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Princes Harry and the P word Anyone else think its a story out of nothing? This was uttered 3 years ago with army colleagues. Did the chap in question complain or go running to the newspapers or the race relations lobby?
Now we have the head of some Muslim group saying how terrible he is and should be made to apologise to all Pakistanis and that he should be kicked out of the army! Why not go the whole way and send him to the Tower?!
Is the 'P' word he used the abbreviation for a person from a certain country, if so why is it objectionable, surely these people are not ashamed of their origin. I am sure most people of British origin are not ashamed or insulted by being called a Brit.
For anyone not familiar with this story the details can be found here ... BBC NEWS | UK | Prince's racist term sparks anger
Personally i think the hysteria around inappropriate comments often made in very different contexts is absurd , calls for grovelling apologies , sackings , x number of pressure groups or political opponents lining up to put the boot in . He apologised explained the comment in context .... End Of Story as far as i'm concerned.
BNP Forum Member
Is it wrong to say the following...Originally Posted by Trevortt
Scouser
Geordie
Manc
Scot
Cockney
Brit
Would anyone take offense at those names?. Nope so whats the problem. Its like when Black people call each other N*ggers, yet its offensive if it comes from a non Black person. Harry has nothing to appolagise for, its just people moaning at nothing. Its just a stunt to get a member of the Royal British family to say sorry, it probably just gives them some satisfaction in thinking that they can demand and we do as they say. If Harry does this then he will let shame upon his Country over nothing. I wouldnt give em the sastisfaction id give them the 2 finger V sign.
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Senior MP
I dont think an apology was necessary. It is obviously a private remark to a friend who did not see it as racist.
Perhaps all those who have called the prince "ginge" in the past should also now apologise...This is a non-story and another reason not to pick up the gutter press from the news stand.
Interestingly, I went to the Mela in Peel Park this year and there were stalls that were openly selling T-shirts with "Proud to be a P*ki" and "P*ki" on them. Nobody seemed to be offended.
Administrator
What confuses me isso he is a Pakistani then surely the phrasse used is correct in the same context we are Brits!Iftikhar Raja said his nephew, now a captain in the Pakistani army
Banned
Yes, of course, except 'Scot', which is just a national description. As an Irishman pointed out to me years since, words like 'Paddy' or 'Taff' are just the same emotionally as 'Nigger' - intended only to be offensive. Just as some black people felt it safer to grovel and call themselves 'Nigger', so many British people grovel to the Yanks by calling themselves 'Brits'. It is contemptible
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Its not like that at all. The N-word has centuries of racial hatred as context. Just face it, if you're white, that word is off limits. Thats all there is to it.
As for Harry, I particularly liked the Mail on Sunday's take on it; they spent page 1 expressing their outrage, and then page 3 playing the whole thing down. I don't know what their office cafeteria is like, but me thinks its full of people both having their cake and eating it...
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Conservative Member
People instantly brand Paki as a racist and derogatory word, when in fact the context must first be taken into account to determine its meaning.
Harry stated "There is our Paki friend" - In this context he was merely stating there is our Pakistani friend. There was no racist remark here.
However, if he was to say "There is a bloody Paki" then that would be racist.
The problem here is because of racist movements in Britain - bloody skinheads - people instantly assume the worst, when in fact they are overlooking simple methods to determine its meaning.
Banned
The word 'friend' can be used offensively, and often is - 'Here comes our unwashed, thieving friend' or the like is quite possible, for instance. The word 'Paki' is never used and never has been used except offensively, anywhere, ever. The name for a person from that country is 'Pakistani'.
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You really believe that Scouser, Geordie, Brit, Manc etc is offensive?... Can i ask why you think this?. Because its just a word that describes thier area of origin. TBH i think your the first person i have ever come accross who believes the above words to be offensive, have you ever asked a person from Liverpool or Newcastle if they find those names offensive?. Take it from me it aint offensive, or at least it wouldnt bother me if someone said it too me. I have friends and its never bothered them, so explain to me why you think its offensive.
Im thinking and dont take this wrong but that your part of the Political Correctness brigade who are out to ban every word in the English langauge because its deemed as offensive. To call someone N*gger yes is offensive because its used only to be offensive. But when calling someone Geordie is not used in context as a slur against them, rather thats because of thier background. You have really astonished me i tell you lol.
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My point with this was, the N word is deemed really offensive to Black people, this word is so offensive that its an arrestable offense to say it. Now if this terrible word is that bad then why do Black people freely call it each other?. If this word is so bad that its illegal to say it, then why do they happily call it each other... Obviously it aint that bad if they are happy to say it amongst their selves, either the word is wrong or right. Thier is no rule for one bunch and another rule for the others. Thats my point with that...
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Conservative Member
If Paki is offensive in that context then I will now take offense to the words Brit and Pom (or whatever it is the Australians call us).The word 'friend' can be used offensively, and often is - 'Here comes our unwashed, thieving friend' or the like is quite possible, for instance. The word 'Paki' is never used and never has been used except offensively, anywhere, ever. The name for a person from that country is 'Pakistani'.
Banned
So you should, wingeing (can't spell it) POM. You think they are being matey when they say that?
Banned
Because individual human beings have individual NAMES that other individuals can bloody well LEARN. I can remember, in the RAF, being on fire picket, and all of us, as chance would have it, were 'Welsh' - so we had to be Taff 1, Taff 2, Taff 3 and so on, however hard it was to learn which was which, because 'Welsh' people couldn't possibly have any individual being. 'Political correctness' is a racist invention - it means normal politeness as interpreted by those who want to go through the world being insulting and unpleasant.
Chancellor
Haven't people got anything more important to worry about?
The Prince of Wales refers to an Asian member of his polo club as "Sooty", it has emerged days after the row over Prince Harry's use of a racist term.
Prince Charles uses the term as an "affectionate nickname", a member of the Gloucestershire club told the BBC.
Clarence House refused to comment on the claims but said to suggest Charles was racist was "completely ridiculous".
Prince Harry has apologised for using the word "Paki" to describe a member of his army platoon in 2006.
A member of Cirencester Park Polo Club spoken to by the BBC said the nickname used for Kolin Dhillon had not caused any offence.
He said: "I know the Prince calls him Sooty. It's not a problem on either side."
A spokesman for Clarence House said they were not going to comment on the use of an alleged nickname at a private club. He added: "To suggest in any way the Prince of Wales is racist is completely ridiculous.
"Look at the work he's done here and abroad. Consistently over 30 years he's called for greater tolerance and understanding." Cirencester Park Polo Club also declined to comment on the reports.
On Sunday, Prince Harry issued an apology after the News of the World published a video diary in which he calls one of his then Sandhurst colleagues a "Paki".
St James's Palace said he had used the term about a friend and without malice.
Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | UK | Charles faces 'Sooty' name claim
Published: 2009/01/13 15:34:53 GMT
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El Diablo Tejano
This whole story is absolute crap. Feel free to call me a "cracker", "yank", "redneck", "shitkicker", "honkey", whatever. I'm not going to lose a wink's sleep over any of them. This is just more of the same P.C. bulls*#t from the Professional Victims Brigade. Now they will make more demands that servicemen go to cultural sensitivity classes, and more dole money be set aside for them to show how sorry you are.......and, like a cuckold watching another man have his way with his wife, some of you will want to acquiesce and give it to them.
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It depends where you are in the kicking-order. The SS would, doubtless, have been happy to have been called 'Squarehead'. That the point -only ordinary people object to being shat on, because only ordinary people are.
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Its a way of taken ownership of the word, accepting that it will forever exist, and therfore needs to be redefined. Black people use the word as both a protest against the racial context, a subverted tribute to lost generations' sruggles and as an attempt ot redefine it. A similar, but not entirely analagous trend happens in the gay community with the word 'queer'.
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"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
MP
I do feel that this was blown out of proportion, although I wouldn't condone the use of the word either in a friendly manner.
Racial slander, is ultimately no matter how you try to chop and change it...still slander.
In my opinion I'm to some part glad he has had to apologise, it makes a point as to how unacceptable that word is socially. And that it's use cannot be justified irregardless of your social standing.
I suppose if this was in a different context and the insult was directed at 'whites' and it was someone of an ethnic background who had said it, then quite rightly it would cause protest and offence about it's use.
(Still a more appropriate headline on the news(my local news, not the news of the world), would have been some more information on the what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. Instead of a insult said 3 years ago, when hopefully Harry's mindset will have changed.)
Dr The Evidence, but surely by allowing the communities that find the words 'N*gger' and 'Queer' offensive to use then amongst themselves. Aren't we further encouraging their use in society, when ultimately they are....dare I say this....Politically incorrect.
So shouldn't even they be discouraged from using them?
(Or maybe I've cracked from this belligerent approach that the Labour Government are taking with Political Correctness.)
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This is a very old chesnut - those who use the P and N words know full well what they mean by it!
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