Muslims' anger as London Olympics clash with Ramadan

[von-Scharnhorst]

The 2012 London Olympics have been plunged into controversy by the discovery that the Games will clash with Ramadan, the most holy month in the Islamic calendar.
The clash will put Muslim athletes at a disadvantage as they will be expected to fast from sunrise to sunset for the entire duration of the Games.
In 2012, Ramadan will take place from July 21 to August 20, while the Olympics run from July 27 to August 12.
An anticipated 3,000 Muslim competitors are expected to be affected.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410439&in_page_id=1770

HOW did I guess?

When are these whinging spoiled bastards going to be happy with ANYTHING???

The Olympic games have happened at this date throughout their bloody whole modern history.

Since 1896, they have known what bleeding date they will take place.

NOW they discover that their little holiday will be inconvienienced?

There is only one way to cure a damn whinger, as my Grandfather used to say "Give the bastards something to whinge FOR".

What are we going to see next? Banning pork pies from London because of "ramdamjam" or whatever the pile of shite is called?

[kieronantony]

This is absolute crap, these people are so fucking annoying, it seems funny that as soon as the games are held in Britain they decide to complain, sometimes muslims are fucking idiots.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Quite frankly, the reason they have only just come up with this, is that they have been scrambling like Hel for ideas how to disrupt the games, without actualy bombing them.

Like I said, they knew this date over a hundred years ago.

[Nicholas]

Maybe the PC barstards will try and stage the worlds first 'NIGHT OLYMPICS'. lol

[von-Scharnhorst]

Aha. So you get those kind of "all night T.V programmes" in U.K now as well?

50 meter hump, and the penthrutchecon.

What gets me is the sports channel. Some ugly tart getting her kit off, puts it back on, scratching her crabs a bit.THEN, because it's the "SPORT" channel, just to keep it on topic, they throw in a bloody water ski, or something to make it "sporty".

Yes, I have, on the odd occassion, purely for research purposes, seen these "night olympics".

NOW, I remember why I got rid of the T.V!

[Nicholas]

At least the mudslims will be able to have a bite to eat before doing the pole vault.

[kieronantony]

I hope the fools in Labour don't try and appease them, Muslims have had their Austia, they've took their Czechoslovakia soon they'll try for Poland and this time it will be the British people, not the government, who decide they've had enough.

[janahitwadi]

Muslims always find some excuse looking at their old books. In India Sania Mirza, a Muslim girl is a Star Tennis player. She had been ranking at 31 in the world ranking. Now 61. Muslims took objections to her dress while playing tennis. Instead of encouraging her they discouraged and result is she slide down in the ranking. The girl is young just 20 but still their is mental effect on her.

In my opinion it is time now to give last priority for so called existing religions and their old books. I have already expressed we need religion based on a region, say nation. Name of the religion same as name of the nation. 'Brotherhood' as fundamental principle, rules/regulation as constitution, laws same as state and civil laws and worship part left to individuals as per his/her own choice without disturbing others. I cannot see a better solution for present time.

Do this and there would be no more disturbances from any thing like 'Ramjan', 'Christmas', 'Diwali' or any other thing like that.

[von-Scharnhorst]

I have already expressed we need religion based on a region, say nation. Name of the religion same as name of the nation.
We allready have that. It is called "PATRIOTISM", or "NATIONALISM".

'Brotherhood' as fundamental principle, rules/regulation as constitution, laws same as state and civil laws and worship part left to individuals as per his/her own choice without disturbing others.

See "German constitution", U.S constitution", any other country in the West that HAS a constitution. U.K does NOT.

[janahitwadi]

We allready have that. It is called "PATRIOTISM", or "NATIONALISM". See "German constitution", U.S constitution", any other country in the West that HAS a constitution. U.K does NOT.
"PATRIOTISM", or "NATIONALISM" are basic concepts with all nations. What is lacking is Muslims give priority to Islam rather than "PATRIOTISM", or "NATIONALISM". This needs change.

UK doesn't have written constitution. However, they have constitution based on traditions/past experience.

[zoobee2]

i would be horrified if the UK changed around everything to appease them. It isn't like it was purposefully scheduled on those dates to mess w Muslims. It is just a coincidence.

[Crowly]

Once upon a time, Ramadan meant muslims couldn't do things, now Ramadan means no one can do things.

How long till we can no longer grow pigs, I can't help but wonder.

[zoobee2]

Yes, I would hate to have to give up my pig garden.

[janahitwadi]

Muslims should be advised that they cannot force their religion on nation. They can do religious things in their home or mosque provided it disturbs no one else. If they consider religious beliefs are more important to them they should forget about Muslim athletes and other players. If they believe in Islam then they should not make this as a point to hinder olympics.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Yes, I would hate to have to give up my pig garden. Yes. I noticed that as well. :D

May be his garden is full of "Hogweed"?

[Crowly]

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Raise pigs, then.

[Eschew_Obfuscation]

I would walk into a Muslim community (group, protest, area, whatever), eating a bacon pork chop sandwhich, and a flag (of whatever country your from) on the front. I'd put something contrived on the back like "You can have my country when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."

[von-Scharnhorst]

And guess what Eschew? YOU would be the one arrested, and probably get 6 to 18 months inside.

Whilst the ragheads can call for war (an offence in Germany), call for the death of political leaders and religious leaders (an offence in MOST Western countrys), call for terrorist attacks against the West (An offence in MOST of the West), threaten to cut the throats of Westerners (offence in ALL Western countrys (incitement to murder)), call for the destruction of the Western way of life and the Governments of the West (Offence in Germany).

And THEY don't even get a police written warning.

[Crowly]

This is true. It's sad and despicable how badly our gov't is paralysed by political correctness.

It's because they're so touchy. So easily infuriated, but if you have an unexploded bomb in your front garden, you can't just tiptoe around it your whole life, eventually you have to remove it or give it a good kick and see what happens.

[janahitwadi]

The solution is tell your politicians to implement your rules and laws. Why should you feel helpless in your own country?

[von-Scharnhorst]

What do you suggest? Revolution?

THAT is what happens when the people decide to "tell the Government" what to do.

I thought it was YOU who liked to lecture on "democracy"

[Eschew_Obfuscation]

You can't contact your MP about things like this?

And guess what Eschew? YOU would be the one arrested

Civil disobedience. I don't know if you English ever read Walton or Thoreau, though.

[von-Scharnhorst]

You can't contact your MP about things like this?
Yes. But they take no notice. Take for example the Manchester airport extention. Over 5 million names on a petition against it, 15 court cases/enquiries, years of protest camps in the only piece of natural woodland left in the whole North England, which was going to be bulldozed.

The extention went ahead. I can not remember the names, but I know of similar protests against ring roads, the extention of Stanstead airport, the Hinkley B power station, Greenham common cruise missile base, Faslane Submarine base, and these are just off the top of my head. There are many others.

If the government decides it wants something, you better believe they will get their way.

Civil disobedience.
Well, see the above about protest camps. But also see the protests in Germany about processing foriegn (and German) nuclear waste. 1,000 protesters, 8,000 police.

It wasn't protests that got the U.S out of Vietnam, protests did not stop the Irak war.

[janahitwadi]

Mahatma Gandhi showed a way of protest. No violence, no clashes, even if police resort to brutal suppression do not use your physical might. Such a protest does pay. Mighty British had to vacate India. This also made them vacate other colonies too.

If this is not possible use 'Janahit Yachika' meaning petition in the interest of public. In India it is a practice and it does give fruits.

[Eschew_Obfuscation]

Even though Jana seems a little loopy, non-violent protests are very effective.

It wasn't protests that got the U.S out of Vietnam, protests did not stop the Irak war.

You're absolutely right. atleast IMHO. But, eating that pork chop sandwhich is a good start. I don't think it'll change things unless violence gets the wrong amount of people annoyed so that they vote in a new "Muslim skull cracking" government.

[von-Scharnhorst]

If this is not possible use 'Janahit Yachika' meaning petition in the interest of public. In India it is a practice and it does give fruits.
You either have not read, or failed to understand what I have said.

THEY DO NOT WORK. I will repeat. Please see if you can keep up this time;
Take for example the Manchester airport extention. Over 5 million names on a petition against it, 15 court cases/enquiries, years of protest camps in the only piece of natural woodland left in the whole North England, which was going to be bulldozed.

The extention went ahead.

More clear this time?

[kieronantony]

I don't think it was all the non-violent protests which made Mr. Clement Atlee desert India, more the opposite, he feared that if we stayed the Indian people would become violent and British lives would be lost, so Mr. Atlee decided to leave it while peace still flourished.

[kieronantony]

But the only thing we can do is vote against labour, protests don't work, petitions don't work, what other options do we have?

[von-Scharnhorst]

None. Because except for a difference of 2 or 3% in tax, no party is offereing to do now, or do in the future ANY different to what is allready the status quo.

[janahitwadi]

You either have not read, or failed to understand what I have said. THEY DO NOT WORK. I will repeat. Please see if you can keep up this time; More clear this time?
Public interest petition in Court of Law. In India such petitions are allowed directly in the 'supreme court' The government cannot disregard directions given by any court of law in India.

[janahitwadi]

I don't think it was all the non-violent protests which made Mr. Clement Atlee desert India, more the opposite, he feared that if we stayed the Indian people would become violent and British lives would be lost, so Mr. Atlee decided to leave it while peace still flourished.
Peaceful protests in India did work. Non-cooperation movement paralysed British administration. The most in the Government of British India was not ready to work for the government. The administration collapsed and hence they left. While leaving British did show they are cunning by dividing India and creating enemies. The result did boom-rang on Britain.

[kieronantony]

While leaving British did show they are cunning by dividing India and creating enemies.

NO!! I don't think we did that just for the fun of it, Bangladesh and Pakistan had high muslims populations, it was the muslims who wanted independance from India, who has a high hindu population, blame the muslims not the British.

[janahitwadi]

British made Muslims to believe in Muslim India is different from Hindu India. They did encourage. Mr. Jinnah never had been a Muslim in the sense Muslims define themselves. His only ambition had been to be Prime Minister. When he found it difficult he returned to UK for quite some time. Then he returned to India with Muslim Card.

No nation can be divided based on religion. The proof is Bangladesh. Bangladesh separated from Pakistan in spite of she has a predominantly Muslim population.

Would you create a Muslim nation in UK where Muslims are in large proportion?

[kieronantony]

You might as well, are there any British in Bradford? But seriously though it's a different situation here, although it's hard to explain without contradicting yourself. In Britain the predominant religion is Christianity, and has been for over a millenium, I can see what you mean but I can asure you it was the wish of the muslim people. British India was split on the grounds of religion and that only, with India being strongly Hindu, Pakistan and Bangladesh being muslim, and Sri Lanka and Burma (Myanmar) being mainly Buddhist.

[janahitwadi]

Although I do not agree that division of India was based on religion. I am confident that this had been cunning act of British. British did show carrot to Mr. Jinnah and he fail prey for it. Muslims in India are second largest in compared to all other countries in the world. The division had a sole motive of keeping India busy in conflicts with neighbour.

Coming back to the subject of the thread, I have already stated that Briton should not bow down to demand of Muslims, else it would develop in to a big trouble in future.

[Lathyrus]

This not ALL they are doing to disrupt the Olympic Games.

This is my home town.....


Fears rise about mosque
By Carl Brown
THE furore over plans to build Europe's biggest mosque in Stratford has intensified.
More than 100 people attended a meeting at the Houses of Parliament on Monday to disuss the £100 million structure that is earmarked for a site at Abbey Mills, next to the Channelsea River.
Peers, MPs, and members of the public heard Newham Cllr Alan Craig renew his call for a public inquiry into the activities of the Tablighi Jamaat group that wants to build the proposed London Markaz mosque.

continued...


Cllr Craig, of the Christian Peoples' Alliance, said: "If Tablighi Jamaat is big enough and powerful enough to put up this huge mosque, we should be able to ask questions about it."
He said that intelligence services and academics were asking whether the group was a fertile breeding-ground for terrorists.
Tablighi Jamaat was formed in the 1920s in India. It is a non-political movement and condemns terrorism.
But Cllr Craig said: "There is evidence to suggest that is not the full story and that a number of people associated with alleged and actual terrorist attacks have at some stage been closely associated with Tablighi Jamaat."
The proposed mosque will have a capacity of 10,000 worshippers, with a facility to increase this at a later date.
Cllr Craig is concerned that the mosque will create a "one-faith zone" in Stratford and West Ham and will become the hub of an Islamic quarter at the Olympic games.
He said: "Surely this is contrary to the Olympic idea. The Olympics is supposed to bring together people of all races, cultures, religions, colours and nationalities.
"We should not allow a divisive separate sector for one religion alone."
Cllr Craig said he had encountered many Muslims in Newham who privately had concerns about the mosque and Tablighi Jamaat.
He said: "We must encourage our Muslim fellow citizens to speak up without fear.
"We live in an open society where peoples' opinions count, they must not feel intimidated into silence."
Doctor Sam Solomon, an expert in Sharia law, said that the Islamic doctrine of Al-Wala' wa Al-Bara' (loyalty and disavowal), as practised by Tablighi Jamaat, encouraged separatism.
Dr Solomon said: "The result of these doctrines is the second and third generation of Muslims and the converts completely rejecting British freedoms and values and refusing to assimilate."
The planning application for the mosque will be examined by Newham Council, but the decision to grant permission will be taken by the unelected quango, the Thames Gateway London partnership.
Tablighi Jamaat does not usually talk to the media, a policy defended by the mosque's director of development Abdul Khalique on Radio 4's Sunday programme recently.
Mr Khalique said: "If someone or some organisation is innocent, why should they be put in a position that they should defend themselves?
"Our view is we are clean, we should pray for those people who are going astray and trying to stick mud on us."

[Nicholas]

[Mr Khalique said: "If someone or some organisation is innocent, why should they be put in a position that they should defend themselves?."

Its called transparency Mr Khalique. Muslims trying to portray themselves as 'victims' yet again. Why on earth they want to build a future terrorist training camp is beyond me:mad:

[von-Scharnhorst]

Doctor Sam Solomon, an expert in Sharia law, said that the Islamic doctrine of Al-Wala' wa Al-Bara' (loyalty and disavowal), as practised by Tablighi Jamaat, encouraged separatism.
Dr Solomon said: "The result of these doctrines is the second and third generation of Muslims and the converts completely rejecting British freedoms and values and refusing to assimilate."
Then what are the shity wee bastards doing in U.K? Fuck off back to your desert hovels.

[kieronantony]

Well firstly, Lathyrus, that is a brilliant avatar, lol, and is all the funding coming from the Tablighi Jamaat group? Or is there a government hand in this, that would not surprise, especially seeing as in the past two decades the government has spent millions on the building of mosques, it's just not on, I can't wait until next election, although I won't be able to vote :(, fortunatly for me, in the last year I have convinced about 30-40 people to vote BNP.

[Lathyrus]

Well firstly, Lathyrus, that us a brilliant avatar, lol, and is all the funding coming from the Tablighi Jamaat group? Or is there a government hand in this, that would not surprise, especially seeing as in the past two decades the government has spent millions on the building of mosques, it's just not on, I can't wait until next election, although I won't be able to vote :(, fortunatly for me, in the last year I have convinced about 30-40 people to vote BNP.

I think the particular group involved are paying for the mosque themselves, being a separatist group of dubious wealth.

I am also in Cambs, and probably will not be able to vote the way I wish, but may do what they advise in such cases. I don't really see there is any option.

[kieronantony]

Two questions if you dont mind me asking? Who do you vote for and what do they advise?

[Lathyrus]

I have always, apart from once, voted Labour. It will be BNP this time or a spolied paper.

[von-Scharnhorst]

I was a member of SNP for a while. But, if I were in U.K now, then I know where my cross would go.

Allways given that there is a candidate.

How are BNP doing in Scotland? Any one know?

[kieronantony]

I'm not too sure but I think they do alright in the Glasgow area, other than that I haven't got a clue. :( Sorry.

[janahitwadi]

Muslims always claim that Islam is the best religion for brotherhood. I have my doubts though. I fail to understand how expenditure on any religious building is going to help common man. The first and foremost requirement is bread. People want to survive against all odds. No 1 would like to die. To achieve this science education is must. Why are not using the money to educate people? Even if they spend it for Muslims it would be welcome.

I have firm conviction that instead of constructing religious buildings construct science schools and higher learning institutes.

[von-Scharnhorst]

I have firm conviction that instead of constructing religious buildings construct science schools and higher learning institutes.
But they do. It is just that the lessons include Flying, but not landing, manufacture of explosive devices, nuclear physics, Constructive demolition techniques, chemical and biological poisons, Construction of coats of many pockets, and being total wa***rs.

They call them "Madrassers". Allthough I allways thought they were set up to make curry myself.

[janahitwadi]

But they do. It is just that the lessons include Flying, but not landing, manufacture of explosive devices, nuclear physics, Constructive demolition techniques, chemical and biological poisons, Construction of coats of many pockets, and being total wa***rs.
I meant 'survival' not 'destruction' In western countries their proportion is so small those countries can insist on 'No construction of Mosque'

[von-Scharnhorst]

You really have not got a bloody CLUE about Europe have you?

Short of doing an Amritsa Golden temple on them during building there is not a DAM THING we, as the ordinary population can do.

The Governments, and SUCCESSIVE Governments, have just rubber stamped EVERY planning application.

REGARDLESS OF HOW THE LOCAL POPULATION COMPLAINED.

[janahitwadi]

You really have not got a bloody CLUE about Europe have you?.
I do not understand why Europe finds so helpless in spite of economical and war power. I guess it is 'oil' which makes Europe weak. It is well known fact that oil shall not last forever. Earlier Europe finds alternative to oil better it is. I am sure some viable solution could be found in a few decades. Till then there is no choice but to face indirect Muslim rule.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Europe is not weak. But we have something called "democratic process". WE do NOT "tell" our Governments what to do.

When you have a Government that is voted in for five years, the very minute after the election, it is too late. They can do EXACTLY what they want.

In this case "what they want" is to kowtow to every single demand made by the muslims in the area.

Whether out of fear, or a missplaced sence of "political corectness" is neither here or there. The result is the same, 2.6% of the population get just what they want by acting like a spoiled 6 year old that throws the cat through the bathroom window, because "Mummy won't let them go out and play".

And, whilst there are only a handfull of political partys that supply an alternative (one or two in each country), the only other choices are a) not to vote, or b) have a revolution. Which benefits NO ONE.

[claire]

It is so disturbing to read all of these posts. Calling all Muslims fucking bastards because a couple of muslims complained about the olympics. Do any of you have the concept that muslims don't act as a whole.

[Crowly]

Claire, Muslims act as a whole by taking offence against one muslim as an offence against them. If they don't act as a whole, how did one little cartoon turn into marauding gangs of savages across about 15 nations? Burning embassies, shooting nuns, you know, the usual.

I am beginning to feel the words 'expunged' and 'muslim scourge' should feature more prominently in my leader's speeches.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Do any of you have the concept that muslims don't act as a whole.
"He who does not condemn, condones", have you heard ANY condemning WITHOUT the infamous "BUT,...."?

[janahitwadi]

Europe is not weak. But we have something called "democratic process". WE do NOT "tell" our Governments what to do.
I am afraid, democratic process does not end with Elections. Government has to honour wishes of majority of the people. Ruling party must have constant contact with citizens and find what they want. The Government must act to fulfil lawful desires of the majority.

When you have a Government that is voted in for five years, the very minute after the election, it is too late. They can do EXACTLY what they want.
I am afraid this is wrong perception of democracy.

In this case "what they want" is to kowtow to every single demand made by the muslims in the area.
Muslims also are citizens. However, their demands can not be considered as superior to others. Democracy must look after interests of most of the citizens. Democracy can afford 'a few' unsatisfied but not 'the most of them'.

Whether out of fear, or a missplaced sence of "political corectness" is neither here or there. The result is the same, 2.6% of the population get just what they want by acting like a spoiled 6 year old that throws the cat through the bathroom window, because "Mummy won't let them go out and play".
I agree the younger one in the family is given more attention. Minorities also must be given favourable attention. However, there is a limit and the limit is decided while considering interest of nation.

And, whilst there are only a handfull of political partys that supply an alternative (one or two in each country), the only other choices are a) not to vote, or b) have a revolution. Which benefits NO ONE.
Politicians are power hungry. They need to be tamed. This can be done by the citizens only. Make politicians pass such laws which makes it improbable to misbehave.

I will give an example. In India the Government refused to give any information about their working to a common man under the pretext of security. Indians made them adopt a law for information. Politicians did avoid passing the law for quite some time (3 years) but finally they had to yield to wish of the citizens.

You may give any reason for behaviour of the politicians, in my opinion the reason can be only 'OIL'

[claire]

Like I have stated in a post elsewhere, I know many Muslims that are peaceful and are like you and I. But typing this is hopeless because you are going to leave this thread still hating Muslims.

[von-Scharnhorst]

I am afraid, democratic process does not end with Elections. Government has to honour wishes of majority of the people. Ruling party must have constant contact with citizens and find what they want. The Government must act to fulfil lawful desires of the majority.

I am afraid this is wrong perception of democracy.
Look I suggest you try and trell the fucking Government that. Because In the West, that is EXACTLY how fucking "democracy" works.

[janahitwadi]

It is so disturbing to read all of these posts. Calling all Muslims fucking bastards because a couple of muslims complained about the olympics. Do any of you have the concept that muslims don't act as a whole.
I agree with you that no one has a right to call names to some one else or use unparliamentary language. Usually it happens when the person has exhausted all sensible arguments or so furius the person can not think rationally. In such cases I will offer that person a flower so he/she can compose hi/herself and think talking rationally. All properly educated persons would accept their mistake and laugh at themselves.

As regards to Muslim thinking, their is a provision in Islam that religious leaders can pass an order (Fatwa) on any subject and all Muslims have to follow the order irrespective of their nationality. So saying only a few Muslims are 'mischivous' and rest 'innocent' is incorrect. All Muslims who give more impotance to 'Religion' over 'Nation' are culprits. All Muslims believe in religion is superior to nation. You know what I mean.

[janahitwadi]

Look I suggest you try and trell the fucking Government that. Because In the West, that is EXACTLY how fucking "democracy" works.
I am not sure whether it is true democracy.

[Lathyrus]

Muslims also are citizens. However, their demands can not be considered as superior to others. Democracy must look after interests of most of the citizens. Democracy can afford 'a few' unsatisfied but not 'the most of them'.

The problem as I see it is, Muslims will not compromise. This is why they will always appear 'unsatisfied'.

[kieronantony]

Janahitwadi, your intentions are good:

Government has to honour wishes of majority of the people

You're right, that is how democracy should work, and you're right again, it's not true democracy, but unfortunately for us British, and possibly by the way VC says it, the Germans to, democracy doesn't work like that in our countries.

[von-Scharnhorst]

NO "democracy" works like that. EVERY Government is voted in for Four (Germany), Five (U.K), Similar in Canada, etc, etc.

ONCE THEY ARE VOTED IN THE CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT FOR FOUR YEARS.

Were the public asked about going to war for Bush?, were they asked if millions of unwanted immigrants should be allowed in?

No because the public is so damn cheap and stupid they will vote for ANY one that gives them a 2% more tax cut than the other party. And fuck what else is written in the manifesto. Bugger what else the arses have done in the last four years.

An extra 10 pound per month in their pay check (they do not even bother to think that MORE than that is taken off them by other taxes, fuel, local, etc) and they will bend RIGHT over for any party

[claire]

Never have truer words been spoken.

[Eschew_Obfuscation]

The problem as I see it is, Muslims will not compromise. This is why they will always appear 'unsatisfied'.


That's the post of the year. "Convert or die."

No because the public is so damn cheap and stupid they will vote for ANY one that gives them a 2% more tax cut than the other party.

What are voter turnouts in European nations? I don't think that pre 9/11 anyone in the US knew that we would be invading Iraq (albeit he was re-elected too). I also don't think most voters actually watch debates/know administration policies. Case in point we have an upcoming gubernatorial election, and prior to watching the debate I was in support of the Republican Bob Beaprez. After the debate I found he was a man of absolutely no character or backbone, and will now be crossing party lines to vote for Bill Ritter. I think most AMericans who vote simply follow their party lines or insignificant issues.

[von-Scharnhorst]

I think most AMericans who vote simply follow their party lines or insignificant issues.
Aye, well. That is EXACTLY what I meant, "insignificant issues". It's just I allways use tax as the example, because at election time in Europe, it seems to be THE number one decider, even if people DO know what the partys are about, they can still be swung by such trivia.

Damn whores.

Also you get in U.K, not so much in Germany, but people will get pissed off because the side walk is chewed up. Now THAT is a local council/government problem. BUT come general election, "I am not voting XYZ, our local councilor is that party and LOOK at the side walk".

It has not the SLIGHTEST thing to do with national government, yet over such idiocies are countrys invaded.

So 60% of the electorate who put their cross NO WHERE near the bastards we get in power, are blamed for 600,000 deaths in some middle eastern hole, just because Mrs fuckin Jones wanted a new side walk.

You should have to pass an inteligence test to gain the right to vote.

[janahitwadi]

The problem as I see it is, Muslims will not compromise. This is why they will always appear 'unsatisfied'.
All those who believe in religion is divine would behave same way. Make them understand religion is 'man made'

Janahitwadi, your intentions are good: You're right, that is how democracy should work, and you're right again, it's not true democracy, but unfortunately for us British, and possibly by the way VC says it, the Germans to, democracy doesn't work like that in our countries.
It simply means people have to fight to teach politicians true meaning of democracy. However it won't happen because the centre of disputes is 'OIL' To get oil you need to forgo your freedom.

No because the public is so damn cheap and stupid they will vote for ANY one that gives them a 2% more tax cut than the other party. And fuck what else is written in the manifesto. Bugger what else the arses have done in the last four years.
That's the post of the year. "Convert or die." ...... I think most AMericans who vote simply follow their party lines or insignificant issues.
You are right. Public is not bothered about future. Almost everywhere ( or should I say allover), people are concerned about immediate gain.


I have an idea. Add one more candidate in the list on ballot paper at the top 'None from below'. If this candidate gets majority votes there should be fresh election in which earlier candidates won't be allowed to contest.

[Lathyrus]

All those who believe in religion is divine would behave same way. Make them understand religion is 'man made'

That makes no sense to me whatsoever! Anybody else get that?

[von-Scharnhorst]

Aye. muslims and christians act like they do because they think they have a "divine right" to rule the earth. The sooner we disabuse them of that belief, the sooner we can get on with real life as opposed to badly written fairy tale versions.

[Lathyrus]

Well, some of that I agree with, now I understand.

[Crowly]

You're right, that is how democracy should work, and you're right again, it's not true democracy, but unfortunately for us British, and possibly by the way VC says it, the Germans to, democracy doesn't work like that in our countries.

Are you insane?!

Democracy should not, explicitly never work like that. To bow to the will of the people is to invite baying mob rule. The majority of the people want the death penalty reinstated, is that right? No, because it is a brutal savagery from our past. Long and best forgotten.

Remember that the majority of this country are Sun reading peons who will never see beyond what the red top rag's opinions page tells them to see. Proles, Party, Leader. Works for me.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Hmmm. Where have I heard THAT before....?

Aha! "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer". THAT was it.

[Crowly]

Hahaha, touche.

Nevertheless, the point stands, the common man is too stupid to have equal say in the running of the country as the leaders.

[von-Scharnhorst]

As I said. People should have to pass an intelligence test before being allowed to vote.

For EVERY election.

[Eschew_Obfuscation]

No, because it is a brutal savagery from our past.

This is a major tangent, but do you think Muslims would be as uppity if a few heads on pikes would be properly displayed?

People should have to pass an intelligence test before being allowed to vote.

Hmm..I wanted to respond to this before without sounding racist, but in the US there used to be tests in the South for intelligence and voting, and it was reversed because it kept blacks from voting. I think minority groups would have less of a voice if we required intelligence tests. (That's just me being PC, anways.)

[von-Scharnhorst]

THATS P.C????

Bloody Hel, don't get non P.C, you wil get arrested. :eek:

[kieronantony]

I think the american PC is alot different to that of the British, and possibly european.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Aye. Normally it is a lot more "fluffy bunny crap".

[zoobee]

Eschew, that was because right after the abolishment of slavery most freed slaves did not have access to education, and therefore were unable to read. So they had literacy tests to try and stop them from voting. Also, they included a grandfather clause, by which if your grandfather voted, then you did not have to take the test, making it blatantly obvious that it was solely intended to stop the freed slaves from voting.

In the present day and age of mandatory schooling, everyone should have at least some basic competency. And if you don't, then you most certainly are not qualified to chose a leader. If done properly, it would be used not to single out any minority group, but just to remove the stupid.

However, like everything else, I am sure that our wonderful government would find a way to corrupt it to make it more profitable for their own party, or whichever party is in power at the time.

it is a slippery slope.

[von-Scharnhorst]

I am sure that our wonderful government would find a way to corrupt it to make it more profitable for their own party, or whichever party is in power at the time.
Hmm. It MAY make them see the benefits of spending on education.

The party that does not, gets no votes, because the electorate are too thick.

[janahitwadi]

Art of learning means use your own experience or some one Else's while doing a task. Formal education teaches a person how to read a book (this may be periodical, news paper, novel or any thing printed), assimilate, debate and find an acceptable way. Person's own experience is much better teaching. So only formal education should not be counted.

[von-Scharnhorst]

Knowing where to find water in the Kalahari MAY be very useful, Being able to tell when it is going to rain in the Gobi, may take wisdom.

Neither are a lot of bloody use in Berlin, New York, or New Dehli. If THAT is where you live, it is formal education that counts.

[Eschew_Obfuscation]

Eschew, that was because right after the abolishment of slavery most freed slaves did not have access to education, and therefore were unable to read. So they had literacy tests to try and stop them from voting.

Don't insult my intelligence, really, I know that. That was the reference I was making.

If THAT is where you live, it is formal education that counts.


I'd agree to this for about 90 percent of the population. There is the 10 percent that is crafty, clever, and can use their wits to be successful.

[janahitwadi]

Knowing where to find water in the Kalahari MAY be very useful, Being able to tell when it is going to rain in the Gobi, may take wisdom.

Neither are a lot of bloody use in Berlin, New York, or New Dehli. If THAT is where you live, it is formal education that counts.
As I said education means how to use experience in certain circumstance for finding a desirable solution. Formal education is a quicker way. This does not mean that, that is the only way.