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there is no more to it than that lol.
Well unless you are born as a monkey or something..
This is a discussion on Are psychopaths human? within the Coffee Room forums, part of the The House of Commons category; Does just being born grant you human status or is there more to it than that?...
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Does just being born grant you human status or is there more to it than that?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. – George Orwell
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there is no more to it than that lol.
Well unless you are born as a monkey or something..
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
Saying psychopaths aren't human is basically saying anyone who isn't perfect isn't human. there isn't a scale.
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No there are degrees surely. Are you suggesting that you are the same as, say Ian Brady? Ted Bundy? Buono and Bianchi? Fred West? Do you think people like that are really human? They might be members of the same species as you and I, but are they really human in the way that you and I are (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt herehuman? Psychopaths seem to have something missing, there's no empathy, no understanding that other people are other people. I ask again, are psychopaths really human?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. – George Orwell
World goin one way, people another
I'd say pychopaths are not lacking anything per se, more that they have something else, a compulsion or whatever that makes them do what they do. Sure the archetypal serial killer is a loner sort, but some of them have personal relationships, and appear normal to the people around them. To suggest they are somehow not human as a way of distancing yourself from their actions is understandable, but there can be no dictinction made in terms of 'being human'. Now lacking in humanity may be a more descriptive term, despite sounding contraditory.Originally Posted by TellMeMore
No there are degrees surely. Are you suggesting that you are the same as, say Ian Brady? Ted Bundy? Buono and Bianchi? Fred West? Do you think people like that are really human? They might be members of the same species as you and I, but are they really human in the way that you and I are (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt hereWhen science understands how the human brain works (predicted to happen within 20 years) it's bound to alter our preception of pychopaths, and traditional notions of good and evil as well. But I would still describe them as human.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
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So is an amputee not human either then?No there are degrees surely. Are you suggesting that you are the same as, say Ian Brady? Ted Bundy? Buono and Bianchi? Fred West? Do you think people like that are really human? They might be members of the same species as you and I, but are they really human in the way that you and I are (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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unless the amputee is also a psychopath.
DrtheE, I don't believe that psycopaths have something else, I believe they are missing something, that empathy that makes us human as opposed to just being hairless apes.
Where's the psychology dude who used to post here, he'll know what I mean.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. – George Orwell
There is no such thing as a perfect human, so there are no degrees. Humans are humans. Some are screwed up, but still as human as mister normal, whoever he is.
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Technically, the Chinese aren't human so... anything is possible
Chancellor
Care to explain that one LA? And if you're thinking about them being a slightly different genetic branch in evolutionary terms, that has been far from proven and is very contentious.
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World goin one way, people another
Yeah I was wondering what that meant as well. They look human to me.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
Senior MP
Good point with a wider subject matter. Our society is very strange indeed. For some strange reason we appear to hold the life of a murderer or rapist in higher regard than an animal that has done nothing wrong other then to be born a cow or sheep. We consider it perfectly OK to put down a dog for bighting a man, however if a yob stabs the same person we lock him away with a Nintendo wee and send him away for a holiday. The wests value on life is even stranger than that of our Muslim cousins at times !!
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In response to this I refer you to the following term:
Evolutionary Theory
Theory being the key word.
Chancellor
All well and good LA, and believe it or not I do actually know what a theory is, but I did ask you to explain your remark "Technically, the Chinese aren't human so... anything is possible". Care to have another go at it?
"High taxes don't redistribute wealth; they redistribute taxpayers" -- Arthur Laffer
No, don't ask him, he was explaining it to me and op74 a while ago... don't bother
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They suffer from a form of mental illness, as do hypochondriacs, pyromaniacs and homosexuals. What society does about them is another issue
Conservative Member
I will just quote my favourite part again.
They suffer from a form of mental illness; as do homosexuals.
World goin one way, people another
Don't encourage him LA...
Cagan, are you actually Bernard Manning back from the dead?
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
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As quoted before, I have nothing against men that want to travel up the chocolate escalator, however it is a form of perversion and thus a mental illness. I believe the fact that is now legalised is a positive thing and what two sausage jockeys do in the privacy of their own home is their business, but at the same time any two blokes that are prepared to do that sort of thing to each other have to be at least slightly round the twist. Let it be said though, the more blokes that take the other bus to work give old ugly blokes like me more of a chance, albeit not much though
Chancellor
That shows remarkable ignorance of the biology of sexuality, and the degree of bisexuality that is in a significant percentage of people, on your part.
"High taxes don't redistribute wealth; they redistribute taxpayers" -- Arthur Laffer
Conservative Member
Sorry Midas but you are so mistaken.
If we consult the most respectable and unbias Daily Mail, we discover that Homosexuality is in fact a mental illness created by immigrants.
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That's a great theory and one I am prepared to embrace.Sorry Midas but you are so mistaken.
If we consult the most respectable and unbias Daily Mail, we discover that Homosexuality is in fact a mental illness created by immigrants.
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I think this is where the distinction between psychopath and sociopath comes into play.. I think a psychopath is a person who , because of genetic pre-disposition to mental illnesses, just can't control his emotions for reasons related to brain chemistry. I think a sociopath is someone who undergoes unnatural social development, so they end up "crazy" when they're adults.
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