Nah I think BNP members should definitely be barred from police and teaching. The chance that they are filthy racists is too high. You join a party run by racists, you can be classed as racist for these purposes to be honest. I know not only racists join - there are plenty of ignorant (in the least insulting way) and misled people, but do you want ignorant and misled people to be teachers anyway?!

Thats hardly fair Doug. If you ban the BNP from the police, what about all the other non-BNP racists they employ? They just get a free pass?
As much as I wouldn't want my hypothetical kids taught by BNP people, I think when you start barring people from occupations based on their political beliefs you're on to a slippery slope. In the case of teachers I don't think it would affect their ability to teach, and if it did, there are procedures in place to remove them anyway.

Communists should definitely be barred from teaching.

Originally Posted by Barry

Communists should definitely be barred from teaching.

Difference is communism is usually an intellectual standpoint held by intelligent people who have arrived at their strong communism through too much exposure to books and not enough to the real world whereas BNP support comes from ignorance and hatred. I'd rather have the former teaching to be honest.

Originally Posted by Barry

Communists should definitely be barred from teaching.

Then who would teach??

Originally Posted by JacquesMagique

Then who would teach??

In which case it is more properly known as indoctrinating, not teaching.

Originally Posted by DougieG

Nah I think BNP members should definitely be barred from police and teaching. The chance that they are filthy racists is too high. You join a party run by racists, you can be classed as racist for these purposes to be honest. I know not only racists join - there are plenty of ignorant (in the least insulting way) and misled people, but do you want ignorant and misled people to be teachers anyway?!

I started the thread really to consider a general political / philosophic point regarding the limits of the state, however, to answer your point Dougie, even if all BNP members hold racist views, then so what, seriously, so what? After all if they keep their "political" views to themselves, as I understand teachers are supposed to do regardless as to their standpoint, then what is the problem?

What really concerns me is that control-freak central Governments believe both that they can (and feel wholly justified in doing so) determine which jobs members of legal political parties can and cannot do. We are supposed to live in a liberal democracy (albeit many of the events of the past 13 years make me question whether this is really the case now), one where "the state" does not unduly concern itself with / interfere with the lawful everyday activities of the individual citizen. In my view, in seeking to restrict the professions of members of any lawful political party, is a gross violation of the individual's civil rights and sets the state and the citizen on a path that many accuse (probably rightly) the BNP of seeking to introduce, namely totalitarian fascism.

http://www.politic.co.uk/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Barry http://www.politic.co.uk/images/butt...post-right.png
Communists should definitely be barred from teaching.
Difference is communism is usually an intellectual standpoint held by intelligent people who have arrived at their strong communism through too much exposure to books and not enough to the real world whereas BNP support comes from ignorance and hatred. I'd rather have the former teaching to be honest.

Given the horrors inflicted by various communist regimes throughout history, I think I would probably dispute that communism is an intellectual standpoint, let alone one held by intelligent people. It strikes me that like fascism, communism is based on pride, a dislike/hatred of "the other", total control freakery and self-rightousness. Ultimately, I'm not really bothered what political views teachers hold, provided that they are decent teachers and kind human beings.

It was the thin end of the wedge when the socialists started asking on Police application forms whether you were, or ever had been a member of the BNP. You could be a member of any other legitimate party, but not the BNP.

My earlier comment was made tongue in cheek, and I don't really mean it.
I'd like the best people for any job employed, regardless of their political leanings, provided that they get on with the job in hand and don't canvass in the workplace.

Failing to give certain jobs to BNP members could expand to not allowing them any work at all.

Then they will start on who next?

In my view there are only two options

1/ Remove all bans on the BNP and allow anyone to be a member of the party. They are legitimate after all
2/ Ban the party entirely. They are no longer legitimate thus you can prevent workers from any profession from joining the organisation.

Hi,

it is the proud boast of The Police that they are not and nor are their Officers permitted to be Political - Both are very typical Police Lies.

The Police nowadays have little to do with serving the public but much to do with being Political enforcers and in some cases out of control murder squads for the Politicians.

It is NOT the duty of the Police to decide which Parties are or are not legitimate - OF COURSE they should not be allowed to dictate which legal parties may or may not join the Police.

They can and should enforce their own rule that no Police Officer may practice or display a political position or view - however as enforcers in an increasingly Police State they themselves are clearly Political but hipocarcy is not unknown in the Police.

The same clearly should pertain to all jobs.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Personally I think that anyone that is an actual member of a Political party shouldn't be allowed to teach or be in the police. No matter what party they belong to.

Originally Posted by Kiwi 1691

Personally I think that anyone that is an actual member of a Political party shouldn't be allowed to teach or be in the police. No matter what party they belong to.

That's ridiculous; why? It would be to deny hundreds of thousands of party members up and down the country a potential job.

Originally Posted by Kiwi 1691

Personally I think that anyone that is an actual member of a Political party shouldn't be allowed to teach or be in the police. No matter what party they belong to.

Personally I dont think anyone who is a member of a political party should be allowed to be a politition.

Originally Posted by Streetwalker

Personally I dont think anyone who is a member of a political party should be allowed to be a politition.

Hi,

I incline to agree with you as it is clear that the concept of Political Parties has clearly betrayed us.

The concept of INDEPENDENTS would seem to be ever more alluring with the aim that democracy should be brought ever closer to the people and since we are denied any form of meaningful democracy as vassals of the centralised, malign, damaging and clearly undemocratic EU the obvious sol;ution is:
INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance
which should deliver exactly what it states on the packet!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Originally Posted by DougieG

Nah I think BNP members should definitely be barred from police and teaching. The chance that they are filthy racists is too high. You join a party run by racists, you can be classed as racist for these purposes to be honest. I know not only racists join - there are plenty of ignorant (in the least insulting way) and misled people, but do you want ignorant and misled people to be teachers anyway?!

Well in that case, lets ban all Roman-Catholics (They always want to destroy Protestantism), Muslims, Hindu bla bla bla ...Actually lets have a dictatorship and ban all opposition!!

Christ man, a person is entitled to their views, what is important they do not use their views to intimidate, discriminate or indoctrinate.

If you ban people from a job for this reason you are flirting with dicatorship.

Originally Posted by dougieg

difference is communism is usually an intellectual standpoint held by intelligent people who have arrived at their strong communism through too much exposure to books and not enough to the real world whereas bnp support comes from ignorance and hatred. I'd rather have the former teaching to be honest.

we have! Personaly, I would rather have pride in country, loyalty to country, pride in yourself, proper teachers passing on these values and teaching our children to pass their exams and get on their lives - IT"S THEIR RIGHT! Afterall, their parents certainly pay for the privilage. Although, I don"t VOTE BNP, I know certain people that do, and they are neither ignorant, or hold hatered - JUST PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LET DOWN BY THIS SO-CALLED SOCIALIST GOVERMENT, WHO CAN"T WORK OUT WHY PEOPLE ARE TURNING TO THESE PARTIES.

Originally Posted by Jim Franklin

Well in that case, lets ban all Roman-Catholics (They always want to destroy Protestantism), Muslims, Hindu bla bla bla ...Actually lets have a dictatorship and ban all opposition!!

Christ man, a person is entitled to their views, what is important they do not use their views to intimidate, discriminate or indoctrinate.

Quite right, religious people shouldn't be teaching children their views until the kids are about 18.

Originally Posted by DougieG

Quite right, religious people shouldn't be teaching children their views until the kids are about 18.

So who teaches the children. I was born C of E, but I am an atheist. So therefore my views are at odds with the majority, right atheists cannot teach, religious people cannot teach..well that only leaves the agnostics..hang on..they are also a minority..rules them out...so the kids don't get taught...

L overly idea that!.

Originally Posted by DougieG

Quite right, religious people shouldn't be teaching children their views until the kids are about 18.

Oh, really, you think a 17 year old should die and go to hell for lack of hearing the Gospel - just to suit your failed ideology?
I don't think so.

Hey - how about we scrap all schools and let parents teach their children!

Originally Posted by Barry

Oh, really, you think a 17 year old should die and go to hell for lack of hearing the Gospel - just to suit your failed ideology?
I don't think so.
Hey - how about we scrap all schools and let parents teach their children!

Hi,

as failed superstitions go what is a so called christian? They seem to be a withered stump of extremists, cults and commercialism.

Attendance in almost all churches has collapsed in Britain despite the element of compulsion, during my lifetime despite the population more than tripling!

All the assorted shamans of the various branches of the christian cults have very different views - the only area which seems to flourish are the Jehovah's wet nurses, the mormons and the commercial holy rollers.

There is absolutely no requirement to ban people for their views beliefs or fantasies - there is adequate law enacted that enforcement would suffice. Superstitions of ALL types should NOT be taught in schools or promoted in any workplace.

Also ALL politician should be banned in schools, including the obscene amount of propaganda from the EU - concepts like Shumann Professorships are an obscene idea.

NO Political Party, Government or State should be allowed to propagandise in schools, workplace or education. Further no state, government or political party should receive a bean from the public purse for their promotion and all state advertising on all aspects of state should be filtered through a ruthlessly cross party filter structure.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Originally Posted by DTE

As much as I wouldn't want my hypothetical kids taught by BNP people

They couldn't have done any worse than the present educational establishment that has fully succeeded in indoctrinating the population with statist and progressive socialist ideas. The country will be suffering the consequences for many decades to come...

No, because who exactly is judging what is acceptable and what isn't. I would say a large portion of, and perhaps the majority, of the BNP are not racist bigots, yet they are barred from certain parts of the workforce. It makes the assumption that if you're part of the BNP you must be a racist, it would be like assuming if you're a member of Labor you must be a Union member, or if you're a member of the conservatives you must live in a big country house, have a title and shoot foxes in your spare time. If you ban the BNP for being racists, you logically can ban any member of any party for the political views they hold. Communists could be banned, as could Anti-EU campaigners (as they go against what the major parties say is right), as could virtually any religious group. You create an environment where political discrimination, and by extension any other kind of discrimination, is legal and acceptable provided it corresponds with the views of those in power.

Originally Posted by DCFGS3

No, because who exactly is judging what is acceptable and what isn't. I would say a large portion of, and perhaps the majority, of the BNP are not racist bigots, yet they are barred from certain parts of the workforce. It makes the assumption that if you're part of the BNP you must be a racist, it would be like assuming if you're a member of Labor you must be a Union member, or if you're a member of the conservatives you must live in a big country house, have a title and shoot foxes in your spare time. If you ban the BNP for being racists, you logically can ban any member of any party for the political views they hold. Communists could be banned, as could Anti-EU campaigners (as they go against what the major parties say is right), as could virtually any religious group. You create an environment where political discrimination, and by extension any other kind of discrimination, is legal and acceptable provided it corresponds with the views of those in power.

Exactly....that sums it up really.

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

Hi,

it is the proud boast of The Police that they are not and nor are their Officers permitted to be Political - Both are very typical Police Lies.

The Police nowadays have little to do with serving the public but much to do with being Political enforcers and in some cases out of control murder squads for the Politicians.

It is NOT the duty of the Police to decide which Parties are or are not legitimate - OF COURSE they should not be allowed to dictate which legal parties may or may not join the Police.

They can and should enforce their own rule that no Police Officer may practice or display a political position or view - however as enforcers in an increasingly Police State they themselves are clearly Political but hipocarcy is not unknown in the Police.

The same clearly should pertain to all jobs.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Up until the advent of the Human Rights Legislation, it was against Police Regs, for an officer to be a member of any political party.

Originally Posted by Binnman

Up until the advent of the Human Rights Legislation, it was against Police Regs, for an officer to be a member of any political party.

Hi,

correct - and the EUHRL is/are utter bunkum as EVERY right therein is nothing more than a State license which, as defined in the EUHRL is defined in it proscription.

The entire State centric self serving STATE is an obscenity largely of EU making as a result of the concepts of Corpus Juris founded on the Justinian Codex with an overlay of Code Napoleon it is a codex of Law absolute that does not provide Habeas Corpus, protection from Double Jeopardy, assumption of innocence, Fair Trial, Jury Trial, nor the two pillars of Justice being Justice must be seen to be done and Justice Delayed is Justice Denied.

Further the obscenity of the EUHRL is based upon no separation between state, Judiciary & Enforcement - nor any concept of advocacy.

The entire concept is an obscene communist style construct based upon the false assumption that the people are the servants of the State - a complete vaulte face of natural justice.

Further in its own early text books it defines Corpus Juris as a system of 'Repression' with no gravitas given to Justice!

We even see now that Police may be members of State approved political parties but may not be members of certain legally recognised Political Parties.

Similarly the Lisbon Liars Charter which is in fact a New Constitution - clearly lays down recipes for who shall be eligible to stand for election to the so called parliament. It shall be essential to gain recognition and even a pretence of representation that you, as laid out in the documentation, MUST and may ONLY vote for a party which advocates the well being and furtherance of the EU project, must have not less than 28 (at the moment, shortly to rise to 32) elected MEPs who must represent Regions in not less than 7 different vassal states.

There shall therefore be no democracy.

These United Kingdoms shall have 1 member out of 27 on The Council of EUrope and 1 member out of 27 on The unelected Commission though if the commisars do not approve the choice they may reject not just the individual but the Country also!

Further do be minded of around 750 MEPs Britain has a mere 8% thus if ALL British MEPs vote for an issue they need only find another 43% to back their submission!!! This risible committee dictatorship lies and lays claim to democratic principles.

Be minded many British MEPs choose to take advantage of the exchange rates and are paid in EUro into overseas / Off Shore accounts to avoid British taxes! In Belgium taxation for an MEPs near £90K salary is a mere 22%. Meanwhile no doubt their wives and children benefit from British health services, education, transport facilities and policing to name but a few of the gains they opt not to pay for!

Do you not feel that The Party Political concept has so radically betrayed us it is time to seek out a new model before this spolls in blood on the streets - where the citizenry of Britain will be shot and killed by armed EUroPol and the newly forming Rapid Repression force.

Regards,
Greg L-W.