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Danielle , I have a question.
Would you support a two State settlement ?
By that I mean the compromise. IE allowing the Palestinian people the right to have an autonomous Palestinian State .
This is a discussion on stop slandering israel's name - 15 seconds within the Israel / Hamas Tension forums, part of the Politics on War and Conflicts Forum category; Hello. My name is Danielle , i'm sixteen years old from Israel, Beer-Sheva. I have to tell you how the ...
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Hello.
My name is Danielle , i'm sixteen years old from Israel, Beer-Sheva.
I have to tell you how the few last days look like to me, and to all south-Israel residents.
the 30 of December:
Waking up in 7:00AM.
no.. i'm not going to school-
no.. today it wasn't the alarm clock that woke me up
it was the siren. the siren, and my little brother that cried loudly because of the siren.
my mom screamed " Danielle! fast!! run for cover!!!"
in the last second I ran for cover and than I heard the explosion.
a missile fell really close to dad's and my friends houses.
he didn't answer in his cellphone. i was terrified and scared to death.
and than i understood, for the first time in my whole life -
how Sderot ( a city really close to Gaza ) residents feel like, at least 10 times a day for 8 years.
In beer-sheva, where I live - we have 60 seconds to run for cover.
Sderot have just 15 seconds to run for cover before the missile elxplode.
Sderot resident are suffering from the missiles that getting lucnched from Gaza, for 8 years!!
Israel didn't react for 8 years while Sderot got bombed at least 10 times a day - in a quiet day I mean.
Hundreds of Sderot resident died because of the missiles in this 8 years,
and I won't even mention how much people got injured or lost someone from their family or friends.
few days ago, israel army got in Gaza, and untill now,
they are killing the "Hamas" ( a teror organization, that lunches the missiles on Israel ) elders.
I saw what BBC had to say about the war, and I got to say:
they choose Gaza's side without hearing our side.
ISRAEL ARMY DOSEN'T KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
ISRAEL ARMY JUST BOMBING PLACES WHERE THERE'S AN HIDDEN WEAPONS
AND THEY CALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PLACE BEFORE AND TELL THEM TO RUN FOR COVER BEFORE THEY ARE BOMBING THE PLACE.
the people from Gaza don't tell the whole true, just what they want the world to hear-
because of that I'm sharing with you guys, what we are going through.
This war started because of the Hamas organization,
and the only purpose of this war - is to stop the missile lunching to Israel.
here is a little and censored taste of the 15 seconds run for cover siren in Sderot looks like:
http://sderot.aish.com/SderotPetitions/15Seconds.php
Managers - I will be really thankfull if you won't delete this topic, the public has the right to know the two sides of this war.
and thank you all for readingi'm here to answer question if you want.
love from Israel, Danielle <3
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Danielle , I have a question.
Would you support a two State settlement ?
By that I mean the compromise. IE allowing the Palestinian people the right to have an autonomous Palestinian State .
Hi and welcome to the Forum Danielle,Originally Posted by Danielle..
Hello.
My name is Danielle , i'm sixteen years old from Israel, Beer-Sheva.
Managers - I will be really thankfull if you won't delete this topic, the public has the right to know the two sides of this war.
and thank you all for reading
love from Israel, Danielle <3
Your topic makes interesting reading and viewing , the effects of the many Rocket attacks on Israel gets little coverage so it is informative to see a different perspective presented on this forum.
As long as you add original comments and do not repeat post the information you can start as many topics as you like.
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I'm only sixteen and my english isn't that good so I hope I understood right your question.
we gave the palestinian people Gaza - which is a really big place.
we geve them Gush-katif and alot of other places when Ariel Sharon was the prime minister.
the problem isn't that we don't want the palestinian.
we compromised alot of times, and they gave us nothing but missiles.
at this moment, i don't believe them and i don't trust them.
they say things to get peace and territories, but in the reality they do the exact opposite.
let me ask you a question.
if you were a president who compromised so much times with people who doesn't keep their agreements with you..
would you give them so much territories and such big authority?
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I thank you very much for the warm recieving
today i saw on TV people from UK that compares Isrealians to nazis.
i felt so bad about it. the world just don't know what we are going through right here because Gaza , and i got insulted personally - as someone that half of her family was killed by nazis.
In that very moment - I worte here this thread.
The actions of both sides provoke some extreme reactions , the views you heard expressed are in no way representative of the vast majority of the UK population. Most people have sympathy with all people that are suffering at this moment .I thank you very much for the warm recieving
today i saw on TV people from UK that compares Isrealians to nazis.
i felt so bad about it. the world just don't know what we are going through right here because Gaza , and i got insulted personally - as someone that half of her family was killed by nazis.
In that very moment - I worte here this thread.
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I'm so glad to hear that. I really am!
people forget the isrealian side because we don't tell alot about it,
but it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
while i'm here, i'm going to look for Sderot residents stories.
The world need to hear the stories from them, they have just 15 seconds to run for cover for 8 years, and almost no one knows about them.
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Hello.
My name is Danielle , i'm sixteen years old from Israel, Beer-Sheva.
I have to tell you how the few last days look like to me, and to all south-Israel residents.
the 30 of December:
Waking up in 7:00AM.
no.. i'm not going to school-
no.. today it wasn't the alarm clock that woke me up
it was the siren. the siren, and my little brother that cried loudly because of the siren.
my mom screamed " Danielle! fast!! run for cover!!!"
in the last second I ran for cover and than I heard the explosion.
a missile fell really close to dad's and my friends houses.
he didn't answer in his cellphone. i was terrified and scared to death.
and than i understood, for the first time in my whole life -
how Sderot ( a city really close to Gaza ) residents feel like, at least 10 times a day for 8 years.
In beer-sheva, where I live - we have 60 seconds to run for cover.
Sderot have just 15 seconds to run for cover before the missile elxplode.
Sderot resident are suffering from the missiles that getting lucnched from Gaza, for 8 years!!
Israel didn't react for 8 years while Sderot got bombed at least 10 times a day - in a quiet day I mean.
Hundreds of Sderot resident died because of the missiles in this 8 years,
and I won't even mention how much people got injured or lost someone from their family or friends.
few days ago, israel army got in Gaza, and untill now,
they are killing the "Hamas" ( a teror organization, that lunches the missiles on Israel ) elders.
I saw what BBC had to say about the war, and I got to say:
they choose Gaza's side without hearing our side.
ISRAEL ARMY DOSEN'T KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
ISRAEL ARMY JUST BOMBING PLACES WHERE THERE'S AN HIDDEN WEAPONS
AND THEY CALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PLACE BEFORE AND TELL THEM TO RUN FOR COVER BEFORE THEY ARE BOMBING THE PLACE.
the people from Gaza don't tell the whole true, just what they want the world to hear-
because of that I'm sharing with you guys, what we are going through.
This war started because of the Hamas organization,
and the only purpose of this war - is to stop the missile lunching to Israel.
here is a little and censored taste of the 15 seconds run for cover siren in Sderot looks like:
http://sderot.aish.com/SderotPetitions/15Seconds.php
Managers - I will be really thankfull if you won't delete this topic, the public has the right to know the two sides of this war.
and thank you all for reading
love from Israel, Danielle <3
Danielle,Thank you for the post,i will never slander the good name of Israel or the Israelis.Israel will prevail in its defence and its prosperity as a result of the hard working Israeli people.The Palestinian terrorists are envyous of Israels sucess and are too lazy to be sucessfull themselves,so they try to take your lands for short term wealth without the hard work that is needed to suceed!!!!!!
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i'm so happy right now!!!!!!!
i think you are so right!
i'm so happy and glad to hear that, and sorry for saying that you slander the name of Israel - I didn't mean that it's specific you
but after I saw on the TV some people from UL that called us nazis I was really apset.
that's why I was so happy and so thankfull to read your relply.
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Agree with most others here. Israel has every right to exist and not have to put up with rocket attacks from Hamas, an organisation that denies Israel's right to exist.
Were rockets fired on any other nation in the world from without their territory the reaction would be precisely the same. It probably jars even more when it is remembered that the territory in question was relinquished with a will towards the furnishing of a peaceful solution.
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you are absolutly right.. thank all of you guys!
we suffered enough,
and they had their chance to stop murder us like we are ants.
the palestinian children are not going to school either, because they are either dead, injured or their schools were destroyed
none of the palestinians in Gaza are getting any sleep because of the bombs ( each bomb's weight exceed a ton)
but still you don't understand how the residents in Gaza have been suffering for their whole lives, for example one of the injured people i saw today was paralised because of a previous injury caused also by the attacks of occupation forces, maybe if your government didn't break the truce in the first place and may be if it accepted to stop the fire as suggested by France you wouldn't pass through this, but i Know somehow what you are going through during the Attack on Lebanon 2006 i went through a horrifying period when i was watching Lebanese civilians in different regions being murdered and injured and the sound of the bombs was also so horrifying and kept me awake all night long
palestinians have no place for cover so their houses are being burried alive under their homes, similar to what happened to the Lebanese civilians in 2006, and ill mention one of the massacares where 55 civilians were murdered in the building that they gathered to sleep in by the bombs one night in QANA, and that was the second massacare in this region because the first was in 1996 where 250 civilians who, also, were sleeping in one of the UN centers in the south were murderd.
the palestinians have been suffering for around 60 years
in only 8 days more than 450 palestinians were murdered and more than 2000 were injured while you where hiding in covers and shelters.
according to the UN report that all media including cnn reported: atleast 55 civilians where the majority are women and chilren were murderd, and that report was about 4 days ago so you do the math regarding the number of civilians that are being murderd and injured till this day.
did you watch cnn or read anything from its website because the massacare today was one of many massacares that occured, i mean the bombing of a mosque while people were gathering to pray knowing that not once a rocket was bombed from a mosque, not once a rocket was found in a mosque.
also i saw a palestinian asking why did a school , which is an american school actually, get bombed and destroyed? and the genitor was murderd, also knowing that no rockets were ever found in any of the schools or universities or farms that are being bombed.
here is a little and censored taste of the 15 seconds run for cover siren in Sderot looks like:
http://sderot.aish.com/SderotPetitions/15Seconds.php
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here is an example regarding the injured children and scared civilians in Gaza
New Year attack on Gaza | Video | Reuters.com
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here is an example regarding the injured children and scared civilians in Gazathe palestinian children are not going to school either, because they are either dead, injured or their schools were destroyed
none of the palestinians in Gaza are getting any sleep because of the bombs ( each bomb's weight exceed a ton)
but still you don't understand how the residents in Gaza have been suffering for their whole lives, for example one of the injured people i saw today was paralised because of a previous injury caused also by the attacks of occupation forces, maybe if your government didn't break the truce in the first place and may be if it accepted to stop the fire as suggested by France you wouldn't pass through this, but i Know somehow what you are going through during the Attack on Lebanon 2006 i went through a horrifying period when i was watching Lebanese civilians in different regions being murdered and injured and the sound of the bombs was also so horrifying and kept me awake all night long
palestinians have no place for cover so their houses are being burried alive under their homes, similar to what happened to the Lebanese civilians in 2006, and ill mention one of the massacares where 55 civilians were murdered in the building that they gathered to sleep in by the bombs one night in QANA, and that was the second massacare in this region because the first was in 1996 where 250 civilians who, also, were sleeping in one of the UN centers in the south were murderd.
the palestinians have been suffering for around 60 years
in only 8 days more than 450 palestinians were murdered and more than 2000 were injured while you where hiding in covers and shelters.
according to the UN report that all media including cnn reported: atleast 55 civilians where the majority are women and chilren were murderd, and that report was about 4 days ago so you do the math regarding the number of civilians that are being murderd and injured till this day.
did you watch cnn or read anything from its website because the massacare today was one of many massacares that occured, i mean the bombing of a mosque while people were gathering to pray knowing that not once a rocket was bombed from a mosque, not once a rocket was found in a mosque.
also i saw a palestinian asking why did a school , which is an american school actually, get bombed and destroyed? and the genitor was murderd, also knowing that no rockets were ever found in any of the schools or universities or farms that are being bombed.
here is a little and censored taste of the 15 seconds run for cover siren in Sderot looks like:
http://sderot.aish.com/SderotPetitions/15Seconds.php
New Year attack on Gaza | Video | Reuters.com
IDF gived repeated warnings to civvies to evacuate,Hamas will not allow this,they use Civvies as a human sheild,if the civvies die or are injured they flood the internet with Photos and videos of the dead.They always seem to have a video camera at hand ,dont they?But people like you fall for their propeganda and develop hatred for Israel and the USA .Palestinians should stop being jealous of Israels sucess and get off their collective lazy backsides and build an economy by hard work and honesty.Hamas wont allow this,so dont vote em in,simple!!!!!!!
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Firstly Danielle I should apologize for not welcoming you the forum. I had an bit of an emergency and had to go out for a while.
So welcome to the forum
I can understand your English very well ( it's to your credit )
I am a firm believer in the two State settlement and have been critical of Israeli policy towards the Palestinian people and US meddling in the situation there.
It is good to have an Israeli here to give their side of the story. There are always two sides to a story.
I think that both sides should try to build a lasting peace for all people of the area.
Security for Israel and dignity for the Palestinians.
I think that these are the two biggest concerns and none of them will happen until people understand that the Israeli and the Palestinian want the same thing and suffer the same worries.
People are people, there are good and bad in all peoples. Both sides need leaders who will work towards what I have said .
To answer your question
People break agreements for reasons and through bad leaders and both sides need to find leaders who can keep agreements.
The more violence the less likely finding such people and reaching those agreements.
I feel sad for people on both sides and am really sorry that you are a victim of it and hope you will be safe in such scary times.
Life is miserable for the Palestinians in Gaza too and as I type there will be a sixteen year old just like you who is also scared of the Israli army in their house/street. I am sure you already think of this but violence makes more violence and makes everyone more , not less , scared.
If I could I would call for the Palestinian people to have a country of their own and instead of the money spent on arms by Israel I would call for it to be used for the building of the Palestinian country so Palestinians could enjoy a better life with jobs and schools just like you have.
If that could happen I would ask people on all sides to respect the right that each have their own country. And not to have future generations suffer the same lives that the people there do right now.
I hope that answers your question Danielle
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Hello Danielle.
I think I can say without much contradiction from anyone that we're all appalled by the violence, particularly towards civilians (whether intentional or not) that's going on in Israel and Palestine right now. I can't imagine what it would be like to live either side of the border.
Having said that, and trying to be brief, if I could give you just two pieces of advice they'd be:-
1/ Don't believe everything that you read/see/hear in the Israeli media; it's grossly biased towards your own government's point of view. To be fair though, don't believe everything you may see in the Palestinian media either, it's equally biased to their point of view. Try to read a number of different perspectives from outside the country in order to get as balanced a view of what's going on as possible. The more you read, the more balanced it's likely to be.
2/ Do your homework into the origins of the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict and try to be objective about it; neither side is 'right' and there have been a great many injustices done, especially in the last 50 years. There's been quite a lot said about that here; how balanced you might find it I don't know, but I suspect you'll find a great deal more objectivity, if not support, from within the UK than from within the US, who have a vested (political) interest in supporting your country, right or wrong.
Oh, a third piece of advice - get out as soon as you're able! And I'm sure our thoughts are with you.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
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here is an example regarding the injured children and scared civilians in Gazathe palestinian children are not going to school either, because they are either dead, injured or their schools were destroyed
none of the palestinians in Gaza are getting any sleep because of the bombs ( each bomb's weight exceed a ton)
but still you don't understand how the residents in Gaza have been suffering for their whole lives, for example one of the injured people i saw today was paralised because of a previous injury caused also by the attacks of occupation forces, maybe if your government didn't break the truce in the first place and may be if it accepted to stop the fire as suggested by France you wouldn't pass through this, but i Know somehow what you are going through during the Attack on Lebanon 2006 i went through a horrifying period when i was watching Lebanese civilians in different regions being murdered and injured and the sound of the bombs was also so horrifying and kept me awake all night long
palestinians have no place for cover so their houses are being burried alive under their homes, similar to what happened to the Lebanese civilians in 2006, and ill mention one of the massacares where 55 civilians were murdered in the building that they gathered to sleep in by the bombs one night in QANA, and that was the second massacare in this region because the first was in 1996 where 250 civilians who, also, were sleeping in one of the UN centers in the south were murderd.
the palestinians have been suffering for around 60 years
in only 8 days more than 450 palestinians were murdered and more than 2000 were injured while you where hiding in covers and shelters.
according to the UN report that all media including cnn reported: atleast 55 civilians where the majority are women and chilren were murderd, and that report was about 4 days ago so you do the math regarding the number of civilians that are being murderd and injured till this day.
did you watch cnn or read anything from its website because the massacare today was one of many massacares that occured, i mean the bombing of a mosque while people were gathering to pray knowing that not once a rocket was bombed from a mosque, not once a rocket was found in a mosque.
also i saw a palestinian asking why did a school , which is an american school actually, get bombed and destroyed? and the genitor was murderd, also knowing that no rockets were ever found in any of the schools or universities or farms that are being bombed.
here is a little and censored taste of the 15 seconds run for cover siren in Sderot looks like:
http://sderot.aish.com/SderotPetitions/15Seconds.php
New Year attack on Gaza | Video | Reuters.com
I never saw in my whole life such alot lies in one message.
98% from the people who got killed in Gaza are from the hamas,
and the other 2% are people that have been asked to run for cover-
but they didn't listen and stay in the place of the warning.
all the Gaza residents.. well - you know just how to whine!
Gaza didn't suffer at all untill now - and now just the Hamas is suffering.
can i proof it to you? well lets see:
Israel army call people that are in some place and tell them to run for cover before their bombing it!
Israel army ONLY bombes places where: 1. there's a Hamas militant or elder.
2. where theres a hidden weapons.
on the other hand - Gaza is bombing Sderot for 8 years in order to hurt\kill inoccent people.
and when the war began?
they are lunching missiels even further!
the only purpose of this war is to destroy lunchers, and Hamas militants.
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first of all i can tell you i'm not listening to everything that the israeli media writes.. i don't need. i know what's happening, don't forget - i live it..!
but on the other hand - i'm really pissed right now.
the palestinians don't stop with filling the media with lies, and whinings.
untill i got here i didn't see even one of the israelian point of view.
but i saw alot of the arabs point of view.
it's pissing me off to see that! they are trying to show the world how poor they are - while theyre not saying the whole true!
before the war - we did nothing to Gaza so it's making me apset when "proud arab" said that the people in Gaza suffering their whole lives. it's so not true. israel came in two Gaza just week ago!
but Gaza in the other hand, bombing Sderot for 8 years! 8 years that Israel didn't react hoping for peace.
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thank you very much for the compliment and for the warm recieving! (:Firstly Danielle I should apologize for not welcoming you the forum. I had an bit of an emergency and had to go out for a while.
So welcome to the forum
I can understand your English very well ( it's to your credit )
I am a firm believer in the two State settlement and have been critical of Israeli policy towards the Palestinian people and US meddling in the situation there.
It is good to have an Israeli here to give their side of the story. There are always two sides to a story.
I think that both sides should try to build a lasting peace for all people of the area.
Security for Israel and dignity for the Palestinians.
I think that these are the two biggest concerns and none of them will happen until people understand that the Israeli and the Palestinian want the same thing and suffer the same worries.
People are people, there are good and bad in all peoples. Both sides need leaders who will work towards what I have said .
To answer your question
People break agreements for reasons and through bad leaders and both sides need to find leaders who can keep agreements.
The more violence the less likely finding such people and reaching those agreements.
I feel sad for people on both sides and am really sorry that you are a victim of it and hope you will be safe in such scary times.
Life is miserable for the Palestinians in Gaza too and as I type there will be a sixteen year old just like you who is also scared of the Israli army in their house/street. I am sure you already think of this but violence makes more violence and makes everyone more , not less , scared.
If I could I would call for the Palestinian people to have a country of their own and instead of the money spent on arms by Israel I would call for it to be used for the building of the Palestinian country so Palestinians could enjoy a better life with jobs and schools just like you have.
If that could happen I would ask people on all sides to respect the right that each have their own country. And not to have future generations suffer the same lives that the people there do right now.
I hope that answers your question Danielle
just for knowing - iv'e got nothing against Gaza. really.
and I'm trying to see both sides.
but I truely think that Israel was too nice to them,
and instead of helping us against the Hamas, theyre whining all day how we are abusing them - something that it's a total lie.
I want finally peace,
but for peace you need both sides
and I start to think that they are just trying to blame us on things we did not do, and I start to think that they are pro-Hamas.
cause we are trying to destroy the hamas and instead of getting help from them we just getting that they are blaming us in fairytales!
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You have the Pro Palestine brigade on your case now Danielle!!!You will soon be subject to the kind of Abuse that any of us Freinds of Israel get on this Forum!!!Stand fast and dont let the B@@@@@@@ grind you down!!!!!Tantal and I are both people you have on side here.
I love Israel and the Israelis,i spent some time in Tel Aviv and did a little travelling to other areas of Israel some years ago,great times,my wife and i hope to visit soon!!!!!
here is an example regarding the injured children and scared civilians in Gaza
New Year attack on Gaza | Video | Reuters.com
IDF gived repeated warnings to civvies to evacuate,Hamas will not allow this,they use Civvies as a human sheild,if the civvies die or are injured they flood the internet with Photos and videos of the dead.They always seem to have a video camera at hand ,dont they?But people like you fall for their propeganda and develop hatred for Israel and the USA .Palestinians should stop being jealous of Israels sucess and get off their collective lazy backsides and build an economy by hard work and honesty.Hamas wont allow this,so dont vote em in,simple!!!!!!![/quote]
did i mention USA????!!!!!!!!
have you ever heard about using the psychological factor during war, such as calling people and threatining them, but lets say that people do leave a region in gaza to another what will happen? they will be bombed in the other region too and that happened before, if you listen to news you would've realized that
this is not the first time you mention jealousy, but since you never answered me before : jelousy is not measurable, have you ever heard one palestinian or any Arab saying that the are jealous from any other country?!!!!!
lazy? you do realize that palestinians are from the top people among Arab to have high degrees in education?
again i ask how can anyone expect the palestinians, where the majority of their land is stolen, to grow their economy if their schools, homes, factories, univirsities, shops etc,,, are being destroyed~!
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It seems you may be unaware or in denial of life for Palestinians Danielle.
The other posters here are right to say that conditions are very much worse for Palestinians than they are for Israelis. I can't believe you live there and don't know that.
Even before the Israeli attacks on Gaza life was/is awful for Palestinians with no sign ever of getting better.
I know you too are in some danger and that's not good but I think the Palestinians are suffering far far more.
Until the area aparthied is changed nothing will change , infact it will get worse
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listen.. the suffer of the palestinians has nothing to do with Israel before the war- they wanted to be indepented and they got it.
during the war i know they are having hard time. but they should only blame their "Hamas".
the Hamas that hiding in innocent people houses etc..
we can't fight a terror organization alone. they should help us, and not make this harder.
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Go to Gaza instead and find out for yourself why there is a pro Palestinian State " brigade " hereYou have the Pro Palestine brigade on your case now Danielle!!!You will soon be subject to the kind of Abuse that any of us Freinds of Israel get on this Forum!!!Stand fast and dont let the B@@@@@@@ grind you down!!!!!
I love Israel and the Israelis,i spent some time in Tel Aviv and did a little travelling to other areas of Israel some years ago,great times,my wife and i hope to visit soon!!!!!
See through the propaganda for yourself
hi danielle
you are saying that GAza civilians have been suffering only a week ago so im going to ask you : does the blockade on gaza mean anything to you? if your media never told you anything about it google it and you will find that Gaza people have no food no water no electricity no medicine etc,,,
and this is only one example of the suffer that those citizians suffered their entire life
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I won't break down against pro palestine and i dont care what they will say!You have the Pro Palestine brigade on your case now Danielle!!!You will soon be subject to the kind of Abuse that any of us Freinds of Israel get on this Forum!!!Stand fast and dont let the B@@@@@@@ grind you down!!!!!
I love Israel and the Israelis,i spent some time in Tel Aviv and did a little travelling to other areas of Israel some years ago,great times,my wife and i hope to visit soon!!!!!
i live here! i know people that are soldiers in the army! i know all the true
and no one can ever change the true, even with fake video on the web.
i really admire you right now!
come to visit in israel you are so much more than welcome you are like family!
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I disagree Danielle.
I think that we would never have seen groups like Hamas in gaza if the two State settlement , which has been on the table for well over 30 years , would have been agreed and had taken place.
What they got wasn't independence in any real way. As I say the problem in the area is largely down to US interference. Israel is a very very big earner for US arms makers.
The money should be spent on the Palestinian State development. If that would have happened years ago I really don't think it would be as bad as it is now , it might have been very much better and we would not be talking about it
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you just can't balme us in that. blame the Hamas.hi danielle
you are saying that GAza civilians have been suffering only a week ago so im going to ask you : does the blockade on gaza mean anything to you? if your media never told you anything about it google it and you will find that Gaza people have no food no water no electricity no medicine etc,,,
and this is only one example of the suffer that those citizians suffered their entire life
Gaza wanted to be indepented - before the war I don't care how they live ok? they got help from israel anyway - it's their problem they spending all their money on missiles to lunch on us.
we are not their bank and if they want to be indepented they should know how to make money, and how to keep it for good causes, not like to build rockets!
Israel allowes Gaza to get humaniterian help so don't tell lies ok?
they just got 10 million dollars from UK to humaniterian help and alot of medications and all of that..
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well this money is invest to fix the damages of the missiles that Gaza is lunching on us.
and by the way - Israel always helped Gaza where she could.
The Hamas is taking their money and they agree,
we can't do nothing with that.
one would've expect your government to learn its leason during the war on Lebanon in which it was defeated by not a whole army no it was defeated by a troop, you can't justify the murder of hundreds of innocent people by saying that hamas is hiding their, same justification used during 2006 war, the houses or centers of hamas leaders are known, also the rockets are not being fired from people houses theyare being fired from regions that have no civilians in. and no matter how much the distruction and the rate of murder reached no Arab citizan will fall to such claim because we are living the war too, (palestinians now lebanese in 2006) .
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here is an example regarding the injured children and scared civilians in Gaza
New Year attack on Gaza | Video | Reuters.com
IDF gived repeated warnings to civvies to evacuate,Hamas will not allow this,they use Civvies as a human sheild,if the civvies die or are injured they flood the internet with Photos and videos of the dead.They always seem to have a video camera at hand ,dont they?But people like you fall for their propeganda and develop hatred for Israel and the USA .Palestinians should stop being jealous of Israels sucess and get off their collective lazy backsides and build an economy by hard work and honesty.Hamas wont allow this,so dont vote em in,simple!!!!!!![/quote]
iv'e got to say my english is really limited.
so i'm so happy your'e here! you just said exactly what i wanted to say but couldn't.
you rockkkkkk! (: you really are!
and everyone here, that want me to answer on something he worte - please keep your words simple - cause half of what you write i can't understand and than I answer bad answers. please, keep it simple.
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i already said.
hunderds of inoccent people doesn't got killed.
98% of the people who got killed was from the Hamas.
the other 2% is people who got warned and didn't follow the directions.
it doesn't matter what you say.. me and alot of people know the true.
and the true is - that Gaza bombed Sderot for 8 years with no reaction from Israel , and now we got tired of it , so we are trying to destroy the Hamas - with no help from Gaza side.
They are using inoccent pepople as a human shield and than you take pictures of it and blame Israel.
All the people that working with the Hamas just preventing themselves from living normal life - and they preventing our helping efforts.
if you don't care how they live why do you expect me to care about what you are going through,haaah?!!!!! who said that palestinians have been spending their money on missiles?!!!!!!!! did the people standing in lines to get some bread run out of money becuase they bought a rocket with the last dime they have? i don't think so, it is because of the blockade
why was the ship that was called dignity attacked and not allowed to settle in gaza then?
btw ive been proving my points since the start using none palestinian resources youve been giving opinions so whose the lier
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listen.. i dont understand half of what you say ok??if you don't care how they live why do you expect me to care about what you are going through, btw ive been proving my points since the start using none palestinian resources youve been giving opinions
haaah?!!!!! who said that palestinians have been spending their money on missiles?!!!!!!!! did the people standing in lines to get some bread run out of money becuase they bought a rocket with the last dime they have? i don't think so, it is because the blockade
why did the ship that was called dignity attacked and not allowed to settle in gaza then?
im sixteen, i don't know english that good -
believe me if im proving your points it's only because i didn't know how to put my opinions in words.
tommorow when I get up (if i get to sleep bacuse of that war) i'll answer all your questions and you'll see my side.
if you want to have a fair debate about the situation please write with simple words.
see you tommorow. I hope.
BNP Forum Member
Hey Danielle you absaloutly right on a lot of things here, mainly yes the media or rather the BBC (NEWS) focuses on the suffering of Palestinians but doesnt give much coverage for those in Israel. There are 2 sides to every story but it seems the media have already chosen thier side, i would put it down to Israel being the strongest Country out of the two. The Media wants us to feel sorry for the weaker less advanced Nation.
But as a Brit i support Isreal, i dont think a ceasefire will sort anything. It will only be a matter of time before it kicks off again. I think Israel is seeing this and this time have decided to try and irradicate the problem with Hamas, rather than agree to a ceasefire and let it all happen again.
We need to Close the gates, Shops closed.
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The only chance Palestinians have of peace is to reject Hamas and the hatred of Israel. There is little doubt that the consensus of feeling worldwide is that Hamas has brought these problems upon the innocents among the Palestinian population.
The parallels with Ireland have been drawn many times, but the Republican recognition that violence is not the answer to problems within Northern Ireland have almost unanimously been recognised.
For now Israel must end the unprovoked rocket attacks by military force, the free world supports this, but the day when both Palestinian and Israelite can safely sleep in their beds without the threat of violence must be a universal priority.
Yes bnpneedsyou, I agree about the BBC not representing the majority view, yet again.
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again i'm sorry for my lame english
i'm really happy to know about people with opinions like yours!
it makes me feel like theres justice in this world.
i'm going to sleep, but just for knowing - I really appriciate the fact that there are people who don't believe lies and see the picture as it is.
i am using simple words
cu tomorrow
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good morning proud arab.i am using simple words
cu tomorrow
now when I finally got to sleep after a week without it,
I'll try to answer all your questions in a way that you can understand my opinion without any mistakes .
as someone who lives in Israel, know Israelian soldiers and people from Sderot , I know whats really going on.
the purpose of this war is to destroy missiles lunchers, and Hamas militants and elders.
the Israelian army hit just two targets :
1: places with hidden weapons.
2: places where there's Hamas militants or Hamas elders.
if inoccent people are in place where there's Hamas militants\ elders the Israelian army calls them and giving them an notice to evacuate immediately... the inoccent people who got killed is people who got the calls and notice and didn't do nothing but stay in the place.
you tell me about the people in Gaza don't sleep for a week.
so you know what?!?! Sderot people can't sleep for 8 years cause Gaza is lunching all the time for 8 years missiles on them! and they have just 15 seconds to run for cover!!
Gaza made this war not us - we can't be bombed for such a long time and let inoccent people of us die for 8 years!
you tell me that the Israelian army is killing inoccent people.
so explain the fact we call them and warned that we are going to bomb the place - and they are staying in this very place - and they always have cameras! don't tell me they are not planing this cause it will be a big lie..
how come they always have cameras huuhh?! it's just a plan to show the world are poor they are don't they??
and about the economic situation..
how come Gaza residents has no bread - but they have missiles?!?!
as far as i know missiles are way expensive than bread!!
it just shows you on what they prefer spent their money on!
and again for the inoccent people.. -
the inoccent people from Gaza that got killed knew they should run for cover but they chose do no to.
on the other hand -
Gaza is lunching missiles in order to hurt and kill inoccent people.
let me tell you something.
in Sderot for 8 years alot more inoccent people die because of Gaza!
in Gaza even a half of this number didn't die - and they choose to die, they had the option to run for cover when the army told them to do that before the bombing.
enough with the lies. enough!
...or is nature 'racist'?
Hi Danielle,
Our TV media has been shamefully biased for a number of years now.
BBC report damns its ‘culture of bias’ - Times Online
Israel has the right to defend itself. Hamas is the enemy of the Palestinians - not Israel.
So far the liberal-left media have been determined to give the Palestinians every excuse to blame anything but the root cause while Hamas continue their sickening wage-war-by-human-shield strategy and that is what perpetuates this misery. I'm not brainwashed by the liberal-left media and many others are not. I'm sorry Britain seems so hostile to Israel but you have to understand Britain is disappearing. We are being Islamified bit by bit each year.
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even tough my english is a lil bit lame, i think i understood what you say.
anyway i glad your'e thinking it's not our problem - i totally agree.
we just want to live in peace finally. with no wars - or people who hate us for being jews.
Chancellor
Danielle, I for one am getting a bit confused as to exactly what it is that you want from us here.
If it's an agreement that the Israeli people are suffering from the violence with Hamas, yes, you'd certainly get that, but in just the same way that ProudArab would get the same agreement about the people suffering in Palestine at the hands of the Israelis.
If you want an agreement that the violence is not the fault of Israel, I'm afraid you won't get it, again in the same way that ProudArab wouldn't get an agreement that it wasn't the fault of the Palestinians.
You said earlier that you did read media from outside Israel; good for you, however it still seems that you don't believe much other than the official Israeli propaganda, quite naturally I suppose seeing as you live there and on an every day basis are surrounded only by 'your' side of it. But if you want to understand what's going on, you need to step outside and try to be more objective. I know it's been posted before, but a little very simplified history.
Israel's claim to existence is based on the fact that the land was occupied by the early Jewish people about 2,500 years ago. No disputing that fact. However the original occupants were scattered around the Middle East by successive waves of occupation by invaders such as the Romans and the Assyrians to name just two. At no time between around that time and 1947 was there a clearly defined territory called Israel which was occupied by the descendants of the original occupants.
Palestine's existence goes back to the time of the Romans when it first became a so-called territory, populated by an indigenous ethnic and religious mix of people. Since then, whilst Palestine mightn't have always had the same name, it has been continuously occupied by the descendants of the same people.
On that basis alone, most people who are objective would say that the greater claim to the land was that of the Palestinian people, however the powers that be decided that the Jewish people should have their own homeland called Israel and that in doing so, the Palestinians would have to give up some of their historical territory. Yet those very same Palestinians who'd continuously lived in the region for 2,000 years weren't given the same rights as the Israelis. A fairly obvious cause for resentment.
OK, we can't go back and undo what's been done, however ever since 1947 the Israelis have been fighting to gain more and more land outside of the original boundaries they were given. That land has been at the expense of the Palestinians, and despite being internationally condemned for doing so and being forced to draw back their boundaries, the Israeli government, backed by the USA for its own political ends, has been continuously trying to exclude the Palestinian people from their own land.
Not only has that been widely condemned and declared illegal on its own, but they've tried to do so by cutting off electricity, water, food supplies, even emergency humanitarian and medical aid. And they wonder why the Palestinians are angry! It's little wonder that extreme organisations like Hamas have become so popular and so supported, the people in the occupied territories are being forced to live in appalling conditions.
Until Israel accepts that it is not entitled to take even more land from the Palestinian people and until it agrees to give what occupied land it currently possesses back to Palestine, and until it, and the USA, accepts that the Palestinian people have as much right as Israel does to live in their own country free from the constant threat of invasion and harassment, nothing will change.
If you, as a young Israeli fail to understand that, regardless of the exceedingly tenuous religious claims to the land (but that's another topic), I'm afraid that this tit for tat violence will continue, and more and more countries will become polarised either for or against one side or the other. I'm sure that's not what you really want.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
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listen. i don't search for agreement with no one.
i know the true, and all the residents in israel know it too.
i don't say that the plastinian don't suffer - cause it's not true.
i'm just saying we suffered for 8 years, and in this very week of war -
and they are suffering just in this very week.
israel trying to destroy the Hamas and the palestinians aren't acooperate ..
israel army gives inoccent people a notice to run for cover -
so inoccent people wouldn't die - and they choose to ignore it and than whine on how we are kill inoccent people.
yeah.. i'm sorry to tell you - it's pissin me off real bad,
i hate injustice and lies. srry for being a person who like justice!
but i thought that last morning you woke up by the sound of siren which means that you have been sleeping
but i asked for facts but any way ill go on and read your point of view as i always do
i made it clear before that in war there's the psychological factor where occupation forces threaton people to make them scared and afraid thinking that this way they will make them an easy target, however even if people left the area and went to another they will get bombed in the another place and that happened, because the bombs are being fired on all gaza not just a small spot. and in none of the targets any rockets were found, including mosques, schools, universtities, and even hospitals!!!!!
i already answered this point before so go back and read
during 11 september a guy had camera how come he had a camera huuuh? besides to you expect a whole nation without food and water to have enough techniques to make up the videos that we see or are they murdering each other and getting it cought on tape!!!!!!!!!!
also in lebanon i have lived the war so don't underestimate out suffering
i already told u to google about gaza blackade
i told you before that hamas was not the one who broke the truce, it was the occupation forces who killed 6 palestinians in 4 and 5 of last november. so don't expect any Arab to watch anyone provking his land
already answered that
yes enough with the lies enough
i rest my case
btw i was also a teenager too during the lebanese war 2006, and also im so happy that i was born and raised in country that, unlike many countries, stresses the importance of learning foreign languages
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but i thought that last morning you woke up by the sound of siren which means that you have been sleeping
but i asked for facts but any way ill go on and read your point of view as i always do
i made it clear before that in war there's the psychological factor where occupation forces threaton people to make them scared and afraid thinking that this way they will make them an easy target, however even if people left the area and went to another they will get bombed in the another place and that happened, because the bombs are being fired on all gaza not just a small spot. and in none of the targets any rockets were found, including mosques, schools, universtities, and even hospitals!!!!!
i already answered this point before so go back and read
during 11 september a guy had camera how come he had a camera huuuh? besides to you expect a whole nation without food and water to have enough techniques to make up the videos that we see or are they murdering each other and getting it cought on tape!!!!!!!!!!
also in lebanon i have lived the war so don't underestimate out suffering
i already told u to google about gaza blackade
i told you before that hamas was not the one who broke the truce, it was the occupation forces who killed 6 palestinians in 4 and 5 of last november. so don't expect any Arab to watch anyone provking his land
already answered that
yes enough with the lies enough
i rest my case
btw i was also a teenager too during the lebanese war 2006, and also im so happy that i was born and raised in country that, unlike many countries, stresses the importance of learning foreign languages
1: i wrote on the 30 of december i woke up at 7:00AM
today is the 4 of january - do the math! ( i gusee that in the country you learned in the importance of learning foreign languages - they forgot to leran you math!! )
2: i won't debate with someone who's twisting everything i say.
srry but untill you understand that the corner has to sides and the palestinians provoked this war i have nothing to talk about with you.
why did you delet your previous reply and replace it by this and why did mine get deleted too ? but anyway i did rest my case long looooong time ago
btw if u wanna talk math im ready for another debate in another thread, and its the simple word learn not leran and as i said in my post that got deleted byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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it wasn't me who deleted my last comment. it's even doesn't make any sense cause your comment deleted too =\...................why did you delet your previous reply and replace it by this and why did mine get deleted too ? but anyway i did rest my case long looooong time ago
btw if u wanna talk math im ready for another debate in another thread, and its the simple word learn not leran and as i said in my post that got deleted byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Moderator message Some posts have been deleted by Moderators as this thread has descended into petty point scoring please debate in a sensible manner .
MP
Hi everybody
I'm talking about a very serious problem
Why every day hundreds of Muslims are killed in GAZA?
Some of them are children and a ordinary people like me and you Baby that's not their fault
they just want live in their area
They just protect their motherland
Today more than 3000 murderd by Isreal !
What do you think about this ?
If you are agree with me sign this petition.
STOP Killing GAZA people .... Petition
sorry , my English is not very good please write your idea With a simple word
Chancellor
I don't think anyone is in disagreement with this; the problem is what's going to be done about it, but I don't think we really need yet another thread on the Israel/Palestine problem.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
Agree Midas, therefore, I have merged UnTouchable's thread into an existing one.
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