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Carbon Derivatives - a Ponzi Scam or What?

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    Carbon Derivatives - a Ponzi Scam or What?

    Is this 'Carbon Trading scheme' that is being dreamt up by the UN, various Governments, Banks etc a genuine way of putting incentives on governments to reduce their carbon footprint.

    or...

    Will it all become one of the biggest Ponzi Money Making Scams ever...?

    Carbon Trading in 'Derivatives'. Would you buy a 'Bag of Nothing' from the International Bankers?

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    Sep 11 - A report published by the IPPR this week stipulates that personal carbon trading may be the next step in tackling climate change, mandating people to pay for polluting".

    In other words, we might all have to be registered (every man, woman and child), and then levied with this Tax. Being 'Taxed for the Air We Breath', or the CO2 we exhale. I joked many years ago that a day might come when we will all be individually 'Taxed on the Air We Breath', and it looks like this could be the next step in the Gigantic Ponzi scam developed by Governments and International Bankers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleVanya View Post
    In other words, we might all have to be registered (every man, woman and child), and then levied with this Tax. Being 'Taxed for the Air We Breath', or the CO2 we exhale. I joked many years ago that a day might come when we will all be individually 'Taxed on the Air We Breath', and it looks like this could be the next step in the Gigantic Ponzi scam developed by Governments and International Bankers.
    The day that happens I think I'll open a school to teach skip breathing when out of water. That or we can start to sell closed circuit rebreathers for everyday use.
    I wonder why the things that should be so simple, so natural... like loving someone and letting them see into your heart... should require so much courage?

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    Hi,

    there is absolutely no sound scientific basis for this whatsoever.

    It is a Ponzi scam of staggering proportions.

    Global Warming is unfounded in science.

    The IPCC report even negates its own idiotic claims in the appendicese caveats.

    The scientists listed as contributors - many contributed the clear statement this is cr@p - though in more erudite lingustics.

    The surface temperatures on Mars would SEEM to follow the same fluctuations as ours!

    The Common Purpose, Globalist, Moral Majority, Fabian, socialist, New World Order, Communist construct is a busted flush and the world banks are BAKrupted currency has no underpinning value having been constructed from the interest rates based on The Tonnage Act - Interest on the interest charged on the interest on the interest owed on a compound basis means the ounce of Gold from the Magi would now be a block the size of the moon if he had put it in the Bethlehem Building Society in AD37 - Just like money you can not create gold by putting it in a notional vault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post

    The surface temperatures on Mars would SEEM to follow the same fluctuations as ours!
    Yes Greg, apparently it's because the Martians are running round in their 4x4s and causing lots of CO2 pollution!
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    Rejoice!

    Hi,

    REJOICE!

    Relative to the degree to which the Priests of Warmism utterly failed at Copenhagen we may have a reprieve to allow more of the truth to emerge destroying their dishonest unfounded and corrupted use of data to present some Catholic level of guilt at claims of global warming being anthropogenic when clearly it is not and even the concept of warming of the globe is little more than an hypothesis designed to fund a new form of taxation and fear to ensure control and compliance.

    REJOICE - Copenhagen was a failure though they willingly spent £2Billion of OUR money on their faith fest.

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    Re: Carbon Derivatives - a Ponzi Scam or What?

    Hi,

    I believe the Warmist Priests will be appoplectic at the revelations regarding their insane new religion and the utter dishonesty built into AGW when they read the article due in The Sunday Telegraph this coming weekend.

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    Re: Rejoice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post



    REJOICE - Copenhagen was a failure though they willingly spent £2Billion of OUR money on their faith fest.

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    ,Whatever it was they decided..............its working !

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    Re: Carbon Derivatives - a Ponzi Scam or What?

    Wonderful, an entirely new market we can build up and then lose billions of dollars on when it collapses.

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    Re: Rejoice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    ,Whatever it was they decided..............its working !
    Indeed - Anthropogenic Global Warming, Deep & Crisp & Even.

    At a subsidy cost of £1.2BILLION Britain pays Corus to shut down RedCar Steel Works and loses 5,000 jobs and an entire industry.

    We have Carbon Credits to thank for this.

    The beneficiaries are a foreign firm called Corus - well no because Corus is owned by Tata.

    Well we all save on Carbon Output - well NO the contracts and jobs are going to Tata's new steel works in Gujerrat.

    So we get the £1.2B back - well NO 3rd. world Countries don't pay!

    Well at least they have a steel industry - YES BUT - It is a massive new plant being built NOW on a world grant to create jobs in the 3rd. world!

    So we PAY to lose the Jobs, We PAY to save the Carbon, We PAY to export the jobs, We PAY to build one of the wealthiest corporations on the planet a new steel plant.

    So is there ANY gain for us - Well NO.

    Surely our politicians couldn't be so stupid and dishonest - Well YES!

    There was to be an article in The Sunday Telegraph regarding how a director of a Tata associate organisation arranged the carbon credits through his company as he was also a director of the UN Climate Report - now proven unreliable and dishonest. However Mr. Pachauri will be fully exposed he is already wriggling and squirming through lawyers!!!

    The paper has been cut back due to a collapse in advertising brought about by the depth of the Global Warming that has destroyed January Sales.

    More on Ritu Robins (neé Kumar) and her scams with Pachauri later - her letter is a hoot. She even admits that she has called herself Dr. for many years but admits she has never taken a PhD!!!

    It looks as if Mrs. Robins and her husband Mr. Robins they seemingly commission eachother to write reports for their respective research institutes - all funded from the public purse.

    Why has Britain given £10 Million of public money to a scam based in EUrope yet failed to track the use of the money through several money laundering charities in EUrope, India and New Zealand to fund a propaganda production company in Geneva which is privately owned?

    Sort of:
    A, B, C & D Charities obtain £10M each from British Government > Pay thenselves £2.5M each > donate £30M to charity E.

    Charity E applies to EU for match funding and receive £30M > E pays themselves £5M and > donates £55M to charity F.

    F being a British Charity pays no taxes and receives matched funding. keeps £10M & gives £10M each to charities G through O and the whole thing rolls on.

    QUESTION what are these Charities doing? Why not ask Charities like Common Purpose, those run and managed by various Warmist religious groups like George genius or Johnny Porridge and many more - ask the RSPCA with over £100M in the bank.

    etc. etc.

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    Re: Rejoice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Indeed - Anthropogenic Global Warming, Deep & Crisp & Even.

    At a subsidy cost of £1.2BILLION Britain pays Corus to shut down RedCar Steel Works and loses 5,000 jobs and an entire industry.

    We have Carbon Credits to thank for this.

    [ ... ]
    Not just here in the UK. It's exactly the same sort of thing which is happening in Australia, decimating the coal industry and losing thousands of jobs, all of which are going to China where the care for the environment is much lower than in Australia. Three cheers for the nonsense of Carbon Credits!!
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    Re: Rejoice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwalker View Post
    ,Whatever it was they decided..............its working !
    (Referring to Copenhagen Holiday Camp for World leaders.)

    Brilliant, Streetwalker, brilliant!
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    Re: Rejoice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    (Referring to Copenhagen Holiday Camp for World leaders.)

    Brilliant, Streetwalker, brilliant!
    Hi,

    Indeed it is working - nothing has done more to make the public so aware that they are being lied to and cheated by their politicians or just how much of a scam the fantasy of Anthropogenic Global Warming is - the Warmist high priests are in total denial of the factual evidence, blinded by their own greed and self interest.

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    Re: Rejoice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Not just here in the UK. It's exactly the same sort of thing which is happening in Australia, decimating the coal industry and losing thousands of jobs, all of which are going to China where the care for the environment is much lower than in Australia. Three cheers for the nonsense of Carbon Credits!!
    Hi,

    It is truly a global scam.

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