global governance watering down our own Constitution and we have entered into a global fight for our Gods. Americans have many Gods but listening to our current Administration, America is a Christian Nation! So we fight anti-Christian nations. This global governance has brought with it a greed for the power of oil. This greed has taken the once greatest industrial nation and put us all on our knees pleading for the Middle Eastern oil. The Christian God is after Muslim oil! It is disgusting!

We developed a massive weapons industry during WW2, and the government refuses to give it up and has made America a Christian weapons factory. If this was done for our own protection, I could live with it but is is not! It is being used to destroy Allah! It will kill us all and we deserve it!

We elected a crazy Christian Wacko to make America into a Christian nation because the Christians are in the Majority and that means their God is the most powerful. I have no doubt this brought on 911 and our going into Iraq was wrong, illegal and unnecessary. We opened up the Crusades and this time involved America.

Don't waste your time planning for peace until you get out your copy and read the Constitution which tells us to stay the hell out of the governments of other nations. We seem to breed Republicans and Democrats who get into the war training mode from their first day in politics. They all dance around pretending they are pro-life and can't want to show their manly ways by getting into another war. They bring up the sin of same sex marriages while they are slaughtering innocent people in lands that most Americans can't find on a map.

These politicians are the epitome of hypocrisy and yet they strut their arrogance under their Christian icons and demand full power over the people. Well we keep giving it to them so we all are war mongering fools!

Keep your Gods in your homes and churches and out of the U.S. Constitution. Stop this nonsense of "My God is Better than Yours" crap that is killing our young men and women all over the world.

America being a Christian nation are fighting words to half the planet and to me! Spend a few minutes watching the televangelists and watch the emotional brain washing and if you aren't convinced, locate a revival meeting and see the hatred oozing from these sick people. Christians have no real love of country they are simply out to destroy other Gods. They are more driven by satan than Jesus Christ.

[Bart Fishermans]

Sandy , you got it half right and half wrong.
It's not the Christians in America that are causing wars , it's Bush and his wacko administration. I know what you are trying to say but you overlook the fact that there are good Christians and bad Christians. Good Muslims and bad Muslims.
This thread is about spreading peace and not spreading misconceptions.
I hope you can see my point.

[Mogadon]

Please can all people of all countries and all faiths spare a thought for your local neighbourhood atheists this pancake tuesday.

[divinepoet]

Hi Baz,thanks a lot for your faith of non believing.that is also a kind of faith.It is a kind of freedom from all faith bondage.Freedom from the belief of GOD.I am sure you are a humanist.You do feel for the humankind.You do feel for the distressed.You do feel for oppressed.
I am sure you want to free the planet from poverty illitercy exploitation.
I do believe in GOD seriously .But I do not ask you to believe in GOD.But I do ask you to hate war and to love PEACE.I am sure we can work to gether.

[Baz91]

Hi Baz,thanks a lot for your faith of non believing.that is also a kind of faith.It is a kind of freedom from all faith bondage.Freedom from the belief of GOD.I am sure you are a humanist.You do feel for the humankind.You do feel for the distressed.You do feel for oppressed.
I am sure you want to free the planet from poverty illitercy exploitation.
I do believe in GOD seriously .But I do not ask you to believe in GOD.But I do ask you to hate war and to love PEACE.I am sure we can work to gether.
"He who desires peace must prepare for war"-Vegetius
Anyone agree?

[EARTHCITIZEN]

He who prepares for war, is a warmonger.

[veerar]

"He who desires peace must prepare for war"-Vegetius
Anyone agree?
This quote is about 1700 years old,It can be slightly modified to:-"He who desires peace must prepare for PEACE",in view of the NUKES!

[Bart Fishermans]

He who prepares for war, is a warmonger.
I'll second that!
"He who desires peace must prepare for PEACE"
I'll second that!

[veerar]

http://www.sipri.org/
For anybody,interested in world peace,this link should prove useful.

[von-Scharnhorst]

He who prepares for war, is a warmonger.
He who doesn't can not complain when he is wipped off the face of the earth.

"Defence is attack", and "Freedom is slavery"?

Read "1984" recently?

I have locks on my windows to prepare against thieves.

Does this make me a thief?:confused:

[Bart Fishermans]

von-Scharnhorst, what we are all saying is that peace is better than war. And to achieve peace we have to be sensible and work towards it. G Bush is not helping the world situation. He is a warmonger. That is the most polite thing I can call him.

[veerar]

He who doesn't can not complain when he is wipped off the face of the earth.

"Defence is attack", and "Freedom is slavery"?

Read "1984" recently?

I have locks on my windows to prepare against thieves.

Does this make me a thief?:confused:
By locking your door,you have made your intentions clear.You do not want to have a scuffle or something with the intruder which may result in other things.You have declared that you are a pacifist.In adition,locking the door does not result in violence etc etc.It is a defensive and PREVENTIVE action.Peace also desires to achieve the same.
The war-monger on the other hand,may attack an innocent person,taking a walk,say,near his house,thinking that he is thief,or someother anti-social element.
Locking the window shows your peaceful intentions,while a war-monger will be unnecessarily aggressive on innocent persons!

[von-Scharnhorst]

So what is the difference between locking the door, and defending your country?

,locking the door does not result in violence etc etc.It is a defensive and PREVENTIVE action.

For that defence to be effective it must be prepared, repaired, and constantly practiced.

So the phrase, originally Posted by EARTHCITIZEN; "He who prepares for war, is a warmonger", is total bollocks.

See Switzerland. No war for over two hundred years. Yet one of the best equiped, best trained and, in exersise, most effective armys in the world. The same goes for Sweden.

Why? Because they, the navys, armys, and air forces are the lock on the countrys door.

[veerar]

So what is the difference between locking the door, and defending your country?

,

For that defence to be effective it must be prepared, repaired, and constantly practiced.

So the phrase, originally Posted by EARTHCITIZEN; "He who prepares for war, is a warmonger", is total bollocks.

See Switzerland. No war for over two hundred years. Yet one of the best equiped, best trained and, in exersise, most effective armys in the world. The same goes for Sweden.

Why? Because they, the navies,armys, and air forces are the lock on the countrys door.
"Arms industry should be done away with,after meeting the host nations' egitimate needs to defend themselves."
This is from my original post of this thread.Even this actually does not save a nation from an attack.
A nation will be overrun by superior forces,as demonstarted during the initial satges of WW2 by Germany,and by the USA in Iraq.So if a nation wants to defend herself against a superpower like USA,she cannot do so with her present preparation,which applies to both Sweden and Switzerland and many others.The geo-political situation guarantees nations of Europe some safety,and not their military preparedness.What can be done against a Missile Attack.I doubt whether the Swedes and the Swiss have the answer.
A genuine lock is being a superpower or having an alliance with one, as Japan is having now,and all nations cannot become or have an alliance with one.
Hence preparing for peace with "war-like" intention is pointless!

[divinepoet]

http://www.sipri.org/
For anybody,interested in world peace,this link should prove useful.
Thanks for the link.I knew about the peace institute.But not aware of the web
link.Thanks veerar.Let us talk about how do we promote cooperation among nations.Let us talk on global peace initiatives.

[veerar]

Thanks for the link.I knew about the peace institute.But not aware of the web
link.Thanks veerar.Let us talk about how do we promote cooperation among nations.Let us talk on global peace initiatives.
Welcome,divinepoet.I am happy,that I was able to do my bit to arouse your interest,further,in promoting genuine peace,in whatever small way we can!

[divinepoet]

"He who desires peace must prepare for war"-Vegetius
Anyone agree?

NO,I DISAGREE. Mao Zedong of China said, `war is inevitable,between just and unjust,.Prophet Mohammad said, `keep on warring against all evils of life,
ultimately just cause will win the war'.Self defence is a just cause.Keep your health fine just to prevent disease.

[von-Scharnhorst]

...So if a nation wants to defend herself against a superpower like USA,she cannot do so with her present preparation,which applies to both Sweden and Switzerland and many others.

Both Sweden and Switzerland have far better armys, in equipment, training, ability and moral, than the Iraki's and Afgahni's. Yet they (Iraki's and Afgahni's), are on the verge of defeating the U.S.

Both Sweden and Switzerland, along with the Germans, British, Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders, beat the U.S hands down in every exercise there is.

All the U.S has is equipment. It is the practice of using this equipment correctly and efficiently, that is important. I.e, preparation for war.

Without it, as the U,.S has showed, you can not even beat a bunch of undisciplined, untrained, and badly equipped, desert peasents.

[veerar]

Both Sweden and Switzerland have far better armys, in equipment, training, ability and moral, than the Iraki's and Afgahni's. Yet they (Iraki's and Afgahni's), are on the verge of defeating the U.S.

Both Sweden and Switzerland, along with the Germans, British, Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders, beat the U.S hands down in every exercise there is.

All the U.S has is equipment. It is the practice of using this equipment correctly and efficiently, that is important. I.e, preparation for war.

Without it, as the U,.S has showed, you can not even beat a bunch of undisciplined, untrained, and badly equipped, desert peasents.
USA is smart when it comes to exercises,allowing its partners to outdo them,thus learning about others.They don't take the exercises too seriously,and would not allow others to know about their full strength and capability.
In Iraq and Afghanistan,USA won the war hands down,but are not able to stay there.This happens to all occupying forces. Iraqis and the Afghanis are the losers with theor lands,military,civil society etc destroyed.Anarchy prevails in both places,while the people of USA are doing finelThe people of both Iraq and Afghanistan are living in hell.
If the Swedes and the Swiss venture to confront a power like USA,the same fate as the Iraqis and the Afghanis will befall their people,the weapons,training etc notwithstanding!.

[von-Scharnhorst]

In Iraq and Afghanistan,USA won the war hands down,but are not able to stay there.

If they had "won", as you say, then there would be nothing stopping them from staying there. As they did in Germany for 45 years.

I would also suggest you discuss the fact that the U.S have "won" with the familys of the two thousand, or so, U.S soldiers that have been killed in the ensuing "peace", and after battle euphoria of victory, that the U.S are so obviously enjoying.

As far as exersises go. I can assure you a country does not loose on average 10 aircraft crashed with crew, plus 10 or so soldiers and/or sailors, per exercise, just to make the allies think they are crap. THAT is shite soldiering.

[veerar]

If they had "won", as you say, then there would be nothing stopping them from staying there. As they did in Germany for 45 years.

I would also suggest you discuss the fact that the U.S have "won" with the familys of the two thousand, or so, U.S soldiers that have been killed in the ensuing "peace", and after battle euphoria of victory, that the U.S are so obviously enjoying.

As far as exersises go. I can assure you a country does not loose on average 10 aircraft crashed with crew, plus 10 or so soldiers and/or sailors, per exercise, just to make the allies think they are crap. THAT is shite soldiering.

Germany's case is different.They lost by a whisker and earned the respect of the world for many things before and after the war.Eventhough Germany lost the war,many nations under the British,French etc gained freedom,because of WW2. Thus even in defeat,Germany did a favour to many weaker nations of the world.
But for WW2,the Sun,would still not be setting in the British empire!
One should see the practical result of confronting a superior adversary.In this both Iraq and Afghanistan had lost heavily and the people of these two countries are going thro' hell.American casuality is negligible comparatively.
Ultimately,results like these should be the guide of politicians and other leaders of nations and not bravado!

[von-Scharnhorst]

In this both Iraq and Afghanistan had lost heavily and the people of these two countries are going thro' hell.American casuality is negligible comparatively.

My point is, that both Iraq and Afghanistan have NOT LOST. They are still fighting. There is no signature on a surender document. The U.S are loosing more troops than they did before Bush declared, falsely, that the war was over.

The costs, in manpower and money, threatens to bankrupt the U.S economy. The whole situation is on the verge of bringing down the U.S president and the Primeministers of U.K, and Australia. Has allready brought down the Primeministers of Italy and Spain.

In fact, given the theoretical U.S/Allied superiority in training and equipment, both Iraq and Afghanistan are making mincemeat out of the U.S, and the allies.

All because, to return to the origional point, they had not prepared properly.

Regardless of the reasons for the war, and your opinions on the rights or wrongs, it is a case book example of why our armed forces must be constantly preparing for war.

[veerar]

My point is, that both Iraq and Afghanistan have NOT LOST. They are still fighting. There is no signature on a surender document. The U.S are loosing more troops than they did before Bush declared, falsely, that the war was over.

The costs, in manpower and money, threatens to bankrupt the U.S economy. The whole situation is on the verge of bringing down the U.S president and the Primeministers of U.K, and Australia. Has allready brought down the Primeministers of Italy and Spain.

In fact, given the theoretical U.S/Allied superiority in training and equipment, both Iraq and Afghanistan are making mincemeat out of the U.S, and the allies.

All because, to return to the origional point, they had not prepared properly.

Regardless of the reasons for the war, and your opinions on the rights or wrongs, it is a case book example of why our armed forces must be constantly preparing for war.

"Modern day wars have shown that,unless one uses the nukes,the difference in strength between the contestants is nil.And responsible powers refuse to use the nukes,even under extreme provocation.So peace is better than war.even for the Superpowers."This is a part from my original post of the thread.
A surrender document etc is a piece of paper,the question of which does not arise here at all, because the invasion itself is illegal,in the case of Iraq
Becuase of this war both USA and Iraq have lost,in many ways,Iraq,more so!
That is why peace is better than war.Whether one prepares for war or not,wars,especilly modren ones, will result only in losers,in more ways than one.
Hence my cry for "PEACE,PEACE,PEACE".

[von-Scharnhorst]

That is why peace is better than war.Whether one prepares for war or not,wars,especilly modren ones, will result only in losers,in more ways than one. Hence my cry for "PEACE,PEACE,PEACE".

I agree with your sentiments totaly. But if some one wants to disturb that peace, then conversely, you may find yourself having to fight.

That preparation is not "war mongering", merely sensible precaution.

[Langdon Auger]

Forget UN.It is club of speech makers.It is for the strongs.It is for the nuke masters.


I almost believe that statment...ALMOST!

While the U.N does have it's issues, it does have the right idea. They are standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves and they stand up to those who need to stand up and look @ their own countries before they carry on war and hatred in other countries.

Name me one other organization that is standing up for WORLD PEACE more than the U.N!

[Langdon Auger]

Speaking of messengers of GOD old bearded tit Osama bin Laden,is educating us
again with another "RIDDLERS RANT" why can't the PIG just say whats on his mind instead all this shit.Lion of Iraq ha ha ha a "DEAD ONE"at least.How this
bearded GISSY can praise al Zarqawi what more need you say.Cavemen like him
are a bit rough around the edges aren't they.!!!!! MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,tell that to Musab next time you see him,even though he will be shagging one of 72 virgins allah sent him,i wonder if these virgins are SHIA or SUNNI Musab is
particular about these things thats all.Lets face it the pig sucker killed plenty
Shea didn't he,seems they just can't get along.AH WELL back to the virgins.

Who the Americans are training to defeat Osama!
How long will it take till those people come back and bite them with their own weapons!

[Langdon Auger]

Sandy , you got it half right and half wrong.
It's not the Christians in America that are causing wars , it's Bush and his wacko administration. I know what you are trying to say but you overlook the fact that there are good Christians and bad Christians. Good Muslims and bad Muslims.
This thread is about spreading peace and not spreading misconceptions.
I hope you can see my point.

You are spreading a misconception with this statement!

It's not the Christians in America that are causing wars , it's Bush and his wacko administration."Misconception"...because it is not just bush and his wackos...it is everyone one who voted this man in as President! The American voter knew there would be a war and they chose bush as their leader.

If that is not bad enough...his father did the same thing!

Here is a "Misconception" for you...All Americans want a war every President!

[Langdon Auger]

von-Scharnhorst, what we are all saying is that peace is better than war. And to achieve peace we have to be sensible and work towards it. G Bush is not helping the world situation. He is a warmonger. That is the most polite thing I can call him.
Name one American President that was not a warmonger? I am not defending bush...but c'mon! Every President has had his war, the American Oval Office breeds warmongers!

[WESTERN RANGER]

That is true even Jimmy Carter was up to his neck in dirty tricks and traps for
poor countries to yield their resources for nothing.Those days though the Cold
war seemed to hold them in check,now these heroes are a law [war]unto themselves.The frightening thing now is men like Karl gRovel are very aware that no one can stop them and they plan accordingly scary,where will it end.
All bullies one day meet their match maybe China/India who knows.

[veerar]

You are spreading a misconception with this statement!

It's not the Christians in America that are causing wars , it's Bush and his wacko administration."Misconception"...because it is not just bush and his wackos...it is everyone one who voted this man in as President! The American voter knew there would be a war and they chose bush as their leader.

If that is not bad enough...his father did the same thing!

Here is a "Misconception" for you...All Americans want a war every President!
USA and the West use religion for capturing political power in non-christian countries,by proxy,by exploiting its "emotional power" to sway people.The excuses of democracy,RELIGIOUS and individual freedom, are used to interfere in the internal affairs of many antions,which do not toe the US' line.
In this the Vatican and the CIA and other western spy agencies and Corporates are involved.
Religious conversion is carried out,so that oneday christians will become majority in non-christian countries and capture power by the dictum"majority rule,minority rights".
Even if the christians don't become majoriities,they can be used for creating trouble and secession from their mother countries,thus disntegrating and weakening them .
The mischief christian missionaries resort to in many non-christian countries,should be seen to be believed.
Thus religion is used by the Machiavilian western politicians to consolidate their political position in non-christian countries.It is rather shameful and hypocritical!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20060716/pl_nm/religion_politics_usa_dc

[veerar]

In addition to their main weapon,REKIGION and religious conversions to christianity,western nations also use Sports,World Bamk,IMF,Asian Development bank(thro' their ally,Japan),exchanges of scholars and others,the so called "people to people contact",discussions(here well trained professionals who can argue ,like atorneys,are used),military exercises,relief during natural calamities,POWERFUL PROPAGANDA etc etc .
In addition to all these things SPYING is used and the converts are mainly employed for these,by infiltrating all social,military and other organizations.
Western nations enjoy the luxury of having and knowing that they have "moles",in all strategic places of many nations.
Religion is also used to spread hatred for other faiths of many non-christian nations and their indigenous people,their habits and. customs.

[veerar]

Western nations exploit the statehood of the Vatican ,to their advantage in matters like spying,creating trouble thro' RELIGION,etc etc in other countries.

[veerar]

The Mohammed Cartoon,was also a political ploy,by using a nation,like Denmark,while the USA,"pretended",not to say anything controversial regarding the same,all the while,"seeming" to enjoy the whole thing.
It seems also to be an indirect attack on the Iranian leader,Mr Ahmedinijad,whose first name is "Mehmood"!
Generally USA uses sarcastic humour to attack its adversaries by propaganda!

[veerar]

The Mohammed Cartoon,was also a political ploy,by using a nation,like Denmark,while the USA,"pretended",not to say anything controversial regarding the same,all the while,"seeming" to enjoy the whole thing.
It seems also to be an indirect attack on the Iranian leader,Mr Ahmedinijad,whose first name is "Mehmood"!
Generally USA uses sarcastic humour to attack its adversaries by propaganda!
The whole irony in this,is the fact that the Iraqis are suffering,going through hell.
It shows immaturity and a lack of sensitivity to others,especially,their suffering!

[veerar]

Name one American President that was not a warmonger? I am not defending bush...but c'mon! Every President has had his war, the American Oval Office breeds warmongers!
http://www.rense.com/general72/oice.htm

[divinepoet]

Another nice one,dear divinepoet.Your poems are getting better.Thanks.

LETTER FROM AN IRAQI MOTHER / DIVINE POET

Hi unborn babies of Iraq
Wait for sometime
Stay fugitive with the moon
My womb is full of bombs
No space for you.
The day I die
Hoist your flag of freedom
Sing a song for your mother.
You will enjoy a song
Sang by deserts and mountains.

Dedicated to Veerar,Composed on July 11 morning .

[veerar]

LETTER FROM AN IRAQI MOTHER / DIVINE POET

Hi unborn babies of Iraq
Wait for sometime
Stay fugitive with the moon
My womb is full of bombs
No space for you.
The day I die
Hoist your flag of freedom
Sing a song for your mother.
You will enjoy a song
Sang by deserts and mountains.

Dedicated to Veerar,Composed on July 11 morning .
Soul-stirring poem.Well done.congrats and thanks!

[veerar]

It seems we have company,in our desire for peace.
http://www.rense.com/general72/dec.htm

[veerar]

http://www.cpt.org/publications/cptsunday.php
This is a good link!

[von-Scharnhorst]

Veerar. If you just use the "edit" button, you can add new information without filling up the bloody board with one liners.:mad: :mad: :mad:

[WESTERN RANGER]

I tell you what was shamefull and unchristian the slaughter of the Priests/Students etc in Guatemala/El Salvedor and the Nicaraguan dirty little war
which Raygoon backed to the hilt.They the Contras were sending that much coke to the U.S.every banknote in the state of Florida was impregnated with it.
Meanwhile his anorexic battleaxe wife was on T.V.doing her infamous just say no
tedious lectures???? What a silly electorate they must sometimes be.I once heard a Reagan Democrat saying why he was voting for Ronnie,he said that
although Reagans economic voodoo had cost the fool his job/house/wife, he
was still voting for Reagan because he "liked" the guy.What can you do.????

[Bart Fishermans]

While the U.N does have it's issues, it does have the right idea. They are standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves and they stand up to those who need to stand up and look @ their own countries before they carry on war and hatred in other countries.

Name me one other organization that is standing up for WORLD PEACE more than the U.N!

I'm not sure if you are right but I hope you are about the UN standing up for World Peace. I suppose if we keep on backing the UN in it's role as a peace maker ( and doing something to correct it's weaknesses) then it may have more influence as a peace maker.

Veerar. If you just use the "edit" button, you can add new information without filling up the board with one liners.

and....here's another painting I did just after 9/11 called "Stay Calm". I suppose that is the most important way of achieving peace.If you stay calm you have a better chance to see things sensibly and are able to respond to aggression with peace.

I'm pretty sure Bush used fear and tried to panic the american public into going to war with Iraq by instilling fear and hatred towards those who were responsible for the 9/11 disaster. He succeeded. This is a war crime that Bush has to be punished for.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5081/staycalm0vh.jpg

Stay Calm
.

[WESTERN RANGER]

Peace is great and believe me i am all in favour of it.However peace for the sake of peace is no good,do we want Stalins hand rocking our kids cradles?
Or Napolean Duarte/General Pinochet ? peace is fine provided you can live in it
Some monster dictator running amok is not in my view peace it's low intensity
war.I would resist as much as i could.

[veerar]

Magnificent again,Bart Fishermans!Congrats once again!And thanks for the tip!I hope you won't mind this "one liner",though!

[Bart Fishermans]

Magnificent again,Bart Fishermans!Congrats once again!And thanks for the tip!I hope you won't mind this "one liner",though!
I'm glad you liked my painting veerar. I must try and do some more new ones. The ones that I have posted up here are 3 or so years old.

[divinepoet]

No words to say
No words to hear
You know better than me
What do I want to say
I know better than you
What do you want to hear.

Let us not say
Let us not hear
Let this time pass
A soundless moment
Like an unseen breeze.

The right time for us
Remain one and united
War may destroy our home
War may destroy this moment
Let us create a time for love
Let us create a planet
Full of peace
Free from warmongers.

Dedicated to PEACE LOVERS

[divinepoet]

Magnificent again,Bart Fishermans!Congrats once again!And thanks for the tip!I hope you won't mind this "one liner",though!
Yes, I agree with Veerar.'Stay calm,its time for peace'

[Bart Fishermans]

divinepoet I like your poem : "No Words To Say"......thankyou!

[veerar]

Nice one divinepoet!
Bart Fishermans doesn't like my one-liners and I am afraid of his/her rebuttals,but I simply cannot help congratulating on your nice little effort.Keep it up,please!
http://www.kidlink.org/english/voice/war/index.html
http://www.kidlink.org/english/voice/index.html
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=2&theme=&usrsess=1&id=123688

[Bart Fishermans]

Bart Fishermans doesn't like my one-liners and I am afraid of his rebuttals,veerar it's just that your one liners are often times not necessary because you can easily condense your posts in one neat one by hitting your edit button and adding any after thoughts or links you may have. Having one post is a lot neater and takes up less space than 4 posts. ;)

[veerar]

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=53907
The above link,provides us with a supporter for peace,using very similar language,as in the first post of this thread.And ,it also shows the mischiefs,the Corporates resort to,to fool,gullible people,and steal their natural wealth,they are lucky to be blessed with.
Thus the struggle for peace,also involves fight against the greedy Corporates,who are suspected to be the bggest culprits,when it comes to Environment and indigenous people.
HOW TO FIGHT THESE GREEDY MONSTERS,WHO ARE NOT AT ALL SATISFIED WITH ANY AMOUNT OF WEALTH?!

[divinepoet]

Who wants to destroy this planet? Hate them.we have one planet for the humankind.Let us share and care it.

[WESTERN RANGER]

divinepoet/ You are of the mind as me,and don't see the world as an unending
source of take/take/take.Bush and his like and there are plenty more like him
see it as a jamboree for them and the other mega rich exploiters.Problem is theres still loads who think the same way.My mortal fear is by the time things
are understood in world governments it will be way too late.I am very sorry to
say,but as in the imortal words of Gordon Gekko GREED IS GOOD.

[divinepoet]

Dear We R
This planet is for the mankind.Let us share and care it.Look around,you will see everything is smiling.Just feel in your soul that you are with them.You will listen fountain is singing and the river is dancing.
Look at the mountain,you will see it is bowing down in your honour.Look at the baby crying on the burning street of Beirut your soul will cry and tears will roll down to wipe out the blood of the baby.Seven billion people of this planet do not want war.Some Faraos and Nimrod and sons of devil want killing and destruction.Like ancient Faraos and Nimrod neo Faraos/Nimrod will not be there.Everybody loves Moses not Faraos.Everybody respects Abraham not Nimrod.Jesus the great saint and prophet is in our heart not Roman Emperor not cruel and unkind Rabbis.
LOVE THIS PLANET AND YOUR NEIGHBOURS.

[janahitwadi]

We all have the ability to stop these wars! To do this, we have to take a look at what starts these wars and have been responsible for all the wars everywhere!

We are humans and therefore we are members of our tribes. We keep our tribes together through the fear of God. We spent centuries out breeding members of other tribes because we want our God to be the only one.

I don't want to kill anyone on this planet; but then I have no God to protect. I'm a member of the human race with a true desire to live and raise my family in peace.
Christians have no real love of country they are simply out to destroy other Gods. They are more driven by Satan than Jesus Christ.

Sandy I liked your clear views on the situation. One question. Do you think other than whites in USA are not safe? If so why?

All Religions in this world have a common fundamental principle that is 'Brotherhood among all in a society' Wise ones developed rules and regulations to achieve this fundamental need of people for their survival. They made laws to punish those who don't follow rules and regulations. All these have a bearing on TIME, PLACE and SOCIETY. This means that any of these factors change there is an absolute need to change rules/regulations and laws. Our mistake is we forget this and refer old books to support any idea or our work.


God is a concept to ensure people to follow rules/regulations. People are made to believe the God always watches their activities and rewards if these are in line with the rules/regulations. On the other hand the God punishes as per the laws when one fails to behave.


Neither religion nor the God is a bad concept. In fact concept of the God is the most economical to ensure enforcement of rules/regulations. Simply the greatest on this earth found so far. What s bad is not changing with TIME, LOCATION and SOCIETY. All those who insist on the books only must be made to step down from power.


You can read more in the link I have given in my signature.


I pray the God every person thinks the way you are thinking.

[divinepoet]

Dear Hitobadi,thanks for the posting.I support your views.Let us love people that will make our planet nice and peacefull

[romans1132]

ONE PRESIDENT TRIED TO DO THAT AND PAID A HEAVY PRICE
http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=49367&mesg_id=49367&page=

Read for about 15 minutes, and you will walk away with more understanding

[veerar]

ONE PRESIDENT TRIED TO DO THAT AND PAID A HEAVY PRICE
http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=49367&mesg_id=49367&page=

Read for about 15 minutes, and you will walk away with more understanding
http://www.voxfux.com
In the above link,please see "Vatican Assassins".
http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter8/kennedy.html
Late Mr JFK,a US Prez,sacrificed himself. His sacrifice will not go in vain.The USA will ultimately be isolated,by the rest of the world.The weakening of the US dollar,and the interest of nations like Iran,in other currencies like the Euro and also the increasing price of Gold etc are indications of the things to come.USA had been too smart,for far too long.She will pay the price.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20060801/cm_ucru/whenyoucareenoughtodotheveryleast
History is lttered with similar cases to that of the arrogant and ruthless USA.She will meet her comeuppance,like Don Juan!
Peace will prevail,albeit,after some difficulties.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/HG28Aa01.html

[divinepoet]

War has destroyed my images and the body
I live in my soul in the eternity
You cant touch me , you cant kiss
You cant reach me from this burning street.

If you really love me touch your heart
I shall be always with you as you desire
Peace is my religion and a space for heaven
Knowledge is my GOD and we live together.

Copyright By Ershad Mazumder

[divinepoet]

I scream I cry I shout on a war street
Help me help me help me
Anybody there to help me
Blue sky mountains and deserts weeping
GOD on the throne ,do you listen me?

Copyright By Ershad Mazumder

[veerar]

http://metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060816-064753-5278r
The above link gives reasons,why,peace is better than war.even for the mighty,USA!

[janahitwadi]

Yes USA is mighty because she has more than enough arsenal to destroy this earth several times. Yes USA is mighty because she has latest technology to develop any thing which could be terror to rest of the world. Yes USA is mighty because she has enough financial strength to buy whole of the world.

However, USA is poor because she is selfish and cannot appreciate views of others. However, USA is poor because she is short sighted, doesn't understand long term benefits. However, USA is poor because she is expects quick n more returns than investment. However, USA is poor because she is not capable of understanding helping terrorists means landing in trouble.

[divinepoet]

Fulfillment
___________
One word
Droplet of tears
Fulfillment of earth
There is life
Above everything

By Divine Poet

[janahitwadi]

Fulfillment
___________
One word
Droplet of tears
Fulfillment of earth
There is life
Above everything

By Divine Poet
Please elaborate this for understanding by me and others.

[Mainer]

http://metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060816-064753-5278r
The above link gives reasons,why,peace is better than war.even for the mighty,USA!
For some reason unknown to me I was unable to open your page. However, I am interested in peace would would like to communicate with you.

Bert Kauffman
kaufhubert.com

[William]

For some reason unknown to me I was unable to open your page. However, I am interested in peace would would like to communicate with you.

Bert Kauffman
kaufhubert.com

Veerar has long been banned from this site.
If you go on his homepage, http://www.vijay.wetpaint.com, you might be able to talk to him about peace.