Muslims demand introduction of Sharia law for family matters.

[Nicholas]

Muslim leaders summoned to talks with the Government on tackling extremism in their midst called for public holidays to mark their religious festivals.

The Whitehall meeting was set up in response to last week's airline bomb plot discovery.

Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly had prepared an uncompromising message on the need to tackle dangerous radicalism.

But, in what she admitted were 'sharp' exchanges, some senior Muslim figures turned the tables yesterday and made a series of demands which also included the introduction of Sharia law for family matters.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400605&in_page_id=1770

[Darth_Tanner]

I believe the phrase would be 'screw them'

Its almost enough to make you vote BNP,

almost...

[Nicholas]

It comes on the back of this......................


AN Islamic academic has told an 8,000-strong crowd at a Muslim rally in Manchester that dying for your beliefs is "just".

Dr Azzam Tamimi, who has previously said he was prepared to be a suicide bomber, described martyrs as those who were "prepared to stand up in defiance of George Bush and Tony Blair". He told the audience they should see themselves as "Muslims in Europe" and not "European Muslims"...........................

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/221/221170_muslim_martyrs_win_praise_at_rally.html

[Baz91]

It comes on the back of this......................


AN Islamic academic has told an 8,000-strong crowd at a Muslim rally in Manchester that dying for your beliefs is "just".

Dr Azzam Tamimi, who has previously said he was prepared to be a suicide bomber, described martyrs as those who were "prepared to stand up in defiance of George Bush and Tony Blair". He told the audience they should see themselves as "Muslims in Europe" and not "European Muslims"...........................

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/221/221170_muslim_martyrs_win_praise_at_rally.html

And what we need to do is to listen to what they are saying and act on it-i.e rethink our attitude towards the middle east, and do more to help Muslims to feel welcome and intergrate into the UK. This is by no means condoning terrorism.

[Lord Nelson]

And what we need to do is to listen to what they are saying and act on it-i.e rethink our attitude towards the middle east, and do more to help Muslims to feel welcome and intergrate into the UK. This is by no means condoning terrorism.Unfortunately it still looks like there are still people on this forum who just do not understand the threat Islam poses on this country.There is absolutely no chance of integration working as both of our cultures are totally different and remember Islam is totally against anything that is seen as being democratic.
If you are still not sure Baz go and read some verses of the Koran or check out the rules of Sharia law and then you may get a better understanding of the subject!

[Nicholas]

And what we need to do is to listen to what they are saying and act on it-i.e rethink our attitude towards the middle east, and do more to help Muslims to feel welcome and intergrate into the UK. This is by no means condoning terrorism.

Are you suggesting we negotiate with terrorists? Are you saying that our actions in the middle east are reason enough for people to kill and maim innocent civilians? What the muslims of this country(who have passports) don't realise is - is that they are British. If they don't like our foreign policy then why don't they leave and live in a country that is more in line with their beliefs instead of trying to force their will on the indigenous law abiding silent majority of Britain.

[Baz91]

Are you suggesting we negotiate with terrorists? Are you saying that our actions in the middle east are reason enough for people to kill and maim innocent civilians? What the muslims of this country(who have passports) don't realise is - is that they are British. If they don't like our foreign policy then why don't they leave and live in a country that is more in line with their beliefs instead of trying to force their will on the indigenous law abiding silent majority of Britain.

Yes but these Muslims are British, and have been born and bred in Britain. Quality of life is better in the UK than in Arab countries. When our army is in the middle east plunging Iraq into turmoil, we are offending many people. We have a choice-rethink the foreign policy, and remove the security risk, or carry on as we are, not listen and face further terrorist threats.

[Baz91]

Unfortunately it still looks like there are still people on this forum who just do not understand the threat Islam poses on this country.There is absolutely no chance of integration working as both of our cultures are totally different and remember Islam is totally against anything that is seen as being democratic.
If you are still not sure Baz go and read some verses of the Koran or check out the rules of Sharia law and then you may get a better understanding of the subject!

The threat Islam poses on our country is created by ourselves! If we had not gone into Iraq or Afghanistan, or supported Israel as strongly as we do, and I can assure you that 7/7 would have not happened. If you don't believe me ask your average east end muslim, and see what they have to say. Sharia law is very similar to our laws in the middle ages, regarding theft and adultery.
The Koran holds the same or less amount of evil texts as the bible. If you don't agree that the foreign policy is the cause of Islamic extremism (in the UK), then what is?

[Lord Nelson]

The threat Islam poses on our country is created by ourselves! If we had not gone into Iraq or Afghanistan, or supported Israel as strongly as we do, and I can assure you that 7/7 would have not happened. If you don't believe me ask your average east end muslim, and see what they have to say. Sharia law is very similar to our laws in the middle ages, regarding theft and adultery.
The Koran holds the same or less amount of evil texts as the bible. If you don't agree that the foreign policy is the cause of Islamic extremism (in the UK), then what is?"The threat Islam poses on our country is created by ourselves".........What an absolute crazy statement!
Sharia law is another example of this evil religion,where a woman has no rights and any Muslim man can take any non muslim woman and do as he pleases with her........Sorry Baz but not in my country......:mad:

[Nicholas]

Quality of life is better in the UK than in Arab countries. .

You are deadly right there. And who made Britain what it is today? the forward thinking Industrialists of the 19th century? Queen Victoria and her expansionist policies for the empire? Or militant islamists who threaten the security of this great country? Islamic opinion is a minority opinion in this country. Why the government negotiates with organisations like the muslim council of Great Britain( a totally unelected self appointed group of loons) is beyond me. We should not be pandering to their needs. They should be embracing Britain as there home not trying to divide it.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Yes but these Muslims are British, and have been born and bred in Britain. Quality of life is better in the UK than in Arab countries. When our army is in the middle east plunging Iraq into turmoil, we are offending many people. We have a choice-rethink the foreign policy, and remove the security risk, or carry on as we are, not listen and face further terrorist threats.
YES EXACTLY, they are born and bred in Britain. So why should it bother thier arses as to what is going on in the middle east?

The answer is that they do not see themselves as British. THEREFORE why should they be treated as such even when "born and bred" there?.

This is more evidence of the way they see "multi culturalism". Yes They would suport to the death the right of Sunni and Shí-ite to live together, in U.K.

BUT don't you DARE suggest that the British can remain British.

[Baz91]

YES EXACTLY, they are born and bred in Britain. So why should it bother thier arses as to what is going on in the middle east?

Because Mecca is in the Middle East:cool:

[Baz91]

[QUOTE=Lord Nelson;12751]"The threat Islam poses on our country is created by ourselves".........What an absolute crazy statement!
QUOTE]

Really? Well from the BNP view we should have never let Muslims in so therefore we're to blame for that.

But in the world of Centrist Politics, it's clear that out FOREIGN POLICY is stirring up muslims to extremism. Ask some muslims in the street as to why the likes of the 7/7 bombers blew themselves up. Muslims before 2003 never had a problem with the UK. So why only now? Because of Iraq and Afghanistan.

[paulB]

[QUOTE=Lord Nelson;12751]"The threat Islam poses on our country is created by ourselves".........What an absolute crazy statement!
QUOTE]

Really? Well from the BNP view we should have never let Muslims in so therefore we're to blame for that.

But in the world of Centrist Politics, it's clear that out FOREIGN POLICY is stirring up muslims to extremism. Ask some muslims in the street as to why the likes of the 7/7 bombers blew themselves up. Muslims before 2003 never had a problem with the UK. So why only now? Because of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Islam is not an evil religion but foreign policy is not to blame for Islamic extremism.

Let me ask you one question, if foreign policy such as the Iraq war is to blame for Al Qaeda why was the World Trade Center blown up on 9/11? when this foreign policy was not then in place?

I'll tell you why,, because they hate our way of life and are simply blaming foreign policy.

The idea that you leave the Taliban in place because you are scared of upseting Muslims is outrageous. If Muslims want to be taken seriously they should accept that Iran is a terrible regime, that the Taliban was a primitive fanatical regime and that Saddam Hussein was a butcher.

[Baz91]

[QUOTE=Baz91;13001]

Islam is not an evil religion but foreign policy is not to blame for Islamic extremism.

Let me ask you one question, if foreign policy such as the Iraq war is to blame for Al Qaeda why was the World Trade Center blown up on 9/11? when this foreign policy was not then in place?



The idea that you leave the Taliban in place because you are scared of upseting Muslims is outrageous. If Muslims want to be taken seriously they should accept that Iran is a terrible regime, that the Taliban was a primitive fanatical regime and that Saddam Hussein was a butcher.

I don't know enough about US Politics to answer the first question. My statement was regarding the UK.

Saddam was a butcher, yes. But what we have in place of him is much worse. That's what people are pissed off about.

Is Iran really that terrible? The Iranian leadership was democratically put in power. They have nuclear power-yes-is this so bad? Look at Pakistan, next door. They harbour islamic extremists and are lead by a military dictator. They have nuclear power as well. I would be more worried about them. But the reason Iran is in the spotlight is because it doesn't do what the USA wants, which is understandable given the countries history.

[paulB]

[QUOTE=paulB;13006]

I don't know enough about US Politics to answer the first question. My statement was regarding the UK.

Saddam was a butcher, yes. But what we have in place of him is much worse. That's what people are pissed off about.

Is Iran really that terrible? The Iranian leadership was democratically put in power. They have nuclear power-yes-is this so bad? Look at Pakistan, next door. They harbour islamic extremists and are lead by a military dictator. They have nuclear power as well. I would be more worried about them. But the reason Iran is in the spotlight is because it doesn't do what the USA wants, which is understandable given the countries history.

Although I respect many of your views I don't agree with you.
Muslims are in denial about this, if the foreign policy waas changed soon it would be domestic policy they wanted changing.
This would mean we would have to veil Women,
Stone Gay people and adulterers
ban alcohol
ban gambling
Disregard Christmas
Celebrate Ramadan
Bring in Blasphemy laws
Ban 'obscene' books
And much more

[Baz91]

[QUOTE=Baz91;13007]

Although I respect many of your views I don't agree with you.
Muslims are in denial about this, if the foreign policy waas changed soon it would be domestic policy they wanted changing.
This would mean we would have to veil Women,
Stone Gay people and adulterers
ban alcohol
ban gambling
Disregard Christmas
Celebrate Ramadan
Bring in Blasphemy laws
Ban 'obscene' books
And much more

They wouldn't. And even if they did the UK would never bow to Sharia law. B

[paulB]

[QUOTE=paulB;13012]

They wouldn't. And even if they did the UK would never bow to Sharia law. B

If multi culturalism and immigration keep on the way they are I'm telling you there is a real fear that Britain could change for ever.
Many Muslims long for an Islamic state, and many countries in the world are realising this.

The Liberal Dutch can see that their culture is under threat, the Danes were pilloried for freedom of speech.

What we neen to do is to enforce our mono culture on incomers, if they don't like our way of life then please leave. Keep the Monarchy as it is a symbol of Britishness,and teach English History and values.

[Lord Nelson]

Nobody has the right to take someones life just because they disagree with their country's foreign policy......End of!

[Baz91]

Nobody has the right to take someones life just because they disagree with their country's foreign policy......End of!

I totally agree-but we've got to get to grips with the fact that some people think the opposite, and we have to act on this.

[paulB]

I couldn't believe it when I read the paper and saw that Ruth Kelly is to look 'sympathetically' at the Muslim request for sharia Law in domestic matters.

This cannot be allowed to happen, does this give Muslim men the right to beat their wives or daughters?

There is one set of law under the British constitution and to allow one group the chance to have their own law will only open the floodgates to a lot of other groups demanding their own laws.

Blair out.

[janahitwadi]

I don't understand how persons who migrate on their own will demand some thing not accepted in constitution as right. Even if they are born to immigrants they cannot claim this as a right. Britishers you need to kill the bud. If you allow this some day you will find your constitution and laws would be modifies to accommodate Islam.

You have immediate need to separate religion from Government. Allow religion for 'brotherhood' and for 'life after death' Your present life be totally governed by your constitution and laws. Do not accept any religion to interfere in your present life, be it Christianity, be it is Islam, Be it is Hindu, be it is Baudha or any other.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Religion IS seperate from state in U.K.

It is the muslim that wants to change this.

[Amerikanisch]

I am sure that some Muslins are nice people, but when I see these people all decked out from head to foot wearing lose tent material with their headscarfs on bowing to Allah in rows with their asses up in the air- sorry, they look like rows of the lowest refuse sporting layers of rags for clothes.
These are not a great people. They do have more of their share of murderous fanatics though. They should all be rounded up and sent back to Arabia.
Let me tell you the story of great people. It all began in Greece 2500 years ago. That was when democracy was born in Greece, the birthplace of Western Civilization. Greece was a treasurehouse of science and philosophy and new ideas- like democracy.
These ideas spread to Rome- another great Western Civilization. The Romans had indoor plumbing and invented the acquaducts and the Roman arch. Rome had slaves of course- as everyone else did back then-but there were elememts of democracry enjoyed by the upper classes and some slaves were allowed to buy their freedom.
These ideas were refined by Western Europeans, including the French and the English. The Magna Carta was the beginning of the end of absolute power for the English kings.
These ideas, of course were carried to North America and were the seeds that led to the American and French Revolutions. The American Revolutionary leaders (Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, etc.) were at the vanguard of progressive democratic thought at the time. Franklin and Jefferson were accomplished inventors in addition to being great philosophers and diplomats. Franklin, in fact, was a multi-talented genius-inventor of the bifocal lens, franklin stove ( a more efficient stove), "electricity", water chimes, the lightening rod. Franklin was also a literary talent" "Poor Richard's Almanac" as well as a successful printer. Being the civil oriented soul that he was, Franklin refused to take out a patent on the lightening rod, feeling that everyone deserved this basic protection.The United States has the distinction of being founded by some the most multi-talented and ingenius group of leaders that has ever founded a country anywhere or anytime.
Fast forward through the bloody American Civil War in which 400,000 lost their lives. Jim Crow Laws and finally the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in which the nations ideals finally embraced all people. We've come a long way, baby!
These were great people with great ideas.
Now contract that with these bearded, 7th century ragamuffins with their asses in the air who have not contributed anything of worth to civilization in 1300 years. Who keep their wives, mothers and sisters bundled up like yesterday's dirty laundry and who seek tolerant societies in which to practice their intolerance.

I say, "SEND "EM BACK"!



[/size]You are deadly right there. And who made Britain what it is today? the forward thinking Industrialists of the 19th century? Queen Victoria and her expansionist policies for the empire? Or militant islamists who threaten the security of this great country? Islamic opinion is a minority opinion in this country. Why the government negotiates with organisations like the muslim council of Great Britain( a totally unelected self appointed group of loons) is beyond me. We should not be pandering to their needs. They should be embracing Britain as there home not trying to divide it.

[Amerikanisch]

[QUOTE=Baz91;13013]

If multi culturalism and immigration keep on the way they are I'm telling you there is a real fear that Britain could change for ever.
Many Muslims long for an Islamic state, and many countries in the world are realising this.

The Liberal Dutch can see that their culture is under threat, the Danes were pilloried for freedom of speech.

What we neen to do is to enforce our mono culture on incomers, if they don't like our way of life then please leave.


Keep the Monarchy as it is a symbol of Britishness,and teach English History and values.


"Please", nothing. Kick their asses OUT!
I'd like to kick out aboout 20 million of these GD corrupt Mexicans and not a single one has set off a bomb yet.