BNP want Jewish comrades to fight Muslims

[Nicholas]

Sections of the BNP and the EDL are championing Israel as part of a perceived struggle against Muslims. Members of far-right organisations are urging colleagues to support an unlikely ally - Israel. Small groups of BNP and English Defence League supporters are championing the Jewish state as part of a perceived struggle with the Muslim world. They call for Israel and the BNP to be "comrades in arms".

One person commenting on a pro-BNP blog suggested that the party should open an office in Israel to "show solidarity with the Israeli people". But Jon Benjamin, Board of Deputies chief executive, warned: "No one in their right mind should have any truck with the BNP or their ilk." A blogger on The Green Arrow, an independent website which supports the BNP, encouraged others to look to Israel to avoid the West's "meek surrender to Islam"...

BNP want Jewish 'comrades' to fight Muslims | The Jewish Chronicle

[crazylilting]

What would Israel have to gain by allying with the BMP? No one here takes them seriously so why would anyone outside of the country take the BMP seriously? Do the BMP even hold any serious political posts?

[sheffield39]

One guy added on the site: "We need Israel. We must join with them to fight this terrible wave of Islam trying to take over the world. The Jews know all about ethnic cleansing, and they will never allow themselves to be in that position again." A big majority of British people foolishly ignore this sort of talk, or due to most crimes committed against the indigenous people, are never shown in or on the media; in order for the traitors and yes men in government, to maintain a peaceful co-existence among residents! This in its self is a crime against the indigenous inhabitants and apparently started just after W.W.2, as our civil rights began to be systematically erroded, by traitors in governments, who had their sights set on their own personel gain, at any cost. Its been staring this nation in the face for decades and due the the amount of government brainwashing we've missed the signs, at the cost of our freedom! Why is it you may ask have these political thieves, remained in power over us? Are we all that stupid, we've forgiven them? Well NO its not the peoples fault at all, we have elected these political conmen, because in our braimwashed state, we have listened to their continued lies; but now most of the British people are waking up! Crime on the streets is not fully looked into and is running out of control, as foreign criminals get away with crimes against the indigenous people, who can't openly complain without them running the risks of being branded racist. When a crime is committed by a gang of foreignors, the media report simply states, the police are looking for a gang of youths! We have to wake up and we have to wake up NOW, we Brits are not allowed to own a firearm, without us being a gun-club member, with a possible 5year jail sentence if we are caught in possesion of a firearm if they search your home and find any, then you're for the chop! My guess is that the many mosques around Britain hold quite an arsenal in their cellars; its a laugh that the British coppers are not allowed to search them at a minutes notice! We need allies, and theres none better than the Jews!

[crazylilting]

And what does ""We need Israel. We must join with them to fight this terrible wave of Islam trying to take over the world" mean? Does this mean the BMP will become Jewish and move to Israel and fight Islam? Or does it mean that they are going to start trouble here in the UK? Nothing like fighting ethnic cleansing with more ethnic cleansing...

If you feel the news doesn't portray the facts of what is going on in the country i'm sure your welcome to start up your own news agency and tell the truth. Who's going to stop you? I for one am grateful that it is more difficult to own guns with views like this running rampant.

[sheffield39]

The ban on Nick Griffin entering Buckingham Palace despite our mandidate of 1 million voters and following an official invitation just goes to show that, slowly but surely, the pretence of Britain being a 'democracy' is nothing but a hollow sham. It doesn't matter which media approved 'mainstream' party you vote for they all stand for the same policies of multiculturalism and liberalism.
Regardless of who wins an election, most of our laws and the major political decisions facing our country are made by foreigners in the EU. We live in a Britain where elected MEPs are attacked outside Parliament, where people with politically incorrect views are banned from certain professions and where a tightly controlled state and private mass media condemns, vilifies and demonises certain viewpoints.
It is time we reflected on the terrible future that awaits our country, our children and grand-children. If the politicians and the media have their way, our country will be totally overrun by the masses of the Third-World, we will be ruled from Brussels, we will be a despised, second-class minority in our own homeland.
Is that the future you want for your children? Will you regret it when it is too late and you wished you would have joined the British Resistance when you had the chance?
The British National Party is Britain's fastest growing political party, with dozens of councillors, a seat on the Greater London Assembly and two seats in the European Parliament. The clock is ticking, our country is dying, and our beautiful innocent children are depending on us to save their future. If you're not a member of the BNP you should really consider what direction you're taking your family in!

[Midas]

The ban on Nick Griffin entering Buckingham Palace despite our mandidate of 1 million voters......

I'm not sure where you've got that figure from, the actual number of votes at the general election was 564,331.

[crazylilting]

I'm not sure where you've got that figure from, the actual number of votes at the general election was 564,331.

The party increased its share of the overall vote by 1.83% to 514,819, but despite fielding more than 300 candidates, has failed to return an MP. according to BBC.

Out of a possible approximately 44,313,750 possible voters, only 29,691,380 actually voted and of that only 514,819 voted BMP. I wouldn't call that a victory by any stretch. But one can delude themselves into thinking it is a success.

[Major Sinic]

The party increased its share of the overall vote by 1.83% to 514,819, but despite fielding more than 300 candidates, has failed to return an MP. according to BBC.

Out of a possible approximately 44,313,750 possible voters, only 29,691,380 actually voted and of that only 514,819 voted BMP. I wouldn't call that a victory by any stretch. But one can delude themselves into thinking it is a success.

It is still a measureable minority, which if we had a true electoral democracy would have resulted in a number of BNP seats (around 12, I estimate). Something of a moral dilemma for those such as myself, who believe in true democracy, but abhor fascism whether on the right or the left of the political spectrum.

[sheffield39]

There has been quite a considerible amount of infighting within the BNP, involving traitors sabotaguing, throwing some of our members into dissary, as vital equiptment was distroyed along with a huge amount of leaflets that never seen the light of day; However one day the BNP will succeed in saving Britain for the REAL British people!

[Major Sinic]

There has been quite a considerible amount of infighting within the BNP, involving traitors sabotaguing, throwing some of our members into dissary, as vital equiptment was distroyed along with a huge amount of leaflets that never seen the light of day; However one day the BNP will succeed in saving Britain for the REAL British people!

Isn't this post in the wrong thread? Jokes and Humour are in the Coffee Room!

Perhaps it is more scary than funny. In the late 1920s and early30s a large proportion of people thought Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were a bad joke, and then look what happened!

[sheffield39]

Isn't this post in the wrong thread? Jokes and Humour are in the Coffee Room!

Perhaps it is more scary than funny. In the late 1920s and early30s a large proportion of people thought Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were a bad joke, and then look what happened!

This is the thing Major, the BNP believe in democracy, its ones right to express ones opinion. I'll do just that for as long as I can, unlike you I don't see any joke in what the political traitors have brought down upon the British people! For the past 50+ years British people have been systematically brainwashed by the establishment, our civil rights have been erroded beyond belief by government stealth and cunning. I should'nt really have to explain any of this to anyone who loves and cares for this country and its people, because they should know and feel like l do as watching and listening to whats happening around us today, how the establisment squander our hard earned taxes as if it was part of their own personel piggy bank, then close ranks around each other when one of them is discovered as a crook, and a thieving liar! Lib/Lab/Con, are nothing short of a bunch of glorified good old boys with no respect for themselves and certainly none for the hard working British people, they've stolen our rights and fully intend to steal our country, the country made one of the greatest lands of all time, by deeds of our forefathers selfless sacrafices, to protect our life-style forever making us leaders in democracy! All it now seems is futile, owing to the bombardment of the brainwashing establihment onto the British people, we are all to be handed over to the undemocratic EU; Our only way of keeping our country for our future generations is in the hands of the British National Party! Maybe you'd explain to me where you find the joke in the demise of great Britain?

[Nicholas]

Isn't this post in the wrong thread? Jokes and Humour are in the Coffee Room!

Perhaps it is more scary than funny. In the late 1920s and early30s a large proportion of people thought Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were a bad joke, and then look what happened!

Oh the old nazi comparison is becoming tiresome. The reality is that the three main parties are internationalist parties and care little to the plight of your average British person. Until the british people wake up and install a nationalist party - not necesarily the BNP- we will continually be looked down upon and sneered at by our current political masters.

Our leftie governments over the past decades have turned words like nationalism, patriotism and britishness into dirty words to silence debate. I was always brought up on the notion that a governments first duty is to its own people. A notion which has been forgotten by our ruling classes.

[Barry]

What would Israel have to gain by allying with the BMP? No one here takes them seriously so why would anyone outside of the country take the BMP seriously? Do the BMP even hold any serious political posts?

Just a quickie, why do you constantly refer to the BNP as the BMP? Is it some sort of in joke, or a typo, (3 times in a row), or were you waiting for someone like me to ask.

[crazylilting]

Just a quickie, why do you constantly refer to the BNP as the BMP? Is it some sort of in joke, or a typo, (3 times in a row), or were you waiting for someone like me to ask.

Actually it was an innocent mistake. Wasn't a typo i thought it was bmp but now it has been brought to my attention I do see the error.

[Barry]

I thought you were going to say it's the British Morons Party or something!

[Major Sinic]

This is the thing Major, the BNP believe in democracy, its ones right to express ones opinion. I'll do just that for as long as I can, unlike you I don't see any joke in what the political traitors have brought down upon the British people! For the past 50+ years British people have been systematically brainwashed by the establishment, our civil rights have been erroded beyond belief by government stealth and cunning. I should'nt really have to explain any of this to anyone who loves and cares for this country and its people, because they should know and feel like l do as watching and listening to whats happening around us today, how the establisment squander our hard earned taxes as if it was part of their own personel piggy bank, then close ranks around each other when one of them is discovered as a crook, and a thieving liar! Lib/Lab/Con, are nothing short of a bunch of glorified good old boys with no respect for themselves and certainly none for the hard working British people, they've stolen our rights and fully intend to steal our country, the country made one of the greatest lands of all time, by deeds of our forefathers selfless sacrafices, to protect our life-style forever making us leaders in democracy! All it now seems is futile, owing to the bombardment of the brainwashing establihment onto the British people, we are all to be handed over to the undemocratic EU; Our only way of keeping our country for our future generations is in the hands of the British National Party! Maybe you'd explain to me where you find the joke in the demise of great Britain?

No it is the hectoring, badgering soap box style of your delivery, not the content of it, which I find amusing. Whilst the BNP have a number of policies which make sense, surprisingly numerous for a party at the extreme of politics, the rampant racism, dubious integrity and the rank amateurism of it leadership, leads me to believe that it will never be more than a pressure group without considerable fundamental changes.

[DaveUK]

If this is true, the only thing that suprises me is that the BNP didn't attempt to ally themselves with Israel sooner. They share many ideologies and political views in common, rampant nationalism, a love of religiously motivated fascism, a desire to ethnically clense home and nieghboring teritories (Israel are actually doing it though). The BNP allied to Israel, sounds like a match made in heaven......or hell.

[crazylilting]

No it is the hectoring, badgering soap box style of your delivery, not the content of it, which I find amusing. Whilst the BNP have a number of policies which make sense, surprisingly numerous for a party at the extreme of politics, the rampant racism, dubious integrity and the rank amateurism of it leadership, leads me to believe that it will never be more than a pressure group without considerable fundamental changes.

I agree with this. The BNP is like Christianity. Some of what Christianity stands for is reasonable and a good idea, but unfortunately it is coupled with other beliefs that are simply unpalatable. However give the BNP a couple thousand years and they may be just as popular as Christianity.

[sheffield39]

No it is the hectoring, badgering soap box style of your delivery, not the content of it, which I find amusing. Whilst the BNP have a number of policies which make sense, surprisingly numerous for a party at the extreme of politics, the rampant racism, dubious integrity and the rank amateurism of it leadership, leads me to believe that it will never be more than a pressure group without considerable fundamental changes.

Your reply tells me you're a brainwashed Major, Major. You dont sound like any Majors I've served under to write in the way you do, to find my heartfelt fears for my country and countrymem; maybe the information will make you think like an Englishman..

• In 1960 and again in 1971 the Government's legal advisors warned that to sign the Treaty of Rome would mean the loss of the British people's sovereignty – our independence and freedom from external control. To remove sovereignty is unconstitutional. Nevertheless, on the advice of her Ministers the Treaty of Rome was agreed.
  In 1972 Parliament passed the European Communities Act, which took us into the European Economic Community (the EEC), which has since transformed itself into the European Union (EU). The Act was passed after the British people were told falsely by their leaders that they were entering only a trading agreement, a Common Market, and that no ‘loss of essential sovereignty’ could arise.
• The British electorate was asked in 1975 if it wished Britain to continue as a member of the Common Market. Again the British people were falsely told that remaining in the European Union would entail no loss of freedom. The British people have never agreed to being governed and controlled by the European Union – a different proposition altogether.
• In 2003 the then Lord Mayor of London, himself a Recorder addressing members of the legal profession on the subject of "The City and the Law", said that if British Law were in conflict with EU law, the latter would prevail. His conclusion was that Parliament was no longer Sovereign. There was no dissent from his audience. This implies that this audience of lawyers accepted that sovereignty had indeed been surrendered. This is not consistent with our Constitution, nor with recent Court judgements, which uphold our Sovereignty as indivisible and confirm its place as beyond the official powers of Parliament to diminish or to divide.
  To restore the British people's loss of freedom, it is within the authority of Parliament to withdraw from the EU. It has every obligation to do so because Britain's loss of sovereignty to the EU is an outrageous breach of our Constitution including the Sovereign’s Oath to her people.

[sheffield39]

I agree with this. The BNP is like Christianity. Some of what Christianity stands for is reasonable and a good idea, but unfortunately it is coupled with other beliefs that are simply unpalatable. However give the BNP a couple thousand years and they may be just as popular as Christianity.

I'm afraid we all won't be around in a couple of thousand years, but probably some of your off-springs will, and boy I'd like to hear what they have to say about your stupid quote! Theres only the BNP on the front line to protect your country, as the ruling traitors hand you and yours over to a foreign power with no civil rights to protect you in any way; maybe democracy springs to mind? the Sovereign and under the rule of Common Law. We realise that because of their distrust of politicians and their lack of interest in the subject, due mainly to misinformation and confusing facts, many British people are unaware that the future of their Liberty and their Country is in their own hands. We believe that the British people must have a full and proper understanding of the Constitutional issues involved in Britain's membership of the European Union. Isn't this simple common sense? Our people must be trusted to make up their own minds on such a fundamental decision as Britain’s permanent incorporation into the EU superstate.

[Midas]

Your reply tells me you're a brainwashed Major, Major. You dont sound like any Majors I've served under to write in the way you do, to find my heartfelt fears for my country and countrymem; maybe the information will make you think like an Englishman..

• In 1960 and again in 1971 the Government's legal advisors warned that to sign the Treaty of Rome would mean the loss of the British people's sovereignty – our independence and freedom from external control. To remove sovereignty is unconstitutional. Nevertheless, on the advice of her Ministers the Treaty of Rome was agreed.
  In 1972 Parliament passed the European Communities Act, which took us into the European Economic Community (the EEC), which has since transformed itself into the European Union (EU). The Act was passed after the British people were told falsely by their leaders that they were entering only a trading agreement, a Common Market, and that no ‘loss of essential sovereignty’ could arise.
• The British electorate was asked in 1975 if it wished Britain to continue as a member of the Common Market. Again the British people were falsely told that remaining in the European Union would entail no loss of freedom. The British people have never agreed to being governed and controlled by the European Union – a different proposition altogether.
• In 2003 the then Lord Mayor of London, himself a Recorder addressing members of the legal profession on the subject of "The City and the Law", said that if British Law were in conflict with EU law, the latter would prevail. His conclusion was that Parliament was no longer Sovereign. There was no dissent from his audience. This implies that this audience of lawyers accepted that sovereignty had indeed been surrendered. This is not consistent with our Constitution, nor with recent Court judgements, which uphold our Sovereignty as indivisible and confirm its place as beyond the official powers of Parliament to diminish or to divide.
  To restore the British people's loss of freedom, it is within the authority of Parliament to withdraw from the EU. It has every obligation to do so because Britain's loss of sovereignty to the EU is an outrageous breach of our Constitution including the Sovereign’s Oath to her people.

Whilst all that might well be true, I'm wondering what it's got to do with Major Sinic pointing out that a number of the BNP's policies made sense - as I do - however the rest of their policies, their image, leadership and background are all against them.

[Nicholas]

Whilst all that might well be true, I'm wondering what it's got to do with Major Sinic pointing out that a number of the BNP's policies made sense - as I do - however the rest of their policies, their image, leadership and background are all against them.

Isnt that the case with all political parties though? I have never met any political party supporter who agrees with all their parties policies. I have been to a number of BNP meetings and have never seen any evidence of out and out racism or worse still any sort of secret nazi agenda. I think for years the BNP has suffered from a image problem because quite frankly some of their candidates in elections have been pretty poor but its slowly changing. The BNP membership list contains doctors, vicars , QCs , a magistrate , a ballerina and countless other professionals. the old image of knuckle dragging morons with swastikas tattoed on their bodies is well and truly gone. It also contains sikhs , hindus and a few other persons of non european ectraction.

If they could finally shake their ' racist ' tag then they could be a very serious force in british politics, as most of their policies are quite populist.

[Nicholas]

No it is the hectoring, badgering soap box style of your delivery,.

Nothing wrong with a bit of passionate delivery. If people showed as much passion for politics as the above gentleman we wouldnt have the ridiculously low turnouts on polling day.

[Midas]

Isnt that the case with all political parties though? I have never met any political party supporter who agrees with all their parties policies. I have been to a number of BNP meetings and have never seen any evidence of out and out racism or worse still any sort of secret nazi agenda. I think for years the BNP has suffered from a image problem because quite frankly some of their candidates in elections have been pretty poor but its slowly changing. The BNP membership list contains doctors, vicars , QCs , a magistrate , a ballerina and countless other professionals. the old image of knuckle dragging morons with swastikas tattoed on their bodies is well and truly gone. It also contains sikhs , hindus and a few other persons of non european ectraction.

If they could finally shake their ' racist ' tag then they could be a very serious force in british politics, as most of their policies are quite populist.

I don't deny any of that, politically we're all bipartisan to a degree, although many people don't like to think they are. As I've already said, I'd also agree that the BNP have some policies that have appeal, however I don't agree that their old National Front image has gone; there are still far too many associations of past days remaining in the party. OK, maybe some of them are purely perceptional, but when it comes to dealing with the public and trying to gain members, perception can be as important as fact.

But I still don't see why Sheffield39 brought this up in reply to Major Sinic's comment.

[sheffield39]

The British National Party 2010 General Election manifesto in Stoke-on-Trent on St. George's Day 23rd April 2010.

"The British National Party enters the 2010 general election with one of the most comprehensive and detailed manifestos in its history."
"The BNP is proud to campaign on a number of issues which set it apart from all other political parties, namely the conflict in Afghanistan, the immigration invasion of our country, the threat to our security posed by Islamism and the danger of the European Union to our sovereignty."
"The BNP is also the only party to map out realistic and sensible budget cuts which will bring the deficit under control — without cutting front line public services to the British people."
"In addition, the reader will find unique and innovative policies within this document which range from a solution for the housing crisis to restoring British industry, and from building our nation’s IT infrastructure to constitutional reform to guarantee our peoples’ liberties and freedom."
"The word 'democracy' appears in the title of our manifesto for good reason. It represents our desire to preserve this great institution. It is also a warning that democracy is under threat from the European Union and mass immigration, both of which threaten to extinguish all of our traditions and culture.The word “freedom” appears in the title to alert readers to the fact that civil liberties and personal freedoms in modern Britain are under attack."
"In the name of “fighting terrorism,” the old-gang parties have introduced draconian laws which have usurped many of our traditional freedoms — while the old-gang parties themselves are to blame for the threat of terrorism hanging over our country."
"The word 'security' appears in the title because the BNP believes in the sanctity of life, limb and property. This means safe neighbourhoods with vibrant, cohesive communities; it means security of long-term employment, devoid of the fear that industry, commerce and employment will be transferred to the Third World."
"The word 'identity' appears in the title because the BNP believes in genuine ethnic and cultural diversity and the right of all peoples to be free of colonisation and rule by others — including the indigenous people of these islands."
"The BNP is committed to putting the interests of the British people first. I invite you to review our policies and make your choice."

[sheffield39]

I don't deny any of that, politically we're all bipartisan to a degree, although many people don't like to think they are. As I've already said, I'd also agree that the BNP have some policies that have appeal, however I don't agree that their old National Front image has gone; there are still far too many associations of past days remaining in the party. OK, maybe some of them are purely perceptional, but when it comes to dealing with the public and trying to gain members, perception can be as important as fact.

But I still don't see why Sheffield39 brought this up in reply to Major Sinic's comment.

I see the Major looking to put down the BNP as an upstart group of aggitators, with little or no real inteligence to lead the British people back in control of their country, he would sooner see BNP efforts as a laughingstock in the joke section, or a somewhat little pressure group! The BNP survives solely on membership hand-outs and fees which cover the parties expenditure, theres not a penny of the British tax-payers monies at their disposal, unlike that of the Lib/Lab/Con party, who use British tax-payers money to fund the elimination of the BNP. Like Camoron to name but one of the Lib/Lab/Con partys supporters, of out-n-out violence the claw-hammer UAF and searchlight smears and lies, or the like of Trevor Phillips and PC bullies; all using British tax-payers cash to silence the British peoples party! But I'll always give my support to the BNP because I love this country above all else and proud to be an Englishman! I will never except or be classed as a citizen of Europe! I will never display their ridiculous flag ever! I was born and Englishman and I'll die as one! I will never ever understand any English, Scott, or Welshman who would surrender his/her nationality so timidly to a foreign power! The Major can stick this lot in his joke section if he thinks its so hillarious.

[Midas]

I see the Major looking to put down the BNP as an upstart group of aggitators, with little or no real inteligence to lead the British people back in control of their country, he would sooner see BNP efforts as a laughingstock in the joke section, or a somewhat little pressure group! The BNP survives solely on membership hand-outs and fees which cover the parties expenditure, theres not a penny of the British tax-payers monies at their disposal, unlike that of the Lib/Lab/Con party, who use British tax-payers money to fund the elimination of the BNP. Like Camoron to name but one of the Lib/Lab/Con partys supporters, of out-n-out violence the claw-hammer UAF and searchlight smears and lies, or the like of Trevor Phillips and PC bullies; all using British tax-payers cash to silence the British peoples party! But I'll always give my support to the BNP because I love this country above all else and proud to be an Englishman! I will never except or be classed as a citizen of Europe! I will never display their ridiculous flag ever! I was born and Englishman and I'll die as one! I will never ever understand any English, Scott, or Welshman who would surrender his/her nationality so timidly to a foreign power! The Major can stick this lot in his joke section if he thinks its so hillarious.

You have to admit that although some of their policies ring bells with many people in this country, their image is very tarnished by the past criminal activities and racist associations of many party members, including Nick Griffin. Until that image is completely removed and there's a wholesale change in the party and its membership to reflect that, people either won't take them seriously enough, or will still associate them with the activities of thuggish skinheads, to support them in the numbers required to achieve anything.

[sheffield39]

You have to admit that although some of their policies ring bells with many people in this country, their image is very tarnished by the past criminal activities and racist associations of many party members, including Nick Griffin. Until that image is completely removed and there's a wholesale change in the party and its membership to reflect that, people either won't take them seriously enough, or will still associate them with the activities of thuggish skinheads, to support them in the numbers required to achieve anything.

Go on then, I'll go along with some of that and I'll add, that all political figures drop clangers on their rise to the top! On that note I'd have to say that saying stupid or daft quotes, is hardly the same as using the public purse as you wish like duck-ponds, castle-moats to mention just a few, in my estimation thats hardly looking after our countrys economy honestly! The BNP have never had a go at governing, but I would say they could make a 100% better job because their not as corrupt as the three main parties; they, (the Lib/Lab/Con) are only the tip of the ice-berg that have been exposed for their criminal deeds. All 3 of the main parties have spent a great deal of our money to blacken and discredit the BNP, brainwashing the general public, using smear-n-lies and a total black-out of time in the media spot-light, just to stop them telling the truth of things to the British people. I think if they, (the BNP) had have had the same free-media time of the public, there would be a greater understanding of the present situation!

[crazylilting]

The internet is a big place. If the truth was needed there would be no stopping it. The BNP will never run the country, It doesn't matter how many good policies they say they have. At their heart they are racist thugs, there doesn't seem to be a black out on those activities that's for sure.

They would better spend their time doing good things for the country and publicize that instead of inciting violence and raising awareness of how racist they can be.

[sheffield39]

The internet is a big place. If the truth was needed there would be no stopping it. The BNP will never run the country, It doesn't matter how many good policies they say they have. At their heart they are racist thugs, there doesn't seem to be a black out on those activities that's for sure.

They would better spend their time doing good things for the country and publicize that instead of inciting violence and raising awareness of how racist they can be.

The same old chat-line keeps coming around with you anti-BNP brigade, the same junk that the PC clowns are brainwashing this nation with! You won't get a political party more truthful than the BNP, the VERY reason they keep getting into hot water with the establishment of thieves-n-liars; EVEN when the truth came out about the Lib/Lab/Conmens indulging themselves with the public purse! And I would stake my next pension on, YOU being one of them Zombies that rushed to the polling station to get your vote on these thieving no-marks! When the BNP do get into number 10 (they will when this nation awakes) they'll make sure that the British people will get an honest devoted government, even make Nick Griffin saint; our new Oliver Cromwell! Because as long as these dippy traitors are running our country, we'll all be one step away from slavery in the EU!

[DaveUK]

The same old chat-line keeps coming around with you anti-BNP brigade, the same junk that the PC clowns are brainwashing this nation with! You won't get a political party more truthful than the BNP, the VERY reason they keep getting into hot water with the establishment of thieves-n-liars; EVEN when the truth came out about the Lib/Lab/Conmens indulging themselves with the public purse! And I would stake my next pension on, YOU being one of them Zombies that rushed to the polling station to get your vote on these thieving no-marks! When the BNP do get into number 10 (they will when this nation awakes) they'll make sure that the British people will get an honest devoted government, even make Nick Griffin saint; our new Oliver Cromwell! Because as long as these dippy traitors are running our country, we'll all be one step away from slavery in the EU!

I have a question for you, that so far no BNP supporter or reprisentative has been willing or able to answer. Why is membership of the BNP denied on the basis of skin colour? A British born black or brown person is excluded membership from the BNP, why? What is it about the so called concerns and fears of patriotic British citizens (I'm paraphrasing BNP rhetoric here), that doesn't aply if you are black or brown? Is it the case that concerns about imigration, inner city crime, national identity etc, which are some of the social problems the BNP have hijacked to further their cause, only aply if you are white? Or is it the case that these concerns can only be adressed by white people? Or is it the case that the BNP is a quasi fascist fringe reactionary movement that reprisents racialist ignorant thugs?

[Nicholas]

I have a question for you, that so far no BNP supporter or reprisentative has been willing or able to answer. Why is membership of the BNP denied on the basis of skin colour? A British born black or brown person is excluded membership from the BNP, why? What is it about the so called concerns and fears of patriotic British citizens (I'm paraphrasing BNP rhetoric here), that doesn't aply if you are black or brown? Is it the case that concerns about imigration, inner city crime, national identity etc, which are some of the social problems the BNP have hijacked to further their cause, only aply if you are white? Or is it the case that these concerns can only be adressed by white people? Or is it the case that the BNP is a quasi fascist fringe reactionary movement that reprisents racialist ignorant thugs?

BNP membership is no longer based on your ethnic make up. Didnt you see the sikh BNP member on the latest political broadcast for the past general election? Or were you too busy sharpening your hammer and sickle?

[DaveUK]

BNP membership is no longer based on your ethnic make up. Didnt you see the sikh BNP member on the latest political broadcast for the past general election? Or were you too busy sharpening your hammer and sickle?

This must have been a very recent change in policy then, because only weeks before the last election BNP members were being asked this question and dodged it. You wouldn't catch me dead watching a BNP broardcast, I'm only interested in serious politics and serious people that have something meaningful to say. I have little if any interest in reactionary racialist fringe movements other than to see their distruction.

Notwithstanding the obviously misguided Sikh member, the question can still fairly be put retrospectively. A cynical change in policy doesn't get them off the hook, answer the question.

[sheffield39]

This must have been a very recent change in policy then, because only weeks before the last election BNP members were being asked this question and dodged it. You wouldn't catch me dead watching a BNP broardcast, I'm only interested in serious politics and serious people that have something meaningful to say. I have little if any interest in reactionary racialist fringe movements other than to see their distruction.

Notwithstanding the obviously misguided Sikh member, the question can still fairly be put retrospectively. A cynical change in policy doesn't get them off the hook, answer the question.

Only as recent as early last year as regards to when the colour restrictions were lifted, most members were in favour of this move, as many BNP members expressed their concerns as to why black members were'nt coming forwards, when most BNP members, made it quite clear blacks were welcome to join our groups many years ago; you are aware we do have black friends and black relations, as do most British families today! The trouble with a lot of people is, they are listening to too much third-hand rubbish about the goings on of the BNP, along with the fact that you would'nt be caught watching anything to do with the BNP; I don't like or agree with the Lib/Lab/Conmen although I watch and listen to their broadcasts! You may find out a deal more about your countrymen and whats going on under your very nose; instead of listening to the neighbourhood chit-chat!

[DaveUK]

Only as recent as early last year as regards to when the colour restrictions were lifted, most members were in favour of this move, as many BNP members expressed their concerns as to why black members were'nt coming forwards, when most BNP members, made it quite clear blacks were welcome to join our groups many years ago; you are aware we do have black friends and black relations, as do most British families today! The trouble with a lot of people is, they are listening to too much third-hand rubbish about the goings on of the BNP, along with the fact that you would'nt be caught watching anything to do with the BNP; I don't like or agree with the Lib/Lab/Conmen although I watch and listen to their broadcasts! You may find out a deal more about your countrymen and whats going on under your very nose; instead of listening to the neighbourhood chit-chat!

Doesn't answer the question though does it? Why was the restriction in place to begin with? We know it was wrong, you don't have to explain that, or why the BNP chose to change the policy, they are political opportunists of the worst kind after all.
My question still stands unanswered.
BTW, I don't engage in "neighbourhood chit-chat" as you put it. If I did, I dare say all I would hear about in a small seaside Devon town is deli products (one of my nieghbors owns a deli) or bingo. I have no interest in such trivia.
I've lived in various places in England, from the Midlands to London, Cornwall and Devon. I see and experience all of the social problems that our country faces, from listening to BNP rants in previous elections they have nothing to offer other than reactionary rhetoric and demigoguary of the worst kind. We're already in the pocket of America far too much as it is. A nationalist government like the BNP would see this country disapear so far up the backside of America we would never be seen again.

[sheffield39]

Doesn't answer the question though does it? Why was the restriction in place to begin with? We know it was wrong, you don't have to explain that, or why the BNP chose to change the policy, they are political opportunists of the worst kind after all.
My question still stands unanswered.
BTW, I don't engage in "neighbourhood chit-chat" as you put it. If I did, I dare say all I would hear about in a small seaside Devon town is deli products (one of my nieghbors owns a deli) or bingo. I have no interest in such trivia.
I've lived in various places in England, from the Midlands to London, Cornwall and Devon. I see and experience all of the social problems that our country faces, from listening to BNP rants in previous elections they have nothing to offer other than reactionary rhetoric and demigoguary of the worst kind. We're already in the pocket of America far too much as it is. A nationalist government like the BNP would see this country disapear so far up the backside of America we would never be seen again.

I don't think you're really looking for a answer Dave? You just want to sound off at the BNP for awhile, well thats nowt new there are many people trying to just get through life and beef off at something or other. I can tell you there are not that many black folk attending BNP meetings, although they can without restriction, sometimes even us whites can't attend, having to change the venue due to some UAF threat to desrupt our meeting, because what you don't seem to understand is, the BNP are NOT the racist thugs you're describing, far from it, most of those claw-hammer merchants, yelling abuse around our planned meeting place; are in the pay of the Lib/Lab/Conmen! Most of my BNP mates, are pensioners, who incidentaly are nearly all ex-forces men/women, walking frames and all, what we discuss is more or less what YOU discuss while socialising. You'll have to tell me about these BNP rants you've heard, I'd be very interested to hear some of them, they could probably just be the usual smearing of searchlight, or maybe a few over-the-top lies from our resident Lib/Lab/Conmen; who knows?

[DaveUK]

So none of you BNP supporters are prepaired to answer the question then?

[sheffield39]

So none of you BNP supporters are prepaired to answer the question then?

“What would the soldiers who fought in the Second World War for Britain think if they could see the desperate state of the country they fought and many died for?”Immigration has transformed our country, pushing native British out of our towns and cities, making us second class citizens, and turning large swathes of our country into mini versions of Karachi, Islamabad, Kabul, Nigeria, Baghdad and Istanbul.
"They maybe turning in their graves, as their beloved country is set out to become the melting pot of the entire world, organized by British political traitors, in order to further their personel wealth! They have done this on their own accord, without one single thought for the indigenous people of this land; doing away with British civil rights that date back to the 'magna carta' along the way! Our own queen has known of this and could have stamped it out at the drop of a pin, but has chose to turn her back on her sovereign oath to the British people, whilst these political traitors surrender Britain, the homeland our forefathers gave their lives for and Dave UK questions the rights of the legally elected BNP, to gather the indigenous people into a group, eager to retain our homeland for OUR children!"

[Nicholas]

So none of you BNP supporters are prepaired to answer the question then?

Our heritage and culture was pretty much built by people of european descent. The BNP would simply like to protect and preserve what our forefathers brought to this great land.

[crazylilting]

Wasn't there some court case that forced the BNP to accept races other then Anglo Saxon white folk?

[Kiwi 1691]

Our heritage and culture was pretty much built by people of european descent. The BNP would simply like to protect and preserve what our forefathers brought to this great land.

God your as bad as the hardcore boers, aren't you.

[Nicholas]

God your as bad as the hardcore boers, aren't you.

I lived in South Africa for twenty years and know of Eugene Terreblanche. the man was a nutcase and pretty much a nazi. South Africa will be a better place without him. How can anyone argue for a white homeland in Africa of all places? Its black African land and the native Africans should do with it as they see fit.

[DaveUK]

“What would the soldiers who fought in the Second World War for Britain think if they could see the desperate state of the country they fought and many died for?”Immigration has transformed our country, pushing native British out of our towns and cities, making us second class citizens, and turning large swathes of our country into mini versions of Karachi, Islamabad, Kabul, Nigeria, Baghdad and Istanbul.
"They maybe turning in their graves, as their beloved country is set out to become the melting pot of the entire world, organized by British political traitors, in order to further their personel wealth! They have done this on their own accord, without one single thought for the indigenous people of this land; doing away with British civil rights that date back to the 'magna carta' along the way! Our own queen has known of this and could have stamped it out at the drop of a pin, but has chose to turn her back on her sovereign oath to the British people, whilst these political traitors surrender Britain, the homeland our forefathers gave their lives for and Dave UK questions the rights of the legally elected BNP, to gather the indigenous people into a group, eager to retain our homeland for OUR children!"

Thanks for the rant. The people that held the values, principles and bravery and gave their lives in the 1940s, (that people like you hijack for your perverse cause), were fighting against the cowardly irrational fascist ideology of the BNP, not for it.
You people simply can't bring yourselves to answer the question directly can you.
I'll put it again so that it doesn't get burried by your ranting.
Why did the BNP exclude membership to people who were not white?

[sheffield39]

the homeland our forefathers gave their lives for and Dave UK questions the rights of the legally elected BNP, to gather the indigenous people into a group, eager to retain our homeland for OUR children!"

Read more: http://www.politic.co.uk/british-nat...#ixzz0x2oqotpq

I think its maybe the fact that the BNP has stated 'The indigenous inhabitants' that seems to wedge up your nose, and like it or not, the fact is, the people they had in mind at the time were 'white' and after all England on the whole, is a whitemans country! Now why would the colour white enrage people like you Dave UK! Why is it there is this ongoing gripe because a whiteman wants to form his/her own establisment, made-up of their white countrymen? Is there not countless blackmens establishments, solely for blackmen, wherebys the whiteman cannot enlist? Where is there any anti-socialism there? I don't want to join their establishment anyway, and would have thought they would feel the same. But then NO there are people such as Dave UK who see the 'whiteman' as whatever springs to mind! Get a life Dave, because I can't see any changes soon.

[DaveUK]

the homeland our forefathers gave their lives for and Dave UK questions the rights of the legally elected BNP, to gather the indigenous people into a group, eager to retain our homeland for OUR children!"

Read more: http://www.politic.co.uk/british-nat...#ixzz0x2oqotpq

I think its maybe the fact that the BNP has stated 'The indigenous inhabitants' that seems to wedge up your nose, and like it or not, the fact is, the people they had in mind at the time were 'white' and after all England on the whole, is a whitemans country! Now why would the colour white enrage people like you Dave UK! Why is it there is this ongoing gripe because a whiteman wants to form his/her own establisment, made-up of their white countrymen? Is there not countless blackmens establishments, solely for blackmen, wherebys the whiteman cannot enlist? Where is there any anti-socialism there? I don't want to join their establishment anyway, and would have thought they would feel the same. But then NO there are people such as Dave UK who see the 'whiteman' as whatever springs to mind! Get a life Dave, because I can't see any changes soon.

Ever heard of a straw mans argument? This is one.

I don't question anyones right to gather indiginous people into a group, show me where I have said that? White people per say don't enrage me either, I'm white myself, born in Staffordshire, indiginous to England.
There's really no need for the extensive rants, it's a very simple question. Why did the BNP exclude none white poeple from membership until recently? The name "British National Party" would suggest that it is open to all British nationals. Why didn't they just call it the "White British National Party"? Then there would have been no confusion, and it would have been far more reprisentative of their racialist views.
Seeing as you brought up "indiginous", what evidence do you have that the indiginous population of Britain was white? If you walk the cat back far enough, we descend from African migrants. Before the end of the last ice age, when this country became an Island, there would have been migrants coming here from all over Europe, possibly even further.
Any chance of a straight answer to my question? Just a single sentence will do.

[octopus]

Isnt that the case with all political parties though? I have never met any political party supporter who agrees with all their parties policies. I have been to a number of BNP meetings and have never seen any evidence of out and out racism or worse still any sort of secret nazi agenda. I think for years the BNP has suffered from a image problem because quite frankly some of their candidates in elections have been pretty poor but its slowly changing. The BNP membership list contains doctors, vicars , QCs , a magistrate , a ballerina and countless other professionals. the old image of knuckle dragging morons with swastikas tattoed on their bodies is well and truly gone. It also contains sikhs , hindus and a few other persons of non european ectraction.

If they could finally shake their ' racist ' tag then they could be a very serious force in british politics, as most of their policies are quite populist.

I have to honest, for supposed far-right party, the BNP do have fairly moderate policies. If you look at other far- right parties and oraganisations they have a much more traditional and sinister right-wing approach, and openly admit that they are racist - the BNP don"t.

As for their racist tag, I can"t see how, on what they show, publicly, how they can be regarded as racists; people do fear them, through. In any nomal time, these views would be regaded as mainsteam. Nick Griffin, gave a good account of himself on that infamous edition of Question Time - I felt no bond other than with Mr Griffin.

As regards to policies, the defence policy, is a bit unnerving, but law and order and immigration - spot on; on the matter of capital punishment - PROBABLY DOESN"T GO FAR ENOUGH, or target the right people. A lot of people listen to the "lefties" and trendys from the main parties and the media, "Oh, a bunch of nazi thugs", even with a respectable membership. What is needed, is big advertising campaign, get away from the negative image of skinheads and such like, focus on the positive, patriotism, the voice of millions of people to scared to speak out against a multi-culture, law and order, corporal and capital punishment - all vote winners, the BNP, just needs to know how to market what, as a party, it can do for normal Britons. What they have to do is convince the people they are not nazis. In the present politcal climate that might be difficult.

[sheffield39]

Ever heard of a straw mans argument? This is one.

I don't question anyones right to gather indiginous people into a group, show me where I have said that? White people per say don't enrage me either, I'm white myself, born in Staffordshire, indiginous to England.
There's really no need for the extensive rants, it's a very simple question. Why did the BNP exclude none white poeple from membership until recently? The name "British National Party" would suggest that it is open to all British nationals. Why didn't they just call it the "White British National Party"? Then there would have been no confusion, and it would have been far more reprisentative of their racialist views.
Seeing as you brought up "indiginous", what evidence do you have that the indiginous population of Britain was white? If you walk the cat back far enough, we descend from African migrants. Before the end of the last ice age, when this country became an Island, there would have been migrants coming here from all over Europe, possibly even further.
Any chance of a straight answer to my question? Just a single sentence will do.

I really don't know why the founders of the BNP did'nt call it the 'Whitemans party', it would certainly have clarified things, because in all honesty, it would have been the right choice! You seem to avade any mention of the black policemens association or the Pakistan peoples assoc; like why have they excluded not to mention the 'WHITE policman'? I could go on and on, you'd still require more reasons I think, no straw-mans argument I'm afraid, I'm not trying to create any illusions in any way, its you that appears to be dilluding yourself into thinking the majority of British people, view themselves as multiculttural! Well I've got news for you, they don't! Start with white childrens drawings and you'll only see the child draw or paint white people; but then you'll twist that into a racist commment no doubt! Like it or not Britain is a whitemans country, I and almost all the people I associate with have no hang-ups on that score, its just not our fault that we think in white and mix with white people, we have no contempt for any other coloured people! As for Africans walking out of Africa and claiming this country, I have no displeasure there what-so-ever, so my ancestors were black? Strangly all of us following Brits became white and the only way that will change, is when the white race has gone through the planned melting-pot program! All I have wrote is entirely my own opinion and has nothing to do with promoting the BNP!

[DaveUK]

I really don't know why the founders of the BNP did'nt call it the 'Whitemans party', it would certainly have clarified things, because in all honesty, it would have been the right choice! You seem to avade any mention of the black policemens association or the Pakistan peoples assoc; like why have they excluded not to mention the 'WHITE policman'? I could go on and on, you'd still require more reasons I think, no straw-mans argument I'm afraid, I'm not trying to create any illusions in any way, its you that appears to be dilluding yourself into thinking the majority of British people, view themselves as multiculttural! Well I've got news for you, they don't! Start with white childrens drawings and you'll only see the child draw or paint white people; but then you'll twist that into a racist commment no doubt! Like it or not Britain is a whitemans country, I and almost all the people I associate with have no hang-ups on that score, its just not our fault that we think in white and mix with white people, we have no contempt for any other coloured people! As for Africans walking out of Africa and claiming this country, I have no displeasure there what-so-ever, so my ancestors were black? Strangly all of us following Brits became white and the only way that will change, is when the white race has gone through the planned melting-pot program! All I have wrote is entirely my own opinion and has nothing to do with promoting the BNP!

As far as I know, the defintion of a straw man argument is when someone atributes a statement or view to someone that they have not made, or do not hold, and then structuing their argument around it, which is what you seem to be doing. You seem to be making a lot of assumptons about what I believe based on a simple question, which by the way you nor anyone else has answered.
You also seem to be assuming to reprisent a majority, when in fact the party you support doesn't have anything like the support you claim. They are where they belong, a marginalized extremist minority with no power at all, and only reactionary demigoguary for policies.
Every single nationalist fascist experiment of the 20th and 21st century has failed, and been a disaster for it's client country. The BNP would be no different. On the occasions when I've heard Nick Griffin rigorously questioned (which is rare because he generally avoids such disagreable confrontations), he has nothing to say about how he would rebuild public services after dismantling them, which he would have to do were his policies implimented. He has nothing to say about how Britain would trade with other countries once we were viewed throughout the world as a nationalist fascist state. He has nothing to say about how he would defend us against the inevitable hostility towards us from many different nations. He has nothing to say on the charge that Britain would become a pupet 53rd state of the USA (something we almost became under Anthony Blair). m

its you that appears to be dilluding yourself into thinking the majority of British people, view themselves as multiculttural

More evidence of your straw man argument. I've not said that I or anyone else is multcultural. In fact I don't think it's possible to describe an individual as "multicultural" is it? Surely that's how one would describe a community or society?
I've already expressed my views about multiculturalism in another thread, you may find them interesting. I am an advocate of the views of Peter Hitchens on multiculturalism. I believe it's a failed experiment and has been largely detrimental to Britain. Multiculturalism should not in my view be confused by multiracialism. I believe that Britain has benefited enormously from being a multi racial/ethnic society. Notwithstanding we have our own very rich and diverse ancient heritage and culture, and I think it's a pity that imigrants to this country are not encouraged more to embrace it and intergrate better.

Start with white childrens drawings and you'll only see the child draw or paint white people;

This may well be a racialist comment, but above all it's a stupid one I'm affraid. Start with a white child adopted into a black family, and they'll draw and paint either both black and white, or just black people. This kind of foolish nonsense is no different to branding a child Christian or muslim.
Anthropology and the study of ancient art shows that man reproduces what he sees first, then later what he imagines as he develops as an artist, if indeed he does.

[AMGINGLES]

I suppose the BNP , whos members are drawn from mainly the working class , don't like to see their neighbourhoods transformed into recreations of streets in the indian subcontinent. Further to this they don't like to see business opportunitys and jobs being taken by the very smooth and hard working muslim and immigrant working class. The jews are generally rich and so are outside their hate range as the careers of the jews are so far above these people that they don't even see them day to day.
What is stupid is that they blame the immigrants for this , the difference between UKIP and the bnp is the bnp blame the immigrants and ukip blame the government and banks that wanted them here. Ukip is correct , the bnp are wasting their time. Tony blair and Labour betrayed the UK by letting them in. New Statesman - Blair must be arrested Arrest tony blair

[sheffield39]

As far as I know, the defintion of a straw man argument is when someone atributes a statement or view to someone that they have not made, or do not hold, and then structuing their argument around it, which is what you seem to be doing. You seem to be making a lot of assumptons about what I believe based on a simple question, which by the way you nor anyone else has answered.
You also seem to be assuming to reprisent a majority, when in fact the party you support doesn't have anything like the support you claim. They are where they belong, a marginalized extremist minority with no power at all, and only reactionary demigoguary for policies.
Every single nationalist fascist experiment of the 20th and 21st century has failed, and been a disaster for it's client country. The BNP would be no different. On the occasions when I've heard Nick Griffin rigorously questioned (which is rare because he generally avoids such disagreable confrontations), he has nothing to say about how he would rebuild public services after dismantling them, which he would have to do were his policies implimented. He has nothing to say about how Britain would trade with other countries once we were viewed throughout the world as a nationalist fascist state. He has nothing to say about how he would defend us against the inevitable hostility towards us from many different nations. He has nothing to say on the charge that Britain would become a pupet 53rd state of the USA (something we almost became under Anthony Blair). m



More evidence of your straw man argument. I've not said that I or anyone else is multcultural. In fact I don't think it's possible to describe an individual as "multicultural" is it? Surely that's how one would describe a community or society?
I've already expressed my views about multiculturalism in another thread, you may find them interesting. I am an advocate of the views of Peter Hitchens on multiculturalism. I believe it's a failed experiment and has been largely detrimental to Britain. Multiculturalism should not in my view be confused by multiracialism. I believe that Britain has benefited enormously from being a multi racial/ethnic society. Notwithstanding we have our own very rich and diverse ancient heritage and culture, and I think it's a pity that imigrants to this country are not encouraged more to embrace it and intergrate better.

This may well be a racialist comment, but above all it's a stupid one I'm affraid. Start with a white child adopted into a black family, and they'll draw and paint either both black and white, or just black people. This kind of foolish nonsense is no different to branding a child Christian or muslim.
Anthropology and the study of ancient art shows that man reproduces what he sees first, then later what he imagines as he develops as an artist, if indeed he does.

Southhall Black Sisters.
Afro-Caribbean) women".
South Asians.
Non-white British West Indies.
The Black Arts Alliance,
TheNational Black Policep Assoiation.
The British Blacks Associations.
The British Asian Association.
"Now who's not answering a simple question, like not mentioning the associations that are excluding the mention of 'WHITE'? Yet who demands, why has the BNP a legally elected, Democratic party, refrained from including the mention of 'Black' Members, when it was founded? I reckon the only strawman arguement, is of your making, clutching at straws to win an arguement you pathetic creep!