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During the period 1530 to 1789 it is estimated that 1.25 million European men, women and children were kidnapped by Islamic pirates from around the coasts of Britain and continental Europe to be sold into slavery in North Africa — yet there is no memorial in Britain recording for posterity the suffering of so many of our forebears.
When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed
According to early 17th century observers there were around 35,000 European Christian slaves in the Barbary Coast towns of Tripoli, Tunis and Algiers at any one time.
In the first half of the 17th century, Barbary corsairs from North Africa, authorised by their governments to attack the shipping of Christian countries — ranged all around Britain’s coasts, but the West Country in particular.
During this fifty-year period Admiralty records show that the slavers plundered British shipping pretty much at will, capturing almost 500 vessels between 1609 and 1616, including 27 from around Plymouth alone in 1625.
A list, printed in London in 1682, listed 160 British ships captured by “Algerians” between 1677 and 1680 yielding the Islamic slavers between 7,000 to 9,000 men, women and children for sale in the North African slave markets.
In June 1636 “Turkish” slavers off the Cornish village of St. Keverne seized seven Cornish fishing boats; the fifty-strong crew of men and boys who manned these vessels were never seen again.
Shortly before the St. Keverne incident 5 empty fishing boats from the Cornish port of Looe were discovered; graphic details are recorded of boats seen drifting unmanned and without sails, of weeping women, of constant fear of the raiding and the possible destruction of the port.
A few years later, in 1640, the records contain numerous references to Barbary pirates on the Cornish coast, including the taking of three ships “in the open view of Penzance” and a further three ships the same night at Mousehole, near Land’s End.
About the same time a raid on the town of Penzance by Barbary slavers resulted in a “catch” of some sixty men, women and children.
In 1640 Barbary pirates seeking ransom in respect of some of their English captives allowed a petition to be sent to King Charles I, it details their plight:
Here are about 5,000 of your subjects, in miserable captivity, undergoing most unsufferable labours, as rowing in galleys, drawing in carp, grinding in mills; with divers such unchristian like works, most lamentable to express and most burdensome to undergo, withal suffering much hunger and many blows on their bare bodies, by which cruelty many not being able to undergo it, have been forced to turn Mohamedans, so that these burdensome labours will cause many good seamen and others your subjects to perish unless some course be by you taken for our release, which we of ourselves cannot procure by reason of our great losses, and the extraordinary ransoms imposed on us.
To this petition dated 3rd October 1640, was appended a list of a further 957 prisoners taken since May 18th, 1639.
It is reasonable to assume that over the 250 years in question that the number of men, women and children either seized from coastal shipping or coastal villages in the West Country must be numbered in the tens of thousands.
Yet not only are there no memorials to the “Disappeared”, the subject isn’t even included in the history curriculum of West Country schools.
The British National Party says it’s high time these “oversights” were rectified and the suffering of our ancestors given the recognition it deserves?
Recommended reading: White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and North Africa’s One Million European Slaves by Giles Milton
In the summer of 1716, A Cornish cabin boy named Thomas Pellow and fifty-one of his comrades were captured at sea by Barbary corsairs. Their captors — Ali Hakem and his network of fanatical Islamic slave traders — had declared war on the whole of Christendom. Poked, prodded and put through their paces at the great slave markets of Morocco, thousands of Europeans were sold to the highest bidder.
Thomas Pellow was bought by the tyrannical sultan, Moulay Ismail, as a personal slave, and he would witness first-hand the barbaric splendour of the imperial Moroccan court, as well as experience daily terror for twenty-three years. He was one of the fortunate few who survived to tell his tale.
Hey, cheer up, lets forget all that and commemorate what went on after that, whites enslaving blacks, that'll make us feel better...
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
accidental genius!
If you include statues of Wilberforce there are only six memorials to slavery in this country anyway.
There is actually some debate about how true any figure is of white slavery from the time you mention, although odd cases were certainly recorded. However if you want to build a memorial then I think you should be allowed.
"The object of universities is not to make skilful lawyers, physicians or engineers. It is to make capable and cultivated human beings." John Stewart Mill
Sure, go for it. Since there's practically no black slavery memorials in Britain either then don't expect public money to be spent but whatever turns you on.
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At some point in History most nations have been the slaves of others or enslaved their own people. It was a historical fact. Feudal Law was slavery by a different name. It happened, get over it.
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Hi,
I for one am sick of failed political ideologies without imagination jumping on band waggons.
Why not demand an apology from the Italians for the British prisoners that were captured and taken to the slave markets of Rome and as for those poor Neanderthals surely an apology is long over due from the Croations.
Only a dishonest idiot would apologise for something over which he had neither say nor control.
Trust a cut and paste merchant from the VILE racist and anti Jewish BNP to come up with this dishonest and pathetic wheeze.
The BNP won'e even renounce its foundations in the obscene anti Jewish behaviour of its founders and the idiotic attempts of its illiterate corp of holocaust deniers, nor does it renounce its close association with the white supremacists in America and the entertaining pastime they have of lynching, burning, dragging and shooting people BECAUSE they are black.
Now these VILE people want a statue to their obsession with Racism.
Yes people take/capture other people and enslave them and have done as far as we can tell, in one form or another, since mankind emerged on this planet. The Belgians (in as far as Belgium is a Countryt being merely a faux construct likely to fly to bits within a year or two - the role model for the EU) enslaved literally Millions in the Congo, the Indians call their slaves bonded labourers, the Bilderbergers hand out worthless paper as a pretence of value to their slaves!
As many realise Nick Griffin is a rather seedy, thoroughly unpleasant, untrustworthy but cunning creep with ethics that would grace an open sewer.
Clearly there is neither cause for apology nor need for a statue - were people less interested in point scoring over false slights out of the context of history they might be putting more effort into seeking to avoid their own starvation in the inevitable and pre planned wars of disassociation of the malign and undemocratic central soviet of the EU and the famines that will result.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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No. Really at some point people just have to give up harking back and back to history looking for some injustice to rant about.
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Hi,
we have a National memorial to the Brits who were pointlessly killed by Blair, Brown, Straw and their cronies in a criminal act of 'a Crime Against Humanity' errected last week in The National Arboretam.
Should a more prominent wall of shame be errected in memory of the 1.4 Million people these 3 men and their cronies have been responsible for killing in Iraq alone?
I believe War Criminals should be commemorated as a caution to others just as historically certain criminals were hung publicly, drawn in public and quartered to provide an examplar at 4 places as they hanged.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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Greg....I really do suggest you keep up with politics if your going to comment on it. The whole government voted for war. Yes Blair was the leader of the Party asking the question and he presented the evidence to the commons, but when all is said and done, none of the other parties really challenged the decision, despite high ranking members of the Labour Party being opposed (Robin Cook for example).Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins
They had plenty of time to seek a different perspective, to speak to Hans Glick and to speak to other independent experts, they all chose not too and they all, bar a few, voted to take us to war.
This is a very important subject, and is not the place for political point scoring, but for the truth, no matter how untasteful and upsetting that may be.
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Hi,
true and did those others lie or merely weakly follow the belief that a Prime Minister would not deliberately lie to Parliament, which beyond ANY doubt Blair did.
That we had a pathalogical liar in office supported by others of similar ilk on similar agendas is not a matter of dispute.
Do I believe the other politicians are weak, venal, lazy, over paid, ill informed and parasitic - Yes.
Do I believe the other politicians failed in their duty - Yes.
Do I believe they were utterly stupid not to have realised Blair and his Government were utterly dishonest - Yes.
Perhaps in trying to catch up you might care to study some of the facts and some of the datelines as I announced when the war would start in the May before, I gave the full reasoning in the July, in August I said France's actions woul have to be frightened off.
In early September I stated Blair would put a shot across the bows of France.
I spoke to Oliver Letwin & Bernard Jenkin withing hours of Blair's utterly dishonest WMD speech. In December I showed that Iraq, Iran, France, N.Korea and China had entered a pact on €Uro usage and also the aim of a Bourse in Iran by June also stated this made a March invasion absolutely inevitable.
I then spotted the 'Dodgey Dossier' identified its source and highlighted the variations on the Drowning Street web site and informed Peter Snow on Channel 4 then Kirsty Walk on Newsnight, then the Toady programme as on the afternoon I had identified it I discussed it with The Sunday Times and we were certain it could not be held till the Sunday so I told my contact he could pass it to the Daily and in return he gave me a couple of phone numbers to cut through to the news progs.
Clearly in a patagraph or two I did NOT fill in the details - may I suggest you would do better being less judgemental and asking before you judge!
The details behind the story are often left out for various reasons.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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Damn, I thought the thread said "victims of Islamic Shaving" - so much for the demon berber........
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We could also have a memorial for the English, Scottish and Irish people enslaved by the British government for hundreds of years?
Oh we do, Australia......
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Which means 2 things.
A, where can i get this sort of information from, other than
B, the BNP website, which you clearly visit on a regular basis.
I probably visit the other party website about twice a year at best.
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
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