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Reply With QuoteWhy is it so hard for people to look upon images like that?
What forces are at work inside them which prompt them to loud accusations of 'racism' and finger pointing?
I think the image should be left where it is.
This is a discussion on Google and the racist picture within the Media forums, part of the Coffee Room category; BBC News - Michelle Obama racist image sparks Google apology I'm undecided on this. I think that its quite worrying ...
BBC News - Michelle Obama racist image sparks Google apology
I'm undecided on this. I think that its quite worrying for google to engage in censorship of any kind, no matter how offensive the material. Surely the image could be filtered so that it only appears when the filter is turned off? Accessible if people want to, but not on obvious view to children or anyone who searches for Michelle Obama.
Say there was a straight choice between keeping it at the top or removing it from google altogether. What do people think would be the best course of action?
EDIT: I have a link to a low-grade copy of the picture if anyone wants it. PM me.
Senior MP
Why is it so hard for people to look upon images like that?
What forces are at work inside them which prompt them to loud accusations of 'racism' and finger pointing?
I think the image should be left where it is.
Its horrifically racist! Would you advocate putting a load of violent pornography where kids can access it? Well I wouldn't put an ignorant and frankly stupid idea in front of them either.Originally Posted by DavidRose
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DougieG is it that offensive that you can't post or is it now your job to censor all content on this forum if so why bother to post the thread Could you pm the picture to me so i can judge for myself thanks?
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When men cease to believe in god, thay do not therefore believe in nothing ,thay then become capable of believing anything. G.K Chesterton
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World goin one way, people another
Google shouldn't try to censor or control the internet, why people assume a Google search should be rated U is beyond me. There's some strange **** out there on them internets. Anyway without having seen the picture I can't really comment on the 'fuss of the day'. One thing I can say though is that of all the reasons for defending the picture its content would be pretty low on my list.
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"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
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Well seeing the mess google has got in, and seeing as this board nearly hit the news once over certain issues, I'd rather keep it private, and not spread a picture that has created such massive controversy. PM me and I'll send you it.
big.davie.g
Having looked for the picture on google with no luck, it does seem to have been removed, as the article on the BBC web site said i just thought it might have been moved, but no such luck.What was interesting was the amount of what i like to call offensive pictures rather than racist The BBC article described the Picture of Michell Obama with a chimps face imposed over her face i even found a picture of Barack Obama with a chimps face imposed over his face. I'm now wonder who decided to make a complaint?and why it was removed when Barack Obama picture is still on Google mmm!? Still was it racist i think not, was it offensive well yes, and thats all it was offensive.
When men cease to believe in god, thay do not therefore believe in nothing ,thay then become capable of believing anything. G.K Chesterton
If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?" William Shakespeare,
The cleverest thing the New World Order has done, is to convince mankind that It's a good thing to be enslaved.
The Fascist
I agree - just make it so that people won't stumble across it.
Banned
Imposing the face of a chimpanzee over michelle Obamas face is racist, stupid and ignorant.The perps mother must be so proud of him.
Senior MP
LOL!
Remember all those centuries of racial science, works written by some of the greatest explorers, anthropologists, philosophers, traders, biologists, etc... All the cartoons and films made about blacks, all the programs in which they were featured, all the opinions and cultural knowledge held about them throughout the Western world, well, for God's sake hide it away somewhere, anywhere, just get it out of sight, we don't need that sh*t fouling up the 'new reality'.
Did i say hide it?
I said so people don't stumble across it, just looking for some other info on the first lady, makes sense doesn't it?
Surely a racist picture shouldn't be a top result?
Or maybe you'd like racism to be put out there more. Maybe we should put the picture on some posters in city centers, billboards, things like that?
Your a fine one to lecture me on racism, you who are against mixed race marriages.
Banned
Pesonally i like Michelle Obama, i wouldnt vote for her of course, she hasnt declared her desire to become a polititian, so i couldnt even if i wanted to.
I also find President Obama a very likable fella, i like his stand on personal responsibility also.
The Bollox who did the chimp face is a racist ****, i guess his Parents are proud!!!
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There have been thousands of images comparing George Bush to a monkey, yet none of them have caused any controversy like this.
George W. Bush or Chimpanzee?
Does he look like a chimp or behave like one? I fail to see the point of this, is it racism?
Sure. Isn't that the kind of thing liberal intellectuals call 'challenging'? If your asking me would I like people to be challenged then the answer's yes. How can anyone know their own mind until they have passed such tests?Or maybe you'd like racism to be put out there more. Maybe we should put the picture on some posters in city centers, billboards, things like that?
badass
monkey=historically racist connotations with black community=possibly racist within certain contexts.
I must be butter because I'm on a roll.
Christian Zionist
You personally like Michelle Obama?
Have you met her?
Does she like you?
And Obama is a "very likeable fella", (notwithstanding his policies, then, especially robbing you to provide healthcare to others who cannot afford insurance.)
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
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Why monkeys?
badass
looks/intelligence thing i guess. ex: porch monkey.
I must be butter because I'm on a roll.
It's actually quite easy to get a picture to the top of Google's image search results. What probably boosted this one was people linking to it to say how disgusting they found it. It's the 'Mary Whitehouse' factor. Whenever the old bird got on the telly to condemn something as 'disgusting' everyone rushed out to buy it...
http://www.topfoto.co.uk/gallery/Lad...vs/1089013.jpg
Playing the innocent Rose?
Your cynical enough, then it comes to racism and you pretend to ahve led a sheltered life.
Senior MP
I want to hear it from you Agent Smith. If it was a peacocks face imposed over Michelle Obama's do you think there would have been any controversy at all?
It certainly seems as though the failure of the white world to object to the mock up of Bush as an act of racism is evidence of the continuing belief - which is in many ways subconscious, instinct-driven and certainly finds its strongest expression in the minds of white liberaldom - that blacks are related to monkeys. That such an apparition is so horrifying to them it must instantly be condemned out of hand, those who perpetrate it accused of the heinous crime of racism, and it removed from public view does not bode well for the future of what has euphemistically become known as 'race relations'.
If not, where were the cries of racism directed at those who satirized Bush? Why is it not racism to superimpose a monkey's face over a white person?
(Innocent, moi? Surely not....).
badass
because historically it has been an insult to bring down the black race. Where in history have there been insults directed toward white people using a monkey?
I must be butter because I'm on a roll.
Because noone uses the term monkey as a racist word towards white people, only as a form of derogatory slang towards them. Racists, on the other hand, will quite happily say that black people are closer to monkeys, that they are less evolved than whites. That's why monkey is racist to use towards a black.
Senior MP
Sure, but I think your tip-toeing around the subject here by suggesting that it is merely an 'insult'.
But for what reason was the connection between blacks and monkeys made in the first place? I know this is a sensitive subject - and there you go - why is it?
Is it their behavior, physical appearance, psychology?
badass
I don't know what I'm tip-toeing around.
I must be butter because I'm on a roll.
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Personally i do like her, the Pres is also a likable fellow, his policies are irrelivant as is his or her race.
I have not met her nor have i met him, it is not the point, but i am sure that you will make it a point.
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Actually Dougie it is a well known fact that Cockney Wankers have often referred to their betters "up North" as Northern Monkeys, better a Northern monkey(black or white or asian) than a southern shandy suppin mothers boy id say!!!
What's your problem with white liberals young David? I'm not one myself but they seem a harmless enough crew who simply want everyone to get on!
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Senior MP
What interests me is why you continue to hold all the views of a liberal but deny that you are one.
Maybe there's something about them that you don't like, perhaps your positions on this forum are only a charade, designed to goad the far-right. Maybe deep down - like most people - you yearn for an authoritarian government that reflects the true nature of the world and can provide leadership in all areas of life, but liberal society has conditioned you to distrust and conceal your own feelings.
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You're either defining 'liberal' idiosyncratically, or you're wrong. For example:
- I oppose free speech for fascists
- I believe some cultures are superior to others
- I dislike a black racist as much as a white one
- A British Muslim caught breaking the law should be hauled before a magistrate and treated no differently from any other citizen
That's just for starters. Such views make a liberal cultural relativist crap his pants!
I admit I enjoy goading the far right. Not in a trolling sense - I don't post untruths designed to make them foam at the mouth - but it is funny exposing their idiocies, hypocrisies and cruelties, and if they respond by soiling their underwear, so much the better.
But there's a long, British tradition of laughing at the far right, going back to PG Woodhouse and WW2 music hall. So I'm a conservative patriot in that sense. At root I believe British fascism to be comic and unpatriotic, and am pretty sure the majority of Britons agree with me.
Hitler has only got one ball,
Göring has two but very small,
Himmler is somewhat sim'lar,
But poor Goebbels has no balls at all.
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Because racists like to demean other races. To compare a black person to a monkey, i.e., saying that they are less evolved than white people, is an ideal way to do this. Its not because of any inherent truth in the statement, its just because racists fear and hate other races and so come up with derogatory slang.
Christian Zionist
Being sure does not mean you are right, Pauli!
What was this thread about?
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
Why are you having massive go at Pauli for saying he likes the president?
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He has nothing better to do since the BNP stopped the goose step lessons and all the other Nazi Drill instruction, its typical of a fascist witout a life.
Unlike me, a rebel without a cause(just better looking than James dean)!!
accidental genius!
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Ah now come on there Pauli, nobody's better looking than James Dean! And to get back on topic, which as I recall had something to do with Michelle Obama and a picture of her as a monkey, yes it's racist, no it is not necessary, yes it's a consequence of freedom of speech, yes it's hurtful but she'll get over it (after all her husband is POTUS who cares if anybody else finds her attractive).Unlike me, a rebel without a cause (just better looking than James Dean)!!
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Perhaps he is a black liberal! This might be why he denies being a white liberal. Simples
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Godwins law was a debate tool invented by nazis to allow Nazis to claim victory in debates when they were shown to be exactly what they are, that would of course be NAZIS!!!!
Pauli, we have fallen out several times in the past but sometimes your posts are fantastic
Simples
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El Diablo Tejano
Actually, this is the only logical conclusion one could make if they were a Darwinist. Fortunately, I'm not a Darwinist. We were created by God as a separate species from monkeys (suck it, Darwin, we didn't evolve from them). The only differences in physiology are due to simple adaptation to environment.
"That's a man.....That's a stand tall, walk straight, put God's share in the collection plate, Man"- Jack Ingram
Christian Zionist
Would someone please post this image so we can see what on earth you are talking about!
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
Senior MP
I would like to test your belief: how do you explain prognathism as an adaptation to the environment?
In simple terms prognathism is the enlarged, forward projection of the lower jaw, common throughout the whole animal kingdom and arguably in it's most extreme form amongst insects. A global study by a Japanese scientist (1) proved that sub-Saharan Africans have by the far the greatest degree of prognathism, with Europeans possessing none or in most cases a negative level of the trait. The results are tabulated in the graph below and are, I think you'll agree, unambiguous (the index of prognathism runs from left to right along the top, with a higher number representing greater prognathism).
http://i13.tinypic.com/4p18mch.jpg
To simplify this and for the sake of illustration I've reproduced a graphic below showing real life examples of this phenomena. The sub-Saharan African women along the top demonstrate this physical trait clearly, whilst the European women beneath show negative levels.
http://www.femininebeauty.info/image...ojection.1.jpg
Considering that it has been genetically proven that primates are our closest living animal ancestor, and amongst those chimpanzees are the closest, how does one explain the more extreme prognathism visible in these primates, whilst asserting that in humans it is simply an adaptation? For clarity a profile of a primate skull is reproduced below.
http://www.bigfootforums.com/uploads...5556_thumb.jpg
It seems much more likely to me that prognathism amongst human populations is clear evidence of an evolutionary failure rather than adaptation. But if you have a different explanation I'm all ears.
(1) Hanihara, T. (2000). Frontal and facial flatness of major human populations. American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 111:105-134.
Senior MP
Are you insane?
Their liberal heads would explode in self-righteous indignation!
Christian Zionist
Thanks to those who sent me PMs - I have now seen the "planet of the apes" style picture.
What is all the fuss about. There were enough caricatures and morphed pics of "George DUBYA" (and his Mrs, I suspect) when he was in office.
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
World goin one way, people another
In short then, black people are an evolutionary failure? And white people aren't because our jaws don't stick out very far. Ok then.
Maybe you have macrotia? Now... if only I could find a link to an unnamed scientist arguing that was due to genetic adaptation, I could match your idea in terms of idiocy.But if you have a different explanation I'm all ears.
and you get one of these
again.
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Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
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Well, if you wish to simplify it like that.In short then, black people are an evolutionary failure? And white people aren't because our jaws don't stick out very far. Ok then.
I gave the name of the scientist as well as a reference to the work.Maybe you have macrotia? Now... if only I could find a link to an unnamed scientist arguing that was due to genetic adaptation, I could match your idea in terms of idiocy.
The problem with your argument in relation to mine is that the ears seem to have a lot less to do with the skull structurally than the jaw. It would seem that prognathism is also accompanied by a receding or sloping forehead, suggesting that the size, structure and shape of the brain may also be different.
Are you taking lessons in debating from Lady Balthy?and you get one of these
again.
BNP Forum Member
David if you believe in evolution then you should know that we didnt evolve from what we know today as a chimpanzee.
Instead, we probably share the same ancestors. At some point, we broke away and started a new evolutionary chain.
I havent seen any evidence to suggest we've evolved from black people as we're still the same species.
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All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
World goin one way, people another
Just saying what you really mean.
So you did. Now I get one of theseI gave the name of the scientist as well as a reference to the work..
What came first...the you deciding that black people are inferior to white people "chicken", or the supposedly scientific evidence supporting that theory "egg"?The problem with your argument in relation to mine is that the ears seem to have a lot less to do with the skull structurally than the jaw. It would seem that prognathism is also accompanied by a receding or sloping forehead, suggesting that the size, structure and shape of the brain may also be different.
Ah yes of course... eggs can't lay chickens.
No. Are you taking lessons in science from Lady Gaga?Are you taking lessons in debating from Lady Balthy?
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
Senior MP
I certainly accept that we didn't evolve from modern day chimpanzees, and that our ancestors probably resembled primates far more than we do today (we know for example that our ancient ancestors were likely covered in a thick mat of hair, some of which still remains in our DNA today). That was the crux of my argument in the above post, that strong vestiges of these ancient physiologies still persist amongst certain human races. If you consider the dinosaurs, for example, they have a huge degree of prognathism, suggesting that this trait increases the futher back in time one goes.
I agree that there is no evidence to suggest that we evolved from black people. Whether we are all of the same species - as in homo sapien sapien - is a question which seems to have been open to interpretation historically.
Senior MP
No, I said what I really meant in the first post. You've cynically tried to over simplify it because perhaps you find the topic uncomfortable.
I don't see any need to bring value judgments into this.What came first...the you deciding that black people are inferior to white people "chicken", or the supposedly scientific evidence supporting that theory "egg"?
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