come on folks

Originally Posted by AMGINGLES

come on folks

I suspect the silence tells you what most people think in linking what could on its own be an interesting discussion on the forward thinking ability and predictive capability of some people, with conspiracy theories!

I like a good conspiracy theory as the next person. But I just don't think there are some people around a table planning on ways to do us in.

I consume lithium by the truck load, and after reading this thread I want to commit suicide, obviously it doesn't work.

Seriously, on the subject of forward predictions, when closely studdied most of them are self fullfilling anyway, and those people that achieved noteriety by making predictions usually got more badly wrong than they did right.
One of the most famous was Nostrodamus. Just about all of his predictions proved to be very ambiguous, and much of the meaning behind them was twisted by later biographers in translation.
Science, the law of averages, and many other thought processes are capable of making fairly accurate pedictions. There's nothing miraculous or conspiratorial about it though.

Edward Bellamy was a time traveling alien as were many of the prophets of doom and seers of the past. They have come back in time to warn us of our pending doom in the hope we will rewrite our future . It would appear the future cannot be changed though as they wouldnt come back from their present if it had. There could of course be an anomolly in the time continum creating a parralell universe which at times I think I'm in given the level of sense shown by those I share this timeframe with.

1984 was a story, Many of its ideas have come to pass as Labour used it as a blueprint for government

yeah they seem to have done

So stop sending junks from your state over to my territory to come and throw abusive word like calling people 'cow boy'', so who is the cow boy between us ?

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but what is wrong with sustaining the population? There is only so much room and resources on this rock, and we're running out of both. Unless of course you believe that we put back as much as we use. That, and I seriously doubt that the human race is going to wake up tomorrow and realize this, and stop procreating. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I don't think that the majority of the population on earth has that kind of foresight. Most of us have our hands full supporting our families and wondering where our next meal is coming from. And if we don't start sustaining the population, the population will start sustaining us. You think it's bad now? Add another 2 billion people into the mix and you'll REALLY start to see the dishes fly.

Originally Posted by Soneone

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but what is wrong with sustaining the population? There is only so much room and resources on this rock, and we're running out of both. Unless of course you believe that we put back as much as we use. That, and I seriously doubt that the human race is going to wake up tomorrow and realize this, and stop procreating. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I don't think that the majority of the population on earth has that kind of foresight. Most of us have our hands full supporting our families and wondering where our next meal is coming from. And if we don't start sustaining the population, the population will start sustaining us. You think it's bad now? Add another 2 billion people into the mix and you'll REALLY start to see the dishes fly.

I have to agree with you regarding the population issue - although not regarding conspiracy theories, at least not regarding the vast majority of them. When you add together the growing population, the depletion of natural resources and the spectre of climate change with the possibility of sea level rises, flooding and drought in populated regions around the world, you have a recipe for disaster on an epic scale. I doubt very much whether technology will come to aid of more than a small percentage of the world's population, and I'd lay serious money on the fact that if we were able to return in 500/1,000 years time we'd see a very different world to that of today; in fact I'd wager that a large percentage of people in the third world, and quite a number is the less able/sustainable first world countries, had died through a combination of starvation, disease and war, and those who were left guarded their resources very carefully.

Nature has always had a way of redressing the balance, Malthus was right about that, although he was wrong about time scales and the effect of the early technological revolution on agriculture in particularly, and there will come a point when there are just too many people. When that point is reached we won't just see a drop down to the optimum number, but to way below that. We're far too competitive a species and those best able to survive will fight tooth and nail to keep their land and livelihood, resulting in a whole new pattern of human existence across the globe.

These are interesting times we live in. I don't think that what is happening to the planet is so much a conspiracy against the have-not's perpetuated by the have's, so much as it is just the natural progression of things.

Have you ever considered the implications of there as a result of mass population disintegration being less party political leaders to choose from in a democracy, besides the times we'd live through with them and the modifications and changes to a New Order of things (which is where we're going anyway, is it not, with some future possibilities such as terrorism?). Think what it would be like if we had nothing left but a composite number of cloned and/or mutated "The Magdalene" Thatchers to cope with. The whole political landscape would change overnight.