Do you think Islam is a threat to the UK? [Archive] - Politics Forum and Political Blog discussing and debating political and social issues.

Nicholas

07-09-2006, 07:45 PM

Islam isn't all about Sharia Law. Just as in the UK christians don't believe all the things in the bible-like "thou shalt not hesitate to burn a witch". Sharia Law isn't compatible with the UK, but allowing muslims the freedom to worship is.

The worrying part is that most of the British born muslims who have commited atrocities or who are/were planning violent acts against the British people have been indoctrinated with anti British/western hate in British mosques. If Islam is not at fault then why have the islamic community not outed these terrorist sympathisers? Why is it that they are hell bent on forming a 'paralell' community within Britain and refuse to assimilate into mainstream british society? Britain has some of the most relaxed attitudes towards islam in the western world but in return we get violence , our women are seen as sluts and immoral, and the majority of this country are viewed in the most abhorrent way possible.

Rachel

07-09-2006, 08:04 PM

The worrying part is that most of the British born muslims who have commited atrocities or who are/were planning violent acts against the British people have been indoctrinated with anti British/western hate in British mosques. If Islam is not at fault then why have the islamic community not outed these terrorist sympathisers? Why is it that they are hell bent on forming a 'paralell' community within Britain and refuse to assimilate into mainstream british society? Britain has some of the most relaxed attitudes towards islam in the western world but in return we get violence , our women are seen as sluts and immoral, and the majority of this country are viewed in the most abhorrent way possible.

It's not the mosques that are the problem, it's extremist clerics that are purposely sent over by terrorist groups to indoctrine young muslim men. Abu Hamza is a perfect example. You may come back and say that the mosques shouldn't harbour such clerics, but most of the time they are powerless to remove the cleric from their mosques. What the government should do is to introduce legislation which barrs entry for extremist muslim clerics.

Nicholas

07-09-2006, 08:19 PM

WHY ARE THEY POWERLESS TO REMOVE THESE CLERICS? Because these clerics tell a lot of muslims what they WANT to hear. They do have legislation in place called a ' conspiracy to commit terrorism' bill. But to date not one person has ever been found guilty of this. The real question everyone should be asking is : Do we really need such a troublesome community within Britain? If the mosques are not the problem then why have undercover officers been sent into these so called ' places of worship' to infiltrate these terrorist cells? ALL TERRORIST AT THE PRESENT MOMENT ARE MUSLIM. I don't see christians,budhissts or jews violently opposing the state.

Rachel

07-09-2006, 08:26 PM

Nicholas

07-09-2006, 08:54 PM

It's not necessarily what they WANT to hear. It's more like them using things like Abu Graib or tales of Western Decadence to people who are told not to eat pork, but who then walk past McDonalds on the way back from the mosque. It's quite easy to indoctrine people if you tell them "God Wants It". Christians have done this too.

And it is members of the Islamic faith telling them that the actions they take are gods will. Islam IS the problem in this country. Muhammed lived by the sword and so do his followers..........

Rachel

07-09-2006, 09:10 PM

And it is members of the Islamic faith telling them that the actions they take are gods will. Islam IS the problem in this country. Muhammed lived by the sword and so do his followers..........

Just like King David and Saul lived by the sword, attacking the philistines. Yes, it is EXTREMIST members of the Isalmic faith telling them that the actions they take are good will. We have to deal with the EXTREMISTS, and not isolate and blame the good majority of muslims for the deeds of a handful of EXTREMISTS.

Nicholas

07-09-2006, 09:21 PM

Lord Nelson

07-09-2006, 10:12 PM

I voted yes!......No surprise there....lol.
And the reasons do not need to be explained every person in our country and the western world now knows what this so called religion of peace really stands for!

Remember not all Muslims are terrorists,but the majority of terrorists are Muslims!

Nicholas

08-09-2006, 12:12 AM

I this so called religion of peace really stands for!

i WANT ALL THESE MODERATTE MUSLIMS TO COME OUT AND SPEAK AGAINST THEIR BROTHERS:mad:

Lord Nelson

08-09-2006, 12:54 AM

i WANT ALL THESE MODERATTE MUSLIMS TO COME OUT AND SPEAK AGAINST THEIR BROTHERS:mad:I do not think that will ever happen my friend as they all share the same values and aims which is to totally Islamify the whole world.Also muslims are one of the main factors that are stirring up anti-semitic feeling in Britain at the moment which should be classed as a form of racism against the Jewish people of this country.
The Jews have a rightful place in this country,they are peaceful and have been coming to this country for centuries and do contribute to British society.
I always think of Jean Richardson who is Jewish and a BNP candidate in Epping Forest,this woman has more resolve than 10 Muslim men she is constantly abused by Muslims but always stands up for her principles and never backs down to the Islamic scum no matter how hard they try to break her........So it's three cheers for Councillor Jean Richardson the BNP's Jewish Councillor for Epping Forest.

Rachel

08-09-2006, 06:45 PM

And where are all these peace loving moderate muslims?:confused: If extermism was such a minority opinion within the muslim faith then surely the overwhelming majority would be giving up these terrorists up to the law. If there is a cleric who preaches hate and a small minority decide to act on his teachings, then what are the mojority doing then who also listened to his him?

All the peace loving muslims are normal muslims, who you don't hear about, as the right-wing tabloids only jump on stories of extremism. The muslims who you don't hear about are ones who go to their mosques, love their religion, and don't listen to extremist clerics. The majority who listen to him don't take his advice.

Rachel

08-09-2006, 07:02 PM

I do not think that will ever happen my friend as they all share the same values and aims which is to totally Islamify the whole world.Also muslims are one of the main factors that are stirring up anti-semitic feeling in Britain at the moment which should be classed as a form of racism against the Jewish people of this country.
The Jews have a rightful place in this country,they are peaceful and have been coming to this country for centuries and do contribute to British society.
I always think of Jean Richardson who is Jewish and a BNP candidate in Epping Forest,this woman has more resolve than 10 Muslim men she is constantly abused by Muslims but always stands up for her principles and never backs down to the Islamic scum no matter how hard they try to break her........So it's three cheers for Councillor Jean Richardson the BNP's Jewish Councillor for Epping Forest.

It's funny you say this. The Jews were expelled in the middle ages, as everyone thought that they were stirring hatred against christians. Why should Muslims be sidelined for the actions of the minority?

Nicholas

08-09-2006, 07:23 PM

Look what Islam is doing to the Christian minority............

Saudi Arabia deported four East African Christians last month after they were detained while leading a prayer service in Jeddah.
Arrested on June 9, the church leaders were beaten and imprisoned for more than a month in torturous conditions.

http://www.compassdirect.org/en/lead.php

The father of runaway Molly Campbell was granted interim custody of the 12-year-old in Pakistan because her mother had re-converted to Christianity.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365484-details/Father given custody of Molly - because her mother's a Christian/article.do

A prominent Berlin lawyer has gone underground after receiving death threats for defending Muslim women who have been forced into marriage.

Seyran Ates, 43, a women's rights advocate, was named Germany's woman of the year in 2005 and has repeatedly spoken out against forced marriage, headscarves and honour killings. She said she had closed her practice as she could not operate safely.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/06/wgermany06.xml

Death threats are getting nastier for Samir Qumsieh. He is the director and owner of the only private Christian TV station in Palestine. Concerned about his family and his business, he has repeatedly called on the authorities to intervene to the little avail.

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7003

Nicholas

08-09-2006, 07:42 PM

And if you dare insult Islam................

KHARTOUM (Reuters) - A sea of white-clothed mourners laid Sudanese editor Mohamed Taha to rest on Thursday after he was kidnapped and killed by unknown armed men, raising fears of a new brand of extreme violence in Sudan.
Taha's decapitated body was found dumped on a dirt road on Wednesday. He had drawn protests from Islamic groups last year by reprinting a series of articles questioning the roots of the Prophet Mohammed.
Amid cries of "There is no God but God" and "God is Greatest", thousands attended his funeral, including government ministers who sat alongside journalists and Taha's family.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-09-07T120020Z_01_L07869467_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SUDAN.xml&src=rss

Lord Nelson

08-09-2006, 08:22 PM

All the peace loving muslims are normal muslims, who you don't hear about, as the right-wing tabloids only jump on stories of extremism. The muslims who you don't hear about are ones who go to their mosques, love their religion, and don't listen to extremist clerics. The majority who listen to him don't take his advice.What like London bomber Mohammed Siddique Khan.Basically none of them can be trusted!

paulB

08-09-2006, 09:03 PM

I'm just as much opposed to Islamic fundamentalism as any of you. The whole global terrorist threat is a nightmare which needs to be tackled, but not all Muslims are terrorists or fanatics or fundamentalists.

In the middle ages when the west was languishing Islam had built a great civilisation and the revival of classical antiquity and all of its branches of knowledge came through Islam.

I have met odious Muslims and nice Muslims just as you meet good and bad Christians.

Rachel

09-09-2006, 07:48 AM

What like London bomber Mohammed Siddique Khan.Basically none of them can be trusted!

What actually is your view on this? Earlier you wrote this:
Remember not all Muslims are terrorists,but the majority of terrorists are Muslims!

and now......
Basically none of them can be trusted!

:confused:

Lord Nelson

09-09-2006, 09:44 PM

What actually is your view on this? Earlier you wrote this:
Remember not all Muslims are terrorists,but the majority of terrorists are Muslims!

and now......
Basically none of them can be trusted!

:confused:Both views are relevant unfortunately!

TellMeMore

15-09-2006, 06:29 PM

Muslims not necessarily so, but Islam itself, as has been pointed out elsewhere is a medieval religion, whose basic tenets are incompatible with modern western societies.

claire

30-09-2006, 03:25 AM

Most Muslims are peaceful people. Islam is only getting a bad reputation because of all the extremists that the media focuses on. Yes, there are many extremist and terrorists out there that follow the teachings of Islam. But, that is the minority. It is not Islam itself that is threatening the UK, it is what the small, but powerful minorities (terrorists) are interpreting the teachings.

von-Scharnhorst

30-09-2006, 08:00 AM

Most Muslims are peaceful people.... Yes, there are many extremist and terrorists out there that follow the teachings of Islam. But, that is the minority.
Show me ONE, JUST ONE of these so called "peace loving" ass holes that has EVER condemned terrorist attacks by muslims WITHOUT THE INFAMOUS "I dont agree with terrorism....BUT...."

If you do not condemn terorism out right, you suport it.

Case proved.

claire

30-09-2006, 04:29 PM

I've known many, but I'm not going to introduce you to them.

Golem_Ryder

30-09-2006, 05:42 PM

Islam wouldn't be a threat to anyone if people wernt so stupid and didnt interpret things in such bizaare ways. Same goes for any belief system. The most dangerous people in the world are those who think they know alot, yet don't.

Those people will fight for their false conception of the world no matter what. They are the kind of people who hear something and immediatly think it is true, without questioning the source. When roused, they are a powerul force. Sadly, most people fall into this category, that is why democracy has and always will fail to achieve its goals.

von-Scharnhorst

30-09-2006, 09:18 PM

I've known many, but I'm not going to introduce you to them.
That is a pity, because I would like to meet them, or at least hear what they had to say. If you are correct, then I remain gratefull to them. It is a fact that personaly I have never heard their voices as yet.

I would like to hear them get much stronger. It could serve as a foundation for better understanding between our three cultures.

Nicholas

30-09-2006, 10:07 PM

I've known many, but I'm not going to introduce you to them.

I know many muslims. Many have a hatred of America and Britain. I knew a muslim girl who moved cities just so her parents knew she wasn't going out with a white guy(and this is not uncommon). How many muslim girls do you actually see with white boyfriends or husbands? Unfortunately you see many white girls with muslim men paraded round like some sort of trophy. Hipocritical - DEFINITELY.

von-Scharnhorst

30-09-2006, 10:16 PM

Perhaps white men have more common sense?

claire

03-10-2006, 09:32 PM

There is some unfairness between sexes in Islam. But, it isn't as extreme as the media makes it out to be.

Crowly

03-10-2006, 09:49 PM

You've obviously never read about Sharia law.

claire

04-10-2006, 04:48 AM

You've obviously never read about Sharia law.

True, I haven't read about it up until this point. But, you have to admit the media does blow it up.

Crowly

04-10-2006, 10:45 AM

von-Scharnhorst

04-10-2006, 02:24 PM

There is some unfairness between sexes in Islam. But, it isn't as extreme as the media makes it out to be.

BOLLOCKS!

What is sharia law?
(Filed: 19/02/2006)
Sharia law is "the path that must be followed by a Muslim".
It brings together elements from the Koran and the Hadith (a collection of the deeds and words of Mohammed), plus judges' rulings from Islam's first centuries. It was fixed by about the 10th century, and contains detailed instructions for practically every aspect of life.

In the West, it is most famous for its penal code: the prescribed punishments for sexual offences, which include stoning; for theft, which include amputation; and for apostasy, for which the punishment is death.
Much more important for most Muslims, however, are the parts of sharia that relate to the status of women, to contracts and to family law.

These include provisions that allow men several wives and that enshrine, in law, the inferiority of women.

Women can be divorced merely by their husbands reciting "I divorce you" three times; their testimony is worth less than that of men; and they cannot marry a non-Muslim man - although it is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman.
It is parts of sharia such as these that come into immediate conflict with Britain's secular law, which is committed to treating all citizens equally. But it is those provisions which Muslim clerics most want to cordon off from any secular influence. And the fact that to bring a charge of rape a woman must have FOUR MALE WITNESSES TO THE ACT. IF NOT SHE IS IMPRISONED, OR EVEN; AS IN SAUDI STONED TO DEATH, AND MANY OTHER MUSLIM STATES HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY FOR "IMMORAL CONDUCT" AS WELL. BUT ONLY THE WOMEN CAN BE SENTENCED TO DEATH, THE MEN GET A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN PRISON, IF THEY ARE REALLY UNLUCKY AND GET A STRICT JUDGE.

claire

05-10-2006, 01:01 AM

How do you know? You can't say it's exaggerated if you don't know what it is like.

Depending on the country, women are oppressed to a differing degree. From being forced to wear the hijab to being unable to leave the house without a male family member with them.

If anything the media is scared to confront the negative aspects of Islam, fearing hate crimes and all that guff.

I guess that you're right. How do I know? I only compare both sides of the stories I see.

but, I do disagree with the fact that the media is scared to confront this. I've seen so many articles about the opression of women in Islam.

Plus, to anyone who reads this I really like www.understandingislam.org

Crowly

05-10-2006, 02:11 AM

Don't be suckered into thinking that if you are anti-Islam, you are pro-right wing.

claire

07-10-2006, 07:09 PM

What does that mean?

von-Scharnhorst

07-10-2006, 11:34 PM

Meaning, I supose, thatas I have said on another thread, the biggest shower of obnoxious rascist bastards I have ever met were at trad union meetings, and in the local Labour party social clubs around U.K.

Which is saying something, because I was a member of the National Front for three years, in my twentys.

claire

08-10-2006, 12:41 AM

What is a trad union meeting?

von-Scharnhorst

08-10-2006, 12:51 AM

Hmmm. Obviously NOT where they teach you to spell. :D

That should be TRADE Union meeting. Sorry for any conffussion.

claire

08-10-2006, 01:02 AM

yeah...I still don't know what that is...

von-Scharnhorst

08-10-2006, 11:02 AM

O.k. In the U.S they used to have the "Teamsters" to brake up workers rights groups, if I understand it right.

These workers rights groups are the Unions.

They ar4e the ones that call the workers out on strike for better pay and conditions and all that.

Most of them purport to be Socialist, or even openly communist.

They were virtually single handedly responsible for the rise of the British Labour party.

zoobee2

08-10-2006, 04:15 PM

what? Unions are groups of ppl that get together and typically pay dues to be a member. they do things like strike for worker's rights, such as working hours, better pay, better benefits, medical coverage, etc. Unless you are a government employee, then you are not legally allowed to strike.

tho in the current state of affairs, unions are pretty damn pointless. Especially if you are a gov worker. SCABS are those that are hired to replace striking unioners. none of them as far as im aware in the US are socialist or communist. most of the ppl in blue collar jobs are either members of or are represented by the union. i doubt they are all commies.

and its not that Islam is not compatiable w society, its not compatiable w advanced civilization. which is prob the same thing for most of us. but anyways, its like they are stuck in time somewhere around 1650, burning women as witches for speaking their minds. maybe earlier, depending on your country.

i tell you, saying I divorce you 3 times would have made my first marriage a lot easier. LOL oh wait, im a woman, right. no rights. (dammit)

claire

08-10-2006, 04:18 PM

There are alot more steps than saying I divorce you three times.

von-Scharnhorst

08-10-2006, 04:28 PM

none of them as far as im aware in the US are socialist or communist.
A good 90% of "the old school" unionists will quite proudly tell you that they used to be members of the Communist party, or Socialist workers party etc.

Cheap holdays, subsidised by the union, to Cuba, East Germany, Russia, were the norm.

It was T******r that put an end to any power they had in U.K. Now they just roll over and do clever tricks for the bosses on demand.

In U.K the only ones not allowed to strike are the police and armed forces. Everything else, including doctors, firemen, ambulkance drivers, can do what they like.

zoobee2

08-10-2006, 04:34 PM

ambulence drivers and firemen can strike? geez. essential services are not allowed to strike here. you can get put in prison for doing so, and the union legally disbanded.

von-Scharnhorst

08-10-2006, 05:08 PM

Aye. The Merseyside (Liverpool, U.K) fire brigade were on strike just last week.

stevectaylor

21-10-2006, 05:25 AM

You cannot blame the relegion on a few radicals.

Crowly

21-10-2006, 08:53 AM

haha. 'Few' radicals is the biggest misconception since King Canute.

zoobee2

21-10-2006, 07:44 PM

Soon everyone will be extremists, on one side or the other. THEN WHAT

Crowly

21-10-2006, 07:46 PM

Then Enoch Powell will finally be proved right.

kieronantony

21-10-2006, 09:31 PM

Enoch Powell was always right, he didn't need the proof, unfortunately for him though Labour and the Tories dominated politics, press and everything else, therefore after they had blasted him no one else could care less what he though, although he had some listeners among those in the National Front.

claire

21-10-2006, 09:49 PM

what's the other side?

White Phoenix

21-10-2006, 09:55 PM

are multiple votes allowed?

Nicholas

21-10-2006, 09:59 PM

Not that I am aware of

White Phoenix

21-10-2006, 10:00 PM

This is what we've waited for,
this is it boys, this is war.

crowly, what does this mean?

White Phoenix

21-10-2006, 10:02 PM

kieronantony,

vote early, vote often?

Shatter Resistant

22-10-2006, 09:01 PM

Islam IS a threat because the terrorists are Islamic extremists. So if, for argument sakes, .0001% of all Muslims are terroists, and say there are 1 million Muslims in the UK, then 100 are terrosits.

So what do you do?

1) Allow Muslims to live here, you'll have an element of terrosists.

2) Ship them all out, you won't have any terrorists.

You can do one or the other. Obviously alot of people, including the Government go for option one. How on earth would you get rid of Islamic terrorists? Impossible. So they will always be this threat. And because they are Islamic extremists, then Islam is a threat.

We live in a society where we discriminate against the majority to please the minority. Laws and rules are changed because of a few which makes the majority suffer. So why is this not happening to Muslims and deporting them all? Because of the minority Islamic bombers, the majority (Muslims) should suffer. No, hang on, we Brits are.

kieronantony

22-10-2006, 11:28 PM

kieronantony,

vote early, vote often?

erm... what?:confused:

kieronantony

27-10-2006, 01:30 PM

Right so he [White Pheonix] is banned, can anyone else tell me what he was talking about?

claire

27-10-2006, 09:18 PM

I don't think anyone knows what he was talking about.

Back2reality

28-10-2006, 01:40 PM

It's funny you say this. The Jews were expelled in the middle ages, as everyone thought that they were stirring hatred against christians. Why should Muslims be sidelined for the actions of the minority?

The Jews were distorting the culture of Britain and in fact the culture we have in Britain now is largely becoming a One World culture as Jewish influence is rife throughout the west (for good or for bad depending on your standpoint). Muslims also have an influence on our culture - unless they are removed we will find that their influence is the strongest. All women can be expected to be wearing the veil within a few decades maximum.

Muslims that don't obey Sharia law are not proper Muslims. It is Christian to love thy enemy - but don't expect Muslims to be Christian. Their religion advocates in conversion by the sword . The enemy-loving Christians don't stand a chance against that. So its a good thing that most people who claim to be Christians are not true to Jesus' word and will be fighting to prevent Britain becoming a Muslim nation.

I should think any Jews in the BNP are chiefly motivated by the fear of Britain becoming an Islamic nuclear power in the near future (a military enemy to Israel and an uncomfortable place for Jews to live in) and feel that only the BNP is standing up against this. But most Jews would actually like to do unspeakable things to BNP supporters - and one can never be sure if any that join are doing so for less than honest reasons. (They must be judged on their actions).

kieronantony

28-10-2006, 03:46 PM

The BNP have nothing against Jews, in fact one of the BNP's councillors is Jewish.

Back2reality

28-10-2006, 06:22 PM

The BNP have nothing against Jews, in fact one of the BNP's councillors is Jewish.

Did you read what I said? I know there are Jews in the BNP. Also I said it was more that Jews have something against the BNP.

Did you know that there is a lot of opposition to the BNP which is extremely rabidly hostile? And did you know that a lot of that hostility is from Jews who hate the BNP and organise opposition to the BNP more than any other interest group does?

Therefore a Jew who joins the BNP is either very brave (because their own people will call them a traitor) or else is up to no good. Which one they are will depend on their actions - but caution would be wise don't you think?
Is there a flaw in this logic?

von-Scharnhorst

29-10-2006, 04:58 AM

Did you know that there is a lot of opposition to the BNP which is extremely rabidly hostile? And did you know that a lot of that hostility is from Jews who hate the BNP and organise opposition to the BNP more than any other interest group does?
This statement needs proof.

Figures? publication data?

Wild unfounded comments such as thios are liable to be deleted.

Back2reality

29-10-2006, 05:32 PM

This statement needs proof.

Figures? publication data?

Wild unfounded comments such as thios are liable to be deleted.

"Jewish mobilization against the BNP, which itself does not mention Jews and
actually has an elected secular Jewish councilor, is reaching feverish pitch
for the forthcoming local elections in that country, with the Jewish Board
of Deputies indirectly funding a massive literature campaign against that
party through its proxy 'Searchlight' organization."
http://www.gatago.com/alt/revisionism/10673674.html

"Wild unfounded comments"?

kieronantony

29-10-2006, 05:57 PM

These organisations are too small to have an impact on British politics in general.

King Gregory

29-10-2006, 09:08 PM

These organisations are too small to have an impact on British politics in general.

I would say they have the same impact on British politics as the BNP-very little. As we all can see, the liblabcon dominate British politics. On each side of the spectrum you have parties like the BNP, Respect, UKIP etc which, admittedly, hold some influence but never enough to win influence in the commons. It is quite obvious that at the next general election the main players will either be Labour and the Conservatives, and so a vote for the BNP will be as good as a wasted vote. Use your vote wisely, and don't go for extremism.

I voted no for this vote. Islam does pose a threat to the UK, but can be easily combated. Progessive policies in intergration and social welfare, and a rethink of our foreign policy will help to curb the rise of islamic extremism. We find at the moment that most extremist muslims in the UK are "homegrown"-second generation imigrants-who see many social problems around them, and turn to their religion as an answer. As an atheist, I'm against this. The state needs to do more to win back the support of its disillusioned populace, whatever their race, religion or status.

Lord Nelson

29-10-2006, 09:30 PM

Back2reality

29-10-2006, 09:58 PM

These organisations are too small to have an impact on British politics in general.

Not according to these Muslims!

http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/britain/britjewpolitics.htm

"An Imperium in Imperio is a state within a state, and such a body is illegal under the British Constitution. The most powerful Imperium in Imperio in Britain today is the Board of Deputies of British Jews. This is effectively a parliament of Jews and it actively influences our laws, not least because it has bought our government."
And I have to say I agree.

(Of course Muslims are fine if they stay in their own countries - although that would be rather unislamic of them....).

King Gregory

29-10-2006, 10:21 PM

A very political correct reply my friend........"Islam does pose a threat to the U.K ,but can be easily combatted......How???????????

Remember we are talking about homegrown extreme Muslim Fundamentalists here!

Progressive social policies in education, social welfare and investment in local communties, together with talks with muslim leaders would all help. The work that the Respect Party is achieving is admirable, but it should be government priority to ensure our national security is safeguarded by paying attention to this issue.

Lord Nelson

29-10-2006, 10:43 PM

Progressive social policies in education, social welfare and investment in local communties, together with talks with muslim leaders would all help. The work that the Respect Party is achieving is admirable, but it should be government priority to ensure our national security is safeguarded by paying attention to this issue.I see what you are saying but to make your plan work integration amongst the communities must be successful and I am afraid to say this is not the case,and remember the Muslims are doing their best to be even more separate from the indigenous population.

King Gregory

29-10-2006, 10:45 PM

I see what you are saying but to make your plan work integration amongst the communities must be successful and I am afraid to say this is not the case,and remember the Muslims are doing their best to be even more separate from the indigenous population.

How are they doing this? I can't see why this would be favourable to them; distancing themselves from the state creates life harder for all of us. We need to accept that Islam is part of the fabric of our society, and because of this we need to respect the sensivity of our muslim populace.

von-Scharnhorst

29-10-2006, 11:14 PM

How are they doing this? I can't see why this would be favourable to them; distancing themselves from the state creates life harder for all of us. We need to accept that Islam is part of the fabric of our society, and because of this we need to respect the sensivity of our muslim populace.

Why the HEL should we respect THEIR "sensitivity"?????
There are Turkish, here in Berlin that were born here as where their parents. Yet they STILL refuse to speak German, they refuse to call themselves German. "Where you from?"..answer "Turkey",. These people have never been to Turkey in their life, nor have a lot of the parents. They demand translators at the welfare office, AND get them!!!

Then they demand that German institutions like pubs in "their" areas close because the selling of alkohol is offensive to muslims. Two weeks later these said closed down pubs are reopened by the very people that complained as Kebab shops, or local stores, selling... you guessed it beers wines and spirits.

"Demanding" that Women walking through "their areas, wear head scarves. By demanding sharia banking and family law....etc.

They HATE the country they are in, you can hear them any night on T.V, or on the radio, saying how they hate France, Garmany, Holland, wherever they happen to be. They voice publicly their desire for an uprising against the countrys in which they live. They want to destroy everything about the country.

No they are not French, German whatever. To be "of a country" implies a duty of respect to that country and it's culture. They are exactly the opposite.

If you go to another mans house you do not shit behind the T.V. THEY are doing that and expect US to shovel it up.

Lord Nelson

29-10-2006, 11:18 PM

kieronantony

30-10-2006, 12:07 AM

I would say they have the same impact on British politics as the BNP-very little. As we all can see, the liblabcon dominate British politics.

If this is true why is it that the media are constantly writing articles about them? Why is it that politicians like David Cameron are telling people not to vote for them? It's because they're either against them or they agree with them, I seem to recall a pole that said 25% of people have considered voting BNP, would you call 25% of the country small? Is 15 million people nothing to you? Also the mainstream parties are trying to keep parties like the BNP out of the way, with some oddly effective ways, it seems funny that the BNP's policies and views have virtually never changed, yet now the mainstream parties are talking about headscarfs, immigration and extremism, yes they are discreetly copying the views of the BNP to win back support.

Islam does pose a threat to the UK, but can be easily combated.

Well, firstly, you've contradicted yourself in that statement, and secondly, you sound clever but you don't think it, Islam does not pose a threat to the U.K? Need I remind you of... erm... everything that's happened over the last 6 years? 7/7? 9/11? THE WAR ON TERROR? And if you think it's only the extremists we should worry about your sadly mistaken, have you heard of the Qu'ran, well there are hundreds of references to what we would now call terrorism, in fact in one part it mentions that war is OK if it is a holy war (Jihad) that spreads the cause of Islam.

socialismo

30-10-2006, 12:44 AM

If this is true why is it that the media are constantly writing articles about them?

The media are currently using the BNP to have a pop at the mainstream parties. When the time is right the media will knock them off the podium they created.

King Gregory

30-10-2006, 01:40 PM

If this is true why is it that the media are constantly writing articles about them?
The BNP always attract negative media attention-whether it be through outrageous comments, absurd policies or through the actions of their leader. Media attention isn't always good.
Why is it that politicians like David Cameron are telling people not to vote for them? It's because they're either against them or they agree with them, I seem to recall a pole that said 25% of people have considered voting BNP, would you call 25% of the country small?
Is 15 million people nothing to you? Also the mainstream parties are trying to keep parties like the BNP out of the way, with some oddly effective ways, it seems funny that the BNP's policies and views have virtually never changed, yet now the mainstream parties are talking about headscarfs, immigration and extremism, yes they are discreetly copying the views of the BNP to win back support.

Cameron is simply warning people that voting for extremist parties will not help the state or themselves. We basically have a three party system, and there are only two contenders for government. Where did this Poll come from?
I can tell you that at the last general election the BNP only recieved 192,746 votes, and had a small swing of 0.5%, and failed to win a single seat. So you can tell me all you want about your 15 million people considering voting, but the fact is that not even half a million actually vote.

Well, firstly, you've contradicted yourself in that statement, and secondly, you sound clever but you don't think it, Islam does not pose a threat to the U.K? Need I remind you of... erm... everything that's happened over the last 6 years? 7/7? 9/11? THE WAR ON TERROR? And if you think it's only the extremists we should worry about your sadly mistaken, have you heard of the Qu'ran, well there are hundreds of references to what we would now call terrorism, in fact in one part it mentions that war is OK if it is a holy war (Jihad) that spreads the cause of Islam.

And what do you think caused 7/7 and 9/11? Muslims deciding to have a dig at some westerners? Yes, we have a problem. But it's only going to get worse if we choose to ignore the root causes and rely on our over-stretched police force to protect us. The BNP need to realise that denouncing islam as an evil religion is going to give muslims more incentives to attack. My personal belief is that if we pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan and stopped supporting the US the problem would disappear. This is why prior to 2003 we have never had a problem with islamic extremism.

King Gregory

30-10-2006, 01:43 PM

Why the HEL should we respect THEIR "sensitivity"?????

Because they are citizens of our country, and regardless of their views they have a right not be offended or insulted by others. Respecting the sensitivity of muslims will help solve the problem of extremism.

von-Scharnhorst

30-10-2006, 02:30 PM

They also have a duty to abide by the laws and customs of the land in which they live. If they do not lioke it, they know where the nearest plane out leaves from.

Nicholas

30-10-2006, 03:53 PM

The BNP always attract negative media attention-whether it be through outrageous comments, absurd policies or through the actions of their leader. Media attention isn't always good..

The BNP has thrived on its negative image portrayed by the media especially in the tabloid press. As Nick Griffin once said ' the tabloid press are our biggest recruiters'

Cameron is simply warning people that voting for extremist parties will not help the state or themselves. We basically have a three party system, and there are only two contenders for government. Where did this Poll come from?
I can tell you that at the last general election the BNP only recieved 192,746 votes, and had a small swing of 0.5%, and failed to win a single seat. So you can tell me all you want about your 15 million people considering voting, but the fact is that not even half a million actually vote. .

In the next election you will see these figures triple at the minimum. The BNP plan on fielding at least 4 times the amount of candidates. The reason the BNP may not win a seat is because the blatantly unfair system of first past the post which stifles the smaller parties. Cameron fears the BNP and its hardline policies which many see as neo conservative. Especially in regard to immigration and crime. Although our economic policies are undoubtedly left wing many policies are fertile ground for disaffected tory voters.Cameron seems a bit of a wimp as far as I concerned. He seems to want to avoid all the usual policies of the conservatives such as immigration,tax and a hardline on crime. I just hope the electorate figure him out as Blairite before the next election

And what do you think caused 7/7 and 9/11? Muslims deciding to have a dig at some westerners? Yes, we have a problem. But it's only going to get worse if we choose to ignore the root causes and rely on our over-stretched police force to protect us. The BNP need to realise that denouncing islam as an evil religion is going to give muslims more incentives to attack. My personal belief is that if we pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan and stopped supporting the US the problem would disappear. This is why prior to 2003 we have never had a problem with islamic extremism.

And what do you suggest appeasement? trying to understand the enemy while they try and blow up innocent Brits? The threat from muslims does not just come from violence but from our constant appeasement of their way of life and its encroachment on our western values and ideals.

kieronantony

30-10-2006, 04:54 PM

The BNP always attract negative media attention-whether it be through outrageous comments, absurd policies or through the actions of their leader. Media attention isn't always good.

How is an article that says that a quarter of people vote BNP negative?

My personal belief is that if we pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan and stopped supporting the US the problem would disappear.

Are you aware that the BNP wish to pull out of Iraq as well, yet you just slammed the BNP as having outrageous policies.

King Gregory

30-10-2006, 06:08 PM

How is an article that says that a quarter of people vote BNP negative?

Well, thats a matter of opinion. In an open mind it's not, but I'm worried that people so easily fall for extremism.

Are you aware that the BNP wish to pull out of Iraq as well, yet you just slammed the BNP as having outrageous policies.
Yes, every party apart from labour is pro-withdrawal. The BNP want to withdraw from Iraq for different reasons, though.

King Gregory

30-10-2006, 06:18 PM

The BNP has thrived on its negative image portrayed by the media especially in the tabloid press. As Nick Griffin once said ' the tabloid press are our biggest recruiters'

If a party depends on negative tabloid press to recruit, it must be bad!

In the next election you will see these figures triple at the minimum. The BNP plan on fielding at least 4 times the amount of candidates. The reason the BNP may not win a seat is because the blatantly unfair system of first past the post which stifles the smaller parties. Cameron fears the BNP and its hardline policies which many see as neo conservative. Especially in regard to immigration and crime. Although our economic policies are undoubtedly left wing many policies are fertile ground for disaffected tory voters.Cameron seems a bit of a wimp as far as I concerned. He seems to want to avoid all the usual policies of the conservatives such as immigration,tax and a hardline on crime. I just hope the electorate figure him out as Blairite before the next election
I think it's common knowledge that if we had PR there would have been no single party in power since 1945. I think first-past-the-post may not be fair, but it creates stable government, which is the priority.

We heard at the Local Elections that the BNP might come out victorious, but that was a blowout-only 80 councillors! This compares to more than 300 new Conservatives councillors, the party who you say whose members are being drawn towards the BNP! I'm not prepared to accept that the BNP will even win a single seat at the next election.

Cameron's main policies are at present restoring the economy, rebuilding public services, tackling social injustice, taking responsability for the enviroment and ensuring national security. These seem good policies to me. Cameron's leadership has seen nearly 25,000 new members in the last few months. I'm not alone in my support.

And what do you suggest appeasement? trying to understand the enemy while they try and blow up innocent Brits? The threat from muslims does not just come from violence but from our constant appeasement of their way of life and its encroachment on our western values and ideals.

Explain then why there were no attacks on the UK prior to 2003, and why France, a country which discriminates against muslims, has not been attacked or threatened?

von-Scharnhorst

30-10-2006, 07:15 PM

France was bombed directly after the U.S bombed Libya.

THAT was before 2003 REMEMBER?

Slightly ironic, as France was the only country that had refused the U.S air force "overfly" permission.

And what would you call last years riots?

Nicholas

30-10-2006, 08:11 PM

I think it's common knowledge that if we had PR there would have been no single party in power since 1945. I think first-past-the-post may not be fair, but it creates stable government, which is the priority.?

Most countries which do have PR end up with coalition governments. I Personally see it as fairer than having a three party political system. The policies of the three main parties have become so blurred within the last 10 years or so I don't think it would make much difference which of these were in power.

We heard at the Local Elections that the BNP might come out victorious, but that was a blowout-only 80 councillors! This compares to more than 300 new Conservatives councillors, the party who you say whose members are being drawn towards the BNP! I'm not prepared to accept that the BNP will even win a single seat at the next election.?

Seeing as though the BNP actually only stood just over 350 councillors and 53 achieved seats its a positive sign. I realise that the BNP by conservative standards are a very small party but we are growing at a steady rate and are now the fifth Largest political party in England. The BNP have a fairly good chance that they will achieve seats in the east of London and possibly in the Oldham ,Bradford and leeds area. Our aim has always been to achieve a member of parliament so that we have a platform to build on and a voice in westminster. I was once a tory voter and have met many ex tories who now are members or vote for the BNP. The main bulk of our voters though are white working class voters mainly who used to vote Labour.

Cameron's main policies are at present restoring the economy, rebuilding public services, tackling social injustice, taking responsability for the enviroment and ensuring national security. These seem good policies to me. Cameron's leadership has seen nearly 25,000 new members in the last few months. I'm not alone in my support.

I just cannot see this touchy feely old Etonian being a strong leader. Bring back Thatcher any day! I always thought the conservative was about conserving our British way of life and culture - a point which seems lost to Cameron. Camerons way of tackling anti social behaviour : HUG A HOODIE.(this must have had the traditionalists cringing) A BNP government would bring back corporal punishment and secure facilities like borstals to take these toe rags out of society. Also our policy of national service would instill a much needed sense of discipline , order and respect within society.

Explain then why there were no attacks on the UK prior to 2003, and why France, a country which discriminates against muslims, has not been attacked or threatened?

Muslims have been constantly attacking French police and have declared an 'intifada' against law and order in France. Le Pen and his front National party allmost beat Chirac in the last presidential elections - on a election campaign warning about the dangers of islam and its followers and a very tough stance on immigration.

von-Scharnhorst

30-10-2006, 08:27 PM

I always thought the conservative was about conserving our British way of life and culture
It's also another word for "Pickling". Hmmmm.

King Gregory

30-10-2006, 09:33 PM

Most countries which do have PR end up with coalition governments. I Personally see it as fairer than having a three party political system. The policies of the three main parties have become so blurred within the last 10 years or so I don't think it would make much difference which of these were in power.
Regardless of party policy, coalition governments rarely hold much influence and cause great problems. If PR was applied in the UK legislation would never get through, and the small benefit of having minority parties in parliament would be forgetten compared to the huge political problems that would be created.

Seeing as though the BNP actually only stood just over 350 councillors and 53 achieved seats its a positive sign. I realise that the BNP by conservative standards are a very small party but we are growing at a steady rate and are now the fifth Largest political party in England. The BNP have a fairly good chance that they will achieve seats in the east of London and possibly in the Oldham ,Bradford and leeds area. Our aim has always been to achieve a member of parliament so that we have a platform to build on and a voice in westminster. I was once a tory voter and have met many ex tories who now are members or vote for the BNP. The main bulk of our voters though are white working class voters mainly who used to vote Labour.

The old tory policies are the ones which caused the labour landslide of 1997. A steady BNP growth rate? The BNP got a 0.5% swing at the last election. If this is a steady growth rate, we can be sure that there will be no BNP MPs! East London is a predominantly ethnically diverse area. Somehow I don't think the BNP will be doing too well there-remember cable street?

I just cannot see this touchy feely old Etonian being a strong leader. Bring back Thatcher any day! I always thought the conservative was about conserving our British way of life and culture - a point which seems lost to Cameron. Camerons way of tackling anti social behaviour : HUG A HOODIE.(this must have had the traditionalists cringing) A BNP government would bring back corporal punishment and secure facilities like borstals to take these toe rags out of society. Also our policy of national service would instill a much needed sense of discipline , order and respect within society.
Corporal punishment? Do you honestly think that would work? That would make matters much worse...a return to the society of the past might seem a good idea, but at the social stage this country is at national service is out of the question.

Nicholas

30-10-2006, 10:06 PM

Lord Nelson

30-10-2006, 10:17 PM

First of all - The BNP are not the BUF. The BNP are nationalists not Fascists. I'll take all the rest of the subtle digs on the chin. i plan on standing in a predominantly conservative ward , will be looking forward to it. Yep the BNP are definately not the BUF like Nicholas has stated we are nationalists and not fascists..........Oh and good luck Nicholas if you finally decide to stand in your local ward I know you have been thinking of doing this for some time and I think you would make a great candidate for the BNP......Go for it mate!

Back2reality

31-10-2006, 09:21 AM

Nicholas

31-10-2006, 11:35 AM

I am impressed that you are planning to stand for the BNP Nicholas. :)

The BNP do have a big impact on politics. The larger parties have to bear in mind that they don't wish the public to vote BNP and so they have to devise their own manifesto policies with an eye on what policies are the biggest BNP vote winners. Therefore there is a regular tendency to "play the race card". Any announcements that sound as though they are tough on immigrants are done, not because the mainstream politicians really want to say such things, but because they are afraid that the BNP will capitialise if they do not.

Even Jack Straw's recent kerfuffle about the veil can be seen as trying to reassure an element of Labour voters (who might have been considering defection) that they are capable of being accused of "racism" (lol) by Muslims as easily as the BNP are. They just want to keep it at a low level that doesn't upset the applecart. It all seems like a charade to me.

Jack Straw knows that in his Blackburn constituency - his white working class voters are slowly starting to vote BNP. The BNP were the official opposition in Oldham in 2003 - albeit for a brief time- which is not that far away from Blackburn. The BNP fielded its record number of candidates around the Blackburn area in the last election. If you analyse most voting trends you will see that the BNP are mainly chipping away at the Labour vote. Even John Reids charade of limiting the number of romanian and Bulgarian workers can also be seen as a policy designed at wooing back potential BNP voters. Its bloody amazing - how can you limit the amount of romanians and bulgarians when we have a complete open border policy with these countries.

kieronantony

31-10-2006, 05:50 PM

I think it's common knowledge that if we had PR there would have been no single party in power since 1945. I think first-past-the-post may not be fair, but it creates stable government, which is the priority.

Then you must be aware we had a coalition government in the early 40's, which is also during wartime, and it didn't seem that hectic to me. (Not that I was alive during WW2)

King Gregory

31-10-2006, 09:13 PM

Then you must be aware we had a coalition government in the early 40's, which is also during wartime, and it didn't seem that hectic to me. (Not that I was alive during WW2)

During WW2 the members of the commons were united in a common purpose-protecting our liberty, and not party politics. Wartime then was much different than wartime now.

King Gregory

31-10-2006, 09:18 PM

First of all - The BNP are not the BUF. The BNP are nationalists not Fascists. I'll take all the rest of the subtle digs on the chin. i plan on standing in a predominantly conservative ward , will be looking forward to it.

Yes, sorry that was a cheap shot.
But I seriously doubt you'll make any gains in East London-a much fought over place, with Respect trying to win more, Labour trying to win back, and the BNP trying to arrive.

Good luck with standing for the BNP. I hope to stand myself (but not for the BNP) one day.

Nicholas

31-10-2006, 09:31 PM

Yes, sorry that was a cheap shot.
But I seriously doubt you'll make any gains in East London-a much fought over place, with Respect trying to win more, Labour trying to win back, and the BNP trying to arrive.

Good luck with standing for the BNP. I hope to stand myself (but not for the BNP) one day.

In wards where the BNP have stood we have consistently beat the tories and the Lib Dems. Respect stand in wards with a very high ethnic populations hence the very pro Islamic and anti white rhetoric and highly anti semitic(Jewish) overtones. The BNP target wards with white working class voters. Labour have already started an offensive with front organisations like searchlight and the anti nazi league. But they did this before the previous elections and we still made good ground. The problem with labour in the east end is that they have disenfranchised the white vote by flooding the areas with third worlders and asylum seekers. People have seen how their areas have been run down by years of labour councils and MPs and realise its time for a change.

King Gregory

31-10-2006, 09:49 PM

People have seen how their areas have been run down by years of labour councils and MPs and realise its time for a change.

Exactly the message Cameron is saying!

Nicholas

31-10-2006, 10:27 PM

Exactly the message Cameron is saying!

Well he is right!!:)

von-Scharnhorst

01-11-2006, 08:20 AM

Exactly the message Cameron is saying!
Aye. And he will keep saying it until the next elections are over. Then he will revert to just being a prick again.

Plus are there any white voters LEFT to vote BNP in the East end?

kieronantony

01-11-2006, 06:03 PM

I think London is one of the most ethnically diverse millionaire cities in the world, I have a friend from Hackney who tells me that there is an ever growing population of RUSSIANS in his area, also my history teacher, who is actually a communist strangely enough, has noticed a high rise in the number of Aussies in his area, West Ham. And now all the polish and lithuanians coming over is adding more nationalities to the mix.

von-Scharnhorst

01-11-2006, 09:37 PM

Back2reality

02-11-2006, 10:50 AM

I do not mind the racial mix. So long as they accept that they are living in a different culture, and respect that.

It is when they come to U.K, and Germany, and try to change centuries old ways of life, that the problems start.

Racial diversity can only be maintained by geographical separation of the races (or whatever other ethnic term one wishes to use). The intention with flooding white countries with other ethnicities is to destroy ethnic identity. All the better to make us all good slaves. It goes as far as them wishing us to destroy even family identity - which is achieved by a low birth rate and the fashion to have more than one partner in ones life (family breakdown). Rootless, raceless individuals pose no threat.

The far Left supports all these policies yet Capitalism reaps the profits thereof. Really they are 2 sides of the same coin.

King Gregory

02-11-2006, 01:26 PM

Aye. And he will keep saying it until the next elections are over. Then he will revert to just being a prick again.

Plus are there any white voters LEFT to vote BNP in the East end?

Yes, my Grandmother's family are historically from the east end and there are plenty of white people there, although they may be in minority.
Incidentally, why does the race of voters in the east end matter so much?

von-Scharnhorst

02-11-2006, 02:23 PM

Incidentally, why does the race of voters in the east end matter so much?

Ask them. It is not me trying to impose my will on their way of life.

Lathyrus

19-01-2007, 05:08 PM

Yes, my Grandmother's family are historically from the east end and there are plenty of white people there, although they may be in minority.
Incidentally, why does the race of voters in the east end matter so much?

Simply put, the east end is now a ghetto. I know, because I am one.

mightyatom-

02-07-2007, 01:58 AM

Greetings,

Dont you think its time that we learned to utilise all skills available from all sources , integration can be a good thing for it can only lead to knowledge through both wrong choices and correct choices . The important factor is to appreciate what made britain great in the first place , morals and ideals some of the greatest humans alive have lived at our doorsteps and change and improvisation has been key.
The future could be good but all people need to educate themselves to intergrate properly , in time this will raise the question of religion and the farse that it is, by having more than one belief in this world nullifies all,

in my opinion religion will be forced to answer the questions never asked but lurking at the heart of a situation like this. ! and do you know what its answer will be ...... ?

raiderwig

02-07-2007, 03:19 AM

Islam is completely incompatible with western values and ideals. This country is founded on Christian democratic principles which is totally at odds with Islamic philosophy.

Unfortunately the above statement is true!!!! I'm not sure that these two Religion's will ever be able to live in the same Country and be peacefull at the same time.
Maybe this experiment called "freedom of Religion" has failed?:o.
Maybe Country's need to re-think this idea? It seems to only cause problems day in and day out!!
I don't believe that there is any harm in a country banning certain Religion's if they feel it is just.
Take for example "devil worshiping"? Is this acceptable? NO.
Just a thought blowing with the wind:p.

von-Scharnhorst

02-07-2007, 09:14 AM

all people need to educate themselves to intergrate properly ,

WRONG.

If you come to a party at MY house, you had better learn bloody quick, to get used to the way I run the place.

You don't like it? FUK OFF!

Why the wierdo lefty bloody liberal loons can not see that, that should also be applied to their country is beyond me.

mightyatom-

02-07-2007, 02:20 PM

Back2reality

02-07-2007, 10:28 PM

well,

dont you think its quite selfish to be that way , listen to yourself ...
If you dont like my party **** off ?? is that really what we want the world to think when we have scientists from asia, workers from europe and all over helping the evolution of our great britain ,

Like i said Educate to integrate , dont make divisions like you are doing by casting them away take the best from their culture and teach them and all to love our way of life just as we do , THIS WILL TAKE TIME , patience is a virtue of the great and do you know whats great ... Britain !

i am of NO political stance !

Multiculturalism/racial mixing has been tried out and failed miserably in various countries starting from 3500 years ago (Sargon's Akkadian empire). It will never be a success. Things are only getting worse, not better. Also you have the wish to impose European standards of behaviour upon non-Europeans, which is very unfair and oppressive.
Everyone must have their own culture and have it in their own geographic territory.

mightyatom-

03-07-2007, 03:06 AM

Imposing Standards of behaviour . ? do you mean morality , the fact that we might be able to generally do better if we focused on the people of a nation. Knowing the difference between offending and not offending the people you live with, i think this is somthing that should be imposed and is not unfair or oppressive but an expectation of standards all should natrually be accustomed,

Destroy the walls that divide the people destroy false beliefs and impose decent morality !

Sargon ruled mesopotamia for over a century, He was admired and excavated by future leaders.
" Any king that i conquered that calls himself my equal , let him go " Sargon of Akkad

Spades

03-07-2007, 07:06 PM

well,
Like i said Educate to integrate , dont make divisions like you are doing by casting them away take the best from their culture and teach them and all to love our way of life just as we do

Do you want to know how to integrate people? It takes a very long time and you can only do it slowly. Its more of an assimilation than an integration actually. Forcing the matter is pointless because you cannot force people to change their ways of lives.

Coming to one's country you cannot treat someone different because they are not of you religion or your language. You must learn their language because you are going to THEIR country. Think this is a selfish ideal? It is not, because I cannot expect you to learn english/arabic/german/french/chinese/japan, and you cannot play favorites and say I have to learn Arabic to acccomodate muslims because what about the other immigrants? Telling the people that they have to learn the customs of one group of people is just playing favorites.

Mighty atom your being silly when you say I need to learn how to not offend [Muslims]? Are you saying that I should have my sister where a headdress because that is how you see it? Are you saying that I should go out and study Islam so I know how not to offend you? Sorry but you cannot have not right to place the burden upon the people of your country just because you feel sorry for non-europeans. You forget that even standards of behavior are different among people. Need an example? There was this story I once read that an englishmen was reading the Story of Hamlet to an African tribe. They saw what Hamlets Uncle did was right and his mother was right in remarrying. They saw Hamlet as the evil villian because their customs saw everything different from the Englishmens. The point is that people behavior quite differently and it IS unfair AND the government HAS NO RIGHT to FORCE THEIR people to conform. Its too bad grow some spine and say Assimilate to my culture or fix your own d*mn country.

mightyatom-

04-07-2007, 12:31 PM

Im not saying you need to learn how not to offend muslims im saying they who come to our country need to abide by the same morals and standards as we hold , i guess a word for this can be assimilate and yes it does take a lot of time , im not saying anyone should study islam or wear a headress all im saying is that instead of having religious divisions we should set a skeleton of strict moral guidelines which are designed to avoid offense in all directions and the only way this will happen is if we base it on human morality over belief.

dont get me wrong im not a muslim im not religious but i do love my country (GB) and it pains me to see it hurting so ! the damage is done and overflowing and yes i guess assimilate is the essence of what im trying to say.

standards of moral is one thing , belief is another , moral can be changed, shaped and molded with time ! belief can not because the people "believe" that its true ie religion ie bullshite

We are all one

Spades

05-07-2007, 06:41 AM

We need to hold them to their words. If muslims are openly saying things that make them sound like they are justifying terroist attacks or that they are not on the Britains side then kick them out. Tell them that they are threat to the nation and Free speech does not cover threats to the government. (Key word is THREATS not just saying I disagree with the government). Nobody seems to want to take drastic action but I can assure you that this isn't that harsh.

Trevortt

10-08-2007, 05:08 PM

All the peace loving muslims are normal muslims, who you don't hear about, as the right-wing tabloids only jump on stories of extremism. The muslims who you don't hear about are ones who go to their mosques, love their religion, and don't listen to extremist clerics. The majority who listen to him don't take his advice.

If this is the case why don't these 'peace loving Muslims' try and do something to stop all the jihad that is going on with the younger generation?

Instead they deny it is happening or worse stay quiet like you have said above, which does not help anyone.

claire

10-08-2007, 05:41 PM

If you think about it, Islam is a threat to everyone. (unless you're willing to convert.) Isn't one of the principles of their religion to convert all other people?

Trevortt

10-08-2007, 05:48 PM

If you think about it, Islam is a threat to everyone. (unless you're willing to convert.) Isn't one of the principles of their religion to convert all other people?

Exactly but we can't go saying that can we, or we will be deemed a racists for telling the truth about Islam.

violentpacifist

10-08-2007, 06:15 PM

I think it is a threat but I don't know what we should do about. Alot of people here seem to be advocating throwing them all out, knocking down mosques or rounding them up into internment camps. Which just wouldn't work and religion thrives under persecution.

ShugNiggurath

11-08-2007, 03:36 PM

A fine example of why Islam is such a threat is the Danish cartoon experience.

Thousands of muslims, all over the world, the vast bulk of whom never even seen the cartoons went out and protested.

Then muslim nations begin boycotting Danish products.

Denmark faces international boycott over Muslim cartoons - Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article723266.ece)

And this is the unpalatable truth about Islam. It is the least tolerant religion in the world, possibly the least tolerant the world has ever seen. It is incompatible with freedom and separation of church and state.

Any adherent of Islamic beliefs cannot integrate into an open society. No amount of wishful thinking by a deluded bleeding heart will change that.

violentpacifist

11-08-2007, 04:48 PM

claire

11-08-2007, 06:09 PM

ShugNiggurath

11-08-2007, 06:21 PM

Its their right to protest and boycott those things are perfectly compatible with a free and open society. How is that an example of how dangerous they are?

No, it's an individual's right to protest (although you cannot protest against the government in Islamic societies). Countries boycotting the products of other countries is against the protocols of the World Trade Organisation. That is nothing to do with free and open society.

And the protesters had no real idea of what they were protesting about, the media and state in those countries in ME and Africa orchestrated the protests there.

In Europe, the protesters called for the execution of the cartoonist and the editors of the papers. That is not a peaceful, democratic protest. That is an incitement to religiously sponsored murder. Not compatible at all with a free and open society.

If you can show me a way in which the reaction to a few cartoons was in any way acceptable in our society I'd really appreciate it.

ShugNiggurath

11-08-2007, 06:23 PM

It didn't show how dangerous they are. But, it did show how extreme a percentage of them are. To boycott a whole country's products over a cartoon is ridiculous. Which makes me wonder why nobody spoke up about South Park making fun of Islam?

What it showed me was that far from fundamentalists being the tiny minority we are fed about by the media and government and by muslim pressure groups, they are a much larger and better organised group than we might like to believe.

C.E.F

13-08-2007, 11:55 PM

"Religion is the opium of the mind" - Karl Marx.

I happen to agree with this, but that aside, Islam is no more a threat to the UK/US than foot and mouth disease is to humans. As Claire has said, these extremists are in the minority, therefore it's unacceptable to tar all the followers of Islam with the same brush.

This situation is similar to that of the conflicts of the IRA, there will always be people who are extreme in their thought processes and actions, this is after all inevitable.

The ironic factor in all of this is the countries who are not causing carnage in the Middle East are not targets of such extreme action. This extreme behaviour is reactionary, I do not support such notions, but when the West and in particular Britain and US are forcing their values down people's throats, then it's little surprise there is such an extreme reaction.

The situation will blow over with time and there will be other harmful extremes will surface to the forefront of the media outlets.

ShugNiggurath

14-08-2007, 12:07 AM

Countries such as;

Thailand, India, Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Turkey, Holland, Indonesia, Sudan, Malaysia, Iran, The Phillipines...

... and many more.

ShugNiggurath

14-08-2007, 12:12 AM

...but when the West and in particular Britain and US are forcing their values down people's throats, then it's little surprise there is such an extreme reaction.

Let's substitute some words....

...but when Islam and in particular extremist terrorists are forcing their values down people's throats, then it's little surprise there is such an extreme reaction.

I wonder if you would be happy if after the recent car bombs disenchanted Brits had started car bombing mosques and concentrations of muslims in the UK - or is it only when it's abroad and it's muslims killing muslims - or anyone else that gets in the way, it's an understandable reaction?:mad:

C.E.F

14-08-2007, 12:20 AM

I refuse to participate in a discussion with you which involves Right Wing tripe and propaganda. If you want to speak, intelligently about whether or not Islam is a 'threat' then, I will happily have a discussion, but I'll decline when this type of nonsense is on the table.

I do not support such extreme reactions, I am a firm pacifist, I believe in diplomatic settlements. However it is easy to see why there is such extreme views in the world, when people are constantly dictated to by the Super powers of the world through either hegomy or force of arms.

ShugNiggurath

14-08-2007, 12:23 AM

I don't see any right wing sentiment there, if you want to play the game of putting other people's views down as an excuse not to discuss anything with them, batter on, but I'll have to remember the level of debate that you have in you when determining whether to reply to you again.

That's a shame.

ShugNiggurath

14-08-2007, 08:46 AM

As Claire has said, these extremists are in the minority, therefore it's unacceptable to tar all the followers of Islam with the same brush.

Since you haven't deigned to return to this thread...

...there will always be people who are extreme in their thought processes and actions, this is after all inevitable...

...The ironic factor in all of this is the countries who are not causing carnage in the Middle East are not targets of such extreme action...

So I then list a few countries suffering, and you call that 'Right Wing claptrap'. Why?

then it's little surprise there is such an extreme reaction

And so, let me understand you, it's unacceptable to tar all followers of Islam with one brush, but it's inevitable that extremists will target everyone. That's claptrap.

You fail to see that by placing lower standards of conduct or behaviour onto one group you are committing a grosser act of racism than anyone else posting here. But then, I spout claptrap so you can't come down off your lofty seat to mingle with me because?:mad:

Machmer

01-09-2007, 03:25 PM

I've yet to see a quote from the Quran that could be interpreted by any reasonable person to say that blowing innocent people up is alright. If no such quotes exist, then it can be said that Islam isn't a threat.

ShugNiggurath

09-09-2007, 11:38 AM

Trevortt

09-09-2007, 12:04 PM

.................Sharia Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_Law)

Quarterstaff

09-09-2007, 12:17 PM

Another little beauty here; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece A parting shot here, where was our worldwide condemnation of these bombings by the 'moderate' muslims of this world?
Of course its a threat.

daft fan

09-09-2007, 02:23 PM

These articles show how much of a threat Islam is to the UK:

Half of British Muslims want strict Sharia Law (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006080240,00.html)

Muslim youthes rejecting UK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007040620,00.html)

Half of British Mosques controlled by Radical clerics! (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2402998.ece)

Also see : TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)

Then you'll realise what a threat Islam is to the world!

Islam. A threat to us all! (Includes photo of Muhammed cartoon protest...) (http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/2006/NATIONAL%20LEAFLET%20-%20Islam.pdf)

waspish

10-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Madison Marie Cruz

16-11-2007, 01:18 PM

You've obviously never read about Sharia law.
In modern Islam, a very small percentage of Muslims actually follow Sharia Law. People seem to be realising that it can't work in modern society. The few that do try to press it into society struggle to do so.

Albion 69

16-11-2007, 01:34 PM

In modern Islam, a very small percentage of Muslims actually follow Sharia Law. People seem to be realising that it can't work in modern society. The few that do try to press it into society struggle to do so.

I am not sure of the percentages but you are right they are small in number .Other muslims recognise the problem and are acting to prevent it growing

Muslims Against Sharia (http://www.reformislam.org/)

Madison Marie Cruz

16-11-2007, 01:58 PM

I am not sure of the percentages but you are right they are small in number .Other muslims recognise the problem and are acting to prevent it growing

Muslims Against Sharia (http://www.reformislam.org/)

In Western society, the numbers are extremely small. It is more common in Pakistan and less economically developed countries where Islam is dominant that people push for sharia law.

baldlegend

16-12-2007, 08:15 PM

It is difficult to point to any one particular threat at the moment. the UK is in danger of losing its own identity thanks to our current unelected prime minister. We allow radicals from everywhere into the country and let them spout their hatred, whilst claiming off the state! But as far as this topic is concerned...Can someone tell me where it's deemed "religious" to kill and maim in God's name??

Lathyrus

16-12-2007, 08:46 PM

It's not the mosques that are the problem, it's extremist clerics that are purposely sent over by terrorist groups to indoctrine young muslim men. Abu Hamza is a perfect example. You may come back and say that the mosques shouldn't harbour such clerics, but most of the time they are powerless to remove the cleric from their mosques. What the government should do is to introduce legislation which barrs entry for extremist muslim clerics.

Extremist. Hmmm! Can they still be called 'extremists' when they are the majority? Anyhow, muslims are like borgs, all programmed as one.

The_Master

06-02-2008, 01:59 PM

Anti-Imperialistic

06-02-2008, 07:03 PM

wow what a thread?
Is Islam a threat to UK?:rolleyes:

yES IT IS:D

Islam is a threat to every nation,society,culture where injustice prevails.When some men control the lives of other men.When the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.Where man his driven by his instincts and has no control over himself.When there is the survival of the fittest and where the oppressor cries out for help...............Islam comes to the rescue................It is indeed a grave threat.......You people must now ask wether these traits are in the UK............if yes........then Islam is a threat to the UK.

Lord Nelson

06-02-2008, 11:19 PM

I do not deem Islam or any of its followers a threat to the Uk as so long as we make it impossible for any extremists to enter ur country and extradite those who commit crimes. We will be safe, but Islam in general is no threat to me.
:)Probably the victims of 7/7 thought exactly the same as you,and remember it is not extremists from outside coming in,its the home grown scum that needs to be watched.

Amanda

12-03-2008, 01:05 PM

YouTube - Vile Attitude from Brainwashed Convert to Islam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUqHXWATL48)

It scares me!!

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 06:30 PM

Really??? Get me some examples of when Islam helps women?

The reason muslim women cover their bodies is so that men are not tempted to rape them.... I'm pretty sure we got that anomaly ironed out of progressive societies...

You obviously thought wrong. Rape and sexual abuse take place everyday. Why? Sexual arousals- they happen to everyone and anyone. You cannot disagree with that because its part of human nature. And soon leads to rape/sexual abuse.

You don't beleive that the head-scarf serves and hijab serve as protection? Lets experiment on this theoretically;
If you stared at a woman with full hijab and one with a bikini- which one are you likely to form some sort of attraction with? And if you were drunk/have a weak mind... which one are you more likely to go interact with?

If you still fail to understand/dont want to. Take a girl with a bikini and send her down an alleyway with a few men, then take a full-hijab girl and send her down an alleyway with men. Then ask the men who they were more tempted to rape/stare at.

Extremist. Hmmm! Can they still be called 'extremists' when they are the majority? Anyhow, muslims are like borgs, all programmed as one.

YouTube - Vile Attitude from Brainwashed Convert to Islam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUqHXWATL48)

It scares me!!

1 word- propoganda. His views dont portray the whole society's/community.
A quote i love; one that says so much...

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler

A lot of people stereotipicalise muslims. Not every muslim is bad...Show me one place in the Quran where it says murder innocent people or anything to do with that.

Infact the prophet(Muhammed) himself forgave his enemies.
Infact the prisoners at the end of the war were set to educate and teach the illiterate in the community. A mass progress in the human race?
Islam itself isnt a bad religion-infact it is one of the most civilised doctrines out there.Some examples:
-It is compulsory to give zakaat (charity)
-Prohibition of alcohol; all car accidents, men sleeping with other women and every other incident related to this speak for this. Is this what you call a proper governed society?

I could go on forever...

I leave you with this;'Don't blame the religion for the stupidity of men'.

Lathyrus

25-03-2008, 07:19 PM

Not every muslim is bad

Just most.............

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 07:34 PM

Just most.............

Wrong ... Just a few.

Stereotypicalise much?

Lathyrus

25-03-2008, 07:40 PM

Wrong ... Just a few.

Stereotypicalise much?

Twaddle.

Stereotypicalising? No, I don't think so, not when half of all muslims are treated as second class citizens.

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 07:47 PM

Twaddle.

Stereotypicalising? No, I don't think so, not when half of all muslims are treated as second class citizens.

Elaborate? Don't just leave a sentence without explaining anything on it. Otherwise it lacks the ability to understand/argue with/against.

daft fan

25-03-2008, 08:18 PM

This site should help you decide which choice to make in the poll.

TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 08:29 PM

This site should help you decide which choice to make in the poll.

TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)

No it does not- the fact you think that, shows how prejudice and arrogant you are.
It contains biased oppinions- i gurantee you, more than half of the information on that site isnt true. That doesnt represent the 1,000,000 muslims. Those pictures taken are probably staged.. without proper evidence and a trusted source; i refuse to beleive/bother reading though any of that.

Once again ,PROPOGANDA

Once again i pull out a quote from before:

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler

Lathyrus

25-03-2008, 08:34 PM

You are the propagandist sir. You also do not live in the real world. You will never sell muslims to me as anything other than war mongering wife beating, bomb building fanatics.

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 08:49 PM

You are the propagandist sir. You also do not live in the real world. You will never sell muslims to me as anything other than war mongering wife beating, bomb building fanatics.

Hah! LOL! Are you incompetent and afraid to accept defeat?
I do live in the real world- thats why i try taking into perspective every different aspect and make my assumptions/conclusions after looking at those different aspects. Not just one website... LOL

I dont need to 'sell muslims' and i have never tried. Ultimately; thats your decision on what you choose. I am simply justifying your foolish insults.

'War mongering.... fanatics'
Nice petty attacks against religion at the end there- just because you had no alternative comeback? Isn't that against board rules?
'Wife beating'? What are you an 8 year old kid? You're trying to draw conclusions without understanding what any of it is about. You are one of the most arrogant people on Earth i have ever seen.

If i said anything about the Christian faith- It would be brought to complete large scales... And Im not that arrogant either. I respect other people's beleifs... If i stereotypicalised you for every non muslim the same way you stereotypicalise me from extremeist- 'small minority of the muslims', (Heck, I don't even refer to them as muslims)...then the world would be a very sad place indeed.

daft fan

25-03-2008, 09:00 PM

No it does not- the fact you think that, shows how prejudice and arrogant you are.
It contains biased oppinions- i gurantee you, more than half of the information on that site isnt true. That doesnt represent the 1,000,000 muslims. Those pictures taken are probably staged.. without proper evidence and a trusted source; i refuse to beleive/bother reading though any of that.

Once again ,PROPOGANDA

Once again i pull out a quote from before:

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler

Resorting to the Hitler reference is just pathetic.

Everyone else who's actually clicked on that link has probably read the hundreds of News links attached.

So the whole world is lying is it?

You just carry on covering your eyes and ears, and ignoring what's going on around you.

If you're that scared of the truth you shouldn't be on a politics forum

TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)

Lathyrus

25-03-2008, 09:06 PM

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 09:20 PM

Resorting to the Hitler reference is just pathetic.

Everyone else who's actually clicked on that link has probably read the hundreds of News links attached.

So the whole world is lying is it?

You just carry on covering your eyes and ears, and ignoring what's going on around you.

If you're that scared of the truth you shouldn't be on a politics forum

TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)

What's wrong with using a quote from him? He has used propoganda at its best- he has shown the impact of propoganda. So why can't i quote him? I dont see anything pathetic about that. In your next reply please include why it is bad to quote that statement he made.If not- I will see this as another foolish attempt for a comeback.
Everyone who has clicked on that link would also understand how that site is not from a trusted source- it is a complete biased source. Some of the articles that it leads to- are written from a childs perspective. Have you read on your own source?
Want to play propoganda? Lets play buddy- Im up for it... Go google christian blasphemies or anything similar to that. Then base everything of that site, then come back and argue... Or if you're not off the christian faith - then replace 'christian' with wahtever your religion/beleif is.

'You just carry on covering your eyes and ears, and ignoring what's going on around you.

If you're that scared of the truth you shouldn't be on a politics forum'

No sir, you are doing that. Making judgements by looking at one site.Why don't you focus on the good part? Scared of 'knowing the truth'? 'Ignoring' everything else aroind you?Hypocrit?

The reason i am on a political forum is to understand different aspects- not criticise people's beleifs.I have to go and take a bath now and finish up some chores. I shall probably be back by tomorrow/tonight depending on the amount of work i have to get done. Take care <3 I still love you :p (My feminine side is acting up =[ )

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 09:23 PM

I have done nothing against board rules, you however, have.

How do you judge my remarks as being wrong or uneducated? You don't know me. Nothing you are saying, I haven't heard before. We haven't heard before.

And as for the threat to bring up the Christian faith, yes, we have heard that too, many times. We are talking about now. Not centuries ago.

Calling people names sir, because you have no other comeback, is against forum rules.

So its okay for you to critisize my beleifs and me to stand there and take it? If anything you have broken the rules first- So dont even give me that. I just couldnt resist to reply to this before I go.
I judge your remarks because they are completely biased. If you had brought up different points- I would have taken something into account. If i did offend you personally; I sincerely apologize. I havn't been a pretty good day and i do get mad pretty fast =[...
Don't get me wrong I want to hear your oppinions - but as long as you arnt completely biased about them (y) I really have to go now. Bye

Lathyrus

25-03-2008, 09:30 PM

Why am I biased if the evidence of years has shown me and many others that muslims are brainwashed from day one into completely destroying all Christian values? This is what the quoran teaches you.

pauli007001

25-03-2008, 10:18 PM

Lathyrus

25-03-2008, 10:25 PM

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 11:22 PM

Why am I biased if the evidence of years has shown me and many others that muslims are brainwashed from day one into completely destroying all Christian values? This is what the quoran teaches you.

Your also stereotypical... Im a muslim and i would never result to violence unless i was treated to it first. And i know thousands of other muslims that wouldnt do what you describe as a 'jihad'. They are 'brainwashed' - you said it yourse.f They are brainwashed into thinking they re going to heaven for what they are doing... You think any religion permits that? Show me anywhere in the Quran where it says 'Kill innocent people and goto heaven'...

Pick me quotes from the quran that teaches us this. Otherwise do not disgrace the Quran or i will see it as a foolish attempt and pathetic comeback.

I can easily say the Bible states you degrade and dehumanize any other religions. But where is the proof?

-Abyss-

25-03-2008, 11:54 PM

Of course islam is a threat!!!not only is Islam a threat it is an active violent organisation currently waging a violent jihad aganst the UK!It is also waging an economic jihad aganst the uk as well as a cultural jihad aganst the UK.
Political action must be taken to protect the culture,traditions,finances and the lives of the people who are at risk from this multi pronged attack that we are under!!

I also think political action should be made to help stop the stereotypicalization and open the world's eyes into seeing what Islam really is and not the small minority of idiots that claim they are muslim. To protect 'culture,traditions,finances and the lives of the people'.

Why do you guys hate on all muslims so much? Your hate is so hard to put into words from what i see.. Wow lol. Never thought i would see so much hatred o.O

I have to go for now. I'll get back to you later/2morrow. Bye

pauli007001

26-03-2008, 12:57 AM

Your also stereotypical... Im a muslim and i would never result to violence unless i was treated to it first. And i know thousands of other muslims that wouldnt do what you describe as a 'jihad'. They are 'brainwashed' - you said it yourse.f They are brainwashed into thinking they re going to heaven for what they are doing... You think any religion permits that? Show me anywhere in the Quran where it says 'Kill innocent people and goto heaven'...

Pick me quotes from the quran that teaches us this. Otherwise do not disgrace the Quran or i will see it as a foolish attempt and pathetic comeback.

I can easily say the Bible states you degrade and dehumanize any other religions. But where is the proof?

Terrorise the unbeliver,smite him across his fingers and all his limbs,then strike off his head!talen from the koran,the word of allah,according to the self proclamed prophet,mohammed the hashemite paedophile!!

Madison Marie Cruz

26-03-2008, 10:17 AM

I also think political action should be made to help stop the stereotypicalization and open the world's eyes into seeing what Islam really is and not the small minority of idiots that claim they are muslim. To protect 'culture,traditions,finances and the lives of the people'.

Why do you guys hate on all muslims so much? Your hate is so hard to put into words from what i see.. Wow lol. Never thought i would see so much hatred o.O

I have to go for now. I'll get back to you later/2morrow. Bye
That's because they're BNP and they seem to have a fixation with throwing the word 'paedophile' for some reason... :rolleyes:

The fact that you're taking random quotes from the Koran doesn't change my perception of Islam/Muslims. All of the Muslims I have met aren't on some crazed war-path to 'destroy Britain'. Get over yourself. If anything, you're inciting the hatred and driving more people towards extremism by holding ignorant, prejudiced views.

Lathyrus

26-03-2008, 10:30 AM

Your also stereotypical... Im a muslim and i would never result to violence unless i was treated to it first. And i know thousands of other muslims that wouldnt do what you describe as a 'jihad'. They are 'brainwashed' - you said it yourse.f They are brainwashed into thinking they re going to heaven for what they are doing... You think any religion permits that? Show me anywhere in the Quran where it says 'Kill innocent people and goto heaven'...

Pick me quotes from the quran that teaches us this. Otherwise do not disgrace the Quran or i will see it as a foolish attempt and pathetic comeback.

I can easily say the Bible states you degrade and dehumanize any other religions. But where is the proof?

Thousands of acts of terrorism (a totally cowardly way to fight) which have happened all over the world and continue to happen all over the world are perpetrated by muslims. This has shaped my understand of them.

The quoran means nothing to me I will say what I damn well want about it and please to not dare to tell ME what to say and what not to say.

-Abyss-

26-03-2008, 11:58 AM

Thousands of acts of terrorism (a totally cowardly way to fight) which have happened all over the world and continue to happen all over the world are perpetrated by muslims. This has shaped my understand of them.

The quoran means nothing to me I will say what I damn well want about it and please to not dare to tell ME what to say and what not to say.

Wow have you learnt nothing through the previous posts?
Those arent what you call real muslims. Stop being ignorant and understand. Those guys are brainwashed- just like the corruption in third-world countries. PROPOGANDA has been fed to them. If you were told lies yet that seemed so true... If you dont understand- I ll give you an example:
You get kidnapped at a small age where it's hard for you to understand. You get brainwashed/ all the people around you insist that your parents abandonded you or died because of such instances... What would you do? Dont think from a complicated mind of an 18 year old.. you have