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    Racist Labour trying to woo voters with tactics that would shame the BNP

    Labour's hypocrisy over migrants: How the party is trying to woo voters with tactics that would shame the BNP | Mail Online

    What Balls is alleged to have said, i got the following from a poster on another forum.
    "It is important that you know that i supported recent moves to update our immigration laws

    The borders Citizenship and immigration act 2009 aims to relieve the pressures on and jobs by managing jobs better

    Perhaps even more importantly - because of concerns about jobs in our area - i am also supportive of the new Australian points system that has been introduced.



    Its quite unbelievable. Racist Labour are the most shocking bunch of hypocritical ponses ive ever come accross.
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    Re: Racist Labour trying to woo voters with tactics that would shame the BNP

    It is time that we acknowledged that the 'old' working class (often second generation unemployed since the 1980's) are at a huge disadvantage when competing for low paid manual work with a significant proportion of economic immigrants. There is a bell curve of intelligence and skills across the population of any country. Most immigrants to this country are economic migrants, most of which come from a much more intelligent and skilled sub sect of their home population, when compared with the 'old' working class in the UK, both white and non-white. It is quite typical for these young migrant workers to: pick up a new language quickly, be proficient in interpersonal skills, have had more skilled positions in their home country before their arrival etc.... They therefore have a huge competative advantage over a significant porportion of our unemployed.
    A responsible government safe guards the basic needs of all of its citizens and should therefore be aiming for full employment in more concrete ways than delivering mission statement after mission statement. If we ignore the issue that I have just described we will continue to politically marginalise the non working and low paid people in this country. In the past the unions and the labour party gave these people a voice and a sense of belonging. They have been abandoned since the 'New Labour' movement took power. Since then they have done nothing to return reasonable powers to our trade unions (despite the rhetoric leading up to the '97 election). During this time the BNP have been on the rise and so have the militant Muslims. Whilst mainstream politics fails to represent the concerns of these groups of economically marginalised UK citizens’ they will seek modes of representation and expression that the bulk us are uncomfortable with at best but also frequently abhorrent.
    In addition we have encouraged a culture of success, success, success through our schools. For those that don't 'succeed' they feel like failures and they are literal ‘failures’. During this time they have been fed completely unrealistic expectations with respect to their futures. “Surprise surprise” if they are given an opportunity for manual work at a relatively low wage they say "I am not doing that, I'm worth more than that!”
    So in response to your question "Does the government need to do more to deal with this issue?" well "yes" is my answer. However have they assessed the problem accurately? What would the impact of an Australian points system be on our country. Australia does not have the same post-industrial landscape as the UK and many of the social issues that go with it. What any point system ignores is how we need to motivate and prepare elements of our society for what they are able to do to contribute towards it. For some that will mean relatively low paid manual work. How low paid will depend on workers ability to defend their right to fair pay.

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    Re: Racist Labour trying to woo voters with tactics that would shame the BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Ready View Post
    It is time that we acknowledged that the 'old' working class (often second generation unemployed since the 1980's) are at a huge disadvantage when competing for low paid manual work with a significant proportion of economic immigrants. There is a bell curve of intelligence and skills across the population of any country. Most immigrants to this country are economic migrants, most of which come from a much more intelligent and skilled sub sect of their home population, when compared with the 'old' working class in the UK, both white and non-white. It is quite typical for these young migrant workers to: pick up a new language quickly, be proficient in interpersonal skills, have had more skilled positions in their home country before their arrival etc.... They therefore have a huge competative advantage over a significant porportion of our unemployed.
    A responsible government safe guards the basic needs of all of its citizens and should therefore be aiming for full employment in more concrete ways than delivering mission statement after mission statement. If we ignore the issue that I have just described we will continue to politically marginalise the non working and low paid people in this country. In the past the unions and the labour party gave these people a voice and a sense of belonging. They have been abandoned since the 'New Labour' movement took power. Since then they have done nothing to return reasonable powers to our trade unions (despite the rhetoric leading up to the '97 election). During this time the BNP have been on the rise and so have the militant Muslims. Whilst mainstream politics fails to represent the concerns of these groups of economically marginalised UK citizens’ they will seek modes of representation and expression that the bulk us are uncomfortable with at best but also frequently abhorrent.
    In addition we have encouraged a culture of success, success, success through our schools. For those that don't 'succeed' they feel like failures and they are literal ‘failures’. During this time they have been fed completely unrealistic expectations with respect to their futures. “Surprise surprise” if they are given an opportunity for manual work at a relatively low wage they say "I am not doing that, I'm worth more than that!”
    So in response to your question "Does the government need to do more to deal with this issue?" well "yes" is my answer. However have they assessed the problem accurately? What would the impact of an Australian points system be on our country. Australia does not have the same post-industrial landscape as the UK and many of the social issues that go with it. What any point system ignores is how we need to motivate and prepare elements of our society for what they are able to do to contribute towards it. For some that will mean relatively low paid manual work. How low paid will depend on workers ability to defend their right to fair pay.
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