Originally Posted by newspresenter

No, this wasn't a quote from a puppet president or prime minister, a Rothschild or Rockefeller, or even a mystical quote from ancient times, no, this was something Professor Brian Cox in sunday's series about the Wonders of the Solar system called, wait for it, Order out of Chaos BBC - BBC Two Programmes - Wonders of the Solar System, Order out of Chaos

He mentions order out of chaos earlier in the show, then in the last 3 minutes, multiple times concerning the complexity of the solar system and how it was formed, which is around about true, only, the choice of words seems a bit out there considering throughout the show he just explained things naturally.

I thought the following was quite scary, "you and me are part of the solar system, you and me are ordered structures formed from the chaos".

Ordered structures? Who ordered us as structures? What is an ordered human being structure? Is he implying we're supposed to be structurely ordered? Programmed?

The founders of what we know America is today, created the One Dollar Bill
Under the triangle on the left - Novus Ordo Seclorum = Order Out Of Chaos
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I'm not sure whether you're being deliberately obtuse here, or you just don't understand the context of order and chaos in a scientific sense. To summarise, "One of the important findings of modern chaos theory is that seeds of order seem to be embedded in chaos, while seeds of chaos are apparently embedded in order. Systems that are stable in relation to their environment can become unstable. Systems that are unstable can return to stability."

In other words, chaotic systems will naturally tend towards order, such as we see throughout the universe, yet within those systems there is still chaos, albeit normally only at a quantum level. There's no 'programming' necessary, it's the nature of matter.

An interesting series though.

It annoy's me that you attack me so negatively. I understand the logic of what prof brian cox was saying, but the use of words is weird. The quote is just part of the weirdness.

Yes, good series, although each hourly programme bores badly around the 35 - 45th minute.

NP, I also watched this program as it appealed to my scientific interests.
Like most BBC programs, it tends to try to explain everything from a Godless viewpoint, whilst attributing what may have happened to "Natural Forces".
For me, Nature = God, and explanations which exclude a designer of the Universe are always a little lacking, sometimes downright lies.
It is a huge leap from Saturn's Cassini ring separation being caused by gravitational resonance with a satellite, which I can understand, to the whole Universe, including the creation of man by the same "Natural Forces".
It was a poor attempt to link the start of the universe and the solar system with the existence of intelligent life.
The link does exist for me, but not in the way that Brian Cox explained it.

Anyway, I enjoyed the program, very educational, probably flawed, as is anything which is based on gravity and magnetism, both forces of which we have laws for, but don't really know how they occur.
For these perhaps poorly explained reasons, I might understand the thinking behind your OP, newspresenter.

Originally Posted by Barry

NP, I also watched this program as it appealed to my scientific interests.
Like most BBC programs, it tends to try to explain everything from a Godless viewpoint, whilst attributing what may have happened to "Natural Forces".
For me, Nature = God, and explanations which exclude a designer of the Universe are always a little lacking, sometimes downright lies......

Sorry Barry but I have to disagree totally and absolutely. The BBC, and any other film-maker who produces material which is based on or around science or nature, should stick to their subject and not get side-tracked off into the unnecessary superstitions of religion or talk of a god who has even less of a factual basis than even the most obtuse of scientific theories. Keep this god idea to the churches where people at least have a choice of going and indulging in their delusion or not.

We may not be advanced enough to yet understand many of the finer workings of the universe, however what we do know from every single scientific discipline there is, is that there is a natural order and progression in the evolution and development of our universe and everything that it contains. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to introduce religion into this, it serves no useful purpose at all; in fact it detracts from what we already know and replaces it with nothing more than fallacious beliefs spurred on by self-interested theists determined to force their irrationality down the throats of others.

Just as a note Barry, during the several hundred years in which serious scientific research has been undertaken, there has not been one shred of evidence in any scientific discipline to support either the fact that there is such a thing as a god, or even that there's any necessity whatsoever for there to be such a thing as a god - other than in the human mind of course, but there's even a logical, scientific, reason why this irrationality exists.

I don't think that you are sorry at all, Midas, in fact, I'd say you might be a trifle touchy.
Which is perhaps why you blasted "deliberately obtuse" off at NP after he raised a perfectly good point. Did you suspect he was about to introduce God, or Intelligent Design?

Originally Posted by Barry

I don't think that you are sorry at all, Midas, in fact, I'd say you might be a trifle touchy.
Which is perhaps why you blasted "deliberately obtuse" off at NP after he raised a perfectly good point. Did you suspect he was about to introduce God, or Intelligent Design?

I meant 'sorry' in the context that I was addressing it to you directly Barry, rather than it being a generalised observation......

Actually the thought of creationism or intelligent design never entered my head when I replied to NP's original post; even though he's hot on conspiracy theories I didn't quite go that far!!