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Originally Posted by coalition

'fortemque infortia misi (t'was I who sent the warrior to war) and this is the legacy for all of the Rotten cowardly Labour Party: and us, the people who allowed it to be done in our name.
You write as though you are a caring man - if this is so - what on earth would persuade you that dishonesty could ever bring about an acceptable compromise for the reputable people of this once proud nation.
If you value your precious party then, for goodness sake clean out your rancid stables and replace your devious traitors with those who have a true English character, but never ask others to be complicit or to forgo their principles as an expediency.
Your party has to go, it is rancid from top to bottom and, no longer has any legitimacy, We, The Working Class, totally disown the labour

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Originally Posted by Expounder

I agree Labour/Tory policies are overlapping and as far as I'm concerned this has to come to an end. Blair saw the only way Labour was going to regain power was a move to the right and the main act that confirmed this was the exclusion of clause 4 from Labour's constitution. Most Labour people desperate to defeat the Tories went along with this after years of Thatcherism. Whether anyone liked it or not Blair was popular the evidence of this was another two clear election victories with the Tories in the doldrums. We were on a roller coaster ride.

What we didn't expect was the aggressive manner in which Thatchers policies were followed. With Blair so popular and unseatable and unstoppable, we went on a capitalist white knuckle roller coaster ride which ended as all capitalist

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For many the grasp on reality is very tenuous, at best, their imaginary lives are so much more the way they want to be perceived by those around them. Such persons always feel the need to justify everything they say with logic, and are tottally unaware that logic, in a formal sense, has little to do with how they arrive at important decisions. In reality, the mind is too complex to make choices that way.

For example, what is the logic in wanting to catapult a person who, despite having had every advantage in life, at almost middle age, has no singular achievement to his credit. In fact, to the contrary, among his contemporaries the appellation to describe him are, greasy, manipulative and fawning.
Indeed a close observation of his behaviour since his elevation to the leadership ...

Originally Posted by Expounder

Get off your Tory high horse major, the polls are not looking so good now so enter the real Tory dirty tricks dept. Andrew Rawnsley's no names no pack drill tombe, based on tittle tattle hearsay from No.10 which he hopes will make him a lot of money by jumping on the "malign Brown" band wagon, has been seized on by the Tories to put the boot in. They have no policies worth mentioning so it's back to character assassination.Sadly for you and "bully" for Labour your petty little plan has again like the rest badly backfired.

Publicity seeking Christine Pratt, whose office National Bullying Helpline which is conveniently sited next door to Swindon's Tory H.Q. decided to put in her two pennyworth and was herself accused of bullying by the Japanese firm Sanden.

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Originally Posted by Expounder

The link below is worth a read as it deals with Cameron's latest conversion to extolling the virtues of the Co-op movement on the road to Damascus [ i.e. power]. Co-operatives are an integral part of the labour movement, worker co-operation could be described as a form of socialism but I'm sure this is far from what is on David Cameron's mind when he floats the idea.

As a friend of mine commented " David Cameron and the Tories wouldn't recognise a co-operative if it crept up on them and bit them on their arses." I doubt if Cameron will be following up on this idea for any of the companies in the private sector as it lacks one essential for them - the ability of companies to make profits out of workers labour power.

Notably, Co-operatives are self reliant

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