The Tories Can Win Big, Whatever the Polls Say

[Don]

From the Times Online
February 24, 2010

"Ignore reports of a hung Parliament. Clever targeting in key seats is bring the Conservatives votes where they count."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7038326.ece

[uncon]

I saw that and am rather sceptical.

I am aware that the latest poll does not take into account any damage caused by the bullying allegations or the Prime Ministers Questions of today, but does include the Piers Morgan interview in which Brown came across very well.

What I will be interested to see is how those who were swayed by that interview react to the latest stuff. Will they disbelieve it (unlikely as Darling and every respected political commentator proves a rather different character than that shown) or will they feel that the PM and his buddies have tried to deceive via spin? We can talk and talk, but the next poll will show what us political animals cannot predict

[uncon]

and boy did it!

It was very heartening to be honest. The decrease in gap shows that people are looking to see what each party is bringing to the table and beyond the character defamations (although if you get to watch Prescott and Cambell on twitter it is sickeningingly personal attacks that they make constantly.

[DTE]

Polling is largely pointless. The latest poll is just something for people to talk about in the media and in Westminster. Less people will vote this time out than in 2005. So once again, whatever party is elected will have less votes than any previous government in history. If anything, these constant fluctuations are proof that most people are not decided. Thats most of the people that WILL actually vote of course. Most people in the country will not. The latest polling data is just used to influence the next poll, which is just a gut reaction to whatever is in the news at that time. It adds up to nothing much and kills the sterling for no reason. Its media driving politics instead of the other way round and if, Allah forbid, the Tories actually do get into power and Murdoch's latest puppet takes office, it'll just be more of the same.

I think outside of the south east, polling data has very little effect on public opinion.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

does it matter who wins now that our Governance is direct by the unelected EU since 01-Dec-2009?

Do remember that 80% of our laws are by imposition and the balance must comply with the EU.

Do remember that the 3 parties are ALL led by Bilderberg appointees.

Do remember all 3 parties have an identical policy towards the EU.

PROBABLY the best outcome will be a Labour party returned, as is entirely probable, that will at least wake people up a little and the progress of Evil will not falter in the illusory belief that the Tories would alter a single thing.

With Labour in situ there would be no haiatus period they have already proved they are utterly incompetent, anti British, pro communist, seeking a malign Common Purpose towards being in thrall as vassals to an already failed experiment towards global governance.

With Labour the speed of collapse may just possibly do less damage that MIGHT be repairable prolonging the collapse may in fact do more damage?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Major Sinic]

and boy did it!

It was very heartening to be honest. The decrease in gap shows that people are looking to see what each party is bringing to the table and beyond the character defamations (although if you get to watch Prescott and Cambell on twitter it is sickeningingly personal attacks that they make constantly.

I really think you are hoping for more from 'joe public' than they are willing or able to give. More will not bother voting than will vote, a large majority of those who will vote had their political minds made up soon after their conception, and whether it is raining or not on polling day will have more influence on turnout and the eventual result than any last minute policy statement.

[Don]

I really think you are hoping for more from 'joe public' than they are willing or able to give. More will not bother voting than will vote, a large majority of those who will vote had their political minds made up soon after their conception, and whether it is raining or not on polling day will have more influence on turnout and the eventual result than any last minute policy statement.

Unfortunately, Major, I tend to agree with you. In that respect, voters here and in your country are much alike, too damn lazy and disinterested to even try to educate themselves on issues and to exercise their franchise at the ballot box. My blood pressure goes up several points every time I have to listen to some idiot state that they're voting a party, either Democrat or Republican, because that's how it's always been in their family. Generally, the old saw about getting the government we deserve is true.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

having been totally and treasonously betrayed by the LibLabCon does it really matter who they vote for now that our Government is situated in Brussels and Westminster law is merely a matter of rubber stamping the undemocratic diktat of The EU.

That what was our only lifeboat, UKIP has devolved into a bunch of low grade, squabbling parish councillors being rude to people for publicity whilst cossying up to the racist anti Jewish xenophobes in the violent pro EU membership EFD as EUkip, clearly having gone native - sadly we have moved one step closer to The Wars of Disassociation as the entire obscene, undemocratic communist style EU experiment collapses in ruins dragging as many as 200,000,000 to their death across EUrope.

One is tempted to say 'Don't vote it only encourages them' however for those still with some hope and who aim to try to Reclaim OUR Future Vernon Coleman's book a Bloodless Revolution may prove a worthwhile read and the policies of INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance offer as much as we could think of by way of hope!

A Tory Government, a hung parliament or more Labour - so what?

Each has shown that by whip they can ensure they move our Country deeper into thrall as a vassal of global governance.

Betrayed by weak men cloned from the same mold - chosen and bought by the Evils behind the smoke and mirrors.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Major Sinic]

Hi,

having been totally and treasonously betrayed by the LibLabCon does it really matter who they vote for now that our Government is situated in Brussels and Westminster law is merely a matter of rubber stamping the undemocratic diktat of The EU.

That what was our only lifeboat, UKIP has devolved into a bunch of low grade, squabbling parish councillors being rude to people for publicity whilst cossying up to the racist anti Jewish xenophobes in the violent pro EU membership EFD as EUkip, clearly having gone native - sadly we have moved one step closer to The Wars of Disassociation as the entire obscene, undemocratic communist style EU experiment collapses in ruins dragging as many as 200,000,000 to their death across EUrope.

One is tempted to say 'Don't vote it only encourages them' however for those still with some hope and who aim to try to Reclaim OUR Future Vernon Coleman's book a Bloodless Revolution may prove a worthwhile read and the policies of INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance offer as much as we could think of by way of hope!

A Tory Government, a hung parliament or more Labour - so what?

Each has shown that by whip they can ensure they move our Country deeper into thrall as a vassal of global governance.

Betrayed by weak men cloned from the same mold - chosen and bought by the Evils behind the smoke and mirrors.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Have you ever tried to write a post without the excessive use of extreme adjectives? The exaggeration and pomposity of your posts weakens your message.

Whilst agreeing that the signing of the Lisbon Treaty/Constitution by the Labour government was a massive breach of promise to the electorate, you are not justified in lumping the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in with your condemnation, since neither party had any part to play in Labour's betrayal. Indeed the Conservatives were fully in favour of a referendum right up to the point of signature. Equally you overstate the degree of loss of our national self-determination. Again whilst acknowledging that we have lost a degree of our autonomy we have retained considerable freedom to act with regard to social, economic, cultural and even military policy.

To suggest that the possible failure of the European Union will result in the death of up to 200 million people stretches credulity beyond breaking point, and in my opinion diminishes the validity of your post. To imply that the forthcoming election is meaningless in terms of UK governance is disingenuous in the extreme.

You fail to recognise the reality that the European issue is already fading in the dull and disinterested minds of the electorate, and other issues have moved in to take their place. You come over as a single issue fanatic shouting out your message so loudly, that you can't hear the message coming back.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Have you ever tried to write a post without the excessive use of extreme adjectives?

Tell you what - you do the rewrites.

The exaggeration and pomposity of your posts weakens your message.

Do you not perceive you are on very weak ground to admonish on the grounds of pomposity!! It is the inaccuracy that worries me about yours!

Whilst agreeing that the signing of the Lisbon Treaty/Constitution by the Labour government was a massive breach of promise to the electorate, you are not justified in lumping the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in with your condemnation,

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. The Lib Dims. were in favour and believed that by splitting the electorate with an in out vote they would win. They have NEVER opposed one word of EU legislation - they were set up by the EU as a pro EU party by Roy Jenkins who was an EU Commissioner sent home early to destabilise the centre ground of British politics with the SDP.

The Tories have signed every treaty for the EU without exception they didn't even campaign against the New Constitution.

since neither party had any part to play in Labour's betrayal.

They aided Labour in passing the bill with absolutely no effort against.

Indeed the Conservatives were fully in favour of a referendum right up to the point of signature.

Words!! They made absolutely no effort to oppose and used its passing to drop the referendum idea as fast as possible. Not one word of serious opposition - even poor old Bill Cash was barely heard. How many BOO members? Yeah exactly - now the blue Labour are deselecting BOO supporters and parachuting in outside candidates.

Equally you overstate the degree of loss of our national self-determination.

Is that what they told you!!! Clearly you haven't read the new self ammending EU Constitution.

Again whilst acknowledging that we have lost a degree of our autonomy we have retained considerable freedom to act with regard to social, economic, cultural and even military policy.

Do read the bloody thing - even at the moment 80% of our laws are imposed from Brussels and the balance 20% must be compliant.

Did you never read the ECA passed by the Tories?

To suggest that the possible failure of the European Union will result in the death of up to 200 million people stretches credulity beyond breaking point,

So your comprehension and understanding of the facts is limited to what and by what?

and in my opinion diminishes the validity of your post.

Your opinion is not of much interest since clearly you are rather poorly informed.

To imply that the forthcoming election is meaningless in terms of UK governance is disingenuous in the extreme.

Why? Our laws are now made by the EU - MPs are a waste of space for as long as the arcane concept of lines of ya booing liars performing like seal;s for the party whip pertains - UTTERLY irrelevant and it will start to dawn on the dullards over the next 5 years.

You fail to recognise the reality that the European issue is already fading in the dull and disinterested minds of the electorate,

True - the world cup is so much more important!!

and other issues have moved in to take their place.

& the lying b@stards in parliament of all parties fail to tell the people the truth as it might loose them their ticket on the gravy train - scum to the very last nodding donkey!

You come over as a single issue fanatic shouting out your message so loudly, that you can't hear the message coming back.

I'm not much interested in the propaganda - and you clearly have no command of the facts.

Regards,
Greg L-W.