British National Party Information

[LA]

Dear Politic Community,

Many people like to discuss the BNP, it seems to be an old age tradition.
However, I believe it is more productive to have information on the British National Party.

We can all gain anti-BNP information from any news source - except the DailyMail - However, to have a balanced argument you need to have BNP information itself.

As such here are two links whereby you can download the British National Party Information Package without signing up to the BNP.

Regards,
Lib Auth
Grant

Link 1: Click Here
Link 2: Click Here

[DougieG]

Stickied due to being of great informational use.

Any conversation on this topic should be limited to the gathering of such information - use other threads to debate BNP policy please. Do not copy and paste.

[LA]

As BNP information is always useful to create arguments against them, I will include this as the Newsletter section.
This is where I will add documents to this post containing within it copies of the British National Party's news letter.

Here is the list of BNP Newsletters.

Monday 9th March 2009
Friday 6th March 2009
Friday 27th February 2009
Wednesday 25th February 2009
Saturday 21st February 2009
Friday 20th February 2009
Tuesday 17 February 2009

[xpressbooks]

I have read the BNP manifesto and, frankly, I don't believe it is radical enough. Good luck to them at the approaching elections

[xpressbooks]

A racist is merely someone who is winning an argument with a liberal. I see no reason why there should not be an official distinction between the indigenous British and those who have arrived in this country since 1945. I, for one, don't believe that the latter should service in either government or the media.

[Midas]

I see no reason why there should not be an official distinction between the indigenous British and those who have arrived in this country since 1945. I, for one, don't believe that the latter should service in either government or the media.

How can you possibly justify distinguishing people who arrived in this country more than 60 years ago from anyone else, and are you talking about all immigrants or just selected groups? What about the children of these decades-ago immigrants, what about their grandchildren, both of whom who will almost certainly be British Citizens; are you retrospectively going to make them into second class citizens and deny them certain types of employment?

[xpressbooks]

How can you possibly justify distinguishing people who arrived in this country more than 60 years ago from anyone else, and are you talking about all immigrants or just selected groups? What about the children of these decades-ago immigrants, what about their grandchildren, both of whom who will almost certainly be British Citizens; are you retrospectively going to make them into second class citizens and deny them certain types of employment?

The justification is that integration is an unrealistic pipedream and all we have achieved is to live on a tinderbox for half a century with the majority of the population being unable to express an opinion on the subject.

You must remember that immigration has been forced upon us. No-one in this country was ever asked if they wanted to accept large scale immigration and successive governments have refused to allow any public views on the subject.

The best way to address the problem is to accept that there is a difference between host and guest and to enshrine it in a nationality act.

[Midas]

The justification is that integration is an unrealistic pipedream and all we have achieved is to live on a tinderbox for half a century with the majority of the population being unable to express an opinion on the subject.

You must remember that immigration has been forced upon us. No-one in this country was ever asked if they wanted to accept large scale immigration and successive governments have refused to allow any public views on the subject.

The best way to address the problem is to accept that there is a difference between host and guest and to enshrine it in a nationality act.

Historically the vast majority of legal immigrants have been perfectly well behaved, have worked hard and have integrated well. It's only really been during the last decade, during this government's term really, that immigration has got out of hand and is causing the problems we're seeing now.

It's quite true that no-one was asked whether we wanted immigration or not, yet I don't know of any other countries where that's the case either; it's called representative democracy. Some countries are much tougher on immigration than others, however it's always a government decision, not one taken by popular vote.

To do what you're calling for, especially in retrospect, would never happen. Too many parallels with the disenfranchisement of Jews in Nazi Germany for one thing. The best thing we can hope for is a significant tightening up of legal immigration and a serious effort to remove illegal immigrants.

[xpressbooks]

We have rioting since about 1980 - Brixton, Toxteth, Bristol, etc - and this was long before the wave of illegal immigration to which you refer. When you see entire cities that have been repopulated by immigrants with a background and way of life quite alien to the British tradition, it is difficult not to want to fight it.

Giving an injustice a name doesn't make it right. Reprentative democracy is intended to reflect the popular vote - that is what it exists for - yet it hasn't worked in this area.

I don't know whether it will happen or not but to drag in 1930's Germany is rather a poor card to play. The Germans elected a party that had made no bones about its intention to exterminate the Jews nd the electorate knew it. The BNP have no such agenda.

It is no good talking of tightening up immigration procedures - its fifty years too late!

[JacquesMagique]

We have rioting since about 1980 - Brixton, Toxteth, Bristol, etc - and this was long before the wave of illegal immigration to which you refer. When you see entire cities that have been repopulated by immigrants with a background and way of life quite alien to the British tradition, it is difficult not to want to fight it.

Wake up! Most indigenous people don't even care about the 'values' and 'taditions' which you label as British. There is as much diversity in culture and values between British whites as there is between British whites and British minorities.

I don't know whether it will happen or not but to drag in 1930's Germany is rather a poor card to play. The Germans elected a party that had made no bones about its intention to exterminate the Jews nd the electorate knew it. The BNP have no such agenda.

That's not true at all, they demonised the Jews as the source of many of the countries problems, as the BNP do with Muslims, but they were never open about their intentions to murder them.

[LA]

It is fact that the German people knew they were electing a dictator and knew that the Jews were being killed.

[Marxist Nutter]

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[xpressbooks]

That's not true at all, they demonised the Jews as the source of many of the countries problems, as the BNP do with Muslims, but they were never open about their intentions to murder them.[/QUOTE]


Try having a look at Mein Kampf.

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[DTE]

A racist is merely someone who is winning an argument with a liberal. I see no reason why there should not be an official distinction between the indigenous British and those who have arrived in this country since 1945. I, for one, don't believe that the latter should service in either government or the media.

So myself, as a 3rd generation immigrant of Irish descent, arriving after the war, should not be allowed into either government or the media? And why is that exactly? I'm British. I was born here. Both my parents were born here. So under your proposal what rights would I be denied that you have access to?

I'm genuinely interested to know. People with these views are like Betamax players. You here about them and say "Damn, they still make you?"

[Marxist Nutter]

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[xpressbooks]

So myself, as a 3rd generation immigrant of Irish descent, arriving after the war, should not be allowed into either government or the media? And why is that exactly? I'm British. I was born here. Both my parents were born here. So under your proposal what rights would I be denied that you have access to?

I'm genuinely interested to know. People with these views are like Betamax players. You here (sic) about them and say "Damn, they still make you?"

Exclusion from any occupation that directly affected the course of the nation. The Irish broke away from Britain to steer an independent course yet seem to want their cake whilst eating it. The Irish are happy enough to bomb Britain and act against it when it suits them yet they are equally happy to come over here to take advantage of our welfare state, etc.
Betamax?

[JacquesMagique]

Try having a look at Mein Kampf.

Try addressing my other point.

I've read mein Kampf. It's very long and incredibly badly written (scholarship has never been the Right's strongpoint) so I'm sorry if I missed it, but as far as I could see, he clearly makes it absolutely clear his disgust for Jews, and promises that the National Socialist movement was determined to 'Deal' with it, but he never says he plans to murder anybody.

[xpressbooks]

Try having a look at Mein Kampf.

Try addressing my other point.

I've read mein Kampf. It's very long and incredibly badly written (scholarship has never been the Right's strongpoint) so I'm sorry if I missed it, but as far as I could see, he clearly makes it absolutely clear his disgust for Jews, and promises that the National Socialist movement was determined to 'Deal' with it, but he never says he plans to murder anybody.[/QUOTE]

Then I should read it again. More carefully. (Mind you. If I were to launch a manifesto stating that I intended to 'deal' with, for example, the Irish; I think it would admit of very few interpretations).

[DTE]

Exclusion from any occupation that directly affected the course of the nation. The Irish broke away from Britain to steer an independent course yet seem to want their cake whilst eating it. The Irish are happy enough to bomb Britain and act against it when it suits them yet they are equally happy to come over here to take advantage of our welfare state, etc.
Betamax?

You speak of the Irish like they are some giant hive mind or something, I have no recollection of breaking away from Britain myself, because I was'nt even born, so why should I be disciminated against when it comes to employment? 'Affect the course of the nation'? What a joke.

Betamax was the alternative to VHS in the 80s.

[LA]

It's very long and incredibly badly written (scholarship has never been the Right's strongpoint)

That is just unnecessarily rude, and entirely false.

[xpressbooks]

You speak of the Irish like they are some giant hive mind or something, I have no recollection of breaking away from Britain myself, because I was'nt even born, so why should I be disciminated against when it comes to employment? 'Affect the course of the nation'? What a joke.

Betamax was the alternative to VHS in the 80s.

I am not sure what is meant by a 'giant hive mind' and therefore cannot comment. As for Ireland breaking away from Britain, it is a matter of recent history and like all political acts, it spoke for those yet unborn.

[xpressbooks]

(scholarship has never been the Right's strongpoint).

Richard Wagner was well to the political right and I doubt if his scholarship can be called into question. Generally regarded as the greatest dramatic mind since Shakespeare.

[LA]

Some modern critics have argued that while Shakespeare's politics are not precisely stated, in his portraits of mob rule (as in Julius Caesar and in Coriolanus) the Bard expresses a basic political conservatism: the common man, the rabble, in Shakespeare's works does not have the capacity to rule himself. Shakespeare was not an advocate of democratic government, social leveling or state-sponsored welfare.

[JacquesMagique]

Try addressing my other point.

I've read mein Kampf. It's very long and incredibly badly written (scholarship has never been the Right's strongpoint) so I'm sorry if I missed it, but as far as I could see, he clearly makes it absolutely clear his disgust for Jews, and promises that the National Socialist movement was determined to 'Deal' with it, but he never says he plans to murder anybody.

Then I should read it again. More carefully. (Mind you. If I were to launch a manifesto stating that I intended to 'deal' with, for example, the Irish; I think it would admit of very few interpretations).[/QUOTE]
Okay, how about you find us a quote from mien kampf, with chapter and page number, where Hitler says he wants to kill the Jewish race, until then you are wrong. can't say fairer than that really.

[xpressbooks]

Okay, how about you find us a quote from mien kampf, .

And you have the gall to criticise other people's scholarship............

[DougieG]

Some modern critics have argued that while Shakespeare's politics are not precisely stated, in his portraits of mob rule (as in Julius Caesar and in Coriolanus) the Bard expresses a basic political conservatism: the common man, the rabble, in Shakespeare's works does not have the capacity to rule himself. Shakespeare was not an advocate of democratic government, social leveling or state-sponsored welfare.

That's rubbish. Noone can claim shakespeare for anything. Depending on how you interpret his work, he was a monarchist, republican, Catholic, Jew, gay, straight, or even non-existent. The idea that anyone can interpret Shakespeare to get his personality out is idiocy. Berkoff wrote a play about a load of skinhead thugs, whose father was a Mosely supporter, and portrays their story in a favourable light (East), but that doesn't make him a fascist.

[LA]

That's rubbish. Noone can claim shakespeare for anything. Depending on how you interpret his work, he was a monarchist, republican, Catholic, Jew, gay, straight, or even non-existent. The idea that anyone can interpret Shakespeare to get his personality out is idiocy. Berkoff wrote a play about a load of skinhead thugs, whose father was a Mosely supporter, and portrays their story in a favourable light (East), but that doesn't make him a fascist.

I hope those critics read your response then.

[DougieG]

I hope those critics read your response then.

Much of what is written about Shakespeare is simply rubbish. Try reading Bill Bryson's book on the subject, he explains why it is a farce to claim to know anything about the man.

[JacquesMagique]

And you have the gall to criticise other people's scholarship............

And what's that supposed to mean? You're the one that is making unfounded assumptions about a book you appear to have never read.

[xpressbooks]

That's rubbish. Noone can claim shakespeare for anything. Depending on how you interpret his work, he was a monarchist, republican, Catholic, Jew, gay, straight, or even non-existent. The idea that anyone can interpret Shakespeare to get his personality out is idiocy. Berkoff wrote a play about a load of skinhead thugs, whose father was a Mosely supporter, and portrays their story in a favourable light (East), but that doesn't make him a fascist.

Absolutely right. One of Shakespeare's gifts was an ability to put himself in the shoes of his characters and to transmit their point of view.

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And what's that supposed to mean? You're the one that is making unfounded assumptions about a book you appear to have never read.

I was referring to someone who makes a judgement on scholarship and then comes out with the grammatic nonsense: 'Okay, how about you find us a quote from mien kampf.'

The book to which you refer wouldn't perchance be 'Mein Kampf'?

[JacquesMagique]

I was referring to someone who makes a judgement on scholarship and then comes out with the grammatic nonsense: 'Okay, how about you find us a quote from mien kampf.'

The book to which you refer wouldn't perchance be 'Mein Kampf'?

I think you mean spelling rather than grammar?

Besides which, i know how to spell mein kampf, i just mis hit the key
Oh, unless you mean the lack of capitalisation, but tbh highlighting something so pedantically suggests to me that you are tiptoeing around the fact you are wrong about the matter in hand.

[xpressbooks]

I think you mean spelling rather than grammar?

Besides which, i know how to spell mein kampf, i just mis hit the key
Oh, unless you mean the lack of capitalisation, but tbh highlighting something so pedantically suggests to me that you are tiptoeing around the fact you are wrong about the matter in hand.

You see nothing strange in the phrase: 'Okay, how about you find us a quote from'.

Failing to place capital letters where they are needed is as serious as any grammatical error. Ignorance of the basics in grammar tells one a good deal about the person with whom one is conversing. If you cannot grasp the essentials of written dialogue, how likely are you to understand the basics of debate?

[DougieG]

You see nothing strange in the phrase: 'Okay, how about you find us a quote from'.

Failing to place capital letters where they are needed is as serious as any grammatical error. Ignorance of the basics in grammar tells one a good deal about the person with whom one is conversing. If you cannot grasp the essentials of written dialogue, how likely are you to understand the basics of debate?

That's unnecessarily pernickety. Would you like to explain to me how it is relevent to BNP party information? If you WOULD like to, then do so by PM, not on this thread. Stay on topic and stop dodging questions.

[xpressbooks]

That's unnecessarily pernickety. Would you like to explain to me how it is relevent to BNP party information? If you WOULD like to, then do so by PM, not on this thread. Stay on topic and stop dodging questions.

Grammar is not a triviality. It is the means by which Britain gave to the world much of its best literature.
As for the BNP: I am not a member but I would like to see it gain a measure of electoral success because much of its creed echoes the wishes of the man on the street.
I also beieve that one should have the right to support the BNP without attracting acrimony.

[DTE]

Grammar is not a triviality. It is the means by which Britain gave to the world much of its best literature.
As for the BNP: I am not a member but I would like to see it gain a measure of electoral success because much of its creed echoes the wishes of the man on the street.
I also beieve that one should have the right to support the BNP without attracting acrimony.

I would like to point out the bolded irony of this statement.
Seriously Xpress, its a message board, people should write how they want to, as long as it makes sense the odd typo or grammatical error shouldn't be a big deal. But what do I know, as a 3rd generation Irish I'm just here to milk the cash cow right?

[Midas]

Grammar is not a triviality. It is the means by which Britain gave to the world much of its best literature.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this, however as Dougie has pointed out, it's not really relevant to this particular thread. If you'd like to start a discussion on the English language and the internet (for example) in the appropriate section of the forum, I'm sure there'll be some contributions added.

As for the BNP: I am not a member but I would like to see it gain a measure of electoral success because much of its creed echoes the wishes of the man on the street.
I also beieve that one should have the right to support the BNP without attracting acrimony.

Hmm, yes and no. The broad immigration policies of the BNP do indeed reflect the views of a substantial number of people, however in my view they're too narrow, not accurately reflecting much of the complexities of everyday life. I don't believe it's the immigration policies per se which cause the acrimony against the BNP, more the racist past of so many of the leaders and organisers of the party.

[DougieG]

Grammar is not a triviality. It is the means by which Britain gave to the world much of its best literature.
As for the BNP: I am not a member but I would like to see it gain a measure of electoral success because much of its creed echoes the wishes of the man on the street.
I also beieve that one should have the right to support the BNP without attracting acrimony.

I looks for quality of English in posts, but a few typoes and errors do not contribute to a bad post.

[Opinionated]

Grammar is not a triviality. It is the means by which Britain gave to the world much of its best literature.

xpressbooks were you my English teacher?

[xpressbooks]

Hmm, yes and no. The broad immigration policies of the BNP do indeed reflect the views of a substantial number of people, however in my view they're too narrow, not accurately reflecting much of the complexities of everyday life. I don't believe it's the immigration policies per se which cause the acrimony against the BNP, more the racist past of so many of the leaders and organisers of the party.

On the first matter, surely if substantial numbers of people share a given view - however narrow it might be - then it should surely be taken into account and not shunted into a siding of disrepute.
I certainly agree that the leadership of the BNP leaves so much to be desired that the entire body should be replaced by people who are articulate, sensitive and sensible.

[Neo2012]

To all BNP members, READ YOUR CONSTITUTION!

Constitution 9th Edition : The British National Party
Particular worth looking at the dictatorial power of the leader, and the opposition of the party to any form of racial integration, such as Interacial marrige.

YouTube - The Constitution of the BNP
The leader can;
Change sections of the constitution without consultation with the members
Block any proposals from anyone asking for a change to the constitution
Dismiss any BNP member for anything he sees fit
Proscribe members from having any contact with any individual or organisation he chooses

The BNP is currently NOT a democratic party. So Y, would you trusted to be democratic in government.

From the BNP constitution

The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples.
That has to include marriage.
and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.
" legal changes" such as Banning interracial marriages?

[Nicholas]

What the hell has the above post got to do with the BNP. I thought this was for ACTUAL manifestos and party information NOT hearsay and rhetoric.

[Marxist Nutter]

What the hell has the above post got to do with the BNP. I thought this was for ACTUAL manifestos and party information NOT hearsay and rhetoric.

This was not hearsay the link goes directly to the BNP site and thus all claims are evidenced and related to the thread.

[Nicholas]

This was not hearsay the link goes directly to the BNP site and thus all claims are evidenced and related to the thread.

Okay then where on earth does it say on any BNP manifesto that the party would ban inter racial marraige?

[Marxist Nutter]

Okay then where on earth does it say on any BNP manifesto that the party would ban inter racial marraige?

That was not the point Neo made. Neo's point was (If understand correctly)
if the BNP are 'wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples" (BNP constitution) Then how can they not be anti inter-racial marriage???

This seems a valid question, to me at least. Any ideas, Nic?

[Neo2012]

What the hell has the above post got to do with the BNP. I thought this was for ACTUAL manifestos and party information NOT hearsay and rhetoric.

what a complete hypocrite. You're always whining and whining about people not giving a free platform to the fascists, and here you are censoring freedom of speech.

[Patriot1]

Okay then where on earth does it say on any BNP manifesto that the party would ban inter racial marraige?

I'm quite sure that the BNP does ban inter-racial marriage.
And I think I see where they were coming from with that. Due to the immigrant population reproducing faster than the british, meaning we will be the minority in the UK by around 2050. (Whites are already the minority in some cities).

However, even as a BNP supporter I am completely agaisnt that policy and hope that if they ever come close to gaining political power that they would change this.

On the other hand, the BNP are the only party who offer real potential political change to this United Kingdom, so I guess you gotta take the good with the bad.

[Keyser]

I'm quite sure that the BNP does ban inter-racial marriage.
And I think I see where they were coming from with that. Due to the immigrant population reproducing faster than the british, meaning we will be the minority in the UK by around 2050. (Whites are already the minority in some cities).

However, even as a BNP supporter I am completely agaisnt that policy and hope that if they ever come close to gaining political power that they would change this.

On the other hand, the BNP are the only party who offer real potential political change to this United Kingdom, so I guess you gotta take the good with the bad.

What are you a moron? you want to people ecause they are better than reproduction that you? Why dont you ban all black people from the
olympics 100m cos they can run faster than white people.
PS re your enoch quote, he only had grounds to whine about immigration because your grandad was too lazy to do his bus drivers job and shipped in jamaicans etc to do his job

[Midas]

Keyser, please refrain from name-calling and making personal attacks on other members. Any further such remarks will earn you an infraction.

[Patriot1]

What are you a moron? you want to people ecause they are better than reproduction that you? Why dont you ban all black people from the
olympics 100m cos they can run faster than white people.
PS re your enoch quote, he only had grounds to whine about immigration because your grandad was too lazy to do his bus drivers job and shipped in jamaicans etc to do his job

No, I'm not a moron.
I dont think understand your first statement.
I only said I understand where they are coming from, but I dont agree with it.
Its not about the fact that they reproduce faster, its the fact that our cities are being overwhelmed with immigrants, mosques and other un-British buildings and people that are eroding our culture and creating racial tension. We already have Islam4UK demanding full Sharia law in the UK.
If there was no such thing as multi-culturism, there wouldnt be any racial tension or racial crimes and we wouldnt have to waste millions of pounds on keeping the peace.
Maybe my grandfather was too busy serving in the army to drive a bus.
Also, there was a labour shortage meaning there werent enough people to do all the jobs we needed, no one was lazy.