haha! I particularly like the word "Notzee" written on the placard!!

Ohhhhhh god. This was such an issue at our school, students being pulled out of class, angry phone calls....They even had to screen the tape before showing it to the students so students were not subject to propaganda. I don't remember there being this much controversy when George Bush talked to students about education. He's the president of the United States for Christ's sake.

Originally Posted by claire

Ohhhhhh god. This was such an issue at our school, students being pulled out of class, angry phone calls....They even had to screen the tape before showing it to the students so students were not subject to propaganda. I don't remember there being this much controversy when George Bush talked to students about education. He's the president of the United States for Christ's sake.

That's because liberals aren't retards so they don't kick up such a massive fuss

I think it has to do more with racism.

Originally Posted by claire

I think it has to do more with racism.

Partially yes, there are still alot of people who don't like Obama because he is black. That was proven during the election.

Originally Posted by DougieG

That's because liberals aren't retards so they don't kick up such a massive fuss

HAHA, yea.

The biggest reason is ignorance in my opinion. The American right is brought up to fear Liberals. Talk to Americans who are right wing, and they will instantly refuse to listen to anything or anyone they believe to be liberal. Some of the members of this forum are happy to admit their hatred for anything that is liberal (or perceived to be).

You say people do not like him because he is black, that does not necessarily make them "racist". It depends on why they don't like him.

I would say a lot of people are cautious over Obama not because he is black, but because he is not a middle aged white guy - He is different, It is an unknown variable in American politics, so people are cautious.

Racism is just a "bad" word to use now a days. Its meaning has been severely diluted


Like Obama said "I was black before the election"

I still think it's racism. Of course he was elected by people who were not racist. But, there is still a large population out there that is racist.

Originally Posted by claire

I still think it's racism. Of course he was elected by people who were not racist. But, there is still a large population out there that is racist.

If we are going go to speculate, should we speculate on this as well.

It was racism that got him elected

i.e. Some Black voters purely voted for him because he is black rather than voting for "the white man".

Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian

If we are going go to speculate, should we speculate on this as well.

It was racism that got him elected

i.e. Some Black voters purely voted for him because he is black rather than voting for "the white man".

To be fair though, as I understand it, the democrats usually tend to get the vast majority of the minorities vote anyway, regardless of their leader.

Originally Posted by JacquesMagique

To be fair though, as I understand it, the democrats usually tend to get the vast majority of the minorities vote anyway, regardless of their leader.

Most likely

Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian

Most likely

Yeah he didn't really increase the Democrats' share of the black vote. What he did do was ensure that more black people turned out in the first place, which obviously upped the numbers, but that's not the same as people switching parties simply because of the leader's race.

Originally Posted by DougieG

Yeah he didn't really increase the Democrats' share of the black vote. What he did do was ensure that more black people turned out in the first place, which obviously upped the numbers, but that's not the same as people switching parties simply because of the leader's race.

No but he got more coming to the Democrats who would have otherwised not vote. These happen to be the minorities [and probably some Americans]


But the point was, racism works in many ways.

Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian

No but he got more coming to the Democrats who would have otherwised not vote. These happen to be the minorities [and probably some Americans]


But the point was, racism works in many ways.

Its not exactly racism. They didn't avoid voting for McCain because he was white. They voted for Obama not just because he was black, but also because he was the only candidate for decades promising an actual change in fortunes for the disadvantaged. I'd personally say AVOIDING voting for someone because of their race is racist, but actively voting for someone of your own rae isn't. For instance, Democrats that switched to McCain because of Obama's race are racist. Although I'm sure there are many racists in the Republican party too, even if Obama had been white they still wouldn't have voted for him so theirs wasn't racist voting.

Originally Posted by claire

Ohhhhhh god. This was such an issue at our school, students being pulled out of class, angry phone calls....They even had to screen the tape before showing it to the students so students were not subject to propaganda. I don't remember there being this much controversy when George Bush talked to students about education. He's the president of the United States for Christ's sake.

Yea but for Christ's sake he is using everything in his power to push his filthy Socialist agenda and many people don't like it.

I don't have any kids in schools but if I did the last thing I would want is for them to be subjected to anything this low life asshole has to say. He has absolutely nothing of value to add to the education of any child in America. All he has is racial and class hate and lies about his agenda.

A bunch of morons may have have voted for the idiot but that doesn't mean he has the right to idoctrinate the children of America with his Left Wing crap.

Did you vote Flash?

Originally Posted by DCFGS3

Did you vote Flash?

Yes I did. Why do you ask?

Originally Posted by DougieG

Its not exactly racism. They didn't avoid voting for McCain because he was white. They voted for Obama not just because he was black, but also because he was the only candidate for decades promising an actual change in fortunes for the disadvantaged. I'd personally say AVOIDING voting for someone because of their race is racist, but actively voting for someone of your own rae isn't. For instance, Democrats that switched to McCain because of Obama's race are racist. Although I'm sure there are many racists in the Republican party too, even if Obama had been white they still wouldn't have voted for him so theirs wasn't racist voting.

I wouldn't consider avoiding someone because of their race [in this context] racist at all. I would say it was avoiding the unknown.


But then again, I just don't like the term so

Originally Posted by flash

Yea but for Christ's sake he is using everything in his power to push his filthy Socialist agenda and many people don't like it.

I don't have any kids in schools but if I did the last thing I would want is for them to be subjected to anything this low life asshole has to say. He has absolutely nothing of value to add to the education of any child in America. All he has is racial and class hate and lies about his agenda.

A bunch of morons may have have voted for the idiot but that doesn't mean he has the right to idoctrinate the children of America with his Left Wing crap.

not even to hear the president tell your kids to work hard in school because one day they are going to be running this country? Still the president.

Originally Posted by claire

not even to hear the president tell your kids to work hard in school because one day they are going to be running this country? Still the president.

I wouldn't want my kids to listen to anything this jerkoff says.

His idea of working hard is to further his dirty Socialist's agenda. He has made that clear many times.

To me he is unacceptable to be in the office so therefore I do not consider him to be my President and I sure wouldn't want my kids exposed to him. As a parent I think I have the right to make that call (if I had young children).

By the way we hardly ever talk about politics in my family. It is not that important and family love transcends any idea on politics. We never argue about politics or hardly ever even discuss it.

I have two very lovely Daughters in Laws. I love them both. Both my sons are Conservative like their parents but both my DILs voted for Obongo. Just earlier this week one of my Daughter in Laws admitted that she made a big mistake by voting for Obongo. I was very pleased when I heard that.

There is hope for America.

Originally Posted by flash

Yes I did. Why do you ask?

Just checking that you weren't one of those republicans who screams about how bad Obama is, but then it turns out they didn't bother voting at all.

I fail to see how the message "Stay in school" is socialist propaganda. This is just Republican scare mongering; "Protect your kids from the Black-Kenyan-Socialist-Liberal!".

This isn't anything new either, George Bush was reading to a class when America was under attack for God sake.

Originally Posted by DCFGS3

Just checking that you weren't one of those republicans who screams about how bad Obama is, but then it turns out they didn't bother voting at all.

I fail to see how the message "Stay in school" is socialist propaganda. This is just Republican scare mongering; "Protect your kids from the Black-Kenyan-Socialist-Liberal!".

This isn't anything new either, George Bush was reading to a class when America was under attack for God sake.

I have mentioned at lest a half a dozen times on this forum that I am not a Republican because the Republican Party is too Liberal for me.

But you voted Republican right? If you don't mind me asking

Originally Posted by DCFGS3

But you voted Republican right? If you don't mind me asking

That is a fair question.

Yes I did vote for McCain in the General Election.

It was a very reluctant vote for the lesser of two evils. I felt dirty afterward but at that time I felt (and I was right) that Obama was a greater threat to the US and so I gave away my vote to the person most able to beat him.

I did not vote my convictions. Instead I voted to keep Obama out of office.

I voted for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries as a protest vote against the Leftward leanings of the Republican Party.

I am essentially a man without a party. The closest party to my convictions is the Constitution Party but they never get more than a small fraction of the vote.

I am not so sure I will be voting again in my life time. I am pass the point where I think the problems of my country can be fixed at the ballot box. Big Government is too entrenched in our lives for any one person or party to make any substantial changes. I think the only way we can restore the Constitution and the Republic is through revolt.

Originally Posted by DCFGS3

This isn't anything new either, George Bush was reading to a class when America was under attack for God sake.

This is the type of anti Bush hate rhetoric that is disgusting. Bush spent seven minutes between the time he was told of the second plane and the time he extracted himself to do the business of the country. A very short time. I doubt any other leader would have reacted any faster. There are some stories of the leaders in Congress like Kerry and Kennedy that did nothing for an hour after the second plane crash.

There are lots of things to complain about Bush, like he refused to seal the border and increased the size of government. Don't be hateful and make stuff up that has no real substance to it.

Originally Posted by flash

This is the type of anti Bush hate rhetoric that is disgusting. Bush spent seven minutes between the time he was told of the second plane and the time he extracted himself to do the business of the country. A very short time. I doubt any other leader would have reacted any faster. There are some stories of the leaders in Congress like Kerry and Kennedy that did nothing for an hour after the second plane crash.

There are lots of things to complain about Bush, like he refused to seal the border and increased the size of government. Don't be hateful and make stuff up that has no real substance to it.

Woah, over reaction much? I think the point was quite simply that Bush went into schools to promote education, in much the same way Obama has done, the fact that it was on September 11th 2001 is irrelevent, beyond the fact it is the reason we remember he did!

Originally Posted by Opinionated

Woah, over reaction much? I think the point was quite simply that Bush went into schools to promote education, in much the same way Obama has done, the fact that it was on Septrember 11th 2001 is irrelevent, beyond the fact it is the reason we remember he did!

Bush was unacceptable to me because he spent a whole lot more money than he took in, increased the sized of government, ran deficits and established entitlement programs. His "No Child Left Behind" (which is what he was promoting on 9/11/01) was a worthless Left leaning program that cost too much money.

Obongo is unacceptable but Bush pretty well screwed this country also with his big spending.

It is just as bad when Bush does it as when Obongo does it.