To continue the plumbing metaphor .. down the tube and round the U Bend

Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian

I am not one for sympathising with the British National Party but I find this disgraceful. I know many of you may not agree, but this really is Britain going down the tube.

Absolutely! At times I just shake my head in amazement as to what some people who should know far better, do. Gentle education on sexuality, yes of course, but this is going way too far.

Sounds ridiculous to me. I object to the use of 'liberal' as a label for the idiots whose idea this was, as 'liberal' means belief in freedoms, not ramming propaganda (that's what this seems like) down people's throats. To be fair to them, it wasn't compulsory for anyone to take part - it's not like this was a school assignment or anything like that - so parents would have been able to choose whether their children took part or not.

I strongly object to the use of 'pervert' in there too - far too homophobic. I don't understand what gay people supposedly do to harm other people. It's not 'indoctrination' either. More BNP sensationalism, which unfortunately makes a story that would otherwise make me angry just turn my annoyance to the BNP...

Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian

I recently received this from the British National Party:


Kent Police organise homosexual competition for under-14s!
Instead of catching criminals like they are supposed to, the politically-correct liberals at Kent Police force have invited children under the age of 14 to write a 200-word essay on homosexuality and "transsexuality" (gender confusion), with the winner taking a £25 prize!
Kent Police, one of the most "gay-friendly" employers in Britain, has been roundly condemned for the competition, which was created as part of "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender History Month" which takes place every February!
Not satisfied with the essay competition, Kent Police have also organised a homosexual and transsexual dinner dance, complete with a gay quiz night and a seminar dubbed "From Outcast To Out". This latest despicable attempt to pervert innocent children with politically-correct homosexual propaganda is an outrage, and a complete waste of taxpayers' money. The BNP thinks that the duty of the police is to fight crime not indoctrinate young children.


I am not one for sympathising with the British National Party but I find this disgraceful. I know many of you may not agree, but this really is Britain going down the tube.

A few things. Naming a month after a particular subset of society does imply it will happen every year, making the exclamation mark at the end of the second paragraph a bit stupid. The under14 essay contest is a bit much, although kids today are exposed to sexuality at a much younger age, at as such will probably have some understanding of homosexuality at this point. Also what your BNP newsletter fails to mention is that the essay contest is open to all ages, its just that winners will be selected from age ranges 14 and under, 15-17, and 18+. I found this info by typing 'kent police' into google, staggering levels of research I know. Funny the newsletter seems to neglect to mention this...

The use of the phrase 'pervert innocent children' does not sit right with me. As if the mere discussion of sexuality will somehow violate the children's fragile little minds. And I have no objection to a gay quiz night.

Finally there's that last bit about the police should not "indoctrinate young children". The aim of this exercise, misguided or not, is to promote tolerance, that if someone is gay it is not something to be ashamed of, that the BNP have objections to this suggests to me that homophobia is rife within their party.

On a funding level, yes, I agree it would seem the funds could be used better, but purely from an ethical stance I see no wrongdoing here.

What annoyed me is gay people are really trying to publicise themselves.

My response to gay people is now " I know your ****ing gay now stop ****ing telling me". Gay people should have the same rights as everyone else etc but it really annoys me when they publicise it.

Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian

What annoyed me is gay people are really trying to publicise themselves.

My response to gay people is now " I know your ****ing gay now stop ****ing telling me". Gay people should have the same rights as everyone else etc but it really annoys me when they publicise it.

When they publicise what? That they're gay? Or that that they should have equal rights? Heterosexuality is publicised all the time, pick up a newspaper, watch the TV, everywhere. A fair and equal society means we should expect the gay lifestyle to be publicised also.

This thread comes from the Kent Police, not the gay community. I don't know, maybe the reason Kent police are so gay-friendly is because there are many gay officers there, maybe they are just setting an example, who knows? The point is, there's a common view that states 'gays are okay, I just don't want to see it' well it seems to me that you can't have one without the other. We either treat them equally or we don't.

Originally Posted by Dr The Evidence

When they publicise what? That they're gay? Or that that they should have equal rights? Heterosexaulity is publicised all the time, pick up a newspaper, watch the TV, everywhere. A fair and equal society means we should expect the gay lifestyle to be publicised also.

Gay marches etc...

btw, it also annoys me when I see a hetrosexual couple "expressing their love" publically.

This thread comes from the Kent Police, not the gay community. I don't know, maybe the reason Kent police are so gay-friendly is because there are many gay officers there, maybe they are just setting an example, who knows? The point is, there's a common view that states 'gays are okay, I just don't want to see it' well it seems to me that you can't have one without the other. We either treat them equally or we don't

Gays are okay, alot of them are quite friendly. But I still dont want them publicising it. Gay marches and parades annoy me more than anything else.

Whats wrong with gay marches and parades? Gay pride happens every year, I know people who are not gay who go, they say its great. Not for me, but each to their own. Personally I think we could do with displaying a bit more pride in this country, gay or otherwise.

Originally Posted by DougieG

I strongly object to the use of 'pervert' in there too - far too homophobic. I don't understand what gay people supposedly do to harm other people

well maybe you might have a little think about that one, you know, the practice of extremely unhygienic & somewhat un-natural activities is one thing that imo does a bit of harm. Clearly it is the fact that these practices being mentioned to kids as though it is perfectly fine is the damn problem.

You think that the term 'pervert' is far too homophobic do you, what an astoundingly PC and oversheltered mindset you have.

Originally Posted by icekool

well maybe you might have a little think about that one, you know, the practice of extremely unhygienic & somewhat un-natural activities is one thing that imo does a bit of harm. Clearly it is the fact that these practices being mentioned to kids as though it is perfectly fine is the damn problem.

You think that the term 'pervert' is far too homophobic do you, what an astoundingly PC and oversheltered mindset you have.

What an astoundingly bigoted and uneducated mindset you have.

Originally Posted by DougieG

What an astoundingly bigoted and uneducated mindset you have.

Dougie, I agree with you on many things but how does being slighty/totally homophobic mean you are bigoted or uneducated?

Maybe something to do with the words unhygenic and unnatural that were banded about in icekool's post? I thought most people had moved on from that type of talk.

Originally Posted by Dr The Evidence

Maybe something to do with the words unhygenic and unnatural that were banded about in icekool's post? I thought most people had moved on from that type of talk.

Icekool is correct, sex; in general, is quite unhygenic and homosexual acts are unnatural in terms of procreation.

Sex, in general, is only unhygenic if you don't shower after, otherwise you must be doing it wrong.

And condoms are unnatural in terms of procreation. Actually so are cigerettes, mobile phones and Anne Widecombe as they all reduce fertility or sexual appetite. The kind of comments icekool made are ill-informed and outdated and if you agree with them then you are too.

Originally Posted by Dr The Evidence

Sex, in general, is only unhygenic if you don't shower after, otherwise you must be doing it wrong.

hahaha lol

And condoms are unnatural in terms of procreation. Actually so are cigerettes, mobile phones and Anne Widecombe as they all reduce fertility or sexual appetite. The kind of comments icekool made are ill-informed and outdated and if you agree with them then you are too.

Indeed they are unnatural. I may regret asking but Anne Widecombe?
Are you referring to Anne Widdecombe the MP??

Icekool made the comments in distaste towards homosexuals. Though his comments are correct, his reason for saying them is quite rude and offensive to those of that orientation.

I will end this in saying some of my beliefs are outdated but not ill-informed.

Actually I do not have any particular distaste towards gays at all, there are many likeable gay people around.

I was being very specific and didn't expect to have to go into so much detail but it has to be said that
1) the rectal area of the body is for excretion and NOT sex
2) coming into such close contact with excrement is NOT a clean activity
3) explaining that either of the 2 above is ok to kids is NOT right

Participating in the above is pretty damned unatural if you ask me.

Bigoted and uneducated??, not really, just a bit outspoken really.
As for being outdated, do you mean not politically correct?? because if you do, then shove it mate, I am NOT PC and never will be.

Originally Posted by icekool

Actually I do not have any particular distaste towards gays at all, there are many likeable gay people around.

I was being very specific and didn't expect to have to go into so much detail but it has to be said that
1) the rectal area of the body is for excretion and NOT sex
2) coming into such close contact with excrement is NOT a clean activity
3) explaining that either of the 2 above is ok to kids is NOT right

Participating in the above is pretty damned unatural if you ask me.

Bigoted and uneducated??, not really, just a bit outspoken really.
As for being outdated, do you mean not politically correct?? because if you do, then shove it mate, I am NOT PC and never will be.

Some political correctness is just courtesy. By rejecting it 100% you just sound rude. I agree that it can get totally out of control, but if political correctness means not being racist and homophobic, then I suppose most people are politically correct.

End of the day, I seriously doubt that something like this makes children more or less likely to be gay. It may be desirable to have less gay people (or maybe not - the more gay men the more women for the rest of us ) but people have always and will always be gay, and putting something like this on will not change that, just as stopping it would make very little difference too...

Originally Posted by icekool

I was being very specific and didn't expect to have to go into so much detail but it has to be said that
1) the rectal area of the body is for excretion and NOT sex
2) coming into such close contact with excrement is NOT a clean activity
3) explaining that either of the 2 above is ok to kids is NOT right

Thank you for mentioning that, I was hoping someone else would. I didn't fancy going into brief detail.

Hmmm isn't brief detail an oxymoron?

Participating in the above is pretty damned unatural if you ask me.

I agree that it is unnatural.

Bigoted and uneducated??, not really, just a bit outspoken really.
As for being outdated, do you mean not politically correct?? because if you do, then shove it mate, I am NOT PC and never will be

I think there is a difference that you are missing.

Society; more recently, has shown more openness to gays, when such openness never existed.
Political Correctness is not society showing change.