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Trevortt
25-09-2007, 07:25 PM
This is a disgrace, how can anyone only give the offender such a petty punishment.

An 18-year-old Great Horton man was today sentenced to a 12-month community order at Bradford Crown Court after pleading guilty to having sex with a child. Ammaar Arif, of Cecil Avenue, Bradford, had initially been charged with rape, sex with a child and theft.

The defendant denied the other charges, which were dismissed by the presiding judge.

The charges related to an incident on June 15 when Arif, then 17, had sex with a 15-year-old schoolgirl in bushes at Ladyhill Park on Allerton Road.

The court heard that Arif had been given the mobile phone number of the girl, now 16, who cannot be named for legal reasons, by a friend. Although the two had never met they engaged in text messaging over a period of several days before arranging to meet at the park on July 15.

Ms Sophie Drake QC for the Crown told the court that, on the day in question, at approximately 4.30pm the girl told her mother she was going to meet a friend in Allerton. In fact she went to the park where she had arranged to meet Arif. At around 5pm the accused received a text message from the girl asking where he was. He then made his way to the park. Once together they went to a secluded area behind some bushes and trees.

The defendant admitted he had asked the girl for sex several times but said that the act had been consensual. He said that the girl had removed her own clothing, a school uniform, and they had had intercourse. At around 6pm the girl was seen by a witness, Hassan Latif, and said to be very upset and wearing her uniform.

When examined by police she had no injuries. She initially claimed she had been robbed and raped by the defendant but later retracted the claims.

Mr Michael Greenhalgh QC, for the defence, argued that when the offence was committed the defendant and complainant were only a year and a half distant in terms of age. He said his client had admitted asking for sex with the girl four times and that he was not sure how old the girl was. He said his client had suffered greatly from having a rape charge hanging over him for some time, and that he had pleaded guilty to the lesser offence. He added that his client had no previous criminal record except for a reprimand for battery.

Passing sentence, Judge James Stewart QC said: "He (Arif) seems to think it's alright to meet a complete stranger and have sexual intercourse. I imagine his uncle and aunt would be horrified. "I hope he realises the stupidity of what he has done. You pleaded guilty to sex with a child; the girl was only 15 but you didn't really mind one way or another, just that you would get a cheap thrill. It is disgusting."

Arif was given a 12-month community supervision order and placed on the sex offenders register for two and a half years.

Source (http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/newsindex/display.var.1712934.0.man_sentenced_for_sex_with_c hild.php)

daft fan
25-09-2007, 10:53 PM
That is sickening (the sentence as well as the crime)

If he had done this in his own country he probably would have been castrated...

Greg Lance-Watkins
26-09-2007, 02:05 AM
Hi,

I think you will find that he did commit the offence in his own Country - as far as I can ascertain he is British. The indignity at this crime commited by two children seems rather contrived. Do not forget we have a legal system that legitimises 60 year old predating and sodomising girls or boys of only 16. A matter of days older than the girl in question who in the nature of her meeting was clearly at best ill advised but more likely well aware of her actions.

I do not condone her actions nor those of the boy - nor the legitimising of the sodomising of children by predators!

I believe your perspective is a little skewed - not wrong but aimed badly.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Nicholas
26-09-2007, 02:13 AM
Holding a british passport doesnt automatically mean you are british. There are plenty of miscreants out there who hold no great love or affiliation for britain but hold british passports. Take one of the 7/7 bombers Mohammed Saddique Khan for example.

Greg Lance-Watkins
26-09-2007, 02:59 AM
Hi,

holding a British passport means EXACTLY that. Would you rather have Thomas Hamilton, Peter Suttcliff and their ilk or murderers like Ian Blair & Cressida Dick as your roll models - or Ian McShane or the 1/2 Scottish Paul Boteng?

You will find that many who lay claim to being British one would wish to reveille and many who have fought to defend these United Kingdoms whilst many very white trash profitted were of Asian & Indian ancestry some only one generation before their service to save our Country and their well earned British passports.

Do not forget that A.K. Chesterton for all his clamour was not British and Jan Smutts was the founding Father of The Royal Airforce. Meanwhile there are scum in this country befouling claim to British status whilst seeking funding and founded upon the ritual sport of killing people in public spectacle in America where 3-4,000 young men were hanged by semie literate whte lynch mobs just because they were black. Those very same scum who funded the foundations and growth of the BNP and its failure to renounce either its origins or ignorant racism.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Lord Nelson
26-09-2007, 08:21 PM
Just holding a British passport which is basically just a piece of paper does not give you the divine right to think that you are a fine upstanding British citizen Greg,I do not think that you are stupid enough to believe that for one minute.
To class yourself as being British there are many qualities that you need to have which includes a belief in BRITISH Democracy,a understanding of its native tongue,and a proud understanding of British history and the cultural ways of its people.
Seeing as there are many Asian so called British citizens out there who feel no need to learn our language or integrate into our ways I therefore see your comments as having no solid foundations whatsoever.
Remember there are also certain sections of the Asian population in this country who want do away with Democracy and set up the rule of Sharia,and all of these fine upstanding people hold a "BRITISH PASSPORT".
Greg you are well known on political forums and have been labelled as being brainwashed in regards to certain issues,and one of those issues is your opinion of the BNP who you see as abhorrently racist so I would advise you to go and take a look at the BNP website or even take a look at some of the sticky threads that have been posted in the BNP section of this forum and then you may get a better understanding of the subject instead of letting yourself get influenced by our corrupt politicians and the media.

Oh and Greg I was always led to believe that A.K Chesterton was born in England towards the latter end of the nineteenth century he then with his family moved to South Africa but then returned to these shores in the 1920's.
He then went on to become a founder member of the National Front and was a true Nationalist unlike his famous Communist relative G.K Chesterton.

violentpacifist
26-09-2007, 08:48 PM
We all know you love the BNP and your nationalist rehetoric and Greg we all know you hate it but can we keep this on topic?

In the US they actually have a romeo & juliet law that means that if two teenagers are within a certain age of each other the older will not be charged with any crime. It is probably the age difference why he got such a sentence.

Lord Nelson
26-09-2007, 08:56 PM
We all know you love the BNP and your nationalist rehetoric and Greg we all know you hate it but can we keep this on topic?

In the US they actually have a romeo & juliet law that means that if two teenagers are within a certain age of each other the older will not be charged with any crime. It is probably the age difference why he got such a sentence.

Mmmm......Violentpacifist we are not discussing the law that stands in the U.S we are discussing the law here in the UK in regards to the oh so common occurrence of Asian paedophiles and rapists.

So try and keep it on topic will you.....!

violentpacifist
26-09-2007, 09:02 PM
Mmmm......Violentpacifist we are not discussing the law that stands in the U.S we are discussing the law here in the UK in regards to the oh so common occurrence of Asian paedophiles and rapists.

So try and keep it on topic will you.....!

Really? Because I thought we were talking about the law in regards to single incident which hardly seems representative of all occurrences.

Lord Nelson
26-09-2007, 09:19 PM
Well basically my friend we have different laws in this country and seeing that this heinous crime was committed here in the UK lets try and not get influenced about what would happen in the U.S.

Oh and to stay on the subject of rape what are your views on the BNP's policy in regards to zero tolerance for offenders who commit such despicable crimes?
Are you like me who believes that anyone who has been proved guilty of rape whether it be by DNA evidence or caught red handed should be hung by the neck from the nearest English Oak?

violentpacifist
26-09-2007, 09:31 PM
Well proponents of the death penalty often have this proven guilty to higher extent idea and I'm skeptical over how exactly thats going to work. DNA could be found at the scene or even on the victim but just because he was at the scene or even slept with the victim dosen't neccasarily mean he raped her.

Lord Nelson
26-09-2007, 10:34 PM
Well proponents of the death penalty often have this proven guilty to higher extent idea and I'm skeptical over how exactly thats going to work. DNA could be found at the scene or even on the victim but just because he was at the scene or even slept with the victim dosen't neccasarily mean he raped her.

But if semen was found internally inside the victim?

violentpacifist
27-09-2007, 11:57 AM
But if semen was found internally inside the victim?

That proves sex but it dosen't prove rape.

Trevortt
27-09-2007, 01:24 PM
That proves sex but it dosen't prove rape.

But isn't the law in place as we speak that if you have sex with a person under the age of 16 that is rape!!

Lord Nelson
27-09-2007, 06:21 PM
But isn't the law in place as we speak that if you have sex with a person under the age of 16 that is rape!!

That is right Trevortt sex with a minor under the age of 16 is a criminal offence and is basically rape.
This is very worrying when certain people like violentpacifist are unaware of the fact.......:eek:


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