I have known plenty of people who have left Rhodesia and South Africa... they will tell you it's because the blacks f**ked their country up (and yes, they tend to be fairly racist).

I know one guy who is Indian and was in the police. And being of that race, his status reflected this, he was middle ranking.
I believe his experience at the end of apartheid could be a fair representation. They offered money to the white officers to leave the service... the corrupt ones didn't take the money because it wasn't close to what they could make through corruption. The good white officers, knowing what was coming, left. In order to fill the gaps, they promoted black policeman from the lower ranks... putting them straight into a culture of corruption, and bypassing the Indians in the middle ranks, many of whom decided that enough was enough and left.
Furthermore, the elite police forces (of which my friend was a part) had dedicated themselves to counter terrorism against SWAPO and MK-ANC, so they weren't exactly in favour with the change of regime.

Corruption has been the bain of the whole continent, but this isn't back door colonialism, certainly not part of a new world order conspiracy. When economic imperialism does take place, it's pretty obvious... and yes, it is the Americans for the most part.

You should have seen the report that was on Newsnight last night about Sierra Leone. It would have given you a slightly different perspective on European relations with former colonies.

I keep wondering what it must be like to live in a world, consisting, almost entirely, of conspiracy theories. Might make for some decent novel plots, if one had a modicum of talent for writing - at minimum a bit more than Dan Brown.

Thankyou don , I guess some times truth really is stranger than fiction.

Rizla , I wish I could help you man , you just cant see , its red hot tyranny right under your nose. It would be difficult to believe the nazis would team up with stalin to invade poland , but it happened , Its difficult to believe the US navy have weather weapons , but they do , The only difference between now and the 1800s is they are better at lying to us and we drink flouride. well you drink flouride ( I dont drink tap water its spring water for me) I did a thing at work where they get you to innovate by thinking of the opposits of things ,start thinking what the world would be like if there was a NWO. Do you not wonder why bilderberg is never on the news?

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Thankyou don , I guess some times truth really is stranger than fiction.

Its difficult to believe the US navy have weather weapons , but they do ,

Everyone knows this is TRUE!!! How the hell else would George Bush have been able to steer hurricane Katrina directly toward New Orleans with such precision. I vote we move this out of the conspiracy section directly into the Unvarnished Truth forum. Mods, please help!

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

I suggest the British and Americans supported the end of aparteid so they could install their own corrupt black puppet government.

The complete lack of protection for the withdrawing white farmers in South Africa and the former Rhodesia (except the old boys network in joberg) suggests an utter void in morality with the Anglo American NWO.

3000 men women and children were tortured , murdered and raped in the ensuing years. This gets very little attention in the corperate media although they do have some specialist shows ( so you detacth it with reality , they have shows about ufos )

not to mention most blacks are worse off and many have died as a result of gang violence , police shootings , aids ( courtesy of the rockefellers)

The only people who are better off are the Anglo american mining companies and huge anglo australian winers. When you remember these companies are part owned by the banks who are part owned by the powerful lords and polititions both side of the atlantic it becomes clear whats going on.

The anglo americans even allow a world cup in south africa to show off their new model society. Ofcourse with the assistance of thousands of mercenairies.

South Africa is not the only country that has been coca-colonized , the NWO has been using a combination of the world bank and corrupt polititions who will take loans against the public interest for backhanders.
(similar to private finance initiatives in the UK)

I ask you not to rubbish this conspiracy theory before researching it. Thankyou.
If you look at some areas of london , they are quite like south africa , there has even been a spate of african style gangrapes in the uk.

The new world order uses criminals to control society , they have you all ways , If you are a decent man or woman , you are a communist , the media is against you , the police are after you , the local gang leader will kill you if you get too smart with your campaigning for womens rights or whatever the puppet government doesnt want.

Why don't you provide credible sources as evidence to support your conspiracy theories? Note the operative word 'credible'. When I am providing facts, and your post purports to be fact, I provide information sources in evidence of those facts. When I am providing my personal opinion I endeavour to provide the basis or rationale for that opinion, again supported by facts where appropriate. Until you do the same, I will continue to consider you somebody whose link with reality is at best tenuous, and whose opinions have little value.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Do you not wonder why bilderberg is never on the news?

Err, no. Perhaps it's because the group really is just what it says it is and is therefore not newsworthy?

No our elected leaders deciding policy with big business instead of debating openly is not news worthy.
weather weapons . UN 1976 Weather Weapon Treaty if weather weapons didnt excist why would they make a treaty prohibitting their offensive use?mmmmmm a speculative treaty I suppose , maybe we should ban laser guns from space , oh wait they have those too.

Can you please keep to the subject matter of this thread.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

No our elected leaders deciding policy with big business instead of debating openly is not news worthy.
weather weapons . UN 1976 Weather Weapon Treaty if weather weapons didnt excist why would they make a treaty prohibitting their offensive use?mmmmmm a speculative treaty I suppose , maybe we should ban laser guns from space , oh wait they have those too.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

No our elected leaders deciding policy with big business instead of debating openly is not news worthy.
weather weapons . UN 1976 Weather Weapon Treaty if weather weapons didnt excist why would they make a treaty prohibitting their offensive use?mmmmmm a speculative treaty I suppose , maybe we should ban laser guns from space , oh wait they have those too.

Perhaps if you read your own source material a little more carefully you would have spotted the following clause providing some rationale to the purpose of the treaty:

'Recognising that new scientific and technical advances may open new possibilities with respect to modification of the environment'

So yes, you are probably right; a speculative treaty!

As I have said before you conspiracy theorists adopt a seed of truth, wrap it in a manure of fantasy and hope it will grow. Thus western mining companies, with the know how and investment to maximise mineral resources, negotiating mineral rights with third party nations suddenly becomes some attempt by shadowy omnipotent capitalists to dominate the world, no doubt using laser guns from out space. I expect you think the Americans laid on the Tsunami to damage southern Asia.

Originally Posted by Rizla

I have known plenty of people who have left Rhodesia and South Africa... they will tell you it's because the blacks f**ked their country up (and yes, they tend to be fairly racist).

From my own dealings in Africa, which I have to admit are fairly limited, certainly when we're talking of sub-Saharan Africa, and more so from seeing masses of third party data, I really don't believe it is racist to point out the very plain fact that since black Africans took charge of their own countries after independence from being mainly British, French, Belgian and Portuguese colonies, their economies and general social and physical infrastructures have suffered greatly.

South Africa is perhaps an exception because during apartheid (especially in the mid to late 1980s) so much of the country's GDP was being spent by Botha on maintaining the tribal homelands and on enforcing separation, that any change was beneficial. Added to that of course, the vast majority of the country's industrial wealth was still under white control and was thus running far more efficiently than its black-African run equivalents elsewhere, and that reason has nothing whatsoever to do with conspiracy theories about a new world order or whatever you want to call it.

Well we already know it is possible to induce rainfall by cloud seeding ( DAWN.COM | Sci-Tech | Mumbai considers cloud seeding to make it rain ) This could be adapted to be used as a weapon.

Neocolonialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and I think my comments about post colonial economic colonization or neocolonization are pretty mainstream.

I would say, in general, the end of the colonial era and rush for independance has not been beneficial to those under colonial rule, and in many cases harmful. IMO many of today's 'free' nations would in fact benefit from being recolonised by Western nations. And I think that is the only real solution to poverty and famines in many poor countries. In regards to both Zimbabwe and SA, both can now be classified as Apartheid states, and with the exception of the removal of racist policies under the first apartheid in SA, have not benefited from this resurgence in black nationalism.

DC (fascist) Yes that is correct , because most of these governments have been put in place by the very western nations that left. The Brits only leave if they have a puppet government in place, see my conspiracies thread.

Originally Posted by Midas

From my own dealings in Africa, which I have to admit are fairly limited, certainly when we're talking of sub-Saharan Africa, and more so from seeing masses of third party data, I really don't believe it is racist to point out the very plain fact that since black Africans took charge of their own countries after independence from being mainly British, French, Belgian and Portuguese colonies, their economies and general social and physical infrastructures have suffered greatly..

Quite right many have suffered an yet The Bankers still do nothing to stop the suffering of nations anyone would think thay intend it to continue too.As their is nothing more powerfully than Giving someone assistance then having the power to take it away again, after all you have to give them something for the loan collateral for instance,Don't that include land and the people as the bankers treat the people as commodities these days??

Originally Posted by Midas

Added to that of course, the vast majority of the country's industrial wealth was still under white control and was thus running far more efficiently than its black-African run equivalents elsewhere, .

I think you will find most of the major share holders will be banker's.all the Major private company's have now gone or been sold of again to Bankers,It.s not hard to believe if the banker that wield the power to drive a company into a particular direction as thay either withdraw the funding and Bankrupt a company and then fund the new company to do it's bidding for them.or it to hard for people to comprehend ???

Originally Posted by Midas

that reason has nothing whatsoever to do with conspiracy theories about a new world order or whatever you want to call it.

There is plenty of reasons to believe that the new world order is no longer conspiracy just look at my post Linked below and their is a saying that the truth is stranger than fiction,

http://www.politic.co.uk/the-other-p...order-now.html

A Central bank in the hands of private investors is just a method of enforcing wage slavery and debt slavery on people. Get people in debt , Wipe out national monetary reserves by paying government members to invest in worthless derivatives (like what happened with our councis)and then paying off governments to take loans against the public interest , money which will be spent giving contracts to insiders and paying off dodgy PFIs. This is the new way of invading a country.

Many countries have fallen to this. here are a few examples where land is actually being sold (to wealthy benefactors of these scams) to pay of debt where money has been borrowed to buy worthless derivatives (not even pay for insider contracts that have limited benefits)
Greece selling islands to pay debt

Stockopedia | Stock Market Research Network

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

A Central bank in the hands of private investors is just a method of enforcing wage slavery and debt slavery on people. Get people in debt , Wipe out national monetary reserves by paying government members to invest in worthless derivatives (like what happened with our councis)and then paying off governments to take loans against the public interest , money which will be spent giving contracts to insiders and paying off dodgy PFIs. This is the new way of invading a country.

Many countries have fallen to this. here are a few examples where land is actually being sold (to wealthy benefactors of these scams) to pay of debt where money has been borrowed to buy worthless derivatives (not even pay for insider contracts that have limited benefits)
Greece selling islands to pay debt

Stockopedia | Stock Market Research Network

AMGINGLES, you can dream up conspiracy theories about just anything if you want to; I prefer to deal with more pertinent facts than you have produced so far.

The obvious remarks have already been made by others on this thread, that no country in Africa has succeeded to provide stable economic growth once the 'colonial rule' has ended.

Originally Posted by soloman

The obvious remarks have already been made by others on this thread, that no country in Africa has succeeded to provide stable economic growth once the 'colonial rule' has ended.

Which, obviously, begs the question; did the Colonial powers, whether knowingly or not, set up these countries to fail by not better providing them the means to succeed prior to cutting them loose? I think yes.

Originally Posted by Don

Which, obviously, begs the question; did the Colonial powers, whether knowingly or not, set up these countries to fail by not better providing them the means to succeed prior to cutting them loose? I think yes.

I have to disagree with you on this topic. In most instances the final demands for independence came quite quickly, although dissatisfaction with colonial rule had obviously been growing for years, and certainly as far as I'm aware of the countries and their complete colonially developed infrastructures (both physical and social) were handed over to the new governments intact and fully functioning. The major problem was that these newly independent African states wanted to get rid of what they saw as their 'white oppressors' as quickly as possible and virtually all of them refused offers for many of the white civil servants to stay on as advisers to provide their expertise. Black Africans have been shown time and time again to have a lower ability than their white equivalents, and it's this, coupled with a determination to 'do it their way' that lead to the failure of so many African countries. You can see microcosms of this scattered right across Africa where formerly white owned and run businesses were handed over to the Africans only to fall into ruin, in some cases within months.

Yes Solomon the empire builders just gave up and left altogether and the Africans just "mismanaged" their economy just like the poor bankers who stole our council tax money. Believe that if you like.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Yes Solomon the empire builders just gave up and left altogether and the Africans just "mismanaged" their economy just like the poor bankers who stole our council tax money. Believe that if you like.

You need to read the words below from Midas just 12 minutes before you posted on this thread where he explains the situation in a much more believable manner!

That would suggest you are not reading and absorbing the very sensible views of others!

Originally Posted by Midas

I have to disagree with you on this topic. In most instances the final demands for independence came quite quickly, although dissatisfaction with colonial rule had obviously been growing for years, and certainly as far as I'm aware of the countries and their complete colonially developed infrastructures (both physical and social) were handed over to the new governments intact and fully functioning.

And certainly an enlightened colonial power (read oppressor/exploiter) would have been able to see the writing on the wall and prepare for the inevitable, years in advance, by carefully selecting and training indigenous peoples, over time, to take over the reins. In hindsight, that approach would have been better for all concerned.

The major problem was that these newly independent African states wanted to get rid of what they saw as their 'white oppressors'

I wonder where they got that idea? Silly people, just don't recognize their 'benevolent benefactors' when they see them.

as quickly as possible and virtually all of them refused offers for many of the white civil servants to stay on as advisers to provide their expertise.

Which they should have done well in advance instead of denying the inevitable

Black Africans have been shown time and time again to have a lower ability than their white equivalents,

Is this opinion of their 'lower ability' reserved strictly for "Black Africans" or does it apply to all Blacks?

and it's this, coupled with a determination to 'do it their way' that lead to the failure of so many African countries. You can see microcosms of this scattered right across Africa where formerly white owned and run businesses were handed over to the Africans only to fall into ruin, in some cases within months.

Again when people are set up for failure, through lack of being properly trained and prepared, failure usually results

In regards to what Midas has said about blacks being of lower ability , It was true in the sense of South africa and rhodesia at the time , the whites could afford to go to agricultural college , while the blacks had to work to support their families. I effect the system before suppressed the ability of the blacks to be educated rather than as midas seems to suggest they were of below average ability despite having educational oppurtunities.

Were the british left a round table everything went well ( usually predominantly white countries ie australia , canada etc ) were they didnt ie rhodesia , kenya etc it went tits up into slavery ( usually blacks) I guess its the new world model.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iRHbBiHuuA

Originally Posted by Don

And certainly an enlightened colonial power (read oppressor/exploiter) would have been able to see the writing on the wall and prepare for the inevitable, years in advance, by carefully selecting and training indigenous peoples, over time, to take over the reins. In hindsight, that approach would have been better for all concerned.

But is it up to a colonial power which knows that it's going to be effectively kicked out of a country to make that provision, or should it be up to the country which wants independence to make its own arrangements to ensure the smooth running of it's own people in the future? I'd say it's very much the latter.

I wonder where they got that idea? Silly people, just don't recognize their 'benevolent benefactors' when they see them.

How many countries are there which didn't benefit massively from the advances in technology, farming and society generally during their colonial periods? Granted there were some disgraceful episodes during that period - in retrospect at least - however when you consider the country as a whole, the changes were very much on the positive side.

Which they should have done well in advance instead of denying the inevitable

I'm not sure what you mean; who should have done what? The offers of continuing assistance and guidance were made but refused, something that's hardly the colonial powers' fault.

Is this opinion of their 'lower ability' reserved strictly for "Black Africans" or does it apply to all Blacks?

As I'm sure you know, there are quite distinct divisions of intelligence and ability between various cultures right round the world, but in general black sub-Saharan Africans fall in the lower end of that scale.

Again when people are set up for failure, through lack of being properly trained and prepared, failure usually results

Hardly. You seriously think that those who run and manage anything from a single manufacturing plant to a country deliberately fail to train their successors as best they are able, especially when it's going to be to their own financial/political detriment? The saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink" springs very much to mind when it comes to most third world countries. Most of those countries which were former colonies have had several decades in which to catch up and develop, but what's happened in the majority of cases - exactly the opposite. All it seems that 100/150 years of colonial rule did for many third world countries, particularly in Africa, was give them more technologically advanced ways to destroy their own countries and to kill each other once they were 'free' to do so.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

In regards to what Midas has said about blacks being of lower ability , It was true in the sense of South africa and rhodesia at the time , the whites could afford to go to agricultural college , while the blacks had to work to support their families. I effect the system before suppressed the ability of the blacks to be educated rather than as midas seems to suggest they were of below average ability despite having educational oppurtunities.

Were the british left a round table everything went well ( usually predominantly white countries ie australia , canada etc ) were they didnt ie rhodesia , kenya etc it went tits up into slavery ( usually blacks) I guess its the new world model.

YouTube - Cecil Rhodes & The Round Table Group

No no we don't condone slavery in the new world order, we condone exploitation instead, it's cheaper.

The British left the colonies according to their own agenda usually with a well rehearsed social and economic scorched earth policy and empowered puppet warlords. (Do you think the British and americans would allow a country to become communist?nope , so install a warlord.) They also left behind an array of eugenics doctors posing as charity doctors.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

The British left the colonies according to their own agenda usually with a well rehearsed social and economic scorched earth policy and empowered puppet warlords. (Do you think the British and americans would allow a country to become communist?nope , so install a warlord.) They also left behind an array of eugenics doctors posing as charity doctors.

I find your mindless postings incredibly boring, especially as you clearly don't read or understand the opinions of others. The whole point of forum is that you are welcome to make your own opinion clear, but the debate stagnates as soon as anyone keeps on quoting the same ridiculous nonsensical rubbish which is where I believe you are AMGINGLES.

Note that a post earlier made the same point and you didn't heed it:-
You need to read the words below from Midas just 12 minutes before you posted on this thread where he explains the situation in a much more believable manner!

That would suggest you are not reading and absorbing the very sensible views of others!

You need to read the words below from Midas just 12 minutes before you posted on this thread where he explains the situation in a much more believable manner!

That would suggest you are not reading and absorbing the very sensible views of others!

I don't intend to post again on this subject as it wastes my time on an inappropriate purpose; we only have so long on this planet, and I have so much positive energy which I wiill dispense in another direction. I suggest you do the same.

Originally Posted by soloman

I find your mindless postings incredibly boring, especially as you clearly don't read or understand the opinions of others. The whole point of forum is that you are welcome to make your own opinion clear, but the debate stagnates as soon as anyone keeps on quoting the same ridiculous nonsensical rubbish which is where I believe you are AMGINGLES..

I'm sorry soloman even if you do have a point about AMGINGLES you do contradict yourself on what a debate is. Perhaps you can bring some new information to the debate to prove him wrong or just bring your Knowlege to the debate, Ah! so that's it is it you have nothing new, and no knowlege of this thread well that's no surprise now is it??? .

Thats the trouble soloman if you can prove me wrong and I am wrong I will be greatful , I have researched it , talked to people from Kenya , south Africa , india etc especially in work about it and they agree the british deliberatly left puppet dictatorships. People don't argue with my points they just call them conspiracy theories , even if they are not. Whos the extremist here midas is supporting hitlers race psudoscience by saying sub saharan blacks are inherently dim.

Maybe that shines a light on the secret attitudes of " conservatives " in this country. Now they are running it.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Thats the trouble soloman if you can prove me wrong and I am wrong I will be greatful , I have researched it , talked to people from Kenya , south Africa , india etc especially in work about it and they agree the british deliberatly left puppet dictatorships. People don't argue with my points they just call them conspiracy theories , even if they are not. Whos the extremist here midas is supporting hitlers race psudoscience by saying sub saharan blacks are inherently dim.

Maybe that shines a light on the secret attitudes of " conservatives " in this country. Now they are running it.

I think everyone here would appreciate some evidence of all your claims rather than constant vague references which don't have any factual substance behind them.

Originally Posted by Midas

I think everyone here would appreciate some evidence of all your claims rather than constant vague references which don't have any factual substance behind them.

I agree. I'm starting to overlook your posts AMGIGGlES as they just seem to be disjointed comments to propagate your beliefs in a new world order etc... There have been several threads started in the conspiracy section that you can rant and rave all you want about it. But in the rest of the forum i'd like to actually talk about the issues at hand instead of being directed to yet another riveting youtube video on yet another conspiracy.

Its sad you guys dont research your history properly , because you havent bothered I have taken the time to find you the wikipedia on post colonial round table groups , something you have never heard of and call a conspiracy IM SURE.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Its sad you guys dont research your history properly , because you havent bothered I have taken the time to find you the wikipedia on post colonial round table groups , something you have never heard of and call a conspiracy IM SURE.

Hi,

it is a pity you haven't researched your history atall you have merely swallowed Wiki as if it was accurate and valid.

I KNOW many of the countries you are making a fool of yourself telling me about.

I presume you are either very young or very inexperienced as your history and understanding of colonialism is so sadly wrong it would be funny if you didn't have such a chip on your shoulder.

Try a couple of years of serious travel - it just might show you what is going on around you!

I don't think Wiki does travel agency work so you may need to 'phone a friend'.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Cheers for the advice Greg , again you are just saying im making a fool out of myself but you have not presented an alternative which is lazy , yeah Im 22 but well traveled although I havent been to SA my family lived there before I was born.

Hi,

yes I believe you are making a fool of yourself - read more say less!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

At least , you are practising what you preach as you have not yet brought a countering argument to the table.

Can we please get back to discussing the topic in question, not just resort to personal attacks.

Originally Posted by Midas

Can we please get back to discussing the topic in question, not just resort to personal attacks.

Hi,

may we then expect informed debate rather than cut and paste inspired prejudice?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Here is some info for you exploitation deniers , the blacks are lazy and stupid , its nothing to do with the sweet mining companies , those lazy blacks slaving down the mines. Its ok though because the ones over here are treated well as long as they drive down the price of labour , we're all the same aren't we?
Corruption runs deep in gold mines of Congo - Telegraph

Is it passable to get on topic and get back to the point.??? so lets see, lets ignore the British Empire as there is worse things than us lets, look at China in Africa and indeed India which is a more pressing subject. I just wonder who will provide the evidence to prove how lucky India and Africa was under British rule???

The new world order uses criminals to control society , they have you all ways , If you are a decent man or woman , you are a communist , the media is against you , the police are after you , the local gang leader will kill you if you get too smart with your campaigning for womens rights or whatever the puppet government doesnt want.

Same here in the United States of America for this last paragraph.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Here is some info for you exploitation deniers , the blacks are lazy and stupid , its nothing to do with the sweet mining companies , those lazy blacks slaving down the mines. Its ok though because the ones over here are treated well as long as they drive down the price of labour , we're all the same aren't we?
Corruption runs deep in gold mines of Congo - Telegraph

The Congo, in colonial terms, never had anything to do with either the USA or Britain, being a colony of Belgium, or more accurately the personal fiefdom of King Leopold II. It obtained its independence two generations ago in 1960, and was governed from 1965 for over thirty years by a military dictatorship headed by President Mobutu, a wholly corrupt and wholly totalitarian regime.

The Congolese people suffer massive economic hardship in a land rich with mineral resources, not primarily because of the activities of international mining companies but because of the raging corruption of their own political leaders. The massive wealth poured into the Congo and similar corrupt African states from foreign aid and commercial investment, if used honestly and competently by their governments would transform the conditions of their citizens.

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Originally Posted by fubar

Is it passable to get on topic and get back to the point.??? so lets see, lets ignore the British Empire as there is worse things than us lets, look at China in Africa and indeed India which is a more pressing subject. I just wonder who will provide the evidence to prove how lucky India and Africa was under British rule???

India was indeed fortunate to have been colonised by the British. It was largely because of the 'benevolent exploitation' by the British and the negotiated withdrawal by the British following independence in 1947 that the foundation stones were laid upon which the modern India has been built.

You will find few educated or objective Indians who would argue that India did not benefit massively from the British Raj.

As a good Indian friend of mine observes 'The British introduced a democratic political system to India, an effective civil, military and police structure, widespread education, a national transport network, an efficient judiciary and all they took when they left was the Koh-i-noor diamond'.

As we all know, India today is a world economic power. Of course the Asian cultures and mentality are very different to those of the central and southern African, which provides a degree of explanation as to why Asian countries have been so much more successful in developing their societies economically and socially.

Major , yes the anglo americans did't have anything to do with congo during the colonial period , but anglo-american the minerals company is there now exploiting bribery and slave labour opportunities. Supprisingly enough the post colonial rip off companys were even started by the colonialists , Cecil rhodes founded De Beers diamond traders.
De Beers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its a conspiracy its a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Major , yes the anglo americans did't have anything to do with congo during the colonial period , but anglo-american the minerals company is there now exploiting bribery and slave labour opportunities. Supprisingly enough the post colonial rip off companys were even started by the colonialists , Cecil rhodes founded De Beers diamond traders.
De Beers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its a conspiracy its a conspiracy.

The international commercial community and non-African national governments continue to pour billions into Africa. If this money was used honestly and competently by the governments of these recipient nations the massive suffering of their citizens would be substantially diminished. It is the corruption of the black African governments which furthers the hardship of their fellow black Africans. You chose to ignore this indisputable point made in my post.

It may also come as a surprise to you but Wikipedia is not considered by many as an especially credible source.

Cecil Rhodes, within the context of his time, was a truly great man. Just one of his great achievements was to found the de Beers diamond mines. It is a meaningless exercise to condemn the values of fifty year period ending well over 100 years ago, when comparing the values of today. Nevertheless I would put it to you that the conditions of the indigenous population of Rhodesia under Rhodes in the late nineteenth century were significantly better than they are in today's Zimbabwe. Indeed they were massively better less than fifty years ago under Ian Smith.

People like Rhodes and Smith supported apartheid, because they recognised the incompatability of the tribal African culture and mentality with their own, and they further recognised that the indigenous African was wholly incapable of self determination, and to achieve economic and social progress needed to be governed, controlled and managed. Little has changed.

Yeah I know if you don't mind putting people in slavery cecil was a great guy. Cecil rhodes liked his concentration camps , this is little Lizzy Van Yyl in ceecils loving care . File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Christian capitain of empire he was!

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Yeah I know if you don't mind putting people in slavery cecil was a great guy. Cecil rhodes liked his concentration camps , this is little Lizzy Van Yyl in ceecils loving care . File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Christian capitain of empire he was!

You really haven't mastered the art of debate yet. You express a view, I disagree with that view and provide reasoned argument as to why I do, you then counter with your own supported argument! Except you don't!

Your posts are without exception imaginative, even fantastical, but that is quite frankly where any merit ends. You ignore others views, presumably because you have no idea how to counter them, and simply continue with your own naive, fatuous, ill-informed and largely un-supported opinions, and rather ridiculous conspiracy theories.

When you address the points I raise, and provide coherent and supported responses, then I may once again enter into debate with you. Until then I will continue to consider you a complete lightweight and simply nor worth the effort.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Thats the trouble soloman if you can prove me wrong and I am wrong I will be greatful , I have researched it , talked to people from Kenya , south Africa , india etc especially in work about it and they agree the british deliberatly left puppet dictatorships. People don't argue with my points they just call them conspiracy theories , even if they are not. Whos the extremist here midas is supporting hitlers race psudoscience by saying sub saharan blacks are inherently dim.

Maybe that shines a light on the secret attitudes of " conservatives " in this country. Now they are running it.

Hi,

and the people you have consulted at work would of course know as they have jobs and experience that provides them with the analytical skills and the comparative experiences - what a fascinating place to work and with so little experience yourself.

How lucky you are.

Where do you work with this huge representatice cross section and so much time to debate - it must be a Government Department as they seem to do very little and be wildly overpaid and over staffed for the simple task of rubber stamping the undemocratic diktat of the malign, damaging and evil EUropean Union.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Major , yes the anglo americans did't have anything to do with congo during the colonial period , but anglo-american the minerals company is there now exploiting bribery and slave labour opportunities. Supprisingly enough the post colonial rip off companys were even started by the colonialists , Cecil rhodes founded De Beers diamond traders.
De Beers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its a conspiracy its a conspiracy.

Hi,

of glibly libelling so many people with so little knowledge - Halt right there sunshine.

I know Anglo, I kenew Harry Oppenheimer fairly wel and Mary, I know the Congo I have been a prisoner of Laurence Khabilla's on a small 'task' I was commissioned to undertake. I know De Beers and before you go on running off at the mouth perhaps you could provide some proof of your silly fantasies that are rather better sourced than Wikipedia, cut and paste and communist press sources.

Lets not hear from you until SOMETHING you say can be stood up in something rather more substantial than nappies and hearsay.

For I am getting rather sick of you telling lies and half truths in denigration of people, places and principles I respect and value.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.