Is Climate Change Really Happening?

[Ian The Poet]

A wealth of evidence now puts beyond question our world is warming. Here in the UK four of the five hottest years over a 330 year period have occurred during the last ten years. Globally, the ten hottest years on record have all occurred since the beginning of the 1990s. Side effects such as floods, threatened by sea level rises are occurring more frequently. The change in climate is accelerating and the impacts in terms of environment, society and economy are being felt all over the world.
Naturally occurring greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) including water vapour, create a natural greenhouse effect which tends to keep the surface of the earth around 33° C warmer than it would otherwise be, helping to sustain life on earth.
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, concentrations of the natural greenhouse gases have risen as a consequence of human activities such as fossil fuel use, land-use change and agriculture.
Climate change mechanisms are complex however there is no doubt that the increase in concentration of greenhouse gases above that which has naturally occurred has contributed to global warming. CO2 forms 86% of the basket of greenhouse gases, and is released into the atmosphere primarily by burning fossil fuels: oil, petrol and natural gas.
If we can reduce carbon dioxide levels i.e. generate low carbon emissions, this will reduce the impact of climate change for future generations.

So what are forum members doing to change their carbon footprint.

[British]

To be perfectly honest, Ian, very little. I seperate my waste into the different bins. But so does everyone. I am looking for work within walking distance of home to save me traveling fourty miles a day in a Freelander.
But where waste is concerned, I believe convicted criminals should be the ones doing the dirty work. Seperating filthy nappies from two week old vegatable matter.

[Barry]

I won't be doing anything at all with intent to reduce carbon emissions.

I don't believe the lie of man made global warming.

[Streetwalker]

There is no link between the natural cycle of the planet warming and cooling and carbon emissions I therefore do nothing that I am told to do by Government or MMGW freaks.
The protection of our planet,rain forests,the oceans and natural habitats for wildlife are for me far more important than wether or not I seperate my garbage or use public transport. This is not to say we shouldn't cut down on waste and act responsibly but more for enviromental reasons than the fictisous carbon footprint story that has more links with social engineering than global warming.

[DC]

I saw a graph at some point, although I can't say the source, and what it was was a graph about the average temperatures, not just the hot ones, what it showed was that while their were more extreme hot temperatures than before, there was exactly the opposite as well, more extreme colds. Essentially the climate wasn't actually getting any hotter or colder, simply more extreme in its variations.

[British]

I saw a graph at some point, although I can't say the source, and what it was was a graph about the average temperatures, not just the hot ones, what it showed was that while their were more extreme hot temperatures than before, there was exactly the opposite as well, more extreme colds. Essentially the climate wasn't actually getting any hotter or colder, simply more extreme in its variations.

But isn't that a part of climate change? Not that we will have lovely weather but that the colder weather would be more persistant.

[DC]

But isn't that a part of climate change? Not that we will have lovely weather but that the colder weather would be more persistant.

I think it went back before the industrial revolution. I don't deny the climate is or has been changing, I just don't think it's as catastrophic as everyone says, and nobody has actually proven that the change is man-made.

[British]

I think it went back before the industrial revolution. I don't deny the climate is or has been changing, I just don't think it's as catastrophic as everyone says, and nobody has actually proven that the change is man-made.

I reckon we, all people need to look after the world far better. Recycling is an obvious move. But also, shipping things around the world only to be shipped back again after some work has been done. That's pathetc!
But I agree with you on this statment. I don't believe we are the cause of climate change. I don't think we are helping matters, but I don't think we are to blame.
Only the other day on the wireless was a report that X many million years ago the see levels were five meters higher with no polar ice. Now, I very much doubt that the worlds population of tyrannosaurus rex were land filling with their plastic waste. Or shipping their produce from one continent to another.

Nah, it's mother natures chain of events. I think that rather than trying to stop it, we need to make a start on how to live through it. I'm off now to buy my snorkel mask!

[DC]

I reckon we, all people need to look after the world far better. Recycling is an obvious move. But also, shipping things around the world only to be shipped back again after some work has been done. That's pathetc!
But I agree with you on this statment. I don't believe we are the cause of climate change. I don't think we are helping matters, but I don't think we are to blame.
Only the other day on the wireless was a report that X many million years ago the see levels were five meters higher with no polar ice. Now, I very much doubt that the worlds population of tyrannosaurus rex were land filling with their plastic waste. Or shipping their produce from one continent to another.

I agree, in fact I blame the climate change lobby for misdirecting billions of dollars of environmental money into what is now found to be fraudulent research and keeping it from many other real environmental causes, such as fighting deforestation and saving endangered species.

[Citizen Smith]

I agree, in fact I blame the climate change lobby for misdirecting billions of dollars of environmental money into what is now found to be fraudulent research and keeping it from many other real environmental causes, such as fighting deforestation and saving endangered species.

Amen to that.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

I had posted this: CLICK HERE on this Forum.

I then started looking to see if there was a thread anywhere discussing FACT and found this thread.

If you are interested in FACT come and join the discussion as the more people who become aware of the facts rather than the Government lies the sooner we can force our Government to stop the biggest confidence trick in the history of man led by the ultimate flim flam man hanging his chads Al Gore.

OUR Government's lies about climate change & the warmist drivvel of AGW are at best a result of Government's irresponsibility and more probable Criminal.

Join in at CLICK HERE

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[longriver]

While all eyes focus on the unfolding drama of the "health-care reform/health insurance reform/jobs bill," another critical part of the "Change America" plan just took a torpedo midship.

Some 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents from the Climate Research Unit, or CRU, at the U.K.'s University of East Anglia (where the "world's leading climate scientists work") have been leaked. The blogosphere is on fire – cover up, falsified studies, intimidation of skeptics. It's all there.

The Cap and Trade bill to lower our standard of living and subject our consumer choices to government diktat is based on the public agreeing that what we once called "progress" threatens the planet with destruction and we must stop it. It is a matter of accepted dogma among the collectivist lemmings of the Left that the Earth is warming because of our insatiable appetite for food, clothing and shelter – and cars, big screen TVs and a zillion gadgets run by electricity.

The industries producing these things produce "greenhouse gas emissions," threatening mass starvation, drought and hurricanes – a slow motion "2012" that must be stopped by decreasing "greenhouse gas emissions." Cows will belch less if we stop eating them, that sort of thing.

The collectivist Left in academia, media and politics got away with imprinting this dogma on the popular mind only because generations of government school graduates have been successfully stripped of knowledge of history, geology or climate science. There was a time when "science" was a rigorous search for truth that required an open skeptical mind, double-blind studies, multiple repeated experiments, peer-reviewed published data and a strong belief that if you are proven wrong, someone else got it right and the world will benefit. This approach was good enough for Pasteur, Newton and Ben Franklin, but not for today's crowd.

Earlier generations knew that the Earth's climate was constantly changing, affected by numerous influences, some known (sunspots, Earth axis wobble, El Nino), some presumed still to be discovered. Historians knew that European history was influenced by periods of warming and cooling. The Vikings didn't call it "Greenland" because it was covered (as now) with ice. Geologists knew that, in geologic time, the Sahara Desert was a tropical rainforest, glaciers covered Chicago and numerous other wonders.

While people could certainly affect the environment around them to their benefit by agriculture, animal husbandry and industry (this used to be thought of as an indication of intelligence), our grandfathers would have thought the idea that puny mankind could affect the climate of the whole planet absurd.

Whatever change did occur in what was then called "the weather" would require mankind to adapt – a trait of our species that our ancestors celebrated. How times have changed.

Today, Al Gore leads the pack asserting the truth of anthropogenic global warming. Complicated computer models spewed forth Gore's PowerPoint presentation, which begat Oscar and Nobel. And it came to pass that the Prophet Gore gave stirring lectures to masses of the adoring initiated, traveling from place to place in a private jet, from hotel to speech in a caravan of SUVs whose motors were kept running to warm (or cool as the season required) while Gore lectured the world on the urgent need to reduce CO2 emissions.

Neither the computer models nor Gore could explain the fact that from 1998 to 2008 (the last full year of surface temperature readings), the Earth did not keep warming (as the models had predicted). It actually cooled. Neither the computer models nor Gore could explain the dramatic drop in the number and severity of Atlantic hurricanes when both the models and Gore had predicted ever more Katrinas every year.

Now this. The final nail in the "climate change" dogma's coffin?
The CRU e-mails expose a priesthood in inquisition mode, masquerading as scientists and protecting their preconceived conclusions from any contradictory data or the questioning of skeptical scientists. For example, the leaked (or hacked) e-mail correspondence includes fundamental challenges to the validity of Siberian tree-ring studies that helped "prove" anthropogenic global warming, and supported the U.N.'s IPCC Report – a report that Gore has waved everywhere like a bloody shirt, saying the debate on global warming "is over."

While the blogosphere buzzed all weekend with the contents of these e-mails (see for example powerlineblog.com) and analyzed what many began calling the biggest scientific scandal of all time, the Old Media went into protection mode. This scandal threatens the whole scientific rationale underpinning the campaign for world government, higher taxes and a decreased standard of living for all (except the Chinese). You'd never know it in the Old Media. The New York Times reported it as a third-rate e-mail burglary "causing a stir among global warming skeptics."
Move on, nothing to see here.

The Washington Post ("Hackers steal electronic data from top climate research center") quotes the "researchers" at the CRU saying "that the e-mails have been taken out of context." No analysis of the "context" is provided.

The BBC assured its listeners that "the police have been informed" of the break-in. Just another hacker story. Ho hum. Just as the scientific method has suffered a reversion to dogma in the climate-change campaign, so too the "journalism" of the Old Media has degenerated into laughable propaganda.

The real story here cannot be so easily buried. Climate-change prophets threaten millions with poverty if their schemes become law. A preview can be seen in the "man-made dust bowl" of Central California where water has been cut off to one of the most fertile and productive agricultural areas on Earth to "protect" a small fish that one judge thinks might be harmed if the water was used to grow food.

source:The great 'global warming' hoax

From Global Times Forum

[Tourmaline]

So what are forum members doing to change their carbon footprint.

I drove my car around the block for no reason after I read this.

[Citizen Smith]

I drove my car around the block for no reason after I read this.

Congrats, you have just wasted petrol money. As well as your own time.

[Streetwalker]

I drove my car around the block for no reason after I read this.

I'll catch you on your next lap

[Tourmaline]

Congrats, you have just wasted petrol money. As well as your own time.

It is my money and my time. Besides its more like entertainment, because it annoyed you enough to post about it.

[Midas]

An interesting presentation (a pdf conversion of a PowerPoint presentation) on Anthropogenic Global Warming by Burt Rutan, the renowned entrepreneurial American aerospace engineer - http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/Rutan.AGWd...ysis%20v11.pdf.

[Streetwalker]

A good read Midas,had to chuckel over the Bikini comment

[Citizen Smith]

It is my money and my time. Besides its more like entertainment, because it annoyed you enough to post about it.

Well thats where your wrong- it didn't annoy me at all. If you'd bothered o read this thread, you would see I don't believe in man made global warming theory. I was just pleased that you wasted time and petrol.

[Marxist Nutter]

I agree, in fact I blame the climate change lobby for misdirecting billions of dollars of environmental money into what is now found to be fraudulent research and keeping it from many other real environmental causes, such as fighting deforestation and saving endangered species.

These issues are not unrelated in fact IMO deforestation is the single biggest cause of climate change (I deduce this from logic I'm not an environmental scientist)

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

These issues are not unrelated in fact IMO deforestation is the single biggest cause of climate change (I deduce this from logic I'm not an environmental scientist)

Hi,

there is a fundamental flaw in your contention.

The CRU data shows that Anthropogenic Global Warming is not just unsound science but has been clearly disproved.

As for 'Climate' change we have little or no knowledge of what drives climate - yes we know some rudimentaries such as the Gulf Drift gives rise to the north Atlantic drift whilst the salinity would seem to drive the American East Coast scour yet for many years it was considered to be a temperature based driver.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[DC]

These issues are not unrelated in fact IMO deforestation is the single biggest cause of climate change (I deduce this from logic I'm not an environmental scientist)

Deforestation has little to do with it. In real terms we haven't actually deforested that much. And people bang on about the amazon and football fields, but in real, planetary terms, trees don't take in that much carbon in comparison to natural chemical exchange and the oceans. Another point to make is that we could burn every tree on the planet, and the reulting pollution is unlikely to affect the climate. The rise in green house gases is attributed to us burning coal and oil, which, while carbon, have been out of the climate cycle for millions of years. If we burn a tree, we only put CO2 back into the atmosphere that was, for all intents and purposes, already there, having only been absorbed a few decades earlier.

[longriver]

there is an A-Z guide to Copenhagen Summit 2009, hope it helps.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...260240010.html
http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/sh...8772#post18772