BNP leader Bill Bailey kicking constituent's head in yesterday.

[Neo2012]

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[MarkMuses]

"constituent"? Interesting way to describe a group of Asian thugs.

I see Hope not Hate have edited out who started it. You really are vile Neo.

[Barry]

"constituent"? Interesting way to describe a group of Asian thugs.

I see Hope not Hate have edited out who started it. You really are vile Neo.

Yes, that is a bit naughty, to say the least.
This shows the very aggressive stance of the Asians and also the disgusting spitting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDE00vdxMds

[ryoden]

Damn I used to think Bill Bailey was a really funny guy as well.....

Edit - (after watching the video)...oh it's Bob Bailey not to be confused with the comedian/musician. It's like watching a school yard spat, testosterone build up, posture, poke... and spit and they're off.

Result - both teams need better training, although the guy with the glasses really needs a Liverpool accent... "Calm down, calm down" LMAO

[Neo2012]

"constituent"? Interesting way to describe a group of Asian thugs.

I see Hope not Hate have edited out who started it. You really are vile Neo.

why? Your the one with double standards.

[MarkMuses]

I don't tout videos edited to lie and then switch topic when exposed for it. Shame on you.

[pauli007001]

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Self Defense i would say, notice he wasnt arrested for any crime, I doubt that the disgusting and Vile savage who assaulted the candidate will be arrested or charged with what can only be described as perhaps the second most visious type of assault know to Humankind.
Rape would be the worst assault, a bodily fluid assault is close, be it with saliva, urine or faeces, but then it is the UAF.

[Neo2012]

I don't tout videos edited to lie and then switch topic when exposed for it. Shame on you.

Your on drugs again.

1. Bailey shoved that lad 1st. He started it.
2. Little knob putting the boot into the bloke on the floor and then hotfooting it back behind mates when he got up. Class act, him.
3. 6 fascists grown men against 3 young lads. n well hard.
4. Legally/politically they should have walked away.
　
All equals you being a hypocrite, defending the violence of BNP supporters, whilst condemning anyone that uses violence against them. Next you will be saying the UAF is responsible. lol
　

[Neo2012]

Self Defense i would say, notice he wasnt arrested for any crime, I doubt that the disgusting and Vile savage who assaulted the candidate will be arrested or charged with what can only be described as perhaps the second most visious type of assault know to Humankind.
Rape would be the worst assault, a bodily fluid assault is close, be it with saliva, urine or faeces, but then it is the UAF.

UAF, you liar. Where were UAF? These double standards are typical of paranoid.


Yup self defence for the 3 asians, as the fascist made first contact. Also, self defense as the BNP racism. But I doubt the fascist is found guilty it will effect the tiny minority view, Im sure there will some excuse to carry on appeasing these fascists.

[Neo2012]

I have been told they've even started a group to whine about a 'racist attack. lol

Also, paranoia is strong;
In this case, laughing at the convicted driver Bob Bailey would have sufficed.

"Bob Bailey,...is no stranger to the odd pint or two, followed by another odd pint or two, the...semi-professional drinker currently serving out an 18 month driving ban after refusing a breath test when the police caught him driving without lights. "

Claimed his conviction was a 'conspiracy against him' introducing the novel concept of the 'politically motivated driving offence'! A court appointed doctor said that Bailey suffered a "possible personality disorder".
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/201...-hell-and.html

[Neo2012]

Oh yes, and self denfence because as bI've posted this elsewhere:
In the BNP constitution under the sub-titled section: "POLITICAL OBJECTIVES", it states:
"The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people..."
This next bit gives a clear indication of what they really mean, the BNP is:
"wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples."
That's black and white to you and me, but this integration has already happened, so the intention is to install an apartheid regime, but to be accepted here in the UK, it can only be imposed by violence.

[MarkMuses]

Your on drugs again.

1. Bailey shoved that lad 1st. He started it.
2. Little knob putting the boot into the bloke on the floor and then hotfooting it back behind mates when he got up. Class act, him.
3. 6 fascists grown men against 3 young lads. n well hard.
4. Legally/politically they should have walked away.
　
All equals you being a hypocrite, defending the violence of BNP supporters, whilst condemning anyone that uses violence against them. Next you will be saying the UAF is responsible. lol
　

Nonsense. The video and the audio clearly shows him stepping back as 3 of them invade his personal space right in his face in clearly threatening manner. He steps back again, they close again only then did he put his arm out to maintain a distance and can be heard warning them, then the thug spits on him.

If you were in the right about anything concerning the BNP you wouldn't need to constantly resort to lies. The fact the video events are so clear suggests to me that if anything, it is you on the drugs.

[Neo2012]

Nonsense. The video and the audio clearly shows him stepping back as 3 of them invade his personal space right in his face in clearly threatening manner. He steps back again, they close again only then did he put his arm out to maintain a distance and can be heard warning them, then the thug spits on him.

If you were in the right about anything concerning the BNP you wouldn't need to constantly resort to lies. The fact the video events are so clear suggests to me that if anything, it is you on the drugs.

I acknowledge all that. But it's all one sided to you. BNP supporters violence like cottage is excused, and any violence against the BNP is the UAF's fault [even if the violent aint UAF members.] The three lads were stupid. Not suprised he responded to spitting, as they responded to his aggressive "how many is there of us" "I'll do you" "how many of youse are robbers?"

It six grown men, being duped into responding to 2 kids [the stripey kid ran]. It's a grown man, and 2 candidates chasing kids down the street, to kick them in the head while on the floor. No attempt was made to get in a car and neutralise the situation, by grown men who should have known better. Even one the BNP members was pleading with Baily to calm down.

No one came out of this looking smart/good. They were as bad as each other. But the three kids weren't standing for election, and were immature. And what does Griffin say? YouTube - Nasty Nick meets his nemesis any normal paty leader would have been embarrassed to death, but no, it's a party of thugs.

[MarkMuses]

I acknowledge all that. But it's all one sided to you. BNP supporters violence like cottage is excused, and any violence against the BNP is the UAF's fault [even if the violent aint UAF members.] The three lads were stupid. Not suprised he responded to spitting, as they responded to his aggressive "how many is there of us" "I'll do you" "how many of youse are robbers?"

It six grown men, being duped into responding to 2 kids [the stripey kid ran]. It's a grown man, and 2 candidates chasing kids down the street, to kick them in the head while on the floor. No attempt was made to get in a car and neutralise the situation, by grown men who should have known better. Even one the BNP members was pleading with Baily to calm down.

No one came out of this looking smart/good. They were as bad as each other. But the three kids weren't standing for election, and were immature. And what does Griffin say? YouTube - Nasty Nick meets his nemesis any normal paty leader would have been embarrassed to death, but no, it's a party of thugs.

One sided?

I don't mind talking about another case, but your thread title is specific and your choice of video clip blatantly misleading. So I stay on topic and you accuse me of ignoring a completely separate incident?

You characterised these thugs as "constituents" in the title, now they're just "kids"? Anything to excuse street thuggery against whites eh? How much more 'enriching' can it get I wonder...

[Neo2012]

One sided?

I don't mind talking about another case, but your thread title is specific and your choice of video clip blatantly misleading. So I stay on topic and you accuse me of ignoring a completely separate incident?

You characterised these thugs as "constituents" in the title, now they're just "kids"? Anything to excuse street thuggery against whites eh? How much more 'enriching' can it get I wonder...

The video was all I had seen. Kids are constituents too, title merely conveyed what I saw.

"Anything to excuse street thuggery against whites eh?" So you are saying these 3 teenagers confronted 6 BNP men because they were white! Now who's misleading?

So your happy for people with power to chase teenagers down the street, to kick them in the head while on the floor, for spitting?

[MarkMuses]

The video was all I had seen.

Really? Well there's your problem. Stop blindly trusting anti-white hate sites and their doctored videos. At the very least give the slightly less biased BBC/mainstream media a look to verify it.

You embarrassed yourself by using a dodgy vid from a dodgy site and now its obfuscation tactic time.... I'm not playing. If you want to discuss another case, do start a suitably named thread. I'm sure I'll notice it at some point, but like I say, you were very specific in titling this one, so let it remain laid bare.

[Neo2012]

The title, and the vid were correct. That was the problem highlighted. If the fascist had responded like Prescott, fair enough. However, 6 grown running down the street to kick a teenager in the head, is not proportionate. And what does Griffin say when asked about this disproportionality?
YouTube- Nasty Nick meets his nemesis[/url]
Thugs in suites. Griffin "Defend rights for whites with well-directed boots and fists "
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Now you've lied again;
"Stop blindly trusting anti-white hate sites and their doctored videos. " Searchlight are white.
"Anything to excuse street thuggery against whites eh?" So you are saying these 3 teenagers confronted 6 BNP men because they were white! Now who's misleading?
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Same question>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your happy for people with power to chase teenagers down the street, to kick them in the head while on the floor, for spitting?

[ryoden]

SNIP

However, 6 grown running down the street to kick a teenager in the head, is not proportionate.

From a purely objective POV and in the name of accuracy.

I just watched this again and there are only as far as I can see three BNP members involved in the actual scuffle with three Asian youths, the overweight guy in white doesnt actually do anything offensive and the guy in glasses is calling for calm. There might possibly have been a fourth near the end who threw a single punch but I am not sure if he circled around, even so that's 3-4 not 6. As has been stated 1 youth obviously wasnt greatly interested in fighting so it was 3 on 2 as opposed to 6 on 1.

While I agree that people rightly have strong views with regards to racism it would save a lot of time and arguement if in future people would get their facts straight before posting. I used to take a lot of things at face value especially if they supported my POV but these days I usually take the time to check things out myself as best I can rather than blindly accept them.

I dont greatly like short videos for this reason especially if they are shot/manipulated by a less than impartial party, for instance we don't know what the three Asian youths were doing before they marched in. If for instance they were just standing there "hanging around" and the speaker just accused them of being "robbers" (at least thats what it sounded like but wasnt that clear) then obviously the BNP member was being provocative and in the wrong but if the "lads" had been following the BNP around throwing abuse or generally goading them then it puts a different light on things.

As my favourite Vorlon said "Understanding is a three edged sword” … your side, their side and the truth.

On a personal note even though it would be technically against the law I would probably attack someone who spat in my face, it's human nature for most males.

[Barry]

Neo2012 - Either you are watching a different video, or you have an awfully twisted view of events.

[Neo2012]

yup, there is 2 videos.

[Neo2012]

SNIP


From a purely objective POV and in the name of accuracy.

I just watched this again and there are only as far as I can see three BNP members involved in the actual scuffle with three Asian youths, the overweight guy in white doesnt actually do anything offensive and the guy in glasses is calling for calm. There might possibly have been a fourth near the end who threw a single punch but I am not sure if he circled around, even so that's 3-4 not 6. As has been stated 1 youth obviously wasnt greatly interested in fighting so it was 3 on 2 as opposed to 6 on 1.

While I agree that people rightly have strong views with regards to racism it would save a lot of time and arguement if in future people would get their facts straight before posting. I used to take a lot of things at face value especially if they supported my POV but these days I usually take the time to check things out myself as best I can rather than blindly accept them.



As my favourite Vorlon said "Understanding is a three edged sword" … your side, their side and the truth.

It take a lot of pausing, but right at the end you can count the fascists walking away, 6 including mr calm down. Again at begining count 5, and then mr calm down, gets out of a car 6. Yup not all 6 have a dig, 4 do I think. So 4 have a dig, I concede. However teenager in stripey jumper hit's noone, but get's digged, so you have to concede it's 2 not 3 teenagers. My point is, as Bailey points out, 3 teenagers are out numbered by 6 men.

I dont greatly like short videos for this reason especially if they are shot/manipulated by a less than impartial party, for instance we don't know what the three Asian youths were doing before they marched in. If for instance they were just standing there "hanging around" and the speaker just accused them of being "robbers" (at least thats what it sounded like but wasnt that clear) then obviously the BNP member was being provocative and in the wrong but if the "lads" had been following the BNP around throwing abuse or generally goading them then it puts a different light on things.

Precisely. Sounded like that to me too. Provacation.

On a personal note even though it would be technically against the law I would probably attack someone who spat in my face, it's human nature for most males

Agreed, thats why I said, "The title, and the vid were correct. That was the problem highlighted. If the fascist had responded like Prescott, fair enough. However, 6 grown running down the street to kick a teenager in the head, is not proportionate. [perhaps it should have read 6 grown men running down the street, 1 kicks a teenager in the head, another 3 have a dig, 1 watches, and 1 says calm down but does nowt, is not proportionate]
　
You know the detail is debatable, but as i said No one came out of this looking smart/good. They were as bad as each other. But the three kids weren't standing for election, to have power over our lives/futures. They are not racist, organising to impose discrimination through the state. Theren is not a moral equivalency.
Now contrast this.
UAF members spat and attacked by BNP candidate, but they take the matter to court, and the BNP member is convicted.
http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/news/BNP-candidate-spat-pushed-screamed-anti-racist-campaigners/article-2089767-detail/article.html

Can you see my point, there is not a moral equivalency? Let me phrase that question a different way. Would you say a black man beating up a member of the KKK because he's a racist, is the same as a member of the KKK beating a black man just because he is black?

[pauli007001]

UAF, you liar. Where were UAF? These double standards are typical of paranoid.


Yup self defence for the 3 asians, as the fascist made first contact. Also, self defense as the BNP racism. But I doubt the fascist is found guilty it will effect the tiny minority view, Im sure there will some excuse to carry on appeasing these fascists.

3 thuggish lads storming up to the man in the st in a threatening manner he steped back twice and then held his hand across his front to protect himself, one of the lads was within a few inches of him(step back request the person cease and desitst from behaving in a threatening manner, step back again hold up hand in a defensive manner).The 3 lads were there to commit a violent act, who put them up to it, to whom did the camera belong, why was the camera there???
Pushing somone away from you after you have stepped back and asked them to refrain from behaving in a threatening manner is not an assault under British law, Spitting is a serious assault (like rape, potential diseases from such attacks are the same), the 3 scummers were at fault, the candidate was going about his legal buisness (disagree with him or not).
The fact that he kicked the hooligan and then stepped away shows again that he is a law abiding citizen, it didnt look like a very hard kick, I dont think he even connected, defening himself but not going into revenge attack territory, sorry matey but you are wrong on this one as was your OP and the highly edited ling you posted, you have done more damage to your cause and become an even bigger recruiter for the BNP than before.
It is not paranoia, it is fact, your OP linked to a UAF related site and to a Video doctored up by them to tell a lie.I have said before that it is people like you that are causing the growth of the BNP because of actions like this, the BNP love the way you do this, it plays right into their hands but you people are too stupid to see it, next election this lie you linked us to will earn the BNP at least a thousand votes, possibly several thousand.

I do keep telling you all but you wont listen, ever heard of give em enough rope?
Its what the BNP are doing to you and right now you have 5 loops round the noose rope, the standard for a noose is 7!!!

[pauli007001]

The video was all I had seen. Kids are constituents too, title merely conveyed what I saw.

"Anything to excuse street thuggery against whites eh?" So you are saying these 3 teenagers confronted 6 BNP men because they were white! Now who's misleading?

So your happy for people with power to chase teenagers down the street, to kick them in the head while on the floor, for spitting?

If you dont want to die by the sword you shouldnt live by the sword, they approched in an agressive manner intent on causing trouble(possibly coached by the camera crew), they have been described as kids but their age is not obvious, I guess at between 17 and 23 years, its hard to say.
They have no right to assault a legal candidate in the Street even if they disagree with the policies of that candidate, that is why the UK has a Ballot box, if these people dislike democracy and freedom and instead desire violence perhaps they should move to a place that better meets their desires.

Hows the old saying go???
When in rome.............

[ryoden]

Let me phrase that question a different way. Would you say a black man beating up a member of the KKK because he's a racist, is the same as a member of the KKK beating a black man just because he is black?

In essence yes, just because someone is a racist it does not give you the right to attack him, their motives may be different but the end result is the same. The problem with both the racist and anti racist activists is that they both have members who act in an extreme and violently provocating manner, if everyone simply ignored them and let the police do their job when necessary you wouldnt have such a problem.

Your point seems to have been that the adults were more at fault because they wanted to stand for government and belonged to an allegedly racist organisation (I say allegedly because they havent been proven to be racist or they couldnt form an electable party as far as I am aware since it's illegal to be racist, which is why they had to change their membership policy).

I don't see why alleged racism in your target is a better reason to commit violence than anything else, I personally disagree with organised religion but I dont believe it gives me carte blanche to attack priests.

I checked the article you mentioned and it's not really comparable since the offender in the article did all the running according to the given evidence, whilst the victim just took it, open and shut case. Compared to the video where both groups had members who were happy to be provocative and kick the crap out of one another also both groups had members who were apparently peaceful (1 asian and 2 BNP), neither one could take the high ground from what I saw (again though without knowing how it started I can't state who was at fault).

[Neo2012]

In essence yes, just because someone is a racist it does not give you the right to attack him, their motives may be different but the end result is the same. The problem with both the racist and anti racist activists is that they both have members who act in an extreme and violently provocating manner, if everyone simply ignored them and let the police do their job when necessary you wouldnt have such a problem.

Your point seems to have been that the adults were more at fault because they wanted to stand for government and belonged to an allegedly racist organisation (I say allegedly because they havent been proven to be racist or they couldnt form an electable party as far as I am aware since it's illegal to be racist, which is why they had to change their membership policy).

I don't see why alleged racism in your target is a better reason to commit violence than anything else, I personally disagree with organised religion but I dont believe it gives me carte blanche to attack priests.

I checked the article you mentioned and it's not really comparable since the offender in the article did all the running according to the given evidence, whilst the victim just took it, open and shut case. Compared to the video where both groups had members who were happy to be provocative and kick the crap out of one another also both groups had members who were apparently peaceful (1 asian and 2 BNP), neither one could take the high ground from what I saw (again though without knowing how it started I can't state who was at fault).

Yeah, fair comment about kkk v black, bad anology.

Yes, that these 'adults', who want power over lives, acted like this now, is a fore warning in my opinion, of what they will be like in office. I don't think it is illegal to hold racist opinions, it is illegal to act upon the opinion, by discriminating against people in some shape manner of form. The aim of a political party seeking office, is obviously to act upon their beliefs. The constitution makes very clear they believe British people are white. And they have quite clearly stated they intend to give British people more rights than other citizens. They wan't to change things so they can;

"

Rule #5:

The BNP does not tell lies about what it stands for, what it has stood for in the past, and what its

intentions are. We do not have a secret doctrine of what we ‘really think’ which we conceal from the public.
We make no secret of the fact that we are an ethno-nationalist party or that our ultimate goal is the orderly,
lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK. Activists should never deny

or squirm when asked about these things, but defend them with good conscience."

[ryoden]

Yeah, fair comment about kkk v black, bad anology.

Yes, that these 'adults', who want power over lives, acted like this now, is a fore warning in my opinion, of what they will be like in office. I don't think it is illegal to hold racist opinions, it is illegal to act upon the opinion, by discriminating against people in some shape manner of form. The aim of a political party seeking office, is obviously to act upon their beliefs. The constitution makes very clear they believe British people are white. And they have quite clearly stated they intend to give British people more rights than other citizens. They wan't to change things so they can;

"

Rule #5:

The BNP does not tell lies about what it stands for, what it has stood for in the past, and what its

intentions are. We do not have a secret doctrine of what we ‘really think’ which we conceal from the public.
We make no secret of the fact that we are an ethno-nationalist party or that our ultimate goal is the orderly,
lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK. Activists should never deny

or squirm when asked about these things, but defend them with good conscience."

Indeed, and that's fair enough I accept that people who act in that manner are likely to act in a similar manner when in power. However that fact that their manifesto is nice and clear means thet it's rather unlikely that they will ever be in power since such beliefs are hardly in favour or widely held. My stance is that the more people oppose them in a violent way just makes their (the people who are opposing facism) position even less tenable, it's not necessary, take the case of the assault which you pointed me to, that is the sort of thing you can highlight since it's straight forward and clear cut, the police were involved, the case went to court and the BNP person was found guilty, no hersay just facts. The british public with regards to the majority are not stupid, they can be manipulated to a degree and often are but I think that they would be more convinced by someone simply stating the facts about the BNP rather than attacking them and smearing them, they do enough damage to themselves without anyone elses assistance to be fair.

[DTE]

BNP rasists, I guess we now see there real culurs!

[Neo2012]

Indeed, and that's fair enough I accept that people who act in that manner are likely to act in a similar manner when in power. However that fact that their manifesto is nice and clear means thet it's rather unlikely that they will ever be in power since such beliefs are hardly in favour or widely held. My stance is that the more people oppose them in a violent way just makes their (the people who are opposing facism) position even less tenable, it's not necessary, take the case of the assault which you pointed me to, that is the sort of thing you can highlight since it's straight forward and clear cut, the police were involved, the case went to court and the BNP person was found guilty, no hersay just facts. The british public with regards to the majority are not stupid, they can be manipulated to a degree and often are but I think that they would be more convinced by someone simply stating the facts about the BNP rather than attacking them and smearing them, they do enough damage to themselves without anyone elses assistance to be fair.

I see what you're saying, on herte at least, there seems to be double standards. To 'bnp' apologists are constantly lying and smearing, and nobody seems to challenge it. In fact they defend it, and attacked there was who steadfastly oppose fascism.

In the OP, I only stated fact. I made no judgment (people may have inferred judgment, but I didn't make it). In other threads people talk about claw hammer for which there is no basis in fact.

[Neo2012]

BBC News - BNP London organiser Bob Bailey arrested over assault
Arrests are made.

[Pleasant]

That would depend on your view of discrimination? If one want's to put their indigenous country folk in front of others I would not call that discrimination I'd say it's a question of priorities. But then it's the authorities (the government) that have allowed to the immigration to get out of control and create this situation in the first place.

So blame the politicians, not the people that are already established here and would like to see their family housed before migrants.