Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Was Lord mountbatten killed by MI5 in a false flag to get the english hating the IRA
and to prevent Windsor embarressment. Lord Mountbatten linked to Kincora child abuse ring - Indymedia Ireland

Is there any evidence that MI5 indulged in such activities?

We know that throughout the troubles the IRA , well the various IRAs have been infiltrated with british agents who have carried out particularly heinous attacks , like the omagh bomb whilst active in the IRA. There is proof that both the americans and MI5 have secretly helped the IRA , probibly in the knowledge that if their agents attacked the right targets it would demonise nationalism and allow for the police state and the beginning of the war on terror.
MI5 'helped IRA buy bomb parts in US' - Times Online

If you want to carry on living in dreamland like midas and co be my guest.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

If you want to carry on living in dreamland like midas and co be my guest.

All I can say is 'dream on' yourself!

He was one big perverted and demented pain in the ars... I never since have come across an twisted ego like his: if it were not for that wonderfull woman, the Queen Mum, who utterly detested him, he would have been a lot more dangerous. A real aristocrat she didn't tolerate parvenues.
Government Agencies do not murder, Dickyhead peed of so many people, always sticking his face in where it was'nt wanted or needed, with only one aim money and power. Somebody did us all a favour.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

If you want to carry on living in dreamland like midas and co be my guest.

Hi,

let us all know when you wake up!

What an evil place your mind must be - clearly crammed with half understood conspiracy theories and not a fact to bless yourself with - just conspiracies and endorsement with Wiki.

Have they given up education at schools and become dependent on technocracies?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Again no one has commented on my link , here is another one please scroll down to the part where the stevens report conclude that members of the british inteligence and forces colluded with paramilitarys to murder British citizens , they publiscise it but they admit it. Please if you don't know about this read up on it , it is important for over all understanding of the way the establishment operates. CAIN: Issues: Collusion - Chronology of Events in the Stevens Inquiries. I am not at liberty to comment on mountbattens character or his demise , i am asking a question in this thread.

Also , the omagh bomb , did the police and security forces "forget" the warnings from their agents , then bungle the investigation? Then ofcourse keep records from the listening station secret for 70 years for no particular reason or did they allow it to go ahead to force through the good friday agreement cover it up with a whitewash and then finally make vital evidence secret for 70 years?hmmmmmmm.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/ja...and.rosiecowan

http://www.michaelmckevitt.com/omagh...-collusion.htm

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Again no one has commented on my link , here is another one please scroll down to the part where the stevens report conclude that members of the british inteligence and forces colluded with paramilitarys to murder British citizens , they publiscise it but they admit it. Please if you don't know about this read up on it , it is important for over all understanding of the way the establishment operates. CAIN: Issues: Collusion - Chronology of Events in the Stevens Inquiries. I am not at liberty to comment on mountbattens character or his demise , i am asking a question in this thread.

Also , the omagh bomb , did the police and security forces "forget" the warnings from their agents , then bungle the investigation? Then ofcourse keep records from the listening station secret for 70 years for no particular reason or did they allow it to go ahead to force through the good friday agreement cover it up with a whitewash and then finally make vital evidence secret for 70 years?hmmmmmmm.
Police abandon legal challenge to scathing report on Omagh inquiry | UK news | The Guardian

Omagh, David Rupert, MI5 & FBI Collusion

I'am sorry, but this is the way of the World and we all conspire usually, unwittingly, in the 'doings' of the ongoing business of survival. Unfortunately those without protection are at the mercy of a very flawed society, vide - as you write, the Catholic Church and those with money and power. I don't condone it I simply say that society is what it is and those who pretend they can change anything are liars. A case in point are Charities, they takes the cash and live exceedingly well on it. Surviving in the 'real world' is always a juxtaposition of priorities and all of us, at one time or another, have had to compromise our ideals: otherwise we would have starved. Mountbatten was an utter bas....d but not alone in his perversity. Put simply, nothing can be done to change things.

Originally Posted by coalition

He was one big perverted and demented pain in the ars... I never since have come across an twisted ego like his: if it were not for that wonderfull woman, the Queen Mum, who utterly detested him, he would have been a lot more dangerous. A real aristocrat she didn't tolerate parvenues.
Government Agencies do not murder, Dickyhead peed of so many people, always sticking his face in where it was'nt wanted or needed, with only one aim money and power. Somebody did us all a favour.

I have always regarded Lord Mountbatten, without researching his history, as something of a national hero. As the last Indian Viceroy, he appears to have handled the independence and partition of India in fine diplomatic style, and had a distinguished naval service career. You appear to know differently. If you are, in your own inimitable manner, attempting to destroy the public image of a murder victim and erstwhile national hero, I would would ask you to provide credible evidence, which I for one will read with fascination, as long as it consists of more than the details of his philandering with members of the fairer sex.

As to whether his murder was orchestrated by MI5, I put this down to the fanciful imaginings of our resident conspiracy theorist.

A little too credulous Major?

Originally Posted by coalition

A little too credulous Major?

Do I take it then that the evidence I so reasonably requested will not be forthcoming? One could draw only one conclusion from such an omission, which is that your post is a warped tissue of lies.

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Originally Posted by Major Sinic

Do I take it then that the evidence I so reasonably requested will not be forthcoming? One could draw only one conclusion from such an omission, which is that your post is a warped tissue of lies.

It would be more appropriate if you researched the sinking Admirals real biographic details rather than the pompous bombastic nonsense you normally dish out as you scour for conversational victims rather than conversationalists.

Possibly but why were the same security forces warning him not to holiday so casually during such dangerous times in Ireland, for any member of the British establishment. Mountbatten ignored all their warnings. The killing of Mountbatten had the other significance of drawing British security attention that day towards west Ulster and that left for a near perfect ambush on British forces on the other side of the province at Warrenpoint, 18 soldiers killed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, the Mountbatten attack was a war crime and should have been abandoned when it was clear that there were kids present.

The IRA weren't looking for support from England, they wanted to make English people aware that there was a war going on in Ireland. There's no doubt the likes of MI5 did play a part in other attacks. This has especially been highlighted in the Dublin-Monaghan bombings....basically a proxy attack by the British establishment on the Irish 26 county state using a Loyalist organisation.

Originally Posted by coalition

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It would be more appropriate if you researched the sinking Admirals real biographic details rather than the pompous bombastic nonsense you normally dish out as you scour for conversational victims rather than conversationalists.

You made an extremely strong and emotional attack on a long dead member of the establishment, who was a figure most English people would ordinarily admire and respect. I, without pomposity or bombast, asked for credible evidence in support of your view which was, predictably, not forthcoming. It is you who made the claims and therefore you who should support them. The only logical conclusion is that you have no evidence to offer, and therefore your post was quite simply scurrilous lies. Had you supplied such evidence I would have considered it with genuine interest.

I am not on this site to have cosy conversations but to debate the issues of the day and any other relevent contentious subjects that appeal. Unfortunately the ability to debate, supporting one's position with reason and evidence, seems to diminish in direct proportion to the increase in fantasy conspiracy theories and extreme claims put forward by you and a few others on this forum.

If you can't support your position with reason and evidence you deserve to be a 'victim'.

Yeah , I agree with what you say the mountbatten incident was wrong , I am sad that you would support the assasination of persons of the crown in Ireland as it is important that the people of Ireland they being catholic or protestant do not emulate the evil of the British establishment. We must have faith in ourselves and in the fact that we can shake off the tyranny , myself for Ulster nationalism , yourself for irish nationalism presumably and eventually when the Irish realise they are run by a puppet government controlled by american luminairies who has sold them into slavery they will likely rebel and only then may we have an Ireland with a strong constitution and no part of the world government.

Major , you are not adressing the MI5 collusion with republicans to kill british soldiers issue and its effect on the mountbatten attack.

Coalition , you have not said why you don't like mountbatten.

I don't pretend to know if mountbatten was a pervert or not , some sources suggest he was , some he wasn't , I am askin was he a reasonable target for MI5 to prevent embaressment to the establishment? Also what of this coup against Harold Wilson?

Yes, if you have some knowledge of his attempts at a coup against Wilson, not his only attempt to garner power, you are also aware of his less than successfull military exploits and the unfortunate antics in India. I'am not Google, and most of Dirty Dickies unvarnished escapades are already well documented.

He was of no further importance to our Government when he sojourned in Ireland, politicians disliked and distrusted him instinctively, he may of been advised, as others were, to maintain a low profile, but he certainly was never a person who tolerated those whom he considered beneath him, which was practically almost every other mortal on the planet - in this way he always reminded me of Monty, except that Monty was quintessentially English and Dickie was a bit of the Heinze 57 variety, more Levant than London, my Father was heard to remark. Whatever he was in Ireland for had nothing to do with the Government but, with Dicky, small things like that never stopped him from trying to ferret out something on someone and ruthlessly try to exploit it.

It takes a man to be arrogant to travel to ireland at that time being who he was.

Now, my little Rabbit hunter, do keep your thumb screws in the box. I sent you to research for yourself as you stated " I have not researched Mountbatten" you will admit that your off the kind who needs to source for yourself, although upon present evidence, you appear to need very little subject knowledge before you begin your rather bucolic slagging tirades. Is this what actors call 'being in character'? And, I really do think that most people are not that gullible. Your claim to not having some biographical detail of your vaunted hero, I posted as credulous, a debating technique I last encountered in junior school.

Originally Posted by coalition

Now, my little Rabbit hunter, do keep your thumb screws in the box. I sent you to research for yourself as you stated " I have not researched Mountbatten" you will admit that your off the kind who needs to source for yourself, although upon present evidence, you appear to need very little subject knowledge before you begin your rather bucolic slagging tirades. Is this what actors call 'being in character'? And, I really do think that most people are not that gullible. Your claim to not having some biographical detail of your vaunted hero, I posted as credulous, a debating technique I last encountered in junior school.

Still unable to supply any credible evidence I see. My own 'research' would suggest that you are the credulous one. Mountbatten to overthrow Wilson - rumour and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory! Diplomatic record as Viceroy -outstanding! Strategy as Fourth Sea Lord in the Mediterranean - triumphant! Accusations of being a pederist - unproven and unsustantiated! So we are left with the fact that he was almost certainly a bisexual or homosexual. Please don't tell me your obvious hatred of the man is based on more than your own homophobia?

Either provide evidence of what can only currently be considered unsubstantiated lies. You made the accusations, you justify your position. Until then you really aren't worth any more time.

Originally Posted by Major Sinic

Still unable to supply any credible evidence I see. My own 'research' would suggest that you are the credulous one. Mountbatten to overthrow Wilson - rumour and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory! Diplomatic record as Viceroy -outstanding! Strategy as Fourth Sea Lord in the Mediterranean - triumphant! Accusations of being a pederist - unproven and unsustantiated! So we are left with the fact that he was almost certainly a bisexual or homosexual. Please don't tell me your obvious hatred of the man is based on more than your own homophobia?

Either provide evidence of what can only currently be considered unsubstantiated lies. You made the accusations, you justify your position. Until then you really aren't worth any more time.

There! and how did I guess that you were setting up a childish ambush, your certainly no original, something which I observed in your pathetic attempts at social interchange.

It is recorded fact that those who label others as homosexual are, without exception homosexuals themselves.

Thank you, I did have some fun tweaking your whiskers, but I can only take so much of the unpalatable. Still, you can always keep yourself busy decimating the Rabbit population.

Originally Posted by coalition

There! and how did I guess that you were setting up a childish ambush, your certainly no original, something which I observed in your pathetic attempts at social interchange.

It is recorded fact that those who label others as homosexual are, without exception homosexuals themselves.

Thank you, I did have some fun tweaking your whiskers, but I can only take so much of the unpalatable. Still, you can always keep yourself busy decimating the Rabbit population.

To suggest someone is homophobic is most certainly not a suggestion that they are homosexual, in fact rather the opposite, outwardly at least. You are confused by your own ignorance. It would take someone with a substantially more developed intellect than yours to tweak my whiskers. And bless my soul, still no evidence to support your lies and distortions. But that will surprise no one!

Apologies if that was offensive but I believe Saxe-Coburg's should fear visiting Ireland.

The southern Irish state has never gained true independence. British security interest has always been prevalent. An example of this is after the British state's proxy bombings of Dublin and Monaghan, a Garda "Heavy Gang" was formed to deal with anyone with republican affliations, it could also conveniently be used to harrass any political organisation that showed dissent towards the state. The founder of this gang was Garda Commissioner Ned Kelly and surprise surprise, Ned was also working for British Inteligence. State-Hired Goons and The Grumpy, Authoritarian Ego-Trippers - Indymedia Ireland

I think it is irrelevant as to who killed Lord Mountbatten and why.

What is important is that in this dangerous age when apparently anything goes if you feel strongly enough about it, that anyone should consider it vital to take someone else's life. That is a huge devaluation of the value of life. Yet another indication of how violent a society we have become.

Fraxinus , you are right , only what are we to do about it? Ah anything for liberty or liberty for anything a question for every Irish man and woman , ERIN GO BRAGH

Its odd , midas is not here accusing you guys of being off topic , he seems to pick on me.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Its odd , midas is not here accusing you guys of being off topic , he seems to pick on me.

Because you won't confine your conspiracy theories and off-topic links to the conspiracy theory thread, plain and simple. Talk about them as much as you like here in this forum though.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

Its odd , midas is not here accusing you guys of being off topic , he seems to pick on me.

Surely you can see that it is a conspiracy!

The Canadians considered him to be a lot worse than arrogant and refused to serve under him.

Originally Posted by coalition

The Canadians considered him to be a lot worse than arrogant and refused to serve under him.

Once again Coalition makes an unsubstantiated and sweeping statement against Mountbatten.

If he has even a faint idea of what he is talking about, he is almost certainly referring to the disastrous Dieppe raid, when so many Canadian troops died in this poorly planned operation. Under Churchill, The Chiefs of Staff including Montgomery and Mountbatten were responsible for the planning of this operation. Unsubstantiated rumour has it that Mountbatten mounted the operation against the wishes/orders of the Chiefs of Staff and in particular, Montgomery. It is now widely accepted that this was nonsense.

It is true that Mountbatten was considered an upstart foisted on the Chiefs of Staff by Churchill, but there is no evidence to suggest that Canadian forces refused to serve under him.

The full story for those who, like me, view with suspicion and distrust sweeping statements unsupported by one iota of evidence, can be found at www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/dieppe_raid_01

All these elites are sickening even talking about them , they caused huge wars in which millions died , played with mens lives. They enslaved people , empoverished others for profit and they still recieve reverance from their victims , I think we are a nation suffering from stolkholm syndrome , and if midas and major are as rich as they say they are even more victims of the elites , they have to pay premium taxes but do not get the memos not to drink the water or take the vaccines. Churchill
was a particularly sickening elitist , he threw men onto the sands of gallipoli , promoted eugenics , let coventry burn and tryed to give de-valera northern Ireland in exchange for irish sea ports usage. Wake up to the true nature of this plump cigar smoking scoundrel.

Mountbatten was part responsible for causing the pakistan india war of partition in which over a million died.

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

and if midas and major are as rich as they say they are even more victims of the elites

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Where have I ever provided details of my wealth or otherwise? I do not claim to be either rich or poor.

Mountbatten was part responsible for causing the pakistan india war of partition in which over a million died.

Do please explain why he was any more involved, than standing on the sidelines. Your sources and evidence would be of interest.

I cant remember but in one of the thread either you or midas ( you are almost the same person in my mind ) talked about a business you owned that was sold for a 7 figure sum or summit like that.
I speculate the british provoked it to prevent the creation of a powerful new rival that may have been a big player in the future but I will look into it.

Many of those who take a high horse in denouncing violence probably voted for Tory and Labour governments that killed thousands in their waring exploits (including their country's young, look at the age list of those killed in Afghanistan...frightening!). And for what....all in the name of global imperialism. Mountbatten was undoubtedly part of that ugly game.

Originally Posted by soloman

I think it is irrelevant as to who killed Lord Mountbatten and why.

What is important is that in this dangerous age when apparently anything goes if you feel strongly enough about it, that anyone should consider it vital to take someone else's life. That is a huge devaluation of the value of life. Yet another indication of how violent a society we have become.

This is like something out of the Daily Mail."Huge devaluation of life" ...."indication of how violent a society we have become". When was it not violent? I'm not saying that makes it ok, but you must have your head in the clouds if you think violence is a new phenomenum and that the states like Britain and the US haven't been wreaking terrible violence on other societies and nations for decades.

Your flogging a crooked horse here in more ways than one, many pseudo conmen drip feed deliberately confusing details as to their wealth their social standing and, always, the latest investment coups, it is all a front. I would'nt take any of it seriously. It is a part of the fiction to play off one type of personality to impress the potential victims. Even you are possibly playing a role, albeit harmlessly, you may well be an Oxbridge Prof. for all I know.
But however, in the spirit of things, I enjoy your incredulous blogs and, so long as you obtain a great deal of satisfaction, or even relief from stress, from expressing your thoughts, as I do, it will be my pleasure to respond, sans the pretentious superiority of others. This in particular is an excellent post and you do manage somehow to come up with some quite quirky add ons, often seemingly balanced on the edges of sanity, which keep things ticking along. But as they say in the Circus the show must go on, and I won't keep bleating about evidence, we have had a great deal of fun recently about the proof or not of God: no God would have put so many sh..ts in the world: which I claim is proof to the contrary that a God is or was extant.

Originally Posted by Major Sinic

Do I take it then that the evidence I so reasonably requested will not be forthcoming? One could draw only one conclusion from such an omission, which is that your post is a warped tissue of lies.

Hi,

no perhaps he was loath to tell the truth.

He was an unciuous pompose ass - Yes I have met him.

He was sent to iIndia to negotiate the transition to Independence that Neville Chamberlain had, as a statesman, negotiated with India in return for unequivocal support for Britain in the upcoming war.

this was during the time when the economic illiterate and strategic idiot Churchill was effectively gagged and kept OFF the airwaves so that he was not able to plunge us into war with Germany whilst Chamberlain rearmed having negotiated - despite Churchill's self serving bellicose posturings - at Munich.

Mountbatten posted to India titularly as the last Viceroy was charged with drawing up the independence and the Indian constitution was drawn up by a British judge called Becket? (haven't time to give full details but his daughter I knew well as with his grandaughter Diana).

Mountbatten was convincingly out manoevered by Pandit Nheru and Mohamed Ali Jinah showed him for the fool he was whilst he strutted his way around his wife was driven around and screwed by half the Indian dignataries and her driver!

Mountbatten's ear to the royal household has proved catastrophic - leading to a way over funded and near useless Navy though the one event he was involved in (as was I) that looked to hold Wilson's Cabinet to prevent his Labour treachery had much merit.

Few appreciate the degree of control Soviet Russia had over Labour Socialism but remember Niel Kinnoch visiting Russia to seek help to overthrow the elected Government of Britain and scum like Baroness Ashton (currently EU Foreign Affairs) accepting anonymous funding from Russia to undermine the British Government and seek to destroy our Nuclear defence via donations to CND of which the vile traitor was treasurer!

I was not all together sorry on a strategic basis to see Mountbatten killed by the IRA but had I had the choice it would have happened earlier before he had so conclusively damaged Britain's defence structure and many of that half wit Prince Charles' more idiotic concepts are directly attributable to 'Uncle Dicky'.

I trust this is of some help in dispelling the omni present conspiracy theorists who so love their lame brained fantasies and so readilly repudiate Occum's Razor!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by soloman

I think it is irrelevant as to who killed Lord Mountbatten and why.

What is important is that in this dangerous age when apparently anything goes if you feel strongly enough about it, that anyone should consider it vital to take someone else's life. That is a huge devaluation of the value of life. Yet another indication of how violent a society we have become.

Hi,

I do feel you rather over egg this one as to violence - I walked home almost a mile this evening and I had no problem with sabre toothed tigers, Tyranasaurus Rex, giant anacondas, maurauding pye dogs, nor even highwaymen, cut purses or even gun toting black drug dealers.

Remarkably peacefull for the time of year don't you think?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by coalition

which I claim is proof to the contrary that a God is or was extant.

Hi,

neither extant nor extinct I would suggest.

The nearest to proof of there being any gods is perhaps the concept that he must have a sense of humour and if you doubt it just tell him your plans - especially if they require favourable weather!

Though perhaps it is luck after all for it seems to come right with all the certainty of my winning the lottery (Must buy a ticket one day) - so sorry, to clarify that would be a lottery ticket, I long ago studied the odds and decided not to gamble on gods, the odds are clearly against one!!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

The odds that this Criminal Coalition Non Elected Government are interested in rescuing the fortunes of the country as apart from their crooked City mates are even higher its OK - buy a lottery ticket: it may be the last opportunity us ordinary people ever have to join the Gold Bullion hoarders: whom I understand have a private stash in London of over 1200 Tonnes. Who needs bloody Switzerland.

Very good my first smile this morning ....T.U.

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

Hi,

I do feel you rather over egg this one as to violence - I walked home almost a mile this evening and I had no problem with sabre toothed tigers, Tyranasaurus Rex, giant anacondas, maurauding pye dogs, nor even highwaymen, cut purses or even gun toting black drug dealers.

Remarkably peacefull for the time of year don't you think?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by coalition

The odds that this Criminal Coalition Non Elected Government are interested in rescuing the fortunes of the country as apart from their crooked City mates are even higher its OK - buy a lottery ticket: it may be the last opportunity us ordinary people ever have to join the Gold Bullion hoarders: whom I understand have a private stash in London of over 1200 Tonnes. Who needs bloody Switzerland.

The coalition was elected , albeit by a media brainwashed general public , who are utterly convinced there is no alternative to elitist government.

Originally Posted by coalition

Very good my first smile this morning ....T.U.

Damn - I left out bloody Druids looking for a sacrifice ;~)

and Celts desperately trying to tie knots!

Do you know why the Welsh have got short legs?

Simples!

Invaders from the continent and scandinavia over millenia inter bred with the local girls with long legs and the ones with short legs were pushed out to go and live in Wales - go to west wales and see for yourself!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by amgingles

the coalition was elected , albeit by a media brainwashed general public , who are utterly convinced there is no alternative to elitist government.

quite correct, they were individually elected and failed to achieve a majority to form a government, it is in this way that we the 'voters' showed that we were unconvinced that cameron, clegg nor brown were acceptable as leaders of the country.
They then unilatterly formed a coalition which we were excluded from ratifying, and there is substantial reason to believe that the glipdems rank and file had they been aware of the true details of the agreement, would not have accepted it. I wonder what would have been the reaction if it had been a coalition between the torys and the bnp, would we have supinely laid down as we have now, and accepted it. The electorate have been disenfranchised via a tottally illegal constraint agreement. almost exactly identical to how Hitler stole power in 1933, The ultimate price we pay is unacceptable as my vote is no longer worth a spit -we have a dictatorship. I have no longer a vote nor do you.

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

Damn - I left out bloody Druids looking for a sacrifice ;~)

and Celts desperately trying to tie knots!

Do you know why the Welsh have got short legs?

Simples!

Invaders from the continent and scandinavia over millenia inter bred with the local girls with long legs and the ones with short legs were pushed out to go and live in Wales - go to west wales and see for yourself!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Did they arrive via Ireland by any chance?

Originally Posted by coalition

Did they arrive via Ireland by any chance?

No they are the North welsh - Irishmen who could swim!

South Wales many were Irish on their way home when work ran out as navies after building the canals, inland navigation ways!
They stopped off in South Wales where the coal fields were just opening.

The Romans had mined coal and iron ore in Wales but when they left the Welsh went back to chasing sheep!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

" I no longer have a vote and nor do you" seems odd of the gov not to give us a vote , considering there is no new world order ruling elite.