How Britain is turning Christianity into a crime

[Nicholas]

How long will it be before Christianity becomes illegal in Britain? This is no longer the utterly absurd and offensive question that on first blush it would appear to be.

An evangelical Christian campaigner, Stephen Green was arrested and charged last weekend with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.

So what was this behaviour? Merely trying peacefully to hand out leaflets at a gay rally in Cardiff.

So what was printed on those leaflets that was so threatening, abusive or insulting that it attracted the full force of the law?

Why, none other than the majestic words of the 1611 King James Bible........................

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[Rachel]

This isn't christianity being made illegal. But handing out leaflets, filled with bible verses which intimidate homosexuals is of course illegal. Especially at Gay Pride!

[Nicholas]

This isn't christianity being made illegal. But handing out leaflets, filled with bible verses which intimidate homosexuals is of course illegal. Especially at Gay Pride!

And I thought Christians had a right to express their views and we still had freedom of speech in this country. Should we arrest all anti government protestors who call Blair a war criminal at demonstrations? This is another case where if your views differ from the politically correct left then you can be arrested..........:(

[Rachel]

And I thought Christians had a right to express their views and we still had freedom of speech in this country. Should we arrest all anti government protestors who call Blair a war criminal at demonstrations? This is another case where if your views differ from the politically correct left then you can be arrested..........:(

Anti-War Protesters have a hugely different point to make. They are protesting against war, and are not intimidating people. Take a read of Genesis 19, concerning the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah. It would clearly be quite harrowing stuff for a homosexual. Then theres Leviticus"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."The next verse is worse: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

And Romans 1: "Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

[Rachel]

And I thought Christians had a right to express their views and we still had freedom of speech in this country. Should we arrest all anti government protestors who call Blair a war criminal at demonstrations? This is another case where if your views differ from the politically correct left then you can be arrested..........:(

Anti-War Protesters have a hugely different point to make. They are protesting against war, and are not intimidating people. Take a read of Genesis 19, concerning the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah. It would clearly be quite harrowing stuff for a homosexual. Then theres Leviticus"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."The next verse is worse: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
These are some of the verses which may have been included on those leaflets, which intimidate and threaten homosexuals. That's freedom of speech gone too far.
And Romans 1: "Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

[Nicholas]

Anti-War Protesters have a hugely different point to make. They are protesting against war, and are not intimidating people. Take a read of Genesis 19, concerning the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah. It would clearly be quite harrowing stuff for a homosexual. Then theres Leviticus"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."The next verse is worse: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

And Romans 1: "Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."


SO? These are verses from a book which this country was founded on. Can a man of god not express his views without arrest. If someone started handing me leaflets about what a great sin it is to be a white British male , I would throw it away and probably laugh at him. Do gays have more rights to express thier views in the streets than Christians? Its a f******g shambles of a politically correct police force

[Rachel]

SO? These are verses from a book which this country was founded on. Can a man of god not express his views without arrest. If someone started handing me leaflets about what a great sin it is to be a white British male , I would throw it away and probably laugh at him. Do gays have more rights to express thier views in the streets than Christians? Its a f******g shambles of a politically correct police force

No they have equal rights. So if one party is offended it's quite right for this to happen.

[Nicholas]

No they have equal rights. So if one party is offended it's quite right for this to happen.

So if using your theory it would work like this : All members of the gay rights marches would be arrested for offending christians, All christians would be arrested for offending gays:confused:

[Rachel]

So if using your theory it would work like this : All members of the gay rights marches would be arrested for offending christians, All christians would be arrested for offending gays:confused:

No, if christians handed out leaflets threatening and intimidating gays they would be arrested. And if gays handed out leaflets threatening and intimidating christians they would be arrested.

[commentator]

The police were correct to arrest SG. His actions can be considered "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour". His decision to distribute anti-homosexual material at a Gay Pride rally cannot be seen in any other way.

I suggest that Nicholas would expect someone distributing anti-Christian material at a Christian gathering he attended to be arrested under the same charge.

I am neither a Christian nor a homosexual and have nothing against either group. However I lose respect for people such as SG who are unable to go about their lives without trying to antagonise others who do not share his views.

[kieronantony]

However I lose respect for people such as SG who are unable to go about their lives without trying to antagonise others who do not share his views.

And what about those muslims who wielded those signs of hate AGAINST Britain when those cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed were drawn and NOT published in Britain, when no offence from Britain to muslims was committed :mad: yet they still carried signs saying things like "U.K you will pay" and many more, now that is offensive to me, and I do not hesitate to say that it was offensive to almost every other man and woman in this country, so shouldn't they be arrested?
They got out of their houses and used what little brain cells they have to ANTAGONISE non-muslims, so can anyone justify their detestable actions?

[commentator]

No one can justify the actions of those you mention, and if there had only been a small number of these protesters they would have been arrested. here's a quote from a Telegraph article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/05/nflag05.xml) on the net explaining why they weren't arrested:

"As the clamour for action grew, police sources said there were no arrests on Friday because of fears of a riot. A senior Scotland Yard officer said: "We have to take the overall nature of the protesters into account. If they are overheated and emotional we don't go in.

"It's like a risk assessment; you have to look at the crowd you are dealing with. If we went in to arrest one person with a banner the crowd would turn on us and people would get hurt." "

SG at the gay rally and the Muslim protesters in london are much the same - going out of their way to antagonise people who have not done anything to provoke it. Enemies are made and the problem increases, vicious circle that currently seems unlikely to be broken while people are unable to keep themselves to themselves.

[Crowly]

Not to pick at Rachel but the more posts I read from her the more I think she's part of the reason Britain is going to hell in a handbasket.

It's the detestably spineless attitude she characterises that threatens free speech.

You must, we all must, see that free speech must go both ways. If gay people want a rally, good for them, if Christians want to make their views on it heard peacefully, they should be allowed to knock themselves out.

It is NOT discrimination to say 'I hate Islam.' It is not wrong to have an opinion whichever way it goes - that is your enshrined right as a human being as long as it doesn't adversely affect another human being's right to the same.

Outrageous.

[commentator]

You must, we all must, see that free speech must go both ways. If gay people want a rally, good for them, if Christians want to make their views on it heard peacefully, they should be allowed to knock themselves out.

good point, i had not thought of it that way. however my stance is that everyone would be better off if people didn't feel the need to criticise others' views when the people they are criticising have done nothing to them.

i couldn't give a f**k what people get up to in their own homes if it has no effect on my life, whether it be pray to Allah or gay sex. all public criticism between groups achieves is to stir up hatred, to a point such that something which might actually affect my life may occur eg 7/7 or 9/11.