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    It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    Back when President Obama lived in Indonesia, in the late 1960s, China loomed as a malign force to the north, where communist cadres plotted to export their revolution to the rest of Asia. The Jakarta he'll visit later this month has an entirely different attitude toward the People's Republic. Local companies are doing deals in yuan, the Chinese currency, rather than dollars. If Jakarta gets in financial trouble, as it did back in 1997, it will be able to call on a $120 billion regional reserve fund, an Asia-only version of the International Monetary Fund due to be launched this month, bankrolled in part by China's massive foreign-exchange reserves. Asia's key economic and political issues are no longer being hashed out on trips like Obama's—between individual nations and the United States—but at summits that include only China, Japan, South Korea, and the Southeast Asian countries. "China has been instrumental in this shift in focus from 'Asia-Pacific,' which was largely about the U.S. and Japan, to 'East Asia,' which has China at the center," says Martin Jacques, author of When China Rules the World.


    Equally quietly, Beijing is helping re-design the Web. Recent headlines have focused on China's spat with Google, which announced it would refuse to abide by local censorship rules anymore after the company's networks were hacked from Chinese computers. But separately, the Chinese have been working hard on the next generation of Internet standards—what's called IPv6, for Internet Protocol version 6. The current version, IPv4, is expected to run out of usable IP addresses as soon as next year. That day can't come soon enough for Beijing, since the vast majority of addresses—some 1.4 billion as of August 2007—have gone to American businesses and individuals, versus a measly 125 million to China. That's fewer than one IP address per 100 people, compared with five per person in the United States.

    It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

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    Re: It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    China will not control the internet. It's a myth that any one force can. All they can do is build a (fire)wall to keep people out (or in), but they can never control those outside that wall, nor expand it very far.

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    Re: It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    Quote Originally Posted by DCFGS3 View Post
    China will not control the internet. It's a myth that any one force can. All they can do is build a (fire)wall to keep people out (or in), but they can never control those outside that wall, nor expand it very far.
    Yes, no-one can control the internet, especially when the Chinese govt can't control it in their own nation.

    Longriver, the reason why China is so powerful is because the evil dictators that rule China care so little about the people that they happily allow massive slave labour among the general population. If it wasn't for the slave labour in China, all these companies wouldn't move manufactoring to China.
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    Re: It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    Quote Originally Posted by longriver View Post
    Back when President Obama lived in Indonesia, in the late 1960s, China loomed as a malign force to the north, where communist cadres plotted to export their revolution to the rest of Asia. The Jakarta he'll visit later this month has an entirely different attitude toward the People's Republic. Local companies are doing deals in yuan, the Chinese currency, rather than dollars. If Jakarta gets in financial trouble, as it did back in 1997, it will be able to call on a $120 billion regional reserve fund, an Asia-only version of the International Monetary Fund due to be launched this month, bankrolled in part by China's massive foreign-exchange reserves. Asia's key economic and political issues are no longer being hashed out on trips like Obama's—between individual nations and the United States—but at summits that include only China, Japan, South Korea, and the Southeast Asian countries. "China has been instrumental in this shift in focus from 'Asia-Pacific,' which was largely about the U.S. and Japan, to 'East Asia,' which has China at the center," says Martin Jacques, author of When China Rules the World.
    The United States has been heavily involved in those talks, and in fact they are and where an instrumental part of the creation of this East Asian incentive because they wanted to reduce the dependency on the United States of the Countries that formed the "Tiger Economies" of the Pacific ring. The United States can no longer to afford to bank roll these countries and the 1997 crash in Indonesia proved this, it has taken over a decade, however, to get this whole scheme up and running.

    Quote Originally Posted by longriver View Post
    Equally quietly, Beijing is helping re-design the Web. Recent headlines have focused on China's spat with Google, which announced it would refuse to abide by local censorship rules anymore after the company's networks were hacked from Chinese computers. But separately, the Chinese have been working hard on the next generation of Internet standards—what's called IPv6, for Internet Protocol version 6. The current version, IPv4, is expected to run out of usable IP addresses as soon as next year. That day can't come soon enough for Beijing, since the vast majority of addresses—some 1.4 billion as of August 2007—have gone to American businesses and individuals, versus a measly 125 million to China. That's fewer than one IP address per 100 people, compared with five per person in the United States.

    It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.
    Pure poppycock. The Chinese have been involved in the creation of IPv6, as you would expect for a nation of it's size and influence, but no one nation has a monopoly on rolling it out or controlling. The IP address issue is also a red herring created by the paranoid. The way the IP systems works simply favours the Western nations due to the finances to support massive IT sales and thus the need for IP addresses. As China sees it's standard of living grow, thus the disposable income of it's people will rise to levels where they become more and more IT savvy and ownership shall rise, when that happens then the need for IP addresses in China shall rise and the number of IP addresses will go up proportionately.

    No single nation can control the Internet, and contrary to conspiracy theory nuts, no one nation could bring it down either.


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    Re: It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    Funny that, it's exactly the way I've heard a sociopath looks at the world. Appropriate.
    I wonder why the things that should be so simple, so natural... like loving someone and letting them see into your heart... should require so much courage?

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    Re: It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi 1691 View Post
    Yes, no-one can control the internet, especially when the Chinese govt can't control it in their own nation.

    Longriver, the reason why China is so powerful is because the evil dictators that rule China care so little about the people that they happily allow massive slave labour among the general population. If it wasn't for the slave labour in China, all these companies wouldn't move manufactoring to China.
    Slave labour?? Whom do you refer to?
    China is facing a predicament: The nation as a whole is becoming richer but the people are poorer than before. That's why Premier Wen said in the NPC that the government will give priortiy to reduce the gap between rich and poor. And hope the future policies would help to solve the problem.

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    Re: It’s China’s World. We’re Just Living in It.

    Quote Originally Posted by longriver View Post
    Slave labour?? Whom do you refer to?
    China is facing a predicament: The nation as a whole is becoming richer but the people are poorer than before. That's why Premier Wen said in the NPC that the government will give priortiy to reduce the gap between rich and poor. And hope the future policies would help to solve the problem.
    So, the communists took control in China in 1949, sixty-one years ago, and the premier just gets around to giving priority to closing the rich/poor gap. Some commitment to the making everyone equal. What a joke, he and the leadership live like kings off the back of the workers, while the working poor live in the 3rd world.
    I wonder why the things that should be so simple, so natural... like loving someone and letting them see into your heart... should require so much courage?

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