I am offended that we have to obey by the laws of pc
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Political correctness is everywhere, changing many of our words or phrases we have used for many years.
Heres a lsit of some of them:
A criminal - An unsavory character
Bald - Follicularly challenged
Fat - Differently weighted
Postman - Letter carrier
Dinner lady - Educational Institution Nutritional Specialist
Politically correct words and phrases - General Discussion - Digital Spy Forums
Foreign Food - Replaced by Ethnic Cuisine.
Handicapped - Replaced by Physically Challenged
Midget - Replaced by Vertically Challenged
Politically Incorrect Dictionary
Well, you get the idea!
And its gone so far, the phrase politically correct has also been banned by some!
A council has warned staff against using the phrase 'political correctness' at work because it might offend people.
A booklet outlining 'equality' policy to council workers claims using the term at work can be damaging and even linked it to the Ku Klux Klan.
(Now council bans the use of 'political correctness' at work | Mail Online)
Do you think its gone too far? Or are you offended by some of the words used? Personally I think most of them are ridiculous but if I find people who say otherwise then fair enough.
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
I am offended that we have to obey by the laws of pc
I quite agree, the pervasiveness of PC, especially in the various hierarchies of government, is astounding. I must admit that my tendency to sometimes call a spade a spade has rather upset a few people from government departments like Health & Safety or from the local authority where we've got our works when they've been out to see us about some bit of bureaucracy or other...... The trouble though is that the British are far too polite to challenge things like this, rather sitting back and accepting it - shakes head!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
Blame the MarxistsPolitical correctness tries to make up for past perceived inequalities by replacing meritocracy and equality of opportunity with equality of outcome through discrimination against people with the same physical qualities as those perceived to have been beneficiaries of other systems in the past.
Political correctness encourages offence to be taken where none is intended, encourages the re-writing and re-thinking of history along with the abandonment of pride in country, is a serious threat to free speech and, despite being portrayed to be in the name of tolerance, is completely intolerant of anyone who does not act in a politically correct fashion.
Well, it is understood that the concept was thought up by a group of intellectuals who came together to form the “Frankfurt School” in 1923. They developed “Cultural Marxism” and “Critical Theory”. The institute was modelled on the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. In 1933 the members of the Frankfurt School moved to the United States and eventually spread out onto the campuses of American Colleges. These intellectual Marxists included Herbert Marcuse who coined the phrase, “Make Love Not War” during the anti-Vietnam demonstrations.
Ugh, I hate pc, I agree that we shouldn't use words designed to offend people, like yid or nigger, we should be able to use terms that are part of the English language. Like postman, I always think the word 'Man' really just means person these days. And in all my essays, I insist on using BC and AD, screw BCE and CE. And I still call female actors 'actresses', although I do understand the negative connotation, but who cares what the word used to be slang for 200 years ago? Also, anybody heard the term "Service Utility Access Tunnel/Point"? That's what 'manhole' has become, which is absurd, has anyone ever seen a woman go down one of those?
PC actually raises profound philosophical questions, e.g. what comes first, thought or language? Is thought possible without language?
If the answer to the second question is "no" - philosophers and linguists are evenly divided - that puts PC in a different light. It means that if you change language, you change thought. Anyone who's read Nineteen Eighty-Four will be familiar with the argument.
The question then becomes: is it legitimate to change thought? Are some thoughts so anti-social or destructive it's reasonable to change them?
I think, within reason, the answer's "yes." I've no problem with making it as difficult as possible for some Nazi on a council estate in Bradford to torment his black or Muslim neighbours. Indeed, good citizens have a duty to change the way he thinks. Why should his right to torment his neighbours be defended? On what grounds?
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Yes but do we also want to live in a world where nobody points out what's wrong with another culture?
No. The main people who suffer from the affects of political correctness are the stupid, the ignorant and the uneducated. I've seen it again and again. Something happens in their life which makes them angry and (not unnaturally) they sound off about it. It's then pointed out they're being racist, sexist, homophobic, whatever. They then start moaning about political correctness and write to the Daily Mail in green ink.
Someone who isn't stupid and has some culture and education - who's read a few books and has thought about and discussed the issues - will sound off about exactly the same grievance but has the capacity to avoid the PC pitfalls. They can discuss and criticise other cultures etc without calling anyone a dirty n***** or expressing a desire to burn homosexuals. So the only people prevented (by political correctness) from criticising other cultures will be the stupid, the ignorant and the uneducated. I've got no problem with that.
Yes but pc has gone too far, it's now considered un-pc to ask an Islamic woman wearing a burka to leave a bank, it's not pc to ask that Sikhs and Muslims deal with the normal branch of police, instead they need special cultural police, it's not pc to teach about the crusades because it might offend arabs, and we're losing words like actress and postman, who is actually ever offended by the word postman? If a female 'letter carrier' is offended at being called a postman then she has a whole lot of other issues.
I agree that's all daft. I still call trainers 'plimsolls' or 'daps'! But most complaints about PC are cover for stupid racists or homophobes (not you) who want the right to say disgusting things about their fellow citizens. They wrap it up in the language of free speech but scratch the surface and you find a piece of scum. I don't think they should be appeased. That means defending the good aspects of PC.
Second, I can't imagine Midas ever being lost for words, of finding himself unable to express the precise thought in his mind without breaking the law or having to pull his punches. He may outrage a social worker, but so what? It's a social good to outrage a social worker. He should get a medal.
< that's enough buttering up Midas for today >
Oh no, please feel free to continue
But you're right, there are plenty of ways to express exactly what you have in mind whilst staying within both the legal and perhaps the moral constraints that our present society has placed on us. The problem, or part of the problem at least, is that a significant percentage of the population don't have the experience or the wherewithal to do that, and personally I think that we should be able to call a spade a spade as long as it's not personally offensive - and that on its own opens up a whole new can of worms - or out of context to whatever is being talked about.
Political correctness has almost become a self-sustaining 'industry' in its own right.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
My granny, who was a wise old bird, used to say: "Those who insist on telling other people 'unpleasant truths' are usually more interested in being unpleasant than in telling the truth."
c. 90% of the people I hear complaining about political correctness are, in reality, demanding the right to be unpleasant, cruel, or to engage in hate speech without having their collars felt, usually to a black neighbour, or some wretched Muslim with a beard who's going about his lawful business.
I agree there are some silly social workers and similar North London Guardian reading types about who deserve to be exposed and laughed at. But, on the whole, to prevent people from expressing hate for gays, blacks, women etc is a good thing. I don't care if the stupid and the ignorant are unfairly targeted. They should read a book and become less stupid and ignorant. I don't see why they should be appeased or mollycoddled.
But as I said before, PC has reached the point where you can't even legitmately criticise someone else's culture, because someone somewhere might find it offensive, PC no longer protects people from racial and discriminatory slurs, it's now turning unoffensive words into slurs, then telling people you can't say that.
brutha. We've seen many words redefined over recent years, from terrorism to torture to nationalisation. The American media are currently having a go at redefining socialism too. Political correctness is just a more subtle example of this same idea, seeking to change the meanings of words in order to change behaviour. Besides the oxymoron at the heart of the term (I thought in politics, as with religion, there was no 'correct'
), the practice only succeeds in taking the most important issues off the political map for fear of of being offensive or simply using the wrong word in the wrong context. As such only parties like the BNP will discuss immigration, and serious integration concerns like schools, language and religious freedom get ignored by mainstream politicians on account of them becoming potential linguistic minefields. In the words of one of my favourite rappers "The surface has changed, but the cauldron is still hot, Now we're more politically correct with less real talk"
Still, as Balthazar says, in certain instances changing behaviour is a good thing. As an example, is anyone really upset that Roy Chubby Brown's racist, sexist and bigoted 'comedy' is banned from UK broadcasts? Only his fans. And they're all racist, sexist and bigoted anyway. And in the workplace, harassment based on sexuality, race or religion is outlawed by legislation. Whether this actually does change behaviour is still open for debate, I'm more inclined to believe most of the time it only changes language.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
Sorry but your answer is stupid and ignorant.
Political Correctness prevents discussion of very important and indepth issues. I don't see stupid, ignorant or uneducated people discussing them.
I am starting to agree with the anti-PC campaign that those who support PC are quite rude by nature.
Maybe in the beginning it was used to stop the use of offensive words or words with negative connotations, but thats not the case now.
Everyone is familiar with the nursery rhyme baa baa black sheep, but that is now baa baa rainbow sheep. Did you ever hear any one use that in an offensive manner? Is anyone offended by it in the first place? And what the hell is a rainbow sheep?!?
But removing christmas lights in our towns to not offend muslims and to be politically correct actually isnt correct at all, in the way its not right to stop us celebrating our national holiday. If anything, thats racist to the majority.
Ok, so I'm a university student who has spent a lot of time researching things such as religion and politics before reaching my own conclusion, yet because I disagree with the banning of use of christmas cards in some schools because incase it offends muslims, I'm ignorant, stupid and uneducated?
Sure, ban the word fag. Sure, ban the word paki. Sure, ban the word n***er.
But why change nursery ryhmes? Why change traditions? Like Halloween: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Halloween.html
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
I challenge you to name one very important and in-depth issue which can't be discussed on this forum. OK, this is a well-managed community so you may not find one. In which case I challenge you to name one very important and in-depth issue which can't be discussed on BBC 'Any Questions.'
It's not my fault some people find it difficult to discuss some issues without becoming foul mouthed, or insulting, or saying unlawful things. That's their problem. Their deficiencies shouldn't be allowed to impinge on the legitimate political discourse of others.
But that's what the anti-PC brigade demand: the right to be pig ignorant. It's absurd. They should be told to sling their hook.
I will give you one very important issue that cannot be discussed - Immigration.
The anti-PC demand the right to discuss issues without the threat of some Politically Correct Individual continuously tackling us. Having manners and being polite; in other words, having a proper upbringing, tell me not to use certain words because people could be offended.
I don't need the PC Police taking this to ridiculous lengths as to say, I cannot use Christmas Lights because they might offend my Muslim neighbour down the street.
Thats the point though, the problem is not political correctness itself, its the spineless people who are too scared to discuss things for fear of being un-PC. If you give someone a proper platform, and not limit them to soundbites of 30 seconds or less, no matter what language they use, it will still be apparent if they are being racist or not. It just requires a bit of courage, something sadly lacking in our politicians.
As for the Christmas lights thing, I've never heard one Muslim group state that they have a problem with Christmas lights, instead its do-gooding busy-bodies changing things again, for fear of pissing off the Muslims. Or in some cases, like Birmingham's infamous 'Winterval' festival, the Mail or some other sensationalist rag taking the story out of context to further their own agenda.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Nursery opts for 'rainbow' sheep
Baa! Nursery Rhyme Slaughtered | Home | Sky News
Theres even a book named after it due to the huge amount of politcal correctness.
Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep, David Mortimer, Book - Barnes & Noble
Ok now asnwer my previous questions.
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
It doesn't matter if the Muslims are annoyed, the fact is some do-gooding-annoying-tosser is trying to stop us doing us in case we offend them.
As you have stated, they are not annoyed by it. Thus these tossers are actually creating social tension when there is no need neither is there a real reason.
Exactly. Going overboard with political correctness is more likely to cause racial tension than stop it.
This is from an article where the word Christmas is being changed:
The idea has come from the charity Oxford Inspires, the cultural development agency for the county, which runs the celebrations.
Sabir Hussain Mirza, chairman of the Muslim Council of Oxford, said: "I am really upset about this. Christians, Muslims and other religions all look forward to Christmas."
Fr Brian Van-Dungey, a priest in Garsington, Oxon, said: "I am a Christian and pleased to see my Muslim brothers joining in the condemnation of this stupid and dangerous idea; this sort of thinking creates racial problems and should be stopped in its tracks."
Christmas banned in Oxford by council-owned charity - Telegraph
So I assume the word Christmas is being used by some "nazi on a council seat" to offend minorities so it needs to be changed right?
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
Quite correct LA. All this is doing in the minds of the average British citizen is confirming that immigrants from other cultures are having more and more say in what we're supposed to think and do, and that the government are just sitting back seemingly not giving a damn about how it's affecting that majority. It's certainly creating racial tensions - "what ****ing immigrant has the right to tell me whether I should or shouldn't use words or phrases which have been in my culture for generations!" - I'd say that most indigenous British people are thinking thoughts like that these days. They mightn't be saying it out loud yet, but the time will come when they do.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
Yeah exactly. Now you have to wonder why. Half of this problem is from people in local councils and schools basically being scared of Muslims, its a very British trait to not want to rock the boat or 'cause a scene', what they fail to realise is they are adding to the problem. The other half are people like the Mail who latch onto any of these stories to further their agenda that people of different faiths cannot live together.
BTW, that story about the schoolgirl is bat**** crazy. That teacher should be sacked.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
"Several nurseries have changed the traditional rhyme so as not offend ethnic minorities, it has been reported"
"In 2000, a warning that the nursery rhyme Baa Baa black sheep should not be taught in schools because it was "racially offensive" was scrapped."
It was not sung in a handful of nurseries, and was advised against for a small amount of time by one council. It wasn't 'banned' at all. This is so often the case when the PC gone mad crowd claim that something has been 'banned'.
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.
The problem that political correctness causes is having to think "is this politically correct?" about everything you say, when of course you should already know that you did not (hopefully!) mean offence at all. This predictably self-perpetuates by ruling out more and more phrases and actually is self-defeating because it 'gives' the words to the people who were to use them offensively.
Political Correctness is just silly and defies the rules of context and intent in the English language![]()
"Political Correctness Gone Mad" convenient headline for the lazy journalist needing a replacment for the dead donkey story, forget that most of these stories are either over exagerated urban myth or outright lies.
Seems to me that at it's worst pc is an attempt to institutionalise politeness and the benefits in terms of quality of life it has brought to millions far outweighs the annoyance at having to modify ones language a little bit. For example as a direct result institutionalised racism and sexism has seen a marked decline.
These lies allow the right which controls the press and politics in this country anyway, to make the left who are concerned about how people are represented look like killjoys.
"The object of universities is not to make skilful lawyers, physicians or engineers. It is to make capable and cultivated human beings." John Stewart Mill
I took my black drop head into the garage the other week
Me: My ruddy car isn't running properly
PC Proprietor: Which car is that Sir?
Me: That black one there!
PC Proprietor: Please don't use the term black when describing a malfunctioning vehicle as it might be deemed to be racially offensive. Please use the term a 'colour with minimal light reflection'.
Me: Oh for heavens sake! I'm talking about the rag top I bought off you four months ago.
PC Proprietor: Please don't use the term rag top, as this may cause offence to ethnic and religious minorities who may think that this is a derogatory reference to their headwear.
Me: OK then. Convertible!
PC Proprietor: The term convertible may offend transsexuals, and those whose sexual orientation includes both men and women. We would prefer that the term folding roof is utilised. Would you like a coffee in our customer reception area?
Me: Yes please! White, no sugar
PC Proprietor: I am sorry Sir. By stating a preference for a white product, you are voicing undertones of white supremacy. This is wholly unacceptable in todays modern society. We are happy to provide you with fair trade coffee containing freeze dried milk substitute.
Me: (slapping away an irritating insect) Bllody mossys!
PC Proprietor: I am sorry Sir, but I have to advise you that I will report your outburst to the PC stormtroopers. The term 'mossy' could cause considerable distress to followers of Islam. I have little doubt that you will receive a Ģ5000 fine and social re-education for what you have said.
At that moment a lovely Old English White Morris Minor pulled onto the forecourt.
The PC Proprietor (shouting). Get that load of old white trash off my forecourt.
Me: I'd prefer you to call it an elderly English automobile, as you could cause offense to the indigenous natives.
JUST A GLIMPSE INTO THE PC FUTURE!!
And it is sometimes these stupid ignorant uneducated people who wake us up to the plain fact that the educated and the politically corect can be over educated fools who know to much for there own good and believe thay have the right to tell us so load of condecending twaddle.
All it takes for evil to succeed is that good people do nothing
When men cease to believe in god, thay do not therefore believe in nothing ,thay then become capable of believing anything. G.K Chesterton
If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?" William Shakespeare,
The cleverest thing the New World Order has done, is to convince mankind that It's a good thing to be enslaved.
Could be just bull but I heard the Fat Controller was changed to the Grumpy Controller in Thomas The Tank Engine so as not to offend generously proportioned people.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
I have heard this. However the PC Police have now lodged a strong objection in the Guardian about the term Controller.
On the one one hand they express their concern that it implies that either fat or grumpy people, or fat grumpy people are in some way superior to thin, happy people and this may cause offence.
Secondly they point out that the Fat Controller was traditionally a white male, and they are concerned that this may cause women of all colours, and men of all colours except white, to feel inadequate and hurt.
Thirdly they believe that fat and grumpy people might feel that they are being singled out as control freaks, and this could have a detrimental effect on their mental well being.
They have therefore implemented a job sharing scheme between a thin muslim male, a fat jewish female and an octogenarian bisexual hermaphrodite. The job title will be 'Transport Advisor'.
The Fat Controller will be dismissed without severance pay, because he was seen wearing a silver cross on a chain round his neck. This is in breach of Health and Safety Rules ( sub-para 36564 sub section 74 - appertaining to Christians only). His excuse that it was a George Cross awarded for courage above and beyond the call of duty, was dismissed as white supremacist spin.
They have also demanded that Thomas the Tank Engine, be renamed Thomasina to address the outmoded archetypal image of a steam train as being male and macho.
It is attitudes like yours, those that call anyone who disagrees with any Nulab/PC policy a Racist, that is giving the BNP increasing voter support.In the same way as Ian Paisley in the 70s was described as the IRAs biggest asset in recruitment!!Think about it and figure it out yourself, if you are able.Which book do you recomend?Mien Kampf?That is a Book isnt it?
Id personally recomend people read my notes on californian and New York wines, they would bring far more pleasure to the lives of millions than any of your lefty totalitarian indoc manuals.My essays on Spanish wined are also (if followed to the letter)capable of bringing great joy to the lives of many!!!!
Much more so that your demands to be idolised as a leader or a party, what can you/socialism do to improove my life???????Mien Fuhrer!!!
Is gone really really mad, otherwise they'll not be so possesive of people and who they interact with and who they did not, religion phobics is part of it, do you feel rejected ask that question and see how human being feel, constitutionally or in lacuna publicly is yet to be proven ?
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Well I most certainly don't say 'fair enough' to those who say otherwise - free speech is my base line - if want to insult you then I will - if you don't like it, then I'm sure you'll let me know in no uncertain fashion - and so it goes!
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