Can we trust the Conservatives

[Hookit]

Can we trust the Conservatives? They have been very poor in opposition so how on earth can we expect them to be a good or even fair government.

Like many I am sick of this government and they have stabbed the working men and women of this country in the back, they have been dishonest about everything from immigration to the war in Iraq.

Taking all this into account I feel if the Conservative had been in power things would have been far worse.

When my sons became of voting age and asked about who they should vote for I told them it is always a case of the best of a bad bunch.

Can we trust the Conservative to be better than Labour or are we stuffed between the devil and the deep blue sea?

[Streetwalker]

They (Lab/Con/Lib) are all very much of the same.Career polititions who will take as much as they dare from our pockets to service their industry. The opposition always looks a little better than those in government but like you I fell we are well and truely stuffed whichever way we turn.

[Barry]

I am sorry to say I do not trust any politician.
However, I shall have to bring myself to vote for one party or another.

[The Silver Eagle]

If you believe in your Conservative ideals you hold close then YES.

What is Conservatism to you and to you do YOU believe it is whats right.
Do your research and explore yourself. That is what you must do. I am
Conservative because of that and I'm glad I explored open mindedly or
I would have been easily brainwashed as most are.

It's your concious Integrity that counts in this question.^^

[uncon]

I am sorry to say I do not trust any politician.

Spot On!

I don't trust anyone of them and neither should anyone else....when talk becomes action then I may change

[DC]

It seems to be an unfortunate trend of the modern era that nobody trusts politicians to represent the interests of the people. It merely seems people are voting on who's personal interests coincide with their own.

[misallot]

When was the last time anyone on this forum attended a local political meeting...if ever? If you go these days you'll find them all (from any party) sitting with their knitting or preparing for tomorrow's exam (the baby darlings). In my area at the last election...apart from the sitting mp... every candidate was under 30.

Democracy gives us a vote every few years, however, it also gives ANYONE the opportunity to participate. I become very concerned when I become involved in political matters because those around me appear to consider what I say as some kind of genius. It's just life experience and common sense.

My point is stop concerning ourselves as to whether these people are trustworthy or no....get involved and become 'one of them'....your local party will probably think you're a genius too

[Midas]

When was the last time anyone on this forum attended a local political meeting...if ever? If you go these days you'll find them all (from any party) sitting with their knitting or preparing for tomorrow's exam (the baby darlings). In my area at the last election...apart from the sitting mp... every candidate was under 30.

Democracy gives us a vote every few years, however, it also gives ANYONE the opportunity to participate. I become very concerned when I become involved in political matters because those around me appear to consider what I say as some kind of genius. It's just life experience and common sense.

My point is stop concerning ourselves as to whether these people are trustworthy or no....get involved and become 'one of them'....your local party will probably think you're a genius too

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[Tiffany]

Spot On!

I don't trust anyone of them and neither should anyone else....when talk becomes action then I may change

I want to trust them,thats why I voted for the Tories in the first place.
What is harming our party is why are the Conservative party putting forward people for local council elections who are involved with criminal activities such as Mr Stuart MacKay Surrey County Council,Chertsey South and Row Town district.It seems that some of the local residents know that Mr Stuart MacKay and his mother Linda Saunders formerly MacKay,16 Free Prai Road Chertsey have been recently investigated for fraud and false benefit claims.
Its general knowledge around the Chertsey area that this rogue Mr Stuart MacKay indicated he only had two years left before he was fully wheelchair bound,so he leapt the housing list and has now made a miracle recovery now he is in his new house 8 Harrow Close,Roakes Ave,Chertsey
If this is the case then it should be investigated by the local press and this person Stuart MacKay must stand down now before these local residents dismiss the pledge by David Cameron to clean up politics as a sham.
Runnymede Council results - Chertsey - Communities - Chertsey

[uncon]

I have a strange view when it comes to local councils - test them....often.

Your Mp has a larger area to cover, House issues and is not your social worker and should be the last resort, but your Local councillor is either a little bloody hitler out for what he/she can get or an absolute gem that you would want to take through to MP status. Test them!

Talk about everything that matters to you from street rubbish to allotments to where the kids go at night!

[Major Sinic]

Can we trust the Conservatives? They have been very poor in opposition so how on earth can we expect them to be a good or even fair government.

Like many I am sick of this government and they have stabbed the working men and women of this country in the back, they have been dishonest about everything from immigration to the war in Iraq.

Taking all this into account I feel if the Conservative had been in power things would have been far worse.

When my sons became of voting age and asked about who they should vote for I told them it is always a case of the best of a bad bunch.

Can we trust the Conservative to be better than Labour or are we stuffed between the devil and the deep blue sea?

They could hardly be more corrupt, more arrogant or more incompetent than Labour. Traditionally Labour get us into the brown stuff and the Tories get us out.

This time we have a progressive coalition, headed by the Conservatives and if nothing else we will learn what the future holds under proportional representation.

Another five years under Labour and Greece would have looked prosperous in comparison.

[uncon]

I have to say major I am always amazed when anyone remarks on the 'job of the opposition' Its a bloody waiting room or a pub where people meet and say what should be done with no bloody influence! how can you judge people for a job they haven't done based upon a totally different job? Hookit is being totally ridiculous particularly in assuming what 'might have been' when faced with what is now.

Interestingly because of the coalition, the opposition has a chance to be effective for once, but they are wasting the opportunity on in-fighting and harping on the same old cuts later policy which has been totally discredited

[manrow]

I have to say major I am always amazed when anyone remarks on the 'job of the opposition' Its a bloody waiting room or a pub where people meet and say what should be done with no bloody influence! how can you judge people for a job they haven't done based upon a totally different job? Hookit is being totally ridiculous particularly in assuming what 'might have been' when faced with what is now.

Interestingly because of the coalition, the opposition has a chance to be effective for once, but they are wasting the opportunity on in-fighting and harping on the same old cuts later policy which has been totally discredited

Lots of good sense there uncon! But you will never change the harping on of the Labour party.

[uncon]

now this interests me.
They did 'New Labour' and it was a hugely sucessful movement....the only problem was that 'new labour' was not labour and new labour got addicted to power itself...if anyone wants to doubt it then let them explain the measures employed by Mandy to win votes in key areas for labour that we all paid for (and civil servants demanded he write a note for because they disagreed) or the reduction in the PM's salary agreed by the outgoing PM who enjoyed the higher rate

They ditched their core supporters and their core values to get power....now they are going to have to go begging to those they happily deserted.

[Tiffany]

I have a strange view when it comes to local councils - test them....often.

Your Mp has a larger area to cover, House issues and is not your social worker and should be the last resort, but your Local councillor is either a little bloody hitler out for what he/she can get or an absolute gem that you would want to take through to MP status. Test them!

Talk about everything that matters to you from street rubbish to allotments to where the kids go at night!

I have always detested Labour with their MPs and Councillors with their heads so far in the trough it made me want to puke.
Thats why elected Tory Councillors for the Chertsey and Addlestone area such as this local village idiot Stuart MacKay will give the Tory party a bad name.I have been looking into this new Councillor and and as well as benefit fraud claims it seems that he was involved in a serious assault fracas involving the Police,he and a relation beat up some guys in a Woking Public house and these guys tried to run them off the road with their car.
How do we stand if his aspirations are to become a Conservative MP and Stuart MacKay is of dubious history.

[uncon]

To be honest I would be very careful about how you phrase yourself...was he convicted?

If you have serious doubts regarding your councillor and something concrete to say, I would actually suggest that you contact both the local conservative party and your MP there. Perhaps your local paper too? but I would be very wary of libel laws

[Major Sinic]

I have always detested Labour with their MPs and Councillors with their heads so far in the trough it made me want to puke.
Thats why elected Tory Councillors for the Chertsey and Addlestone area such as this local village idiot Stuart MacKay will give the Tory party a bad name.I have been looking into this new Councillor and and as well as benefit fraud claims it seems that he was involved in a serious assault fracas involving the Police,he and a relation beat up some guys in a Woking Public house and these guys tried to run them off the road with their car.
How do we stand if his aspirations are to become a Conservative MP and Stuart MacKay is of dubious history.

Do I detect an element of personal angst involved here? The bulk of your two posts seem to consist of, if you will forgive me unsubstantiated, allegations against this man.

[uncon]

Can I also suggest that you familiarise yourself with the rules here and maybe pop in the coffeeshop and introduce yourself.

(Not you sinic obviously!)

[Expounder]

Can we trust the Conservatives? I think that when you listen to Cameron and his boast of a newly reformed kid gloved all embracing Tory party, and then see him lauding it up on the steps of No.10 with the old witch Maggie I think you may have your answer.

Clegg and co are being willingly taken for ride by Cameron to soften up the country with platitudes of "we care and do feel for those who are hard working and will suffer" and "we're all in this together". The Libs, they are loving it, ministerial money, cars and grace and favour accommodation Cameron Clegg and company won't be in the brown stuff and any of Cameron's supporters who are whingeing about inheritance tax increases and other minor monetary losses won't be experiencing a loan sharks knock on the door that many of the rest in the country will suffer, they'll still be living the high life.

Cameron has taken on the deficit problem with great enthusiasm or should I say with almost glee, he will be able to do what Maggie Thatcher almost ended up doing in her term using the deficit excuse I bet he has invited the old crab to No.10 to glean a few ideas how to go about it.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/reade/

[uncon]

Can we trust the Conservatives? I think that when you listen to Cameron and his boast of a newly reformed kid gloved all embracing Tory party, and then see him lauding it up on the steps of No.10 with the old witch Maggie I think you may have your answer.

Clegg and co are being willingly taken for ride by Cameron to soften up the country with platitudes of "we care and do feel for those who are hard working and will suffer" and "we're all in this together". The Libs, they are loving it, ministerial money, cars and grace and favour accommodation Cameron Clegg and company won't be in the brown stuff and any of Cameron's supporters who are whingeing about inheritance tax increases and other minor monetary losses won't be experiencing a loan sharks knock on the door that many of the rest in the country will suffer, they'll still be living the high life.

Cameron has taken on the deficit problem with great enthusiasm or should I say with almost glee, he will be able to do what Maggie Thatcher almost ended up doing in her term using the deficit excuse I bet he has invited the old crab to No.10 to glean a few ideas how to go about it.

Brian Reade - News Columnists - Mirror.co.uk

I find your post absolutely incredible in the true sense of the word.

The labour party has been rejected and it's leader has left. The candidates for leadership are basically distancing themselves from labour government policies over the last 13 years and you are criticising a government for taking "on the deficit with great enthusiasm".

The phrase 'get your own house in order' springs to mind

[Tiffany]

I just want the new Tory Goverment to be tough but honest,I also want to see David Cameron recognise the need to lean to the right not take the Liberal way.My Husband is the owner of a fairground,he works hard and wants to give back into the community not take from it,thats why we cant abide rogues who scam from the ordinary local people.
We all have a living to make but so many Civil Servants leach of the communities when they least can afford it.

[Major Sinic]

Can we trust the Conservatives? I think that when you listen to Cameron and his boast of a newly reformed kid gloved all embracing Tory party, and then see him lauding it up on the steps of No.10 with the old witch Maggie I think you may have your answer.

Clegg and co are being willingly taken for ride by Cameron to soften up the country with platitudes of "we care and do feel for those who are hard working and will suffer" and "we're all in this together". The Libs, they are loving it, ministerial money, cars and grace and favour accommodation Cameron Clegg and company won't be in the brown stuff and any of Cameron's supporters who are whingeing about inheritance tax increases and other minor monetary losses won't be experiencing a loan sharks knock on the door that many of the rest in the country will suffer, they'll still be living the high life.

Cameron has taken on the deficit problem with great enthusiasm or should I say with almost glee, he will be able to do what Maggie Thatcher almost ended up doing in her term using the deficit excuse I bet he has invited the old crab to No.10 to glean a few ideas how to go about it.

Brian Reade - News Columnists - Mirror.co.uk

Expounder what are we do with you, you old bigot! If Mother Theresa herself was the Conservative Prime Minister you would still hurl your unsubstantiated venom at her.

You obviously need reminding that your erstwhile hero Gordon Brown also entertained Margaret Thatcher to tea at Number 10 not so very long ago. This great lady who saved the country from the bankruptcy Callaghan's Labour Government brought it to ( and here we are again!!) whilst overcoming the militant violence of Scargill and his bully boy miners, is as appropriate a guest of both a Labour and a Conservative Prime Minister as any I can think of.

It suits your ridiculous position to pretend that Nick Clegg, Vince Cable and the other leaders of the Liberal Democrat wing of our coalition government are vacuous, uninformed, incompetents seduced by the fripperies that come with their positions. No one with any objectivity, something you so obviously lack to even the smallest degree, would buy this. First of all they don't need the baubles of high office; they can afford them personally many times over, and secondly the actions of both Conservative and Liberal Democrat Ministers belie your unfounded accusations. What a truly pathetic assertion, devoid of evidence, to suggest that Cameron is viewing the problem of the massive deficit, created by the failed Labour government, with glee. I suspect he is viewing it not only with trepidation, but with relief that a government more concerned with the problems facing the country are measuring up to this huge challenge, rather than their corrupt, incompetent self-serving predecessors.

As Lord Myners, ex-Labour government minister, said in the Lords earlier this week, no government which spends so much more than it receives can legitimately describe itself as progressive. Just to be clear Expounder he was talking about Labour and its inadequate Prime Minister and Chancellor.

We now have a Liberal Conservative Coalition government, a truly progressive centre administration, led by grounded and competent politicians who are already demonstrating their commitment to turn around the economic and social nightmare created by Labour. Like most Labour lickspittles you lash out in blind fury at those with an opposing view, without pausing to examine why you failed so abjectly, or to consider what you might learn from your abysmal failure in government.

I realise that your verbal venom, lies and distortions will continue unabated, but I think that few will take your views any more seriously than they will Labour who are already proving to be an opposition joke, more concerned with jockeying for position in the leadership elections than making a contribution to government, albeit from the other side of the House.

[soloman]

Can we trust the Conservatives? I think that when you listen to Cameron and his boast of a newly reformed kid gloved all embracing Tory party, and then see him lauding it up on the steps of No.10 with the old witch Maggie I think you may have your answer.

Clegg and co are being willingly taken for ride by Cameron to soften up the country with platitudes of "we care and do feel for those who are hard working and will suffer" and "we're all in this together". The Libs, they are loving it, ministerial money, cars and grace and favour accommodation Cameron Clegg and company won't be in the brown stuff and any of Cameron's supporters who are whingeing about inheritance tax increases and other minor monetary losses won't be experiencing a loan sharks knock on the door that many of the rest in the country will suffer, they'll still be living the high life.

Cameron has taken on the deficit problem with great enthusiasm or should I say with almost glee, he will be able to do what Maggie Thatcher almost ended up doing in her term using the deficit excuse I bet he has invited the old crab to No.10 to glean a few ideas how to go about it.

Brian Reade - News Columnists - Mirror.co.uk

The new government will prove that dismal forecast absolute nonsense. Try reading a more responsible newspaper. Whatever happens we will ALL be much better off than suffering any more time under the rule of the useless socialists; they have always left the economy in a mess when finally removed from power.

[Major Sinic]

I just want the new Tory Goverment to be tough but honest,I also want to see David Cameron recognise the need to lean to the right not take the Liberal way.My Husband is the owner of a fairground,he works hard and wants to give back into the community not take from it,thats why we cant abide rogues who scam from the ordinary local people.
We all have a living to make but so many Civil Servants leach of the communities when they least can afford it.

I would echo your expressed desire for a tough but honest government. However don't make the error of believing that the Conservative senior partner in this coalition can avoid compromising on some of its more right wing policies. Coalition government is all about consensus, compromise and pragmatism and provided both political partners in this Liberal Conservative Coalition remain committed to jointly resolving the immensely challenging economic and social problems facing Britain we have every chance of having the most honest and tough government we have experienced for around eighteen years.

[soloman]

What a great performance by David Cameron in Afghanistan! Doubling the troops allowances while abroad is a start, even if loads of our population at home receive more for doing nothing and not endangering themselves?

[Expounder]

Expounder what are we do with you, you old bigot! If Mother Theresa herself was the Conservative Prime Minister you would still hurl your unsubstantiated venom at her.

You obviously need reminding that your erstwhile hero Gordon Brown also entertained Margaret Thatcher to tea at Number 10 not so very long ago. This great lady who saved the country from the bankruptcy Callaghan's Labour Government brought it to ( and here we are again!!) whilst overcoming the militant violence of Scargill and his bully boy miners, is as appropriate a guest of both a Labour and a Conservative Prime Minister as any I can think of.

It suits your ridiculous position to pretend that Nick Clegg, Vince Cable and the other leaders of the Liberal Democrat wing of our coalition government are vacuous, uninformed, incompetents seduced by the fripperies that come with their positions. No one with any objectivity, something you so obviously lack to even the smallest degree, would buy this. First of all they don't need the baubles of high office; they can afford them personally many times over, and secondly the actions of both Conservative and Liberal Democrat Ministers belie your unfounded accusations. What a truly pathetic assertion, devoid of evidence, to suggest that Cameron is viewing the problem of the massive deficit, created by the failed Labour government, with glee. I suspect he is viewing it not only with trepidation, but with relief that a government more concerned with the problems facing the country are measuring up to this huge challenge, rather than their corrupt, incompetent self-serving predecessors.

As Lord Myners, ex-Labour government minister, said in the Lords earlier this week, no government which spends so much more than it receives can legitimately describe itself as progressive. Just to be clear Expounder he was talking about Labour and its inadequate Prime Minister and Chancellor.

We now have a Liberal Conservative Coalition government, a truly progressive centre administration, led by grounded and competent politicians who are already demonstrating their commitment to turn around the economic and social nightmare created by Labour. Like most Labour lickspittles you lash out in blind fury at those with an opposing view, without pausing to examine why you failed so abjectly, or to consider what you might learn from your abysmal failure in government.

I realise that your verbal venom, lies and distortions will continue unabated, but I think that few will take your views any more seriously than they will Labour who are already proving to be an opposition joke, more concerned with jockeying for position in the leadership elections than making a contribution to government, albeit from the other side of the House.

I repeat which you choose to ignore, every major economy in the world is in the same position as Britain they all suffered from the crooked gambling free market. You go on about Labour and Brown as through they caused the world monetary crisis which was caused primarily by your friends the crooked dealers and bankers and American Sub Prime mortgages [which were the main factor in tipping the world into financial chaos] but you're having none of it. Our own banks' along with most banks in the western democracies where also inviting all in sundry to borrow as much as they liked I regularly received blank cheques in the post from my bank inviting me to just fill in the amount I want and spend it. So don't lay the world crisis on Brown and Labour.

Even if he were prudent and tried to control the British financial system more, the rest of the world would have continued to be profligate and the result would have been the same. I'm sure your friends in the banks and financial system in Britain would have been complaining to [wise after the event wonder boy Cameron] who no doubt would have been on Browns back for holding back British business interests. By being in opposition during the high spending period Cameron has the best of both worlds, he never complained or warned the country about British profligacy at the time, which shows he is just a total Tory opportunist.

I can see that I am now arguing on the forum against a sea of blue, it's now a 99% center right wing+extreme right wing site
I think that those who left the forum who had left wing or different views to the Tory money machine probably have a point.

I'm not sure, but I think I'm the last man standing opposing outright the Con-Dem coalition. The point I was making is that Cameron and Co, have Carte Blanche to not only to reduce the deficit but to use it as cover to force through Thatcherite policies which are in the interests of moneyed elite in Britain.

You see you and others on the forum and in the Tory party see politics through dollar sign binoculars, and all you care about is your own personal financial future and you see the Tories as the ones to protect this at the expense of ordinary people.

Every one knows that cuts had to made and Labour would have had to do the same, but with the Tories there is another dimension, a hidden agenda, apart from repaying the debt, they are now also in total financial control which is manna from heaven for Tories like yourself.

I'm not sure whether in the circumstances it's worth continuing a pointless debates on a forum which consists of self congratulatory back slapping Tories and and their anonymous friends who snipe keeping their heads below the parapet.

[Scooter]

Can we trust any political party anymore?
A real change is needed but dosnt exist.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Can we trust any political party anymore?
A real change is needed but dosnt exist.

Hi,

well done - you have hit the nail on the head Party politics is the problem NOT the solution.

Decentralise power, scrap Parties and have Independent representatives at different levels working in Alliance.

Leave-the-EU as the bonding fabric of the INDEPENDENT Alliance - if they are too stupid to see the malign activity, massive costs and dangerous behaviour of the EU then there really is no place for them in politics they will be just like the 640 Parasites from Parties we have now voting endlessly for more Gravy on their Train.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Midas]

Hi,

well done - you have hit the nail on the head Party politics is the problem NOT the solution.

Decentralise power, scrap Parties and have Independent representatives at different levels working in Alliance.

Leave-the-EU as the bonding fabric of the INDEPENDENT Alliance - if they are too stupid to see the malign activity, massive costs and dangerous behaviour of the EU then there really is no place for them in politics they will be just like the 640 Parasites from Parties we have now voting endlessly for more Gravy on their Train.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

I don't believe you can scrap political parties, or even if you could, that it would be a wise move. We have enough of a problem reaching a consensus of opinion with just three main political parties; imagine the chaos if instead we had several hundred independent MPs, each with different views and opinions on what should be done and how it should be done, and each one still wanting Gravy on his Train!

Certainly party politics can be detrimental to government as they can frequently put the adherence to policies based on politically biased belief over and above what is in the best interests of the country as a whole, however with a government elected using true proportional representation but with party politics removed from the legislative stages of policy implementation, 99% of this bias will go and we'd find laws being made and changed in the best interests of everyone, not just in the interest of a small group of people.

[Major Sinic]

Can we trust any political party anymore?
A real change is needed but dosnt exist.

Four weeks into a new government and you make such an observation. My own view is that all the early signs indicate that we have a government determined to govern in an open and transparent way, committed to restoring the economic fortunes of Britain and demonstrative of a principled and honest approach. They get my support and I give them the benefit of the doubt until and unless they betray it.

[Major Sinic]

Hi,

well done - you have hit the nail on the head Party politics is the problem NOT the solution.

Decentralise power, scrap Parties and have Independent representatives at different levels working in Alliance.

Leave-the-EU as the bonding fabric of the INDEPENDENT Alliance - if they are too stupid to see the malign activity, massive costs and dangerous behaviour of the EU then there really is no place for them in politics they will be just like the 640 Parasites from Parties we have now voting endlessly for more Gravy on their Train.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

It is not realistic to expect cohesive government from a mass of independents. As you say they would have to form alliances, and having formed alliance's they would need to introduce guidelines and procedures in an attempt to enable the alliance to function, and having introduced these they would give themselves a name so that the electorate could identify them. By this time you have a party.

Certainly we need electoral reform in this country in order to improve our democratic processes, but a plethora of single issue fanatics, not unlike the OP, would I suspect result in parliamentary gridlock, ineffective and distorted government.

[AMGINGLES]

Good morning , Unfortunatly in this country we have party politics. Which is very corruptable. Look at David Cameron , he was groomed straight from Oxford to be the next Prime Minister. His foot up the ladder (granted him by special interest no less) was when he was appointed special advisor to Norman Lamont. We are living in a country where the party system offers only the illusion of democracy. Who decides who becomes senior in the party , is it the people or the wealthy donors and special interest?
I have not seen a mention of the Bilderberg group in this forum at all , many of you probibly havent even heard of it. Please look up BILDERBERG on wikipedia. These are the special interest people who run this country for their profit.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

Maj & Midas I'm not trying to be impudent but consider: 'Is that what they taught you'?

May isuggest it is time to reconsider and reinvent because Party politics in a mass communication age is quite clearly idiocy.

We arer only a couple of electronic jerks from daily live stream voting for political issues.

Here we are still being misruled and betrayed by 18th. Century Party concepts, with 19th.C party morays, with 20th. C Party methods, trying to solve the cock-ups of 21st. C Party failures.

Start out by removing the Party.

Look at the instant betrayal of the clowns in there now.

Wee Osborne with no experience, Boy Dave with no skills, Nick Clegg with no votes.

But all prepared to prostitute themselves, their Party and their principles for a sniff of power.

I believe we CAN make the INDEPENDENT Alliance concept work with decentralisation, referenda, local voting and much more.

It will work for those who seek solutions but not for those who can find endless reasons not to try!

Clearly a try is better than the same old failed Party model failures, with no vision, no vvalues just greed.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[The Silver Eagle]

Good morning , Unfortunatly in this country we have party politics. Which is very corruptable. Look at David Cameron , he was groomed straight from Oxford to be the next Prime Minister. His foot up the ladder (granted him by special interest no less) was when he was appointed special advisor to Norman Lamont. We are living in a country where the party system offers only the illusion of democracy. Who decides who becomes senior in the party , is it the people or the wealthy donors and special interest?
I have not seen a mention of the Bilderberg group in this forum at all , many of you probibly havent even heard of it. Please look up BILDERBERG on wikipedia. These are the special interest people who run this country for their profit.

I thought getting rid of Gordon Brown was a relief...

[Midas]

I thought getting rid of Gordon Brown was a relief...

It was, a huge one!

But on one thing if on nothing else, AMGINGLES is right, party politics are very corruptible and almost inevitably lead to policies being introduced and laws being made which are for the benefit of the current party in power alone, and are seen by many as a little more than vote-buying for the next election. The to and fro from one party to another is hugely wasteful of time, money and resources and will never lead to really long term planning. The only way that we'll get rid of those issues is to have true proportional representation, a permanent all-party coalition government and a totally non-partisan legislative process.

Can we trust the Conservatives though? As much as I trust any political party, I'd trust them a great deal more than I'd trust the incompetent and inept Labour party!!

[AMGINGLES]

Well said greg the party system should be scrapped , all mps should be independant. The Bilderbergers would probibly just bribe the independant mps anyway like they do with the party ones today.
I think the Irish parliament of 1800s is a good comparison of our parliament today. None of the irish mps wanted the union (as no one wants the eu today) but all were simply given enough money to make it worth their while , then they could simply retire when they are voted out. That is historical fact not a conspiracy.

[uncon]

Well said greg the party system should be scrapped , all mps should be independant. The Bilderbergers would probibly just bribe the independant mps anyway like they do with the party ones today.
I think the Irish parliament of 1800s is a good comparison of our parliament today. None of the irish mps wanted the union (as no one wants the eu today) but all were simply given enough money to make it worth their while , then they could simply retire when they are voted out. That is historical fact not a conspiracy.

So no consensus in times of financial crisis would be a good thing?

How? Lets remember we as a country owe money...seriously big money and if we can't keep up our payments and look like a good bet then our debt can triple in less than two years according to the FT.

It would be the equivelant of having to borrow from a man on the doorstep in order to pay the latest payment of our low rate credit cards.

[Tiffany]

What I want is to scrap more integration with the EU,scrap all imigration unless imigrants bring wealth or specialist services to the UK,which does not include fraud and the like.Scrap most of the Health and Safety red tape which includes myself being able to stand on my stepladder without help from the man with a bright flourescent jacket on,hard hat and insurance dissclaimer in one hand while holding the bottom rung.
For David Cameron to pick up the phone and tell Barrack Obama to shut up and place his negative,biased,agenda about the UK back into his families history book,and to lay off bully boy tactics towards one of the worlds principal companies BP,in which I see Obama and his US cronies leading towards a takeover of BP.
Even thou I like you David Cameron,show some guts and stick up for British companies and its hard pressed citizens.
Then we may begin to trust the Tories in standing up for England.

[soloman]

What I want is to scrap more integration with the EU,scrap all imigration unless imigrants bring wealth or specialist services to the UK,which does not include fraud and the like.Scrap most of the Health and Safety red tape which includes myself being able to stand on my stepladder without help from the man with a bright flourescent jacket on,hard hat and insurance dissclaimer in one hand while holding the bottom rung.
For David Cameron to pick up the phone and tell Barrack Obama to shut up and place his negative,biased,agenda about the UK back into his families history book,and to lay off bully boy tactics towards one of the worlds principal companies BP,in which I see Obama and his US cronies leading towards a takeover of BP.
Even thou I like you David Cameron,show some guts and stick up for British companies and its hard pressed citizens.
Then we may begin to trust the Tories in standing up for England.

Be realistic, no British PM can pick the phone up and dictate anything! Please accept that USA is big enough to reject any little minnows efforts to change things!
You are however right that America will use any tactics to buy some real estate cheaply and that applies to BP; but we are not near that yet.
David Cameron is right to avoid the invite to a fight by a US President keen to provoke. BP is acting thoroughly responsibly regardless of whatever Obama says.
If this were an American company involved the rhetoric would never have started?