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von-Scharnhorst
30-09-2006, 08:32 AM
The U.S have put foreward a resolution in the U.N that the latest, greatest threat to international peace and security is....BURMA!
WHAT?
Can the world not DO something about these bloody pathetic Americans? Where next? The Isle of Man, the world famous center of international terrorism? Wigan? Llanfairfechen?
The U.S have put foreward a resolution in the U.N that the latest, greatest threat to international peace and security is....BURMA!
WHAT?
Can the world not DO something about these bloody pathetic Americans? Where next? The Isle of Man, the world famous center of international terrorism? Wigan? Llanfairfechen?
This is not surprising. Mr.Von-Sharnhorst, sorry if you find me going back to the same matter but this is only a manifestation of Pseudo-Democracy. Mr. Bush and his likes live with particular mind-set that makes them feel that anyone having a independent line of thinking on matters of governance are a threat to civilised world. They simply do not have any other model of democratic governance except their own to base their conclusions upon.
America was once a inspiration to the rest of the world as when Abraham Lincoln declared that 'Democracy is government of the people, by the people and for the people'. Now a situation has arisen due to the limitation of party-based democracy where free-thinking, fairness and pursuit of truth have become victims. I am sure if a proper survey is taken most Americans would agree that America no longer is a model of Democracy.
The world can do something against Mr.Bush's line of thinking - and that is to launch a Movement against Pseudo-Democracy and to examine how Democracy can be improved upon. Creative thinking is needed to counter obscurantist thinking.
von-Scharnhorst
01-10-2006, 03:44 PM
PVR. Please do not get me wrong. I realise that "Government" and people, are two very seperate things.
I know for a damn fact, if I was stuck in some cell in a middle Eastern country, if the boot came through the door and it was attached to a 2 meter across the shoulders black U.S Marine top seargeant, with the accent of a Brooklyn taxi driver, then I would not tell him to F-Off.
I just hate U.S politicians. In fact, I hate ALL politicians.
And NO I am not gay either! I just wish to show that I realise that your basic American is a good guy. :o
Calvin X
01-10-2006, 04:17 PM
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20060919-103638-2178r.htm
At least 3 million Burmese have been displaced by soldiers acting on government orders, according to the Thailand Burma Border Consortium, including an estimated 1 million who have fled over the border into Thailand.
And Hseng Noung, who founded the Shan Women's Action Network spoke of soldiers raping minority women and girls as young as eight.
There does seem to be a humanitarian crisis going on. It might be a bit much to call them a threat, but is this not a big part of what the UN is all about?
von-Scharnhorst
01-10-2006, 08:24 PM
In that case I would agree tht something needs doing. But to go the route of "Interntional threat" is hardly the correct charge.
In that case I would agree tht something needs doing. But to go the route of "Interntional threat" is hardly the correct charge.
That is a fair statement. America is fast losing the moral basis to point out atrocities occuring elsewhere in the world. Calling a humanitarian crisis as an 'international threat' is indicative of its strong arm methods and exposes its lack of faith in dialogue and international arbitration. The fact that Pseudo-Democracy is prevailing in international affairs needs to understood by one and all.
Crowly
03-10-2006, 02:45 PM
To be fair, Burma is a military dictatorship hell hole. Citizens are routinely abducted and killed etc etc.
Calvin X
04-10-2006, 01:12 AM
That is a fair statement. America is fast losing the moral basis to point out atrocities occuring elsewhere in the world. Calling a humanitarian crisis as an 'international threat' is indicative of its strong arm methods and exposes its lack of faith in dialogue and international arbitration. The fact that Pseudo-Democracy is prevailing in international affairs needs to understood by one and all.
Sounds like a perfect oppertunity for someone to step into this moral vacumn and show us stupid Americans how it is done.
Say isn't India right next door to Burma? Hey PVR this is your big chance to lead by example. I will be waiting to learn from your wisdom....
Sounds like a perfect oppertunity for someone to step into this moral vacumn and show us stupid Americans how it is done.
It is the right time for the intelligentsia throughout the world to consolidate the opinion against Pseudo-Democracy and to popularize an alternate model of Democracy. I believe that Partyless Democracy would fit the bill provided enough people are enlightened about it.
Crowly
04-10-2006, 11:51 AM
Wow, there's a lot of meaningless punch words in that last post, PVR.
I think parliamentary democracy is fine.
Calvin X
04-10-2006, 12:19 PM
It is the right time for the intelligentsia throughout the world to consolidate the opinion against Pseudo-Democracy and to popularize an alternate model of Democracy. I believe that Partyless Democracy would fit the bill provided enough people are enlightened about it.
So from this I take it that India will be doing ....what?
Seriously I am not privy to the internal media of India, is the situtation in Burma a topic of interest? Is India doing anything to justify it's claim to be a world power? You mentioned "dialogue and international arbitration", well is anybody doing this?
Crowly, meaningless punch words can creep in, though I try to avoid them. Kindly let me know what were they in that particular post.
Calvin X, Right now India is following the foot steps of the west at the visible level. Hidden below is a lot of thinking going on regarding what would be the right path to take. It is to India's advantage that we have a strong legacy of peace and non-violence highlighted by our independence struggle.
Burma is not a topic of interest though the news about the pro-democracy leader (Ms.Su Kyi, if I am right) is highlighted. Generally India adheres to the principles of Panch Sheel. Dialogue and arbitration are part of our ethos. Spiritually, India is a world power which in my opinion is what ultimately matters.
Calvin X
05-10-2006, 03:15 PM
Calvin X, Right now India is following the foot steps of the west at the visible level. Hidden below is a lot of thinking going on regarding what would be the right path to take. It is to India's advantage that we have a strong legacy of peace and non-violence highlighted by our independence struggle.
Burma is not a topic of interest though the news about the pro-democracy leader (Ms.Su Kyi, if I am right) is highlighted. Generally India adheres to the principles of Panch Sheel. Dialogue and arbitration are part of our ethos. Spiritually, India is a world power which in my opinion is what ultimately matters.
My first gut response was "independence struggle? Christ when are they going to get over that?" then I thought about how much we Americans are rightly proud of our role in WWII which was also from the middle of the last century. :o
Well I am reasonable sure we will get a chance to see how that works out because I don't think America really can make Burma a priority right now.
If India accomplishes something with it's methode's then you will have evidence backing up your way of doing things.
If India's methodes fail then you will have evidence of those methode's limitations.