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Originally Posted by Expounder

This culture of anti social arrogance and violence has been prevalent since the 60s the rot set in when the first the first offspring of the 50s migrants started school. It started with small gangs in state schools intent on preventing the teaching of students, disrupting classes making it difficult for teachers to do their job. The sheer scale of this was a new phenomenon and no one knew how to handle this. I can vouch for this as my son was one of the victims of this mindless activity which was also the reason for the deterioration of education in state schools. during the 60s which went slowly downhill since.

From this, the local gang culture was born, and over the years all hues of governments and parties back peddled and bent over backward to placate and excuse this

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Originally Posted by Expounder

Clegg and co had a choice, they may argue that the Labour brand was tired and tainted and that they had to make the other choice on the basis of the pre election promises made by Cameron to the electorate. In the mix, was the attraction of the power and the glory of ministerial posts in government. The glint in Vince Cables eyes during the negotiations of trying to form a coalition government as they went from one meeting to another told me they couldn't believe their luck at the outcome of the election result.

Lets suppose we accept the Lib Dem argument about the choice they made. After over a year in office they can see that that all of the promises made by Cameron to the electorate have been broken.They were stiched up on the AV referendum by Cameron and the Tory and Murdoch

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Originally Posted by Expounder

Poor response to my post Major shame on you, a classroom jibe because I missed an O in my
percentages , and a juvenile answer to the points I raised, which were totally ignored, and which are all factual. Do you dispute that Cameron lied when he addressed the pathologists? When he's admitted that all he's doing now was planned while in opposition. Do you agree or disagree that the casino bankers want to get back to gambling with our savings and pension funds who reap all the benefits when they win, and pass the debt onto the ordinary tax payer when they lose? Are any "ring fenced" non casino mortgage and savings banks to be set up to protect the man in the street from a shower gambling crooked shysters?

You sneer about the provenance of the Daily Mirror there

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Originally Posted by Expounder

What pathetic excuse Clegg offers for a "breakdown" in talks with Labour, his sell out to Cameron was already a done deal before he ever spoke to them. He couldn't wait to put his signature to it.

The smell of the crumbs of a morsel of power and the ministerial perks that go with it was enough Lib Dem leadership betray their principles and the principles of their members. The Lib Dems are finished as serious political party, as their leaders are prepared to throw their lot in with the Tories for minor seats at the table. They have been absorbed into the Tory party machine.I believe Lib Dem members will split into factions at the next General Election as the party they belonged to no longer exists.

The debates: Nick Clegg "The Tories are linked

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Originally Posted by Graveland

So then no party obtained a conclusive mandate for their policies and such a coalition as we have now is the logical way forward, your just peeved off your party couldn't muster enough dignity to compromise. Perhaps if they hadn't been courting (and blatantly ignoring) the fears of the senior civil servants and LISTENING to what people outside their little power bubble were saying they might still be in power. How ironic that they offer voting reform to the liberals and yet in the very scenario of Google Page Ranking voting they are unable to deal with their closest political allay. What does that tell you??
Explain to me how 18 years of Tory government was worse than the 13 years of Labour's. Because as far as I can tell Labour are incapable of admitting mistakes and subsequent failures, the Tories

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