Originally Posted by Bolshevik

Hey, I just registered and thought I'd introduce myself. I couldn't find an intro forum, but I guess this one will do since I've seen some other people have posted their's here aswell. I'm a 14 year old English communist. And before someone attacks me for my age, I am actually quite well informed on the subject of politics, and I didn't just become a communist because I thought it was cool. I arrived at my current ideology a few months ago, when I began to research about communism and the various branches of it. Prior to that, I considered myself a Social Democrat, so I guess I've always been on the left-wing side of politics.

I also agree on the subject of English, Scottish and Welsh independence. The celtic nations have suffered for far too long under English imperialism, and I believe that they need their independence to become truly free from it. I'm also an anti-theist and atheist, I often find religion to be idiotic, offensive and at times even just plain innapropriate.

Anyway, I hope to enjoy discussing things with you guys, and please don't think that because of my young age that my opinions are irrelevant, heh..

Welcome to the forum. That said, which of the communist failures so impressed you that you advocate for communism?

Originally Posted by Don

Welcome to the forum. That said, which of the communist failures so impressed you that you advocate for communism?

The only failure I can think of would be Gorbachev, who is now a capitalist. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin were all good communists. Stalin did have his flaws, like any leader does, but he did a lot of good for the USSR and it's people in my opinion, and managed to expose Nazism as the racist crap that it truly is. No single figure inspired me to become a communist. Instead, capitalism made me become a communist. The extreme amounts of poverty and inequality that capitalism creates was so disgusting to me that I had to find an alternative. And that alternative was communism.

Originally Posted by Bolshevik

The only failure I can think of would be Gorbachev, who is now a capitalist. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin were all good communists. Stalin did have his flaws, like any leader does, but he did a lot of good for the USSR and it's people in my opinion, and managed to expose Nazism as the racist crap that it truly is. No single figure inspired me to become a communist. Instead, capitalism made me become a communist. The extreme amounts of poverty and inequality that capitalism creates was so disgusting to me that I had to find an alternative. And that alternative was communism.

I was speaking of communist countries, the failures that they are, not individuals. You want individuals - Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Castro, Kim Jong iL, and the list goes on, were or are mass murders. Fine lot of heroes you have there.

Yeah, Stalin had 'flaws'. Is 'flaws' the new code word for murder on a massive scale? There is a vast difference between communism as a theory and it being a workable system. You want to be taken seriously around here, you're going to have to do a bit better than that.

Originally Posted by Don

I was speaking of communist countries, the failures that they are, not individuals. You want individuals - Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Castro, Kim Jong iL, and the list goes on, were or are mass murders. Fine lot of heroes you have there.

Yeah, Stalin had 'flaws'. Is 'flaws' the new code word for murder on a massive scale? There is a vast difference between communism as a theory and it being a workable system. You want to be taken seriously around here, you're going to have to do a bit better than that.

No need to attack me about it. Pol Pot and Kim Jong il? Sure, they're "mass murderers", I never said I supported them. Stalin? Yes, he did some terrible things I suppose, but overall he was quite benefitial to the USSR. Mao? He himself was not responsible for a lot of things that the Chinese communists did, just because he wasn't elected doesn't mean he is automatically responsible for everything bad that happens under his regime. Che, Castro? Are you serious? Che was a revolutionary. Are you going to call those who participated in, let's say, the Hungarian revolution mass murderers too? They surely murdered some people who didn't deserve to die aswell, but no one complains about that. Castro was definitely one of the more "relaxed" communist leaders. Notice how Cuba is the only communist country to have survived to the modern day with it's entire socialist system intact.

And if you want to have a serious debate, using the "Communism doesn't work" argument isn't a very good idea.

Originally Posted by Bolshevik

No need to attack me about it. Pol Pot and Kim Jong il? Sure, they're "mass murderers", I never said I supported them. Stalin? Yes, he did some terrible things I suppose, but overall he was quite benefitial to the USSR. Mao? He himself was not responsible for a lot of things that the Chinese communists did, just because he wasn't elected doesn't mean he is automatically responsible for everything bad that happens under his regime. Che, Castro? Are you serious? Che was a revolutionary. Are you going to call those who participated in, let's say, the Hungarian revolution mass murderers too? They surely murdered some people who didn't deserve to die aswell, but no one complains about that. Castro was definitely one of the more "relaxed" communist leaders. Notice how Cuba is the only communist country to have survived to the modern day with it's entire socialist system intact.

And if you want to have a serious debate, using the "Communism doesn't work" argument isn't a very good idea.

Did I hurt your feelings? I never attacked you. If you think that was a personal attack, be very glad Pauli and some others aren't around nowadays. If I had said you're an idiot, that would be a personal attack, but I didn't say that.

I'll take your last point first. It is, in fact, a great argument. Show me one that works, has been successful. Why champion a system that has never worked except as a cover for a dictatorship? Why champion a system that, by it's very nature, crushes the spirit of human nature, of freedom?

As to the rest. To say that Stalin had 'flaws' and "...he did some terrible things I suppose...", are two of the most ridiculous understatements ever. You sound as if you're discussing bad table manners. Mass murder is more than a 'flaw'. Mao was responsibile for more death than Stalin. Pol Pot was an amatuer compared to those two. Che and Castro were revolutionaries, but they are/were mass murders. Castro's prisons ran red with the blood of the executed, the vast majority without benefit of trial. Guess who was in charge of the executions...Che, may he rot in hell, got the ending he so richly deserved. Revolution is a great cover for a psychopath.

Cuba survives because it is a totalitarian dictatorship, not a worker's paradise. Just so I won't later be accused of having a hidden agenda concerning Cuba, I am half Cuban.

Originally Posted by Bolshevik

Hey, I just registered and thought I'd introduce myself. I couldn't find an intro forum, but I guess this one will do since I've seen some other people have posted their's here aswell. I'm a 14 year old English communist. And before someone attacks me for my age, I am actually quite well informed on the subject of politics, and I didn't just become a communist because I thought it was cool. I arrived at my current ideology a few months ago, when I began to research about communism and the various branches of it. Prior to that, I considered myself a Social Democrat, so I guess I've always been on the left-wing side of politics.

I also agree on the subject of English, Scottish and Welsh independence. The celtic nations have suffered for far too long under English imperialism, and I believe that they need their independence to become truly free from it. I'm also an anti-theist and atheist, I often find religion to be idiotic, offensive and at times even just plain innapropriate.

Anyway, I hope to enjoy discussing things with you guys, and please don't think that because of my young age that my opinions are irrelevant, heh..

Hi Bolshevik, and welcome to the Politics Forum!

To start with you might like to read the extended "Welcome" message in the Rules and Guidelines section of the forum, which also includes a full version of the Forum Rules.

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Perhaps you’d care to formally introduce yourself, which you can do here, or optionally tell us a little bit more about yourself here.

As far as your support of communism is concerned, all I can say is it's a good example of the naivety of youth and a lack of understanding of both real world economics and natural human behaviour. There's not been one single communist country which either hasn't already failed due to a mixture of social revolution and economic collapse - Russia and all of the former communist Eastern European countries - or is being held together in poverty and isolation by repressive government - Cuba and North Korea - or which has adopted a free market approach to its economic policies in order to survive and prosper - China.

Originally Posted by Bolshevik

Hey, I just registered and thought I'd introduce myself. I couldn't find an intro forum, but I guess this one will do since I've seen some other people have posted their's here aswell. I'm a 14 year old English communist. And before someone attacks me for my age, I am actually quite well informed on the subject of politics, and I didn't just become a communist because I thought it was cool. I arrived at my current ideology a few months ago, when I began to research about communism and the various branches of it. Prior to that, I considered myself a Social Democrat, so I guess I've always been on the left-wing side of politics.

Hello Bolshevik and welcome to the forum, we’re rather light on left wing contributions at the moment so it is good to have you with us! I have moved this thread to the introduction section as I’m a mod here (the token lefty currently), so if you have any problems do not hesitate to contact me, but am currently having major pc issues – hence not having said hello earlier and tempered the exchange going on here, please remember gentlemen, though it may have been very long ago for most of you, the quote about being young with no heart and old with no brain! All that being said I have to admit to finding your rather glib replies about Stalin quite worrying. The Left does itself no favours when it ignores the glaringly obvious, namely that the twentieth century experiments in Communism were responsible for far more and worse atrocities than Hitler, Mussolini, Franco et. al. Could someone do the honours and point the lad in the direction of old threads on why Communism doesn’t/does work (my old machine’s not up to searching at the moment) please?

I also agree on the subject of English, Scottish and Welsh independence. The Celtic nations have suffered for far too long under English imperialism, and I believe that they need their independence to become truly free from it. I'm also an anti-theist and atheist, I often find religion to be idiotic, offensive and at times even just plain inappropriate.

I agree with you on the independence issue, believing firmly in self determination etc., not so much with the atheism bit but anti-theism would fit rather nicely with the whole communist thing you’ve got going on.

Anyway, I hope to enjoy discussing things with you guys, and please don't think that because of my young age that my opinions are irrelevant, heh..

There’s no age restriction here so as long as your posts are well thought out you shouldn’t worry. There will however be a fair amount of patronising from time to time I am sure (if they can manage it on a 36 year old woman you’ve no chance, but generally they are a friendly and well meaning bunch so feel free to ignore it as I do ) as a young left-winger with an interest in politics it’s something you’ll need to be prepared for at all times anyway so your time here should serve you well!

Originally Posted by Opinionated

Could someone do the honours and point the lad in the direction of old threads on why Communism doesn’t/does work (my old machine’s not up to searching at the moment) please?

Bolshevik, I haven't got time to at the moment, but if you haven't found the appropriate thread yourself, or if someone else hasn't pointed you in the right direction by the time I'm next online, I will do so - or re-explain it.

There’s no age restriction here so as long as your posts are well thought out you shouldn’t worry. There will however be a fair amount of patronising from time to time I am sure (if they can manage it on a 36 year old woman you’ve no chance, but generally they are a friendly and well meaning bunch so feel free to ignore it as I do ) as a young left-winger with an interest in politics it’s something you’ll need to be prepared for at all times anyway so your time here should serve you well!

You think some of us can be patronising at times do you young lady? How could you think such a thing; words fail me, they really do.....

Hi,

One has to wonder which type of mass murderer Bolshevik wishes to portray as a Communist achievement!

Perhaps Uncle Jo who kept Russia and its satellites in mass poverty and killed 20>50M of his own people and put in place scheme after scheme that was a catastrophy.

Perhaps he espouses the Communism of Mau which dragged China back into the iron age makingb 'pig' in smelters in their back yards, with no health structure and the only infrastructure one that denuded the countryside and gave rise to Communist misery - whilst the great leader raped 12 year old girls provided by the state on a nightly basis.

Perhaps he welcomes the catastrophic Communism of Cuba that has kept the country locked into the failing 1950s despite his having ensured the murder of that middle/upper class self indulgent scum Che Guevara in Bolivia.

Perhaps he would rather the brutal communism that is steadily starving the people of North Korea back into the stone age.

Or perhaps the type of Communism of Mugabe that has all but destroyed Rhodesia and left its peoples outright owned by China as with the Chinese Communism that ensures we are unable to even truy to bring any kind of peace to Zaire, Sudan, Somalia, Congo, Rwanda and others.

Perhaps it was the flowery Communism of Marks & Engel that was produced as a result of capitalist generosity in London as they wrote up the concepts provided by the Cathars into the jingoistic drivel known as Das Capital which is childish, unworkable cr@p.

Might it be the Communism of Leon Trotsky that was so popular he fled his own concepts to hide in Mexico where he was hunted down by Communists and murdered.

Perhaps the romantic appeal of the imbecilic Lenin whose idea for governance was to murder the people who were ruling the country despotically steal all their assts and then bribe a gang of chums to rule the country despotically.

Might it be the Communism of the illiterate idiot Nikita Kreuschev who in his expansionism nearly plunged the planet into armagedon and oversaw yet another lurch into poverty for mother Russia under the guise of yet another 'great leap forward' pogrom.

Communism is nothing more than a system of greed, centralisation and centralised control.

Rather similar to the new centralised Empirate of the largely malign EUropean Dictatorship.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.