The IMF wants a $ Trillion to 'save the Economy:

How to save the EURO, and get rid of the US Derivative Albatross around the neck of the World.

The effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario. The United States economy is intimately tied to the dollar's role as reserve currency. This doesn't mean that the U.S. couldn't function otherwise, but that the transition would have to be gradual to avoid such dislocations (and the ultimate result of this would probably be the U.S. and the E.U. switching roles in the global economy).

In the aftermath of toppling Saddam it is clear the U.S. will keep a large and permanent military force in the Persian Gulf. Indeed, there is no "exit strategy" in Iraq, as the military will be needed to protect the newly installed Iraqi regime, and perhaps send a message to other OPEC producers that they might receive "regime change" if they too move to EUROs for their oil exports.
Iraq was destroyed for only one reason, to protect the Oil Dollar. Iran, and coincidentally the EURO, is being targeted by the US for daring to allow IRAQ and IRAN to replace the hierarchy of the $ as the single trading currency of OPEC. The $Trillion US Intelligence Budget is concentrated upon protecting the $ by destabilising any country who want to escape the tyranny of the $ Dollar. Shouls the EU not be countering this despotism with equal ferocity as opposed to entering Coalitions against Middle Eastern OIL suppliers, who only want freedom from US Empire domination.
It is beyond time to clean out the Augean stables.

Every time I come across Tory demented screaming for 'hanging' I smile to myself. While, in theory, I have nothing against the Death Penalty...and it is inevitable that we will see it return to the statute books, .it is really only the Tory demented, who always specify 'hanging' as the ideal deterrant.
Once upon a time, 'burning at the stake was a Tory favorite, especially when it was a victim from the tribe of Jacob, as they were 'dibbing' his pockets for his money and property, now they just 'dibb' everybodys pockets, for whatever they can steal. they never were particular,
As they now need a new profits contribution centre, may I suggest the Muslim medievalism au currant in Saudi Arabia today.
Lots of super rich celeb witches to bolster Tory demented coffers. It is concomitant with ancient and new Tory practices, starving the poor, the aged and the sick, bound to win the approval of all the rich muslin's they invite to abuse our country.
The new Tory demented religion, or is it, they always took a short cut to amassing fortunes, even as they mouthed Christian dogma, usually over the dead bodies of the people.

Woman in Saudi Arabia Beheaded for Witchcraft

Posted on December 13th, 2011 by Jeremy Anthony

On Monday, a woman in Saudi Arabia was taken to the guillotine and beheaded for practicing witchcraft and sorcery. In the extremely conservative state of Saudi Arabia, sorcery, witchcraft, and blasphemy are all considered crimes that are punishable by death. Saudi Arabia’s Interior Ministry said Amina bint Abdul Halim bin Salem Nasser was executed for having ”committed the practice of witchcraft and sorcery.”

This prompted Amnesty International to step in and put a halt to the executions there as this was one of 79 in Saudi Arabia this year, with at least 27 in 2010. Not only have there been this many executions in 2011, there have been several of its kind in recent months according to Amnesty. In a statement on Monday, the human rights group said that the beheading was “deeply shocking”, and that it ”highlights the urgent need for a halt in executions in Saudi Arabia.”

“While we don’t know the details of the acts which the authorities accused Amina of committing, the charge of sorcery has often been used in Saudi Arabia to punish people, generally after unfair trials, for exercising their right to freedom of speech or religion,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s interim director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme.

This case is not the first execution on the basis of ‘sorcery’ and ‘witchcraft’ to receive such huge media attention. Back in 2008, a Lebanese TV host named Ali Hussain Sibat was charged with sorcery while on a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia. Charged and sentenced to death the next year in 2009, Sibat still remains in prison.

It is very sad to hear about a society that still has the same principles as a medieval community after hundreds of years of advancement in not only moral principles, but in knowledge and technology. It seems that the accusations made in Saudi Arabia are just reasons to punish people, giving them zero human rights. I think we all hope that Amnesty International and similar activist groups can make a big impact on helping progress kingdoms such as Saudi Arabia.

If we want to discover what real falsity is...we only need look at Banksters Accounts, they are nothing but financial imagination, with the single aim of fraud.

Adam Smith Research Trust 2011

However, this paper argues that banking has become an exception to this
general rule. Recent developments in the accounting rules applied to banks,
and in the broader regulatory framework for banks, have allowed bank
executives to overstate their profits, feeding through into multi-million pound
bonuses for themselves and short-term gains for their shareholders. When
it comes to banks, accounting rules fail to perform their role of avoiding
deception and consequent misallocations of capital. Given banks’ financial
inter-dependence, the scale of their assets and their central role in allocating
capital across the economy, this failure is of much greater significance than it
would be in other industries.
This paper does not lament the forgone age of bank deregulation that
allegedly caused the crisis. Its complaints apply to the system of bank
regulation and accounting that are in force today and are planned for the
future. The rules introduced in reaction to the crisis – rules aimed at making
the banking system more transparent and its capital more secure – have
retained the International Financial Reporting Standards accounting rules
that encourage profit exaggeration. And the updated international rules
specifying banks’ capital and liquidity minima will only exacerbate the
incentives for bankers to engage in business aimed at nothing more than
“gaming the system”. As so often, these new policies have the opposite of
their intended effect.
There are a number of problems with these accounting standards, not least is
their conflict with UK law. Of great concern is that IFRS allows the ‘recognition’
of years of hoped for future income as current profit today. This paper is
structured around six important shortcomings in the rules governing bank
profit and capital reporting:The Law of Opposites | 7

Uncertain future cashflows can be recognised as certain by purchasing a
credit default swap (CDS) or similar “protection”, even though the supplier
of the protection is likely to default if the insured event occurs;
• Profits can be recognised from the increased value of assets, or decreased
value of liabilities, on the basis of a market price, even though the totality
of revalued assets or liabilities could not be sold at that price;
• Profits can be recognised from the increased value of assets, or decreased
value of liabilities, even when the revaluation of assets is estimated, not
by market prices, but by a model built by bank employees. This is the
so-called mark-to-model approach to valuation;

• The net present value of uncertain future cashflows can be recognised
as profits even when they are estimated using implausibly optimistic
forecasts. (This is a variation of the mark-to-model problem listed above);
• The EU’s IFRS accounting system, voluntarily adopted by UK and Irish
banks at the banking company level, is inconsistent with UK law
• Banks need not make provision for expected losses when calculating
their profit.
Much of the activity in the banking sector is aimed at nothing more than
exploiting these accounting rules to register inflated fake profits and hence
convert shareholders’ equity and, in extremis, debt-holders’ and taxpayers’
funds into executive bonuses.

You're Bank is crooked, are you fool enough to risk doing business with them. A simple alternative is a Credit Union or a carefully chosen Building Society.
Be afraid, be very afraid of Banksters.

It couldn't happen in UK...or has it already occurred

President's Private Sector Survey On Cost Control
A Report to The President (Reagan)
January 15, 1984. Available from the Congressional Research Service.
The excerpt below can be found on page 12.
· "Importantly, any meaningful increases in taxes from personal income would have to come from lower and middle income families, as 90% of all personal taxable income is generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.
· Further, there isn't much more that can be extracted from high income brackets. If the
Government took 100% of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for several days.
· Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:
· With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments.
· In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government."
So what we have is a central bank issuing worthless paper "money" that controls our economy, our lives and our future. This private banking cartel was unconstitutionally granted this power by a devious, scheming group of senators back in 1913. In essence what they did was place the American people into indentured servitude by forcing The People to pay usury on worthless fiat currency (paper money created out of nothing), not to fund the government, but to enrich the bankers and fund wars in which America should never be involved. This system exists not to fund the government, but to allow the U.S. Congress carte blanche power to continue funding unconstitutional agencies and programs by providing them with a bottomless source of worthless ink.
Please read on: http://www.devvy.com/notax.html
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Now lets see what Droopy Cameo was protecting.








The City:
The only other possible comparable event to the destruction of our financial integrity is the 1720's South Sea Bubble;

The values of the famous Subscription Shares issued by the South Sea Company in
1720 have to be split into two components before they can be understood. One
component was a fractional claim upon one original share in the firm. The other
component, however, was a bundle of share warrants. The information contained in
share warrant values is potentially helpful in understanding the South Sea Bubble.
Warrant values might also be especially sensitive to "events" and "news" and could
provide new ways of marking the turning points in the South Sea Bubble and testing
for efficiency of markets. The level and volatility of subscription share prices are both
consistent with the hypothesis that the subscription shares were essentially share -A to show that there is nothing new in the means and ways that The City use to Con people out of their money:

At the height of equity values in late June 1720, subscription shares accounted for at
least 10 percent of all South Sea Company equity value.
3
They were issued to meet
the immediate cash needs of the firm. Some of the cash would have had to be used in
the exchange packages the Company was offering to government annuitants, but by
far the largest use of the cash was in the form of loans to shareholders who were
pledging their shares as collateral for loans.

4
Warrants. Oh dear, cousins of the modern day Derivative toilet paper, which, who would doubt it, have also gone the same way.
Straight shares and warrants embedded in the subscription
shares we can account for, but this is not where the accounting of South Sea share
warrants will end. The Company was also engaged in a substantial programme of
loans to shareholders that it hoped would somehow support the market value of
shares. In running this programme the Company was quite busy in handing out share
conversion privileges (warrants) to privileged recipients of these loans. These
warrants were not traded and so direct observations of their values would not be easy to
obtain.
We're paying for them...again, so someone better bloody find out, how much.

Irrational exuberance pervades the stock market. Speculators pay ever-higher prices for shares despite scant evidence of underlying value. Skeptics warn that the bubble will burst. This must be England in 1720.
The South Sea Company was founded in 1711 by Robert Harley, who wished to create political allies. The leader of the Tory party and soon to be lord treasurer, Harley wanted an end to the unpopular War of the Spanish Succession. The South Sea Company, as set up by act of Parliament, had a monopoly to conduct England's trade with Spain's colonies in the West Indies and South America. Harley advanced the notion that permission to conduct such trade would be ceded by the Spanish king as part of the price of peace.
The company had the further splendid purpose of relieving the government of its burdensome unsecured public debt--obligations for which Parliament had assigned no funds--which then amounted to £9,000,000. South Sea was organized under the newish joint-stock principle, as a corporation with transferable shares. Holders of the national debt were obliged to exchange their government securities for shares at par in the company. The company could raise working capital--a huge amount of it--by borrowing on the security of the debt due from the government. In addition to its trade monopoly, the company would get an annual payment from the Exchequer of £568,279 10s., or 6 percent of the debt taken over. Stockholders had no promise that they would see any of this as dividends, but who could blame them for thinking that capital gains based on trading profits were a certainty?
It was an optimistic age. People had a passion for business and followed developments avidly through a newly burgeoning medium, the newspaper. In 1702 London had one daily newspaper; by 1709 there were 18. Harley had able propagandists, Jonathan Swift and Daniel Defoe among them. (Critics included Joseph Addison and Richard Steele.) The managers of the South Sea Company understood the value of publicity (as well as fine print) in the advancement of their affairs and once issued a press release, surely an early example of that genre.


Well, wouldn't you know, its still going along quite smoothly except, its the pension funds and taxpayers who are supporting the Bubble. Exactly what has changed in 290 years. The City and Politicians are still swindling us.

Bush, the historical cowards's version of Corporate No Law, is coming to the UK: commit as many frauds on the Taxpayer as you can and when your fraudster tricks are exposed, simply pay a whooping great fine which allows you to continue with as much criminal activity as you wish. HSBC has swindled old aged pensioners for years, they paid off the nasty regulators and had their swindling licence renewed.

US -style justice for the City (Sunday Times...bottom of front page of Business section: is that understandable for the odd ones who find it a chore to Google UK; Jonathan Russel writes...Plea bargaining to settle serious financial crimes could be introduced as early as next year according to politicians and legal experts. Obviously going to be a bumper Xmas and a wonderful depression time for somebody then, guaranteed fortunes in pay-offs from our criminal Banksters, with taxpayers' money of course.
What I don't understand is that being already in the City no justice zone anyway, why do they need to copy the criminal USA, They have had no JUSTICE for generations, unless you are unlucky enough not to be a wealthy financial Bankster. In fact they have destroyed the Global monetary system but, what else can be expected from a country who owes the World.
Breaking News:
We are now out of that filthy EU at last: Murky and Sarkozy are forming a new EU Treaty.Hurrah!

On 20th Dec. RBS is called to a meeting in Switzerland to report why it is not paying down interest on Bond Issues E- Mac 2004-IB.V Class C/D Mortgage Backed Securities....in other words, CDS Derivatives toilet paper. Taxpayers would be well advised to empty their Bank Accounts....as they will be raided to cover some sticking plaster payment.
Only a fool would keep money in a Bank these days.
As with all Banksters, this is hidden under RBS offshoot RBS N.V. Each of them will be in Switzerland soon, but only as their Offshore subsidiaries, who issued the Bonds. We are propping up Euro clone offshoots of UK Banksters.

Why taking our Pension money is simply a Con. If we gave the Banksters all the UK Taxes for the next 1,000 years, they would still not be Solvent.

Source: OTC derivatives market activity in the first half of 2011 and Semi-annual
OTC derivatives market
Activity in the first half of 2011 Bank for International Settlements 2011. All rights reserved. Brief excerpts may be reproduced or translated provided the source is cited.
After an increase of only 3% in the second half of 2010, total notional amounts outstanding of
over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives rose by 18% in the first half of 2011, reaching $708 trillion
by the end of June 2011 (Graph 1, left-hand panel, and Table 1).1
Notional amounts outstanding of credit default swaps (CDS) grew by 8%, while outstanding equity-linked
Contracts went up by 21%. Gross market values 2 of all OTC contracts declined by 8%, driven mainly by the 10% reduction in the market value of interest rate contracts. CDS market values were almost unchanged. Overall gross credit exposure 3 dropped by a further 15% to $3.0 trillion,
compared with a 3% decrease in the second half of 2010.
$707,568,901,000,000: How (And Why) Banks Increased Total Outstanding Derivatives By A Record $107 Trillion In 6 Months
While everyone was focused on the impending European collapse, the latest soon to be refuted rumors of a quick fix from the Welt am Sonntag notwithstanding, the Bank of International Settlements reported a number that quietly slipped through the cracks of the broader media. Which is paradoxical because it is the biggest ever reported in the financial world: the number in question is $707,568,901,000,000 and represents the latest total amount of all notional Over The Counter (read unregulated) outstanding derivatives reported by the world's financial institutions to the BIS for its semi-annual OTC derivatives report titled "OTC derivatives market activity in the first half of 2011." Indicatively, global GDP is about $63 trillion if one can trust any numbers released by modern governments. Said otherwise, for the six month period ended June 30, 2011, the total number of outstanding derivatives surged past the previous all time high of $673 trillion from June 2008, and is now firmly in 7-handle territory: the synthetic credit bubble has now been blown to a new all time high. Another way of looking at the data is that one of the key contributors to global growth and prosperity in the past 10 years was an increase in total derivatives from just under $100 trillion to $708 trillion in exactly one decade. And soon we have to pay the mean reversion price.Source: OTC derivatives market activity in the first half of 2011 and Semi-annual

Why taking our Pension money is simply a Con. If we gave the Banksters all the UK Taxes for the next 1,000 years, they would still not be Solvent.

Source: OTC derivatives market activity in the first half of 2011 and Semi-annual
OTC derivatives market
Activity in the first half of 2011 Bank for International Settlements 2011. All rights reserved. Brief excerpts may be reproduced or translated provided the source is cited.
After an increase of only 3% in the second half of 2010, total notional amounts outstanding of
over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives rose by 18% in the first half of 2011, reaching $708 trillion
by the end of June 2011 (Graph 1, left-hand panel, and Table 1).1
Notional amounts outstanding of credit default swaps (CDS) grew by 8%, while outstanding equity-linked
Contracts went up by 21%. Gross market values 2 of all OTC contracts declined by 8%, driven mainly by the 10% reduction in the market value of interest rate contracts. CDS market values were almost unchanged. Overall gross credit exposure 3 dropped by a further 15% to $3.0 trillion,
compared with a 3% decrease in the second half of 2010.
$707,568,901,000,000: How (And Why) Banks Increased Total Outstanding Derivatives By A Record $107 Trillion In 6 Months
While everyone was focused on the impending European collapse, the latest soon to be refuted rumors of a quick fix from the Welt am Sonntag notwithstanding, the Bank of International Settlements reported a number that quietly slipped through the cracks of the broader media. Which is paradoxical because it is the biggest ever reported in the financial world: the number in question is $707,568,901,000,000 and represents the latest total amount of all notional Over The Counter (read unregulated) outstanding derivatives reported by the world's financial institutions to the BIS for its semi-annual OTC derivatives report titled "OTC derivatives market activity in the first half of 2011." Indicatively, global GDP is about $63 trillion if one can trust any numbers released by modern governments. Said otherwise, for the six month period ended June 30, 2011, the total number of outstanding derivatives surged past the previous all time high of $673 trillion from June 2008, and is now firmly in 7-handle territory: the synthetic credit bubble has now been blown to a new all time high. Another way of looking at the data is that one of the key contributors to global growth and prosperity in the past 10 years was an increase in total derivatives from just under $100 trillion to $708 trillion in exactly one decade. And soon we have to pay the mean reversion price.Source: OTC derivatives market activity in the first half of 2011 and Semi-annual

This couldn't happen in England, could it? naw, our Press are 3 Blind Monkeys.


Over the past few days we have seen a trruly remarkable and even more truly frightening occurrence, one I never thought I’d see in America. Legitimate reporters are not being allowed to cover the news and it’s happening all across our country. In a recent report, Reporters Without Borders raised concerns about the number of incidents in which credentialed reporters have been forcefully and physically prevented from covering police attacks on OWS encampments and the disparity in the legal outcome of their arrest. In part. their report says:
“Sometimes they are arrested and then set free almost immediately. Sometimes they are arrested and, before being released, are charged with unlawful assembly, disorderly conduct or lack of press credentials.
Journalists covering the Occupy Wall Street movement’s protests and marches are not only exposed to police brutality but also to a sort of judicial lottery when detained. The situation varies from state to state, according to local laws, but the freedom to report news and information is being violated almost everywhere, not only for professional journalists but also for bloggers and for activists who want to cover the protests themselves.
The other question is the very variable nature of the charges – sometimes maintained, sometimes dropped – that are brought against these people for ‘offences’ that are essentially identical. In the name of the constitutionally-enshrined right to receive and impart news and information, we call on the courts to dismiss all the charges against individuals who have been covering these demonstrations peacefully.”
From the Eurasia Review

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United Kingdom is being laid by strictly illegal means, unseen and unheard by the PEOPLE.The Cabinet of the Dictatorship, outwardly pretends we have a Constitutional government, but inwardly we have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a Confederation of Financial, Bureaucratic and Corporate elitism .with the single aim of enslaving the people."

Oh damn it is :

This culture of anti social arrogance and violence has been prevalent since the 60s the rot set in when the first the first offspring of the 50s migrants started school. It started with small gangs in state schools intent on preventing the teaching of students, disrupting classes making it difficult for teachers to do their job. The sheer scale of this was a new phenomenon and no one knew how to handle this. I can vouch for this as my son was one of the victims of this mindless activity which was also the reason for the deterioration of education in state schools. during the 60s which went slowly downhill since.

From this, the local gang culture was born, and over the years all hues of governments and parties back peddled and bent over backward to placate and excuse this behavior. I'm a Labour man to the core, but living in Islington I could see which direction this sub culture was heading. All political parties [in their naivety} in their answer to the problem was to try to was to pump money in to youth schemes [very natural in the normal order of things] but did so by ignoring to a large extent the developing undercurrent of the gang and drug culture developing on the large housing estates in working class areas, in which youth centers while well intentioned was no answer the to the problem. We had plenty of warnings of what these low lives were capable of In Brixton and Toxteth, thet laid low and festered over the years dealing their poisonous drugs to fund their "gangster" lol life style. and pollute whole sections of naive youth who began to ape them
.

We have now witnessed the result of misreading and in many cases ignoring outright criminality of the workshy drug pushing sewer rats in these inner city estates who have no morals, empathy, or respect for society, who want instant wealth and "fame" and flash cars that they see owned by host of moronic gyrating girl and boy bands, many rapping their anti social crap encouraged by the media.

Some good may come out of the events of the last few days, insofar as these cretins have shot their last bolt by their animal like actions in their aims to destroy lives and property. The gloves are off and no amount of excuses for their actions from within their communities or outside of them will convince the British public again that society is to blame for their degenerate actions. The inner city gangs are based in the yardie drug dealing gangs of Jamaica where gun crime is the norm and decent citizens of that country live in fear of their lives from the kind of thugs we have recently witnessed operating in our cities.

I feel that any more complaints about Real affirmative action against this abominable sewer pit of the human race will fall on deaf ears. The problem is the prisons are full almost to capacity so Cameron and co have problem here. The proposed government reductions in the military and police numbers have to be dumped, and if need be, increased, with the police in the event of riot, allowed to use baton rounds against these thugs. Also Blackberry had better get it's act together and withdraw the facility of encrypted messaging which was the means by which this scum managed to outwit the police.

Clegg and co had a choice, they may argue that the Labour brand was tired and tainted and that they had to make the other choice on the basis of the pre election promises made by Cameron to the electorate. In the mix, was the attraction of the power and the glory of ministerial posts in government. The glint in Vince Cables eyes during the negotiations of trying to form a coalition government as they went from one meeting to another told me they couldn't believe their luck at the outcome of the election result.

Lets suppose we accept the Lib Dem argument about the choice they made. After over a year in office they can see that that all of the promises made by Cameron to the electorate have been broken.They were stiched up on the AV referendum by Cameron and the Tory and Murdoch press who had no intention of allowing it to be discussed in a neutral way.. They are now left propping up a right wing ideologically driven Tory party that has ceded nothing of consequence the LibDems and are being used by the Tories to drive through an excessive austerity program which constitutes an attack on the social fabric of Britain.

After all of this they still hang on to their ministerial cars and salarys, hanging their heads in shame. If they want to regain any semblance of self respect they have to leave the coalition now, after the electorate and themselves have seen the real meaning of and aims of the Tory party, and vote independently with their their true Liberal consciences if they have any left. The Tories have been exposed for what they are a lying dishonest party of millionaires who conned Clegg and co to become their partners in crimes against society, if they did this they may still retain some loyalty of the Lib Dem voters who have been deceived.

Army higher ranks are dumping this incompetent government so fast that only bus conductors will be available to direct the losing WAR in Libya. 4 senior officers are applying to retire for every single slot available.

Even when there are no Civvy jobs available. The Coalition and its Nazi leaders, will soon find themselves....Armsless.

Missiles fired from Pakistan targeting villages in eastern Kunar province is a plain invasion, Afghan House of Representatives said on Monday.

This is not the first time that Pakistan is firing missiles on Afghanistan and the government should not remain silent, legislators said.

Some parliamentarians said defence and interior and foreign ministers should be summoned to the house to answer questions about Pakistani missile attacks.

Pakistan's missile attack could be an indication of Pakistan's dishonesty in Afghan peace talks with the Taliban.

"I want to ask government officials why they call Pakistan a friend when its fires missiles into Afghanistan," Mohammad Farhad Azimi, an Afghan MP, said.

A number of parliamentarians see government's silence controversial towards the missile attacks.

Another Afghan MP, Abdul Hafiz Mansouri, said: "I think top security officials must be summoned over recent escalation of insecurity in particular missile attacks from Pakistan."

Last week around 148 missiles fired from Pakistan landed in eastern Kunar province killing four children and wounding six others.

Meanwhile, commander of the first border zone has urged President Hamid Karzai to deliver an order of counter-attack.
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What are we actually doing leaving our soldiers in this insane cauldron of deceit?

UK/US Governments are claiming friendship with the potential murderers of our Troops, Pakistan, Yet the above reports show they are firing Rockets at our troops. On what Planet are Droopy Cameron and the US living on....as it can't be the real World.

Yeah! We want to ask the same thing of our governments: Mohammed

In 1968 over ten million people cued outside Jewish state offices, in almost every non Arab country, to go to Israel's aid, the next time it will be 40 million. Israel is never lacking in the admiration or support, of those who have learned to respect and admire the courage and restraint it constantly reveals, to a World mired in deceit.

Oh yes, Part 2. You maY not be opposed to nationalism but the EU is: otherwise how could they get their greasy hands on British money. You should have known the EU Directates on Nationalisation if your a serious bi- lateral defender of PS.

WE HAVE THE WAY TO CIRCUMVENT THIS PS AND EU INTERFERENCE. LOCAL COUNCILS HAVE THE MEANS AND ABILITIES TO RUN LOCAL INDUSTRIES AND A LOCAL NHS, AS THE MAYOR OF LONDON RUNS TRANSPORT. LET LOCAL COUNCILS AND EVEN PARISH COUNCILS RUN LOCAL INDUSTRY AND MAKE THEM SUPPORT ANYONE OUT OF WORK. THIS ANSWERS ALL YOUR RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE ABILITIES OF THOSE WHO MAY RUN NATIONALISED INDUSTRIES: ANY SWINDLING, SUCH AS OUR POWER COMPANIES ARE DOING, WOULD BE SOON NOTICED......SO, HOW ABOUT A GREEN LOCAL POWER SUPPLIER. A GREEN WATER SUPPLIER ETC. THIS WOULD GET OUR UTILITIES BACK WITHOUT US WASTING A PENNEY.

You are now admitting that the people were conned by the Tories and, what is worse, you are condoning it.

The crux of your arguement, it seems, is that you had to destroy the dignity and financial security of those who had spent five desperate years of their lives defeating another screwball who wanted a 'Global Market'. Men who were much better than the tory rubbish who were robbing them.

Nevermind that we already bought and paid for these life sustaining utilities, nor that the death warrants handed out by politicians, who, as ever, only fight their tendency towards obesity from digging into the trough, had been narrowly evaded - natures' death warrant could be staved off by eating better and resting more, except, that this did not suit the tories. They, as always, wanted slaves and slaves they would have no matter what. Then , as now, it began by dismantling the NHS. Nothing original about your tactics.... is there? But when your Global crap fails, as it can never be sustained, who do you come too for bailout --why , the same bodies you use when your hiding in terror from the vengence of your global crime partners: those who can least afford it.

Poor response to my post Major shame on you, a classroom jibe because I missed an O in my
percentages , and a juvenile answer to the points I raised, which were totally ignored, and which are all factual. Do you dispute that Cameron lied when he addressed the pathologists? When he's admitted that all he's doing now was planned while in opposition. Do you agree or disagree that the casino bankers want to get back to gambling with our savings and pension funds who reap all the benefits when they win, and pass the debt onto the ordinary tax payer when they lose? Are any "ring fenced" non casino mortgage and savings banks to be set up to protect the man in the street from a shower gambling crooked shysters?

You sneer about the provenance of the Daily Mirror there may be a lot of paraphrasing of political articles but the seeds of truth are there, albeit to your displeasure, as it's the only Red Top daily which is anti Tory.. My wife reads the Mirror and I read the Sunday Observer/Guardian which I've linked to this forum dozens of times if you ever read them. The time to start sneering at the Daily Mirror is when it publishes lies, and not because it's a Red Top representing views you disagree with.

I am forceful with my posts because of the deluge of right wing bilge I need to counter. This is no time for a gentleman's debating society, debating length the pros and cons of the policies of this Lying Tory led government. Every one can see which way were heading and I hope that those affected [which is virtually the whole of the working population] will stand up and fight for a fair and humane society and boot this lying "Coalition"flying-pig out of office A.S.A.P.

There will be no seismic shift towards the BNP, if nothing else, "The Battle For Barking" exposed the BNP and it's associated organisations like the EDL, filled with violent racist thugs many recruited from the extreme end of the violent football minority. By it's nature it also attracts the psychopathic violent in society who find these organisations an ideal outlet for venting their pent up twisted hate.

What sane person would vote for a party of mature adult political thugs, the program if anything put the final nail in the BNP coffin by exposing the underlying smoldering hate and potential violent behaviour of it's members which will no doubt have knock on effect on the the English Defence League.

I would like to congratulate the program makers for making the ultimate reality TV program and not the contrived rubbish nightly dumbing down our TV viewing.

I have nothing but admiration for Margaret Hodge and her courage, she stood out as a shining example of how to beat violent racist organisations which would destroy our society.

Lets try to keep it tidy no pseudo political tricks.

Earnest and Young (Item club): "Today's figures provide further evidence that the housing market is set to dip over the coming months": so voting, is this the same sort of meaningless 'voting' that got an Nazi style Government into Dirt St?

Empty properties don't pay rates so SERVICES are the key to Council prosperity and we won't get any 'VOTE' on curtailing the huge increases in the delivery of those.
In all fairness it would be a kindness if some contributors simply did not regurgitate the drivel from PR Central Office of our new Dictatorship.

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I hold no brief for 'Kabul' Brown and have long known he was as mad as a hatter, (my newspaper boozing buddies made themselves scarce when even free air trips with him were mooted) BUT and I do mean But, place your blame on the right shoulders - The denizens of the City of London commited TREASONOUS felony upon the CROWN, the Queen's Government and the people of this country, The details have been published ad naseum and yet there are no prosecutions: is it because they were advised by Chancery crooks that they were able to conceal and avoid prosecution so long as nobody knew what they were doing - which was, as Barclays claimed SUCCESSFULLY IN COURT, their Intellectual Property. So a note to all conspiring to commit a felony: tell the court the plan is your IP. Send your gratefull donations to:

quite correct, they were individually elected and failed to achieve a majority to form a government, it is in this way that we the 'voters' showed that we were unconvinced that cameron, clegg nor brown were acceptable as leaders of the country.
They then unilatterly formed a coalition which we were excluded from ratifying, and there is substantial reason to believe that the glipdems rank and file had they been aware of the true details of the agreement, would not have accepted it. I wonder what would have been the reaction if it had been a coalition between the torys and the bnp, would we have supinely laid down as we have now, and accepted it. The electorate have been disenfranchised via a tottally illegal constraint agreement. almost exactly identical to how Hitler stole power in 1933, The ultimate price we pay is unacceptable as my vote is no longer worth a spit -we have a dictatorship. I have no longer a vote nor do you.

The US claim, is that they invaded Afghanistan to save it from socio - anarchy, ie terrorists. Well, very laudable of them indeed, it is not often that, without being even asked, such an effort and expenditure is made for even a friendly power but, notwithstanding the fact that Afghanistan was the most unlikely country in the world to which the American people would want to expend their billions and childrens lives, the warwagon was hitched up and, to the bewilderment of most sane people, unwanted military aid arrived per pony express.
There is only one big problem with this unwanted largesse, the socio anarchists don't play according to script, they have now turned a civil conflagration into the anarchy of religious war - and no military general staff, particularly US, have the slightest understanding OF THE AMBIGUITY of religious war. These people are not any longer in the market place for bartering ideas and principles: they have donned the 'malgre' - the hair shirt, and no compromise other than total annihilation will suffice. As usual the UN is silent.

The US claim, is that they invaded Afghanistan to save it from socio - anarchy, ie terrorists. Well, very laudable of them indeed, it is not often that, without being even asked, such an effort and expenditure is made for even a friendly power but, notwithstanding the fact that Afghanistan was the most unlikely country in the world to which the American people would want to expend their billions and childrens lives, the warwagon was hitched up and, to the bewilderment of most sane people, unwanted military aid arrived per pony express.
There is only one big problem with this unwanted largesse, the socio anarchists don't play according to script, they have now turned a civil conflagration into the anarchy of religious war - and no military general staff, particularly US, have the slightest understanding OF THE AMBIGUITY of religious war. These people are not any longer in the market place for bartering ideas and principles: they have donned the 'malgre' - the hair shirt, and no compromise other than total annihilation will suffice. As usual the UN is silent.

Unfortunately, there are many assumptions about where the 'Camp' Palestinians originated. What was in the camps were 'the scum of the desert', not my words but Glubb's, recruited to murder and pillage what was believed to be a weak and unarmed newly, UN Legitimised, Israel, and abandoned on the Israeli borders when this failed. No Arab country would take any responsibility for them. Thus, was the myth created, a myth which has become a truism to suit a perverted politique. As the apple never falls too far from the tree, like their fathers and grandfathers, this lazy shiftless camp population now insist they are Palestinians but they have never lived or worked in Palestine. And, a great percentage of the US money you decry, has fed them for 60 years, you will note the lack of gratitude for this over generous welfare by the sheer enthusism they show in murdering young US soldiers.

Unfortunately, there are many assumptions about where the 'Camp' Palestinians originated. What was in the camps were 'the scum of the desert', not my words but Glubb's, recruited to murder and pillage what was believed to be a weak and unarmed newly, UN Legitimised, Israel, and abandoned on the Israeli borders when this failed. No Arab country would take any responsibility for them. Thus, was the myth created, a myth which has become a truism to suit a perverted politique. As the apple never falls too far from the tree, like their fathers and grandfathers, this lazy shiftless camp population now insist they are Palestinians but they have never lived or worked in Palestine. And, a great percentage of the US money you decry, has fed them for 60 years, you will note the lack of gratitude for this over generous welfare by the sheer enthusism they show in murdering young US soldiers.

Palestinian Land - Palestinian Land? This is a myth, there was no such thing. If you believe the stories they tell each other, and those gullible enough to listen, about how much land each lying nomad claims he owned, Palestine would be 100 times the size of India. Before the First World War this was the Ottoman Empire and before that the Byzantine Empire, none, except Turks, could own land. The Jews bought the land they live on which is a lot more legal then the imaginary ownership of the Nomadic Bedu. Arabs. This is just a gangster land claim financed by Popes and Muslim interests who have ever hated the Jewish Religion, a religion invented to relieve the burden of slavery, and imitated by Christians and Muslims for less honest purposes.
Long may the Israeli prosper in there own legal Dominion.

What pathetic excuse Clegg offers for a "breakdown" in talks with Labour, his sell out to Cameron was already a done deal before he ever spoke to them. He couldn't wait to put his signature to it.

The smell of the crumbs of a morsel of power and the ministerial perks that go with it was enough Lib Dem leadership betray their principles and the principles of their members. The Lib Dems are finished as serious political party, as their leaders are prepared to throw their lot in with the Tories for minor seats at the table. They have been absorbed into the Tory party machine.I believe Lib Dem members will split into factions at the next General Election as the party they belonged to no longer exists.

The debates: Nick Clegg "The Tories are linked up with a load of right wing nutcases in the EU". Now the Lib Dems are also linked up with them.

Clegg: 6bn worth of cuts to be made by the Tories this year would be "a disaster for Britain which could send the economy into a double dip recession". He's now seen the light and has been transformed into a slash and burn convert.

He's sold his party out for 30 pieces of silver and over the next few years he will have reaped what he's sown.

Read the link:

Nick Clegg: 'Gordon Brown's tantrum killed off Labour pact' - mirror.co.uk

So then no party obtained a conclusive mandate for their policies and such a coalition as we have now is the logical way forward, your just peeved off your party couldn't muster enough dignity to compromise. Perhaps if they hadn't been courting (and blatantly ignoring) the fears of the senior civil servants and LISTENING to what people outside their little power bubble were saying they might still be in power. How ironic that they offer voting reform to the liberals and yet in the very scenario of PR voting they are unable to deal with their closest political allay. What does that tell you??
Explain to me how 18 years of Tory government was worse than the 13 years of Labour's. Because as far as I can tell Labour are incapable of admitting mistakes and subsequent failures, the Tories have at least showed they will look at issues where maybe their thinking was wrong, or that the Liberals have a better policy and therefore implement that. It is dangerous for any party to assume they are right all the time, Labour tried 13 years of insatiable spin to project this image, the rubble that is being excavated is enormous...

EVERYTHING is looking absolutely rosy in the all-new and brightly shining Conservative-Liberal coalition. Well at this early stage it would, wouldn’t it?
But judging from the dire warnings coming from everyone involved from the Prime Minister down to the man who sweeps out the Liberal Hall in Yeovil they are going to take the type of budgetary decisions that will make them as popular as a couple of cheap tarts in the royal enclosure at Ascot.
Taxes will rise, other things will have new taxes slapped on them and they might even be forced into the novel notion of placing a tax on taxes. None of this will play well with the voting public. No more will the types of cuts to public services that we are promised will as swinging as Herod’s slaughter of the first born.
Just a few months down the line the mere words Conservative and Liberal will become the sort that young children get their mouths washed out with soap and water for uttering in the presence of their maiden aunts. The polls will probably start to place them as coming closely behind the party that proposes declaring war on the Channel Islands.
The members of this hotchpotch of a partnership are going to face the prospect of being as unelectable as Nick Griffin would be in Zimbabwe.
Then a bright young man, and the party machines assure us that they both have more of them than an aggressive farmer could shake a stick at during a prolonged drought, will come up with a bright idea “Why” he will ask “are we spending money and expending energy on splitting the vote by standing against each other in the majority of constituencies?”
Since, by that time, the members of the coalition will have no friends other than each other, even their closest families will regard them as pariahs, they will all breath a sigh of utter relief and throw them selves into each others arms one more.
Of course this would only be an alliance and not a conjoining of the two parties. It may well sound familiar and it might just work.
It would start as a temporary electoral pact. “Why should the two members of a ‘successful’ coalition fight each other at the hour of the nation‘s greatest need?“ They will ask. And so, it might come to pass. And then?
They will be on a slope that is both steep and slippery. Is this the beginning of the end for the liberals?

With Cameron's constitutional change for getting rid of an unpopular government from 51% to 55% majority he doesn't need the Lib Dems any more they were just window dressing to get him into No10. The total opposition including the Lib Dems can only muster 53%. We have a five year Tory dictatorship to do as they please.

The naive Lib Dems hungry for the trappings of power plus the grace and favour plush flats and ministerial cars can play at being cabinet ministers to satisfy their own personal egos, but truth be known they are no longer needed by Cameron to survive in No10. He played them for suckers and they fell for it.b-a-b-y

All of the promises he made can be reneged on and in spite of all protestations can remain in office

We are in for a five year Tory dictatorship if the Tories end up with a minority government and the Lib Dems pull out this farce of a coalition. You're so full of pontificating about the democtatic process don't you think this is the sort of stoke that any cheap political spiv would pull

The Tories have cynically overturned over two hundred years of parliamentary history practice to hold on to office if defeated by a simple majority vote. We know now, and so do the gullible Lib Dems,[who are really no longer needed except for window dressing] why they were so readily accepted into the Tory lair. It was to enable Cameron to cobble his ad hoc cabinet together to give this outrageous decision a veneer of legitimacy. He doesn't need the Lib Dems any more, job done and dusted.;-|

I hope there are legal channels that can be used to challenge and overturn this move to subvert true democracy. Everyone can see now that Cameron could have made a living playing the three card trick on a street corner.:cool:


The Tories are revolting: Coalition government faces first rebellion - mirror.co.uk

Paul Routledge - News Columnists - Mirror.co.uk

The fact that Cameron is having to hold his nose and talk to the Lib Dems is because he tried to become a Tony Blair clone. Surrounded by a small inner shadow cabinet clique and "strategist" Big Joke,b-a-b-y Steve Hilton and the Big Society, proves that his flawed judgement in every decision he made would make him a disaster as Prime Minister.

The election was his for the taking after 13 years of a Labour government. Ashcroft's millions into the marginals, a rabid anti Labour press [with one exception] a Labour P.M. more derided by the right than Hitler, plus Duffy Gate, three Labour MPs charged over the expences scandal and a one time 20% lead in the polls evaporating mainly because of Osbourne's gaff with the word austerity.

His problems are far from over even if the Clegg sells the Lib Dems out and opts to support the Tories. Both he and Clegg will both have the grass roots of their parties at their throats. Clegg is a closet Tory and would love to have three seats in a Tory/Lib coalition but is tied to enacting Lib Dem constitutional procedures. Cameron will have Tory hardliners breathing down his neck cursing him for his stupidity and demanding NO to P.R.

Whichever way this crisis of forming a government pans out, the Labour party is the winner. If Clegg goes for Cameron's offer, two years or less down the line, Labour with a solid block of seats in the commons and a new leader, will be ready for a return bout. With unemployment figures of over 3mn forcast because of immediate Tory slash and burn policies in public services,they will confirm Labour's prediction about Tory policies were correct, and that as Labour policies were not given a chance to be proved right or wrong they could get the benefit of the doubt.

On the other hand if Clegg is forced into a coalition with Labour, with Alistair Darling and Vince Cable directing the economy, and Brown agreeing to stand down when we are out of the woods, and a P.R. system in place it's bye bye forever to single party electoral landslides. In fact Cameron has unintentionally rescued Labour from a commons wipe out and placed it in poll position for the future.

So money bags Ashcroft's millions didn't desimate Labour, after 13 years our vote held up in our tribal fields and wiped the smirk off of Tory faces. The country didn't buy Big Society bull**** from Cameron and now his head's on the block with the rabid Tory rank and file looking for blood. Labour stand proud and firm in the face of one of the greatest Tory financial and media driven onslaughts ever experienced in it's history.

If Clegg does a deal with the Tories in his thirst for illusory meaningless power and becomes dish rag to be used by the slash and cut Tories he will become contaminated by the toxic association.I hope he refuses a full coalition with the Tories or Labour and let the Tories rule as a minority government not opposing the Queens speech and let them enforce their policies. They have highest proportion of votes for any single party, so let wingeing Cameron in, loose the reins give them a eighteen months or two years to prove exactly what they're about, then Labour the Lib Dems should go for the Tory jugular.Let then hang themselves with their own policies then face the public again.

Labour has to play this intelligently and not try to force the issue of a coalition with Clegg if his negotiations with Cameron breaks down. It would be a dogs dinner, a mish mash of policies including some Lib Dem hair brained policies rejected by the electorate which would weaken and erode Labour policies to resolve the recession and could end in Labour unable to take the full action it wanted to bring us out of recession and an early election keeping Labour out of power for years because of a useless Lib/Lab tie up.

Let the Tories loose as as minority party and let them do their worst and prove to the British public once and for all what they s stand for. Let loose the reins give them time to expose their utter calousness and unfairness when it comes to looking after the interests of the British people.

For Labour to try to salve anything out of this stand off would be a mistake, Let labour rest, and let the truth about the Bullingdon boys sink in.D-o-h

If any one has failed in this general election it's David Cameron. 13 Years of Labour government, an unpopular supposedly universally detested Prime Minister, Ashcroft's millions concentrated into brainwashing voters in marginals, with the exception of the Daily Mirror, a universally hostile press including Murdoch's Sun personally attacking Gordon Brown and rubbishing the Labour government policies on all fronts, TV pundits scarcely hiding their subtle dislike for Labour, the expenses scandal involving three Labour MPs being charged, along with Gordon Browns bigot-gate gaff and the Tories blowing a 20% one time lead in the polls, Cameron lost it.


If Gordon Brown's job is on the line at least Labour have a more than able replacement to step in immediately David Cameron's job is also under threat. Maybe not immediately, but when the dust settles, he will be blamed by the Tory elite for the shambles of a dogs dinner of a policy "The Big Society". The election results show that the three leaders debates turned out to be not a policy debating forum but a beauty contest which Clegg won on the beauty bit but turned to dust when put to the vote, with the voters also scratching their heads about Cameron's big society.:confused:D-o-h

The Tories are now in a hung parliament of their own making with the commons now in total disarray and unable to function until something is cobbled together.

With the Lib Dems in shell shock with less seats than they last had in the commons their members will be demanding that Clegg makes the best of a disastrous situation and use this possible last opportunity to get some kind of P.R. reform from any deal they make. This will not be forthcoming from the Tories because it would spell and end to any landslide Tory government of the future. Even if he tries flirting with Cameron for a place in a Tory administration just to raise his personal profile and ego, the policies set down by his cabinet and Vince Cable will come into conflict with Tory aims and would cause a rift between Clegg and his party.
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All the results are not yet in but with the Lib Dems [if they are willing] and some minor parties Brown may find a way of forming a government and remaining as P.M..

This you will say is all conjecture and it is. It seems as though this Mexican stand off, will take a hell of a lot of negotiations before it's resolved, if ever.

It seems I got it right when I pointed out in a recent post that Tory fire would be re-directed at Clegg who is now faced with a disgraceful smear campaign which was meant to be reserved for Gordon Brown and Labour at this point of the election run in. The Tories are pushing the smear button in order to damage Clegg in a squalid and disgusting dirty tricks campaign. The signs of Desperation are creeping in to the Tory campaign and we can expect more of the same over the next two weeks. At least Brown has been given some respite from Tory dirty tricks.

Cameron when challenged by Brown on free eye tests and free prescription charges for not being in the Tory manifesto, he petulantly blurted out, "ok we'll keep them". If you noticed he stopped Brown abruptly in the middle of a sentence before he got to prescription charges so while pensioner's free eye tests are "guaranteed" [for how long we don't know,] there is still a question mark in my opinion over free prescription charges. I still think that means testing these could be in the pipeline leaving more than a million OPs whose pensions are just above benefit qualifying rate paying out large amounts for their medication and loss of essential income.

What is needed from Cameron is an unqualified promise that these items will remain free not just a throw away knee jerk cocky promise in a debate that was forced out of him.

Tory council candidate in Poplar was arrested as two men tried to attack Prescott on the hustings, as they tried to push through a crowd of supporters a woman was knocked over and another allegedly punched in the stomach.

One more debate to go and hopefully the next one will be Cameron's swan song his meaningless Big Society slogan has bombed
like a lead balloon. Oh! to be a fly on the wall in conservative central office.b-a-b-y

Faced with a refusal by the Tories to support any kind of P.R. I would quote the old adage "half a loaf is better than none as far as the Lib Dems are concerned. Mind you if their surge translated into 100+ seats they may be in a position to force the full P.R. issue as a condition of accepting a coalition with labour as the Tories so far will have none of it. Except that is, if Cameron was so desperate become PM, does, what he has all through the campaign, change his mind and sell his anti P.R. principles to become PM.

Mind you I can't see this scenario as the policies of the Lib Dems and the Tories are like oil and water almost diametrically opposed. It's more likely to be a Lib/Lab pact as their policies on the economy are more in tune, or, face another election which I doubt strongly the Lib Dems would want as they would relish the opportunity of shared power after all these years in the wilderness.

I would add that as long as the Tories are kept out of office I would be quite willing to see a Lib Dem pact and some of their policies adopted.

I have my doubts about the theory that Lib Dem votes would be at the expense of the Tory party. I can't see any Tory voter embracing The Lib Dems love of the EU. After all the Tory party is planning to withdraw from most of the agreements made by previous governments with the EU.

The reason I say this is that the Telegraph led today with a ringing endorsement of nick Clegg's performance in the debate last night. This tells me the Tories have nothing to fear from the Lib Dems and any votes gained by them would be lost by Labour who have a similar policy towards the EU which would dissipate the Labour vote, a transparently devious ploy by the old blue rag.

The Lib Dems and Nick Clegg can promise the earth knowing full well that will not be forming the next government. The debate so far has not been about gritty details of unpopular policies but general outlines of intentions in which Nick Clegg can outline what he wants as he will never be held to account. Even in a hung parliament he would have to tailor his cloth to meet immediate challenges to which ever party he gives his support.

Cameron seemed shrill and agitated and caught out by the air brushing jibe by Brown and would not answer questions on policing and education when challenged by Brown. His promise to increase spending on the NHS and the elderly [related subjects] contrasts starkly with earlier promises before the campaign to only guarantee to maintain funding for the NHS in his first year in office [a statement now conveniently forgotten]. He is now guaranteeing total support for the full term. This, along with all his other opportunistic policy statement changes through the campaign means that when in office will have a reason to renege on anything he has promised on the pretext that he never new how bad the government books were when he took over.
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Brown surprised me as being unflappable as I thought he may have stumbled somewhere in the debate. In fact he came over as someone at ease and also a reassuring presence. As an incumbent he didn't have the freedom to espouse untried policies of the other two but committed himself well in the first debate.

All in All it was treated as the first round of a beauty and sound bite contest rather than an in depth political debate. Lets hope the other two to come reveal more unsavory details of what we are likely to expect in the next five years.

The motley lot of the EU far right parties is about to disintegrate and Cameron if he wins will be forced to eat humble pie by rejoining the the center parties. This is another example of one of his scatter brained b-a-b-y half cocked policies turning to dust.

This is an example of his total misjudgement in international affairs. This immature, impetuous, puerile, on the hoof decision made to impress EU sceptics should spell out what to expect of his economic decision making if in office.

Read on:

Cameron victory 'will marginalise Britain in Europe' - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Unless Ken Clarke changes his stance on the EU there is going to be a mighty rift in the Tory party. By moving away from the moderate center of the EU Cameron has declared a "war of attrition " on the main members, France and Germany. The Tories have thrown their lot in with the ineffectual ultra right and the pro Nazi Latvian grouping within the EU

If Cameron was serious about renegotiating EU membership issues he would have remained in the main moderate grouping and made his case from the inside. His association with and wanting to lead this disparate band of odd balls is sticking two fingers up to the mainstream grouping before any negotiations take place . He has deliberately alienated them in order to position himself for a confrontation which he hopes will lead to the renunciation of all EU treaties with Britain and start with clean slate to pick and choose the bits he or the Tories want.

He realises the history of Britain's whingeing, and nit picking especially under Thatcher, could get the rest of the EU to lose patience with the continuing hassle and decide to cut Britain loose. He and the rest of the sceptics would rather be out than in and if he gets this message across strongly enough, UKIP will be holding their AGM in a telephone box. Ken Clarke is keeping his mouth shut to close ranks before the election I can't see this lasting if the Tories win.

This Pope is in the same genre as Ashcroft, they seek to lead or influence from behind a shadow. We are actually discussing people who exhibit a DSPD profile ( Popies Nazi past and Ashcroft's Belize antics) it is a given that society should not be be exposed unnecessarily to those who exhibit such Dangerous Severe Personality Disorder traits.

Popie, as the Catholic Church, has no rights in England and, this is a so - called private visit, why then are we expected to pay for his holidays?

If the Tories win, News International will have a government that feels in it's debt. Murdoch is now becoming Britain's greatest threat to democracy. An example of the kind of attitude the Murdochs to have towards have to an investigation into the phone hacking scandal at the News of the World by a parliamentary committee was by saying the committee formed some kind of conspiracy.

The Murdochs are on a crusade to to establish themselves as absolute the king makers of who rules Britain by virtue of their media power.

The relationship Between Cameron and the Murdochs has gone much further than the relationship between Murdoch and Blair as both of their ideologies coalesce.

Read the links:



Rupert Murdoch's hunger for power is a threat to democracy | Henry Porter | Comment is free | The Observer

A paywall nobody will notice – because it comes bundled with your satellite TV | Media | The Observer

BBC to close two radio stations and halve web output after Tory pressure | Media | The Guardian


BBC cuts to 6Music, Asian Network, magazines, web, sport, imports: Still not enough for the Murdochs | Media | guardian.co.uk

'fortemque infortia misi (t'was I who sent the warrior to war) and this is the legacy for all of the Rotten cowardly Labour Party: and us, the people who allowed it to be done in our name.
You write as though you are a caring man - if this is so - what on earth would persuade you that dishonesty could ever bring about an acceptable compromise for the reputable people of this once proud nation.
If you value your precious party then, for goodness sake clean out your rancid stables and replace your devious traitors with those who have a true English character, but never ask others to be complicit or to forgo their principles as an expediency.
Your party has to go, it is rancid from top to bottom and, no longer has any legitimacy, We, The Working Class, totally disown the labour party: they no longer speak in our name.
And, it is a long time since they exerted any honest effort to better our circumstances.

I agree Labour/Tory policies are overlapping and as far as I'm concerned this has to come to an end. Blair saw the only way Labour was going to regain power was a move to the right and the main act that confirmed this was the exclusion of clause 4 from Labour's constitution. Most Labour people desperate to defeat the Tories went along with this after years of Thatcherism. Whether anyone liked it or not Blair was popular the evidence of this was another two clear election victories with the Tories in the doldrums. We were on a roller coaster ride.

What we didn't expect was the aggressive manner in which Thatchers policies were followed. With Blair so popular and unseatable and unstoppable, we went on a capitalist white knuckle roller coaster ride which ended as all capitalist white knuckle rides do in a slump. But this time it was total disaster Thatcher's free market policies was manna from heaven for the stock exchange dealers and the bankers who's actions spiraled out of control many becoming junkie gamblers and crooks playing the markets with others peoples money and receiving massive bonuses.

Blair got Labour into office but contaminated the party with the acceptance of the toxic brand of the Friedman/Thatcher ideology of don't worry, the markets are like water, will always find their own level. The problem is while this is true the human suffering and subsequent fall-out while this occurs is devastating.

That's very kind of you to acknowledge this but you speak for a very small minority of Tories. With regards to incompetence and dishonesty the Labour party doesn't own the exclusive rights to these failings as has been seen with the expences scandal and past Tory governments [the brown envelope practice in particular]. However,with the exception of a half dozen MPs the expences scandal was in my opinion quite honestly a Telegraph red herring,a hand grenade thrown to do as much damage to the commons as possible before the election hoping this would be advantagious to the Tories. Past practices and privileges encouraged in a large part by Thatcher who didn't want to be seen as profligate with the tax payer's money by increasing MPs salaries gave a wink and a nod for MPs to regard expences as perks and a part of salaries. The system wasn't right but the majority of MPs saw this in lieu of a justified demand of an increase in salary.

Labour has had it's fingers burnt and I am sure the majority of it's members in the commons have learned a hard lesson they won't forget, and this is the reason why I am prepared to back the party in the next election. The only other way would be to vote Tory which for any self respecting Labour voter is not an option as we would eventually be going down the same disasterous road again. It's a two horse race the other parties at this particular moment in time are the also ran.