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Truth_Bringer
28-08-2006, 05:20 PM
CAN AMERICA SURVIVE DEMOCRACY?

By Tres Kerns

October 28, 2004

All major party leaders, Democrats, Republicans and their presidential candidates, believe that spreading secular democracy around the world will make us all safer and give “liberty” to citizens of other countries. Even the predecessors of both political parties; Clinton, Bush one and Reagan modeled this idea. We have been inundated with the thought that America was founded as a democracy. America has truly forgotten what our Founding Fathers started: A Constitutional Republic with unalienable rights from the Creator (the God of the Bible). What is the difference?

The best explanation I ever heard about this subject was from Dr. John Eidsmoe of Faulkner University, who expanded on Benjamin Franklin’s original idea. A democracy is three wolves and a lamb deciding what they are going to have for lunch. A republic is the same three wolves and a lamb voting on a representative who will decide what they are going to have for lunch. A Constitutional Republic recognizes a higher law outside of creation that those wolves cannot eat the lamb for lunch and the lamb is bearing arms (guns) for self-defense.

Founding Father Dr. Benjamin Rush said it this way, “They call it a democracy – a mobocracy in my opinion would be more proper.” A U.S. Army Training Manual stated; “Democracy, n.: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic …negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Result is demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.” This U.S. Army Training Manual was used only 70 years ago.

The two best known secular democracies in human history were Ancient Greece and The French Revolution. Our Founding Fathers studied both and saw that without recognition of a higher authority, “The Creator,” mankind was left to his own thoughts and whims which are inherently wicked. Yet today, even some of our Supreme Court justices think the blood bath of the French Revolution is a good example for America. Associate Justice Breyer said, at the 97th International Law Conference in April 2003, that maybe we should look to Paris. “Wordsworth's words, written about the French Revolution, will, I hope, still ring true: ‘Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive. But to be young was very heaven.’”

If Hillary Clinton had her way, America would do away with another check and balance; the Electoral College. Our Founding Fathers understood better than we today that absolute power corrupts absolutely. A lady asked Benjamin Franklin after the Constitutional Convention; “What kind of government have you given us, Dr. Franklin?” He replied, “A [Constitutional] Republic, ma’am if you can keep it.” In a recent presidential debate Senator Kerry and President Bush said that democracy was the only way to free the world from tyranny. That would be news to our Founders, who have seen their Constitutional Republic steadily being destroyed by the despots from within and out. Slowly, over the years, our government has not kept the checks and balances put in place by our Founding Fathers. America has replaced her unalienable rights with illegal alien rights.

Noah Webster, of Webster’s dictionary fame, warned in 1788; “Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country…As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country.” Eight years earlier, Samuel Adams, considered by many the father of American Independence, said it best: “If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation.”

Why have our foundations been destroyed? Our citizenry no longer demands high character and virtue in our leaders. Samuel Adams in 1775 said, “The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men.” In 1789, Noah Webster reiterated this: “In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate – look to his character.” Our politicians tell us today to look at everything but their character and private lives.

Over the years, America has changed its form of government mostly by permitting wars to usurp the Constitution. The Civil War that ended slavery, also ended limited federal government and allowed the Bill of Rights to be violated in time of war. The First World War started the new world order with the League of Nations, which after the Second World War evolved into the United Nations. In addition, during the Second World War, America tolerated internment of U.S. citizens. The recent terrorist attacks brought forth the Patriot Act, which takes away key portions of the Bill of Rights and allows governments to spy on our citizens without their knowledge or consent.

Article I, Section VIII of the Constitution states that we are not to have a standing Army for more than two years. Why? What happens when you build armies? You have to use them. This principle comes right out of the Bible, when God warns Moses and the Hebrews to “not multiply horses.” Israel, like America was supposed to be a peace loving nation. “Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all,” George Washington’s Farewell Address, September 19, 1796.

When John Kerry or George Bush talk about spreading democracy or nation building by waging war, Americans must question the intent of these leaders who are so strongly against the wishes of our Founding Fathers. Our Constitutional Republic is designed for Godly laws, virtuous citizens and economic prosperity. Let us return to the beliefs of our forefathers, where America can return to being that shining city on a hill that is known throughout the world as loving peace, strong on self-defense and honoring God.

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Shatter Resistant
26-09-2006, 10:05 PM
What is democracy?

It is where if you don't do as you are told, you get fined and jailed but you get to keep your head.

What is a dictatorship?

It is where if you don't do as you are told, you get jailed, tortured and probably lose your head.

The similarity is YOU MUST DO AS YOU ARE TOLD

The difference is the LOCATION OF YOUR WALLET OR HEAD IF YOU SAY NO

claire
08-10-2006, 12:57 AM
Can America survive Democracy?
yeah, it probably can.

Truth_Bringer
09-10-2006, 04:45 PM
What is democracy?

It is where if you don't do as you are told, you get fined and jailed but you get to keep your head.

What is a dictatorship?

It is where if you don't do as you are told, you get jailed, tortured and probably lose your head.

The similarity is YOU MUST DO AS YOU ARE TOLD

The difference is the LOCATION OF YOUR WALLET OR HEAD IF YOU SAY NO

Democracies and dictatorships aren't the only forms of government. The issue is that America was created as a Republic, not as a Democracy:

James Madison, known as the father of the U.S. Constitution, wrote in "Essay #10" of The Federalist Papers: "... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

“Every step...towards...democracy is an advance towards destruction. Liberty has never yet lasted long in a democracy; nor has it ever ended in anything better than despotism.” - Fisher Ames (1758-1808; Congressman)

"The use of the publication “The Constitution of the United States”, by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

((Ed. Note: TM 2000-25; Sections 118-121))
[118.]

“Democracy:

A government of the masses.

Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of ‘direct’ expression.

Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is communistic – negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

120.

Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.

Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the ‘standard form’ of government throughout the world.

((Ed. Note: This following quote from Harry Atwood is then listed in the Training Manual.)

A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of (1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy. – Atwood

121. Superior to all others. – Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Democracy is the ‘direct’ rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy, and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic.”

((Ed. Note: The above information on Training Manual 2000-25 was taken from a sheet published by “The Network of Patriotic Letter Writers”.))"

http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_republic_vs_democracy_part_2.html

PVR
10-10-2006, 01:57 PM
The distinction made between Democracy and Republic in the above discussion appears far-fetched. The Oxford dictionary says that Democracy is 'a form of government in which the people have a say in who should hold power and how it should be used' and defines a Republic as 'a state in which power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has a president rather than a monarch'

Democracy refers to the 'government' and republic refers to the 'state' - that's all. The Republic state has a Democratic form of government. America's founding father's may not have used the term Democracy but America's illustrious president Abraham Lincoln defines Democracy as 'government of the people, by the people and for the people', referring obviously to his own government.


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