Secret Police are operative on this Forum

[Janus]

I am not here to shock you or shame you or even to intimidate you into a state of guarded suppression/repression concerning the freedom of speech we all have a measurable right to today, so please do carry on as usual as I don't see how a forum like this one would be able to be fully and fluently functional if it were to be used otherwise for careful innuendo, coded diatribes and cleverly-camouflaged insinuations which would make of its purpose for existence a mockery, BUT...
I would advise users to be careful about the nature or the extent to which they disclose personal details about themselves, particularly where concerns the real names, addresses and/or telephone/mobile numbers of especially those of a politically Nationalist or Racist bent, as I feel it is my burden and solemn duty to warn you that there may be certain organised groups (such as terrorist factions perhaps from an international location with access to such information who might not be entirely sympathetic with the freedoms of expression made by those types of users outlined above), especially the very real and possible and potential presence of undercover detectives at work on forums like these, who are carefully profiling you for their records on the basis of the information you thus far have already yielded to them. If you are of the opinion that you can exercise freedom of ecstatic utterances to their fullest extent and extension, and especially those of you from outside the UK like in America, but do not take measures to cleverly conceal your identity with a pseudonym that will protect you from infiltration by these spies...then, well, you only have yourselves to answer to for the resultant documentation by them of your type and agenda and persuasion and plans, which there are possibilities may suffer turbulence of an interceptory nature caused by those higher up the ladder, and in particular your beliefs and political aspirations may come under their scrutiny prior to some form of attack.
Although I consider Conspiracies to be for tired and paranoid hacks, I thought for the sake of easily locating it I would put it in here, but please don't think me a paranoid tired old hack as I sometimes know things that others don't, and with such information I am now filling you in. Do not fear them, but please do try to be circumspect and on your guard at all times.
Thank you,
Janus.

[Midas]

OK, I confess, both Steve and I really work for MI6 and this forum is nothing other than a honey pot to trap potential dissidents and trouble-makers

But in all seriousness, I am pretty sure that all such internet forums are electronically monitored for key words and key phrases in just the same way that general internet/email traffic is. That alone, other than the potential for drawing crazies, is good reason not to reveal much information about yourself, although of course a combination of IP address and email address on its own is enough to pinpoint the majority of people to within a very small area, and to directly identify many more - and that's without even employing the resources of any official authorities.

I do have particular personal concerns over privacy and I admit I do go to greater lengths than the vast majority of people to protect it, and that includes using non personally identifiable email addresses and always using a secure, non-logging, encrypted virtual private network which terminates outside of the UK to access the internet, send and receive emails and use for any P2P and VoIP communications. If anyone is in the slightest bit concerned about internet snooping, official or otherwise, I'd advise them to take similar steps.

Incidentally, there's quite widespread use of sophisticated search engines by companies to trace any publicly made comments which might be of interest when looking at potential job applicants for either senior or sensitive industrial and commercial positions - and 'publicly' includes within membership only groups like Facebook, Bebo, Twitter, Yahoo and Google Groups, blogging and rss sites, and 1,000 other similar ones. Anything you've said in the past in your own name, especially anything which could be termed controversial or inflammatory, could well come back to bite you in the future when changing jobs, even within the same company, so be warned and be very careful what you say and about whom when posting with any personally identifiable details. I know directly of several instances where job applicants have been rejected because of past comments they've posted on the internet. Nothing dies on the internet; once something is said it's virtually impossible to unsay or to remove all traces of it.

[Janus]

In which case I personally will need to keep my true identity concealed from the more ordinary users than myself, as well as from the competition out there, n'est-ce pas? As for that localised IP you mentioned which doesn't go abroad with your info/persona data, I'd be interested to know more. I want some form of better encryption on certain data I release about myself over the 'net, including indentifying myself as the person who has certain political 'knowledge', shall we say, about day to day life.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

OK, I confess, both Steve and I really work for MI6 and this forum is nothing other than a honey pot to trap potential dissidents and trouble-makers

Have you got a sports bag?

[UncleVanya]

Absolutely, very possibly. After all the anti-EU-rine land Blah that gets posted on various other Forums on the 'Internet'. There is no doubt some overpaid, stinking, money-grabbing EU-SSR land Kommie Kommizzar instructing his/her equally overpaid purile Muppetised Jobsworth flunkies to trawl through all the Web Forums used by UK citizens and other, to compile names and profiles.

So when the EU-rine land becomes the new 'Holy Roman Empire' with the Sainted Teflon of Tone as it's first 'King/President/Kaiser/Caesar Augustus/First Amongst Equals', or whatever name he/she will be called, then all those who are 'negative' about the EU-SSR land will be rounded up to be forced to listen to 23/7 non stop speeches by all the Kommie Kommizzar for the previous 5 years. Yes, only 23/7.... you get just 1 hour to go for widdle/pooh/eat/mug of java/tea/6 cans of 'Special Brew'..... or a puff on a joint.

But I jest.... or do I? It is often stated that... "Many a true word has been spoken in jest..!"

[Soneone]

UncleVenya, please lighten up.:] So OP. Are there certain keywords the authorities look for like they do in the U.S.? I'd give you examples,but if I did, I might see jackboots through my door before I finish this po.....................................

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

Perhaps we had better remind EUroPol that their days are numbered as even their own EU propaganda is failing despite a spend of €2,400,000,000 on propaganda spent by the mallign EU Publicity department here is just how unpopular they are based on THEIR stats!


This shows that not only do half the vassal states not trust the EU but considering that includes Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece that would indicate that 2/3rds of the serfs see themselves as prisoners.

The EU is an obscene centralised committee dictatorship likely to give rise to a possible 200,000,000 deaths in the famine that will stalk the planes of EUrope in the wake of the wars of disassociation which are now virtually inevitable as EUrope the sick man collapses in ruin - not if but when!

When a place forces people to stay against their will it is a prison when they have done no wrong it is a gulag!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[fubar]

well you could be right Mi6 Mi5 have been looking for Terrorist links for a long time now so it would be no surprise if thay are at work here, now we have the publication of the Power of Unreson from Demos might shed some light on the future of forums like this one.

Demos | Publications

[Janus]

UncleVenya, please lighten up.:] So OP. Are there certain keywords the authorities look for like they do in the U.S.? I'd give you examples,but if I did, I might see jackboots through my door before I finish this po.....................................

I do not believe that there are solely that, certain keywords on discussion forums like this, that arouse the interest of the CIA, FBI, MI5/6, Home Office, etc. For that to be the case they would fail to understand or appreciate the nature and purpose of a forum like this one which involves debate, something organisations also sometimes hold in their meeting-places I am sure as a key element to their evolution and development over time, and it is not like where if you say the PM or President's name in conjunction with references to terrorism over the phone that you thenceforth are linked by a tele-computer to some surveillance machine or database which monitors your future conversations for an unknown period: That is done with automated technology and is impersonal and without any knowledge of what sort of person the telephone communicant actually is, although I am sure they use voice rec-tech for the purposes mentioned.
No, on a forum like this one what I am trying to say is that they have a much clearer picture of you-minus your identity-and take much more of an interest in you for many reasons other than just suspicion or surveillance. This could include surveys, polls, stats and figures, graph data, personality profiles (at least with ref. to your alter ego username) and consideration for further scrutiny. As I think Midas or someone said earlier on, they also when considering job applicants do a careful check on the quality of the material which you have written and posted on a site like this one, which is indelible after a day or two-you can't remove it or edit it.
I do believe that you may become of interest to these secret internet police, let's call 'em, like the thought police in 1984 is it?, and that although you should exercise freedom of expression and speech when purporting your views, you should also exercise due caution with regards to your identity. This is down to the discretion of each user, and while there may indeed be such a reality as Internet Police or WebSpies, you may like Greg Lance-Watkins not care and still want to leave a forwarding name and address. I did actually have him in mind when I started this thread, as if you go to his personal page his address is displayed in full, and also on his posts, but I assumed he was willing for it to be known because he is desirous of being contacted by those with questions about his policies et al. It is for a person's like his discretion to adjudicate whether his home address or his work office would be the best point of contact for locating him with your queries as to his political intentions, but I am aware that many people whose lives could be in danger at any given moment have declared themselves freely whether on or off the internet. A case in point: everyone knows David Cameron's official address is now 10 Downing Street, and am I correct in saying that Clegg now resides opposite or nearby at 11?

[Stimpy]

I, for one, like cars. I frequent car forums a lot. But even there I wouldn't dream of putting my real address and other personal information on the internet, much less on a site like this.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

you have to ask yourself at what stage is quality of life and freedom more important than merely living?

I have lived as a target but I am NOT prepared to live on my knees - I infact improve my security by being 100 percent open.

Imagine a guy called Matt Quinn is cirrently so obsessed with me that he came from near Edinburgh to Chepstow so that he might get a glimpse of me and would seem to have stolen my garbage so that he could seem more plausible in his attempts to defame me with his fantasies.

Quite funny really!

However I am protected to some extent from his more extreme stupidities as in his actions he has shown himself to be utterly barking!

This of course has come to the attention of the police also as has another stalker George McKendrick who seems to enjoy fantasising about me.

All because they want to believe a Down's syndrome was sexually abused when there is absolutely no valid evidence.

See StolenKids-Hollie on Google.

It has also stood me in good stead taking David Icke to court for lies, abuse, defamation and libel so my solicitor tells me He could CLEARLY have checked his facts before publishing defamatory lies!

When it is clear you have published everything you are of little consequence to intel. as their raids (had those) and their threats (had those) carry little weight!

I would not be unhappy to see clear id as a prerequisite posting as it cuts gratuitous and dishonest defamation, foul language and libels as they are all traceable to the miscreant.

Further may it not be a good maxim to never publish ANYTHING you are unable to substantiate in your own name as a first step to plausibility?

In many 1000s of postings no where can anyone identify a consequential deliberate lie I have published and no one can show I have ever published under a false name for my own benefit.

One advantage of having nothing to hide and seeking the truth is I do not fear putting my name to that which I believe in.

Regards,
Greg_L_W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

just as the conjourer performs his trick by slight of hand whilst using distraction intel. has extreme difficulty with open outright honesty as it can itself perform with greater efficacy in the shadows.

See: GL-W-Documents: #GD019* - - CHRISTOPHER STORY FRSA - IN MEMORIAM & MUCH MORE! & THEN start thinking

A salmon sandwich in Maine!!!!

Nothing will hide your identity every single individual and their false i/d on this forum is a matter of minutes to trace. The danger they have is complacency in the belief they are hidden. There is no coding that can not be broken and no encryption that can avoid translation IF required.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

UncleVenya, please lighten up.:] So OP. Are there certain keywords the authorities look for like they do in the U.S.? I'd give you examples,but if I did, I might see jackboots through my door before I finish this po.....................................

ESCHELON!
Try bomb, assassin, missile, mercury, uranium, they get even twitchier with some others so I'll leave them out as I won't be able to draw attention when I'm looking to be seen and the protection that affords

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Midas]

Nothing will hide your identity every single individual and their false i/d on this forum is a matter of minutes to trace. The danger they have is complacency in the belief they are hidden. There is no coding that can not be broken and no encryption that can avoid translation IF required.

That's not true Greg. OK, ultimately all encryption can be cracked given enough resources, but to the best of my knowledge (and I do have contacts in the internet security industry) just one 40-character message has ever been decrypted, and that took about eight months of real time and used approximately 5000 MIPS-years of computing time. (A MIPS-year is approximately the amount of computing done by a 1 MIPS [million instructions per second] computer in one year.) That message was encrypted using a 129 bit key pair, however much commercial encryption these days uses key pairs of 512 or 1024 bits.

It's also untrue that if you can be traced if you take care not to be. For instance the virtual private network (VPN) I use - a standard commercial one - uses random servers located in different countries, none of which keep traffic logs other than those needed for any maintenance work, and the routing between which changes on a random schedule. It also encrypts all traffic in both directions between my PC wherever in the world it might happen to be and the fixed exit server using a 384 bit key pair, which changes every login session. Any check on the IP address that results will simply reveal the owner of the exit server, who has absolutely no knowledge about what individuals or companies have traffic going through that server.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

That's not true Greg. OK, ultimately all encryption can be cracked given enough resources, but to the best of my knowledge (and I do have contacts in the internet security industry) just one 40-character message has ever been decrypted, and that took about eight months of real time and used approximately 5000 MIPS-years of computing time. (A MIPS-year is approximately the amount of computing done by a 1 MIPS [million instructions per second] computer in one year.) That message was encrypted using a 129 bit key pair, however much commercial encryption these days uses key pairs of 512 or 1024 bits.

It's also untrue that if you can be traced if you take care not to be. For instance the virtual private network (VPN) I use - a standard commercial one - uses random servers located in different countries, none of which keep traffic logs other than those needed for any maintenance work, and the routing between which changes on a random schedule. It also encrypts all traffic in both directions between my PC wherever in the world it might happen to be and the fixed exit server using a 384 bit key pair, which changes every login session. Any check on the IP address that results will simply reveal the owner of the exit server, who has absolutely no knowledge about what individuals or companies have traffic going through that server.

Hi,

you are in the main accurate but in generality I stand by my comment as extreme encryption CAN be cracked and note I did say 'There is no coding that can not be broken and no encryption that can avoid translation IF required'.

Normal forms of encryption readily available and understood are far from secure.

As for randomisation of ISP even VPN would seem to be under record control as I gather they are bound by agreement of some sort or unable to pass through hubs on the backbone.

Even Google or should I say led by Google the secrecy has been largely erradicated and when you study the activities of the now dead Gareth Williams you will realise just how far down the road of 'capture' they have moved from the hum drum of encryption. No hacking just entire hard drives or sim cards more or less instantly copied from a distance!

Look at the publicity that even The Pentagon's computer systems firewalls can be cracked by an autistic chap in a bedroom in Britain.

It is best to assume you ARE being read than underestimate surveillance either commercial or political.

Indeed it goes further - you are legally obliged to transcript if instructed see the legal rights of The FTAC (Fixated Threat Assessment Center) a part of The Home Office and its rights would make King Dracos be but a blushing moderate!

As the State's ability to protect the citizens for whom they have a duty of care has diminished, if not collapsed, the obscenity of the powers of the law to protect politicians and the state from those they are meant to serve is staggering.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
ps. This comment WILL be in the annals of the Police State awaiting an apposite time when they wish to further abuse their self serving and self granted powers.

It is however more honourable to die on ones feet than live on ones knees!