Why the Labour Party must win this next General Election.

[Niall Warry]

I believe the Labour Party must win the next General Election for the following reasons:-

1. They should have to sort out the mess they got us into.

2. The cuts they would have to impose might split the Labour Party and set in motion the realignment of polictics we need at Westminster.

3. The Tories might split and give us a REAL Conservative Party one that believes in leaving the corrupt undemocratic EU.

Anyone who fears a Labour victory needs to understand two things:-

1. Post Lisbon Treaty the country is now run by EU with our compliant Civil Service carrying out the day to day work. So it matters not who wins at Westminster.

2. As we are virtually bankrupt the IMF via the EU Central Bank will be imposing what we can and can not do.

So think about it the best result in March or May is a small Labour majority which will hopefully result in the shake up at Westminster we need to enable our country to move forward.


I have an initiative in my constituency that can help achieve this and can be viewed at:-

http://niallwarry.blogspot.com

[Barry]

I believe the Labour Party must win the next General Election for the following reasons:-

1. They should have to sort out the mess they got us into.

You make some excellent points, however I think this is the best one.
The way Labour are acting now, a dying government still spending more and more of other people's and other countries cash. (1.5bn promised over the global warming con, + another 4bn added into the PBR)
These are the actions of spoilers who are setting the stage for a collapse, whoever tries to haul us out of the mire.
We will need the "Merlin Gandalf the Grey party" with multiple wands to sort out this level of incompetent financial "leadership".

[Midas]

There's actually a lot of sense in that, however I wonder whether the risks are greater than the potential rewards. The British public seem to have very short memories when it comes to the problems caused by politicians, instead they're all ears for the next 'initiative' which 'might' bring a change, regardless of whether it's good, bad or indifferent.

I have more than a suspicion that things are going to get a lot worse in this country before they get better regardless of which party gets into power at the next elections, but should we risk a worse worse by letting Labour in again in the hope it'll crack the system, or a slightly less worse by having the Tories back?

I think one of the biggest problems we have here, other than an archaic system which no longer fits the requirements of government in the 21st century, is an electorate who, by and large, are both politically and economically ignorant and who are far too easily swayed by the mere whiff of promises. Until that problem is addressed I don't think we'll see many significant changes at all to be honest.

[Niall Warry]

There's actually a lot of sense in that, however I wonder whether the risks are greater than the potential rewards. The British public seem to have very short memories when it comes to the problems caused by politicians, instead they're all ears for the next 'initiative' which 'might' bring a change, regardless of whether it's good, bad or indifferent.

I have more than a suspicion that things are going to get a lot worse in this country before they get better regardless of which party gets into power at the next elections, but should we risk a worse worse by letting Labour in again in the hope it'll crack the system, or a slightly less worse by having the Tories back?

I think one of the biggest problems we have here, other than an archaic system which no longer fits the requirements of government in the 21st century, is an electorate who, by and large, are both politically and economically ignorant and who are far too easily swayed by the mere whiff of promises. Until that problem is addressed I don't think we'll see many significant changes at all to be honest.

There IS NO risk as the EU govern us now and the IMF will tell us what to do.

[JAMC]

They should have to sort out the mess they got us into.

I cannot fathom the opaque logic behind that one.

It's like saying that drunk-drivers should be punished by being forced to drive taxis.

Political parties, in case you'd not noticed, generally want to be in power - giving them exactly what they want isn't in my opinion a fitting punishment for their woeful performance over the last 12 years.

[Niall Warry]

I cannot fathom the opaque logic behind that one.

It's like saying that drunk-drivers should be punished by being forced to drive taxis.

Political parties, in case you'd not noticed, generally want to be in power - giving them exactly what they want isn't in my opinion a fitting punishment for their woeful performance over the last 12 years.

You make a fair point but I think for the synopsis I outline you point doesn't naturally follow.

I want what is BEST for the UK.

I'm not really rewarding Labour by making them have to face the consequences of their incompetence.

The results of Labour getting back would hopefully be a realignment of British politics which is desperately needed.

If Blue Labour get back don't expect anyting of substance to change.

Cameron or son of Blair is a spineless Google Page Ranking spin merchant.

He would be about as useful as PM as an ashtray on a motorbike.

[JAMC]

I want what is BEST for the UK.

Please explain how a continuation of the current Labour govt is in the UK's best interests.

The results of Labour getting back would hopefully be a realignment of British politics

What is your basis for assuming that a Labour victory would realign anything?

[Niall Warry]

Please explain how a continuation of the current Labour govt is in the UK's best interests.

What is your basis for assuming that a Labour victory would realign anything?

Let me clarify.

The LibLabCon do NOT have the answers to our problems and Nu Liebour can do no worse than any of the others due to the outside control exerted over our country. EU, EU Central bank,IMF to name the main ones.

I can not predict that a Nu Liebour win will realign our politics but I feel pretty certain that should Blue Labour win people will relax and assume everything will be OK while the undemocratic EU continues to ruin us.

A Nu Liebour win could be the catalyst we need to shake up ALL the rotten apples at Westminster and end up with something better.

If you think a Blue Labour win will change anything you are placing hope over common sense.

[Tacitus]

There IS NO risk as the EU govern us now and the IMF will tell us what to do.

Then your first post is pointless.

[Niall Warry]

Then your first post is pointless.

Absolutely NOT because the sequence of events is:-

• Nu Liebour win
• Country run by Civil Service and outside agencies.
• LibLabCon party turmoil
• British people finally wake up to how bad things are and how the LibLabCon do NOT have the answers.
• Realignment of British party politics
• Britain decides to leave the EU
• After a difficult couple of years the sun shines every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[octopus]

I believe the Labour Party must win the next General Election for the following reasons:-

1. They should have to sort out the mess they got us into.

2. The cuts they would have to impose might split the Labour Party and set in motion the realignment of polictics we need at Westminster.

3. The Tories might split and give us a REAL Conservative Party one that believes in leaving the corrupt undemocratic EU.

Anyone who fears a Labour victory needs to understand two things:-

1. Post Lisbon Treaty the country is now run by EU with our compliant Civil Service carrying out the day to day work. So it matters not who wins at Westminster.

2. As we are virtually bankrupt the IMF via the EU Central Bank will be imposing what we can and can not do.

So think about it the best result in March or May is a small Labour majority which will hopefully result in the shake up at Westminster we need to enable our country to move forward.


I have an initiative in my constituency that can help achieve this and can be viewed at:-

http://niallwarry.blogspot.com

If Labour wins the next election GOD HELP US! Same goes For Blue Labour, really. Gordon Brown is the worst Prime Minister in living memory - or beyond it. We are bankrupt, society is breaking down, we have to endure double standards with immigrants, with black and Muslims being given priority, commited to a war which we can"t win, even if we wanted to and billions wasted on the EU. I could go on all night; I know who I will be voting for, and if UKIP do live up to your fears - get used to the BNP, because it is the way the British public will go. Why? Because there is nobody else. Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and all the the key players of New Labour, should be put on trial. THEY ARE DISGRACE! UKIP are the only democratic alternative, despite all the negative press.

[Niall Warry]

If Labour wins the next election GOD HELP US! Same goes For Blue Labour, really. Gordon Brown is the worst Prime Minister in living memory - or beyond it. We are bankrupt, society is breaking down, we have to endure double standards with immigrants, with black and Muslims being given priority, commited to a war which we can"t win, even if we wanted to and billions wasted on the EU. I could go on all night; I know who I will be voting for, and if UKIP do live up to your fears - get used to the BNP, because it is the way the British public will go. Why? Because there is nobody else. Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and all the the key players of New Labour, should be put on trial. THEY ARE DISGRACE! UKIP are the only democratic alternative, despite all the negative press.

ALL parties are not worth supporting and I believe you should NEVER vote for a party just because it is the lesser of various evils.

You should never prop up corruption.

If you don't have a good Inedpendent then write on you ballot paper 'Leave the EU'.

Check out my initiatve:-

NiallWARRY

[JAMC]

A Nu Liebour win could be the catalyst we need to shake up ALL the rotten apples at Westminster and end up with something better.

You still haven't really explained to me how the continuation of a labour government would act as a catalyst for anything.

Because people will be so fed up they'll take to the streets and burn westminster?

I must admit I don't really understand it....

[Niall Warry]

You still haven't really explained to me how the continuation of a labour government would act as a catalyst for anything.

Because people will be so fed up they'll take to the streets and burn westminster?

I must admit I don't really understand it....

If Blue Labour get in then the electorate will become complacent.

If Nu Liebour get in the s**t will hit the fan in Nu Liebour as the commies say we have had enough and in Blue Labour the right wingers will say to Dave we have kept quiet long enough and you still lost you utter w**ker.

[JAMC]

The only scenario I can see that would genuinely shake the political establishment to the core is a hung parliament, in which no party can effectively govern the country.

We either enter a period of minority government, or someone does a deal with the Lib Dems, for the price of introducing Proportional Representation - which would open the floodgates and end the labour/conservative monopoly on power that has existed for the best part of a century.

[JAMC]

If Blue Labour get in then the electorate will become complacent.

If Nu Liebour get in the s**t will hit the fan in Nu Liebour as the commies say we have had enough and in Blue Labour the right wingers will say to Dave we have kept quiet long enough and you still lost you utter w**ker.

I think that the "nu-labour imploding" scenario is more likely if the tories get in, actually. The far left has been expelled over the last 30 years, and the moderate left are willing to bite their tongue so long as they stay in government - power is the only thing holding the party together IMO.

If the tories do win outright, I can forsee a period of greatly increased social division, much like the 80's.

[octopus]

ALL parties are not worth supporting and I believe you should NEVER vote for a party just because it is the lesser of various evils.

You should never prop up corruption.

If you don't have a good Inedpendent then write on you ballot paper 'Leave the EU'.

Check out my initiatve:-

NiallWARRY

UKIP has had a very bad press lately. But hasn"t most parties lately, as you say. I don"t think you can not vote, people died for that right. New Labour are slowly eroding our rights: We are not allowed to smoke in public enclosed areas; we are not allowed to criticise ethnic minorites - yet they can critcise us; they don"t allow politicians or indivduals that they don"t approve of, to enter the UK, even if they have no criminal record - Geert Wilders was example of that - although he was allowed in after a court appeal; they brain wash our children in schools, to believe their nonsense, even checking the kids packs, to see if they approve of what their parents have given them for lunch. Just like the nazis did, and the Soviets did, they want total control of the population. I could go on, and on. A vote for Labour is a vote for a semi dicatorship; and they have nerve to critcise the hard right. As for the other two, forget them, they are useless. Indifferent, out of touch, weak and ineffective. Without UKIP, Britain has a bleak future, and almost certainly a hard right party will take control in the end. UKIP deserves a chance. It would be very hard to be worse than New Labour; the last 12 years tell the story as far as most of the population are concerned, including myself. If I live to be 150 years old, I will never vote for them again.

[NewLabour]

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[Niall Warry]

He may pretend to have our interests at heart, but the facts are clear.  He wants to scrap the legal guarantee that gives us four weeks paid holiday, the right to be consulted about changes at work and our entitlement to parental leave – denying the legal right for parents to spend time with their newborn babies in the critical first few weeks. That’s just three examples – but Cameron’s threatening dozens more of your rights.

Sign the petition – send the message that your rights matter and join the thousands of people who are demanding that Cameron scraps his plans to pull out of the Social Chapter.
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VOTE FOR;
-1/3 down on Crime
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-D&D act
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Don’t destroy what has been achieved
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Don’t destroy what will be achieved
Don’t destroy what we can achieve

VOTE LABOUR

The only reason to vote Nu Liebour is to destroy it.

[Major Sinic]

I believe the Labour Party must win the next General Election for the following reasons:-

1. They should have to sort out the mess they got us into.

You surely aren't serious. By this measure, Sir Fred Goodwin and his disgraced co-directors should be re-employed to sort out the mess they engineered at the Royal Bank of Scotland!

2. The cuts they would have to impose might split the Labour Party and set in motion the realignment of polictics we need at Westminster.

The return of a Conservative Government, or even a hung parliament would be much more likely to achieve this.

3. The Tories might split and give us a REAL Conservative Party one that believes in leaving the corrupt undemocratic EU.

They might although the rump that remained would be just another pressure group. The Queen might also abdicate, The Archbishop of Canterbury might become a Muslim and Prince Charles might push for a Republic!

Anyone who fears a Labour victory needs to understand two things:-
1. Post Lisbon Treaty the country is now run by EU with our compliant Civil Service carrying out the day to day work. So it matters not who wins at Westminster.

Not strictly true. National fiscal policy, along with other areas of policy, broadly remains the remit of the national government

2. As we are virtually bankrupt the IMF via the EU Central Bank will be imposing what we can and can not do.

Virtually is not actually, and the IMF will only take set onerous conditions if we do actually need to seek aid through the IMF. This is more likely to happen under Labour's economic policies, than the Conservatives. Perhaps this is what you really want?

So think about it the best result in March or May is a small Labour majority which will hopefully result in the shake up at Westminster we need to enable our country to move forward.

Not so. The agenda of members of disgruntled pressure groups might aim for such an outcome, but it is not in the nation's economic interests.

I have an initiative in my constituency that can help achieve this and can be viewed at:-

http://niallwarry.blogspot.com

[/QUOTE]

This post, in my opinion, appears to fail to display any joined up thinking regarding the electoral cause and effects of the next general election. Mind you I could see how UKIP or Son of UKIP might benefit!

[Major Sinic]

He may pretend to have our interests at heart, but the facts are clear.  He wants to scrap the legal guarantee that gives us four weeks paid holiday, the right to be consulted about changes at work and our entitlement to parental leave – denying the legal right for parents to spend time with their newborn babies in the critical first few weeks. That’s just three examples – but Cameron’s threatening dozens more of your rights.

Sign the petition – send the message that your rights matter and join the thousands of people who are demanding that Cameron scraps his plans to pull out of the Social Chapter.
Unions Together | Cameron's hidden truth

VOTE FOR;
-1/3 down on Crime
-Highest education results ever
-Minimum Wage
-Gurantee of seeing a cancer specialist in 2 weeks
-D&D act
-Equality

Don’t destroy what has been achieved
Don’t destroy what can be acheived
Don’t destroy what will be achieved
Don’t destroy what we can achieve

VOTE LABOUR

Complete fear mongering, based on unsubstantiated rumour mongering from a wholly partisan left wing source, with specific vested interests in the return of a Labour Government.

At least it isn't biased twaddle wrapped up as rational objective and informed dialogue. It is exactly what it seems - biased twaddle!

[angelcountry]

In my own view leadership battle shinanigans must be refute otherwise the tory will take the bullet, all the best.