BNP opinion on Ghurkas

[Johnno]

I am interested to know if anyone has any quotes from party members regarding the BNP stance on the Ghurkas right to settle in the UK, and indeed if there are any BNP supporters reading this what are your thoughts?

[Number.6]

I am interested to know if anyone has any quotes from party members regarding the BNP stance on the Ghurkas right to settle in the UK, and indeed if there are any BNP supporters reading this what are your thoughts?

I think they should be allowed to stay. NG said that he would allow most of them to stay, but not all of them due to the costs.

[SussexWithLove]

Griffin said they have a right to live here.

Following on the same subject. The Sun has blatantly lied about BNP policy on the Gurkhas

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/05/the-sun-li...at-work-again/

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/05/gurkha-med...-nick-griffin/

[Neo2012]

I wonder if the BMP will sue the sun newspaper?



Have a look but the BNP leaflet says.

Kirklees Unity Exposing the Far Right: Lumley: BNP sickos slur hero Gurkha

Angry Joanna Lumley last night blasted a British National Party leaflet targeting a heroic Gurkha recently killed in action.

The Ab Fab star branded as “disgusting” the racist party’s use of a picture of Corporal Kumar Pun* with a cross through it. Thousands of the hate-filled leaflets also demand: “Stop this illegal Gurkha immigration.”

They were issued by teacher Adam Walker, a BNP candidate in next month’s European elections. His party warns of “Gurkha ghettos” if the Nepalese fighters win the right to settle here.

Joanna, 63, said: “The use of a brave British Army Gurkha’s photograph as part of their political campaign is disgusting, especially as he has not yet been buried. A vote for the BNP is a vote against all Gurkhas, against honour, sacrifice, duty and courage.”

Joanna yelled their war cry “Ayo Gorkhali” — “The Gurkhas are coming — outside the House of Commons last month after MPs backed her bid to let all Gurkhas who served in the British Army live here. Ministers ruled last week that Corporal Kumar’s widow and two daughters can stay in Britain. But in his leaflet for the European elections, Mr Walker, of Durham, uses scare tactics to demand they are sent packing.

It reads: “The Government would allow over half a million Gurkhas into this country. This will swamp our local housing and the NHS as most Gurkhas are elderly. They would contribute nothing.”

Last night a spokesman for the anti-racist group Searchlight said: “For the BNP to slur the memory of a serviceman who has laid down his life for his country is sick beyond belief.”

Sedgefield Labour MP Phil Wilson added: “This leaflet just shows what the BNP stand for. I was shocked. I didn’t think that even this party would go that far. It’s an absolute disgrace.

Gordon Brown has promised to review Gurkhas’ rights after a campaign led by Joanna, whose father fought with the brigade. About 36,000 have been denied UK residency despite being prepared to die for the country.

BNP leader Nick Griffin warned of “Gurkha ghettos” and vowed to remove all non-serving Gurkhas.

Technology teacher Mr Walker, 39, left Houghton Kepier Sports College in Houghton-le-Spring, Tyne and Wear, in 2007. He is being investigated over claims he used a school laptop in lessons to contribute racist views to online chats.

Sun


Posted by Kirklees Unity at 08:35
Labels: British National Party, Gurkha, Joanna Lumley, Nick Griffin

[SussexWithLove]

I wonder if the BMP will sue the sun newspaper?

I don’t think the BNP have the money to sue. There in the middle of a very expensive campaign

[littlenan]

Hi,

I am totally in support of the Gurkhas and signed the petition. I believe that if anybody is prepared to die for this Country they should have the right to live here. They have proved themselves good friends of the UK, in fact much more than friends.

The leaflet in question is a forgery. It is not a BNP leaflet but one cobbled together by some rather nasty people to discredit the BNP by using the Gurkhas which have a great deal of public support. They knew people would believe it. I think it is such a terrible thing to use these brave men for such smears.

These lies and smears are increasing in the run-up to the elections. Those on the left are determined to stop people voting for the BNP by fair means or foul. They care nothing for democracy and if they don't agree with a party then they will try to stop other people supporting it even if it means lying and smearing the BNP by using innocent people in their nasty plans.

You watch, you will see more and more nasty stories blaming the BNP or BNP members of doing or saying this nasty thing or that. They are desperate to stop the BNP getting support because they know more and more people are beginning to realise they are not racist, anymore than a Black Police Association is racist.

[littlenan]

I don’t think the BNP have the money to sue. There in the middle of a very expensive campaign

The Police are already involved and complaints have been sent to the Press Complaints Commision for the lies told in the Sun article.

I am not privy to what the BNP will do but I believe they probably do have enough money. Whether it is worth their while to sue, I am not sure. Their membership and supporters have increased dramatically over the last year or so which means their income must have increased quite a lot.

[SussexWithLove]

The Police are already involved and complaints have been sent to the Press Complaints Commision for the lies told in the Sun article.

I am not privy to what the BNP will do but I believe they probably do have enough money. Whether it is worth their while to sue, I am not sure. Their membership and supporters have increased dramatically over the last year or so which means their income must have increased quite a lot.

Yes but what comes in goes out at the moment. Its not the right time for a court case.

[Spitfire12]

you might want to look on the BNP website. I found it interesting reading. There's certainly lots of information that you will never see in the biased media we have at present! Apparently the leaflet about the Gurkhas supposedly put out by the BNP is a forgery and if that is the case then they should pay severe penalties - like a three-year prison sentence!

[Neo2012]

you might want to look on the BNP website. I found it interesting reading. There's certainly lots of information that you will never see in the biased media we have at present! Apparently the leaflet about the Gurkhas supposedly put out by the BNP is a forgery and if that is the case then they should pay severe penalties - like a three-year prison sentence!

Thanks, that was funny.
all the articles so melodramatic, and Full of conspiracy theory

The British National Party dismisses these smears as nothing more than the death rattle of a dying corrupt regime, frightened to death at the prospect of being swept away as the tide of history turns inexorably against their lies, corruption and treason.

Do they seriously believe Britain's media is controlled by the state?

[Spitfire12]

There is a letter on the BNP website just received from the Gurkha Justice Campaign and Joanna Lumley. The leaflet is a forgery and had nothing to do with the BNP. All I can say is that some people are going to some pretty drastic lengths to discredit the BNP. Fair enough if people do not support the BNP but plenty of people do and they should get a fair hearing like the rest of the legitimate political parties.

[Midas]

I am totally in support of the Gurkhas and signed the petition. I believe that if anybody is prepared to die for this Country they should have the right to live here. They have proved themselves good friends of the UK, in fact much more than friends.

Before everyone rushes to the defence of the Gurkhas, perhaps I should remind you of the 1947 tripartite agreement between Nepal, Britain and India (many more Gurkhas serve in the Indian army than in our own) which forms part of their contract with the British Army and which decrees:

“A Gurkha soldier must be recruited as a Nepali citizen, must serve as a Nepali citizen and must be resettled as a Nepali citizen.”

In other words every single Gurkha who signed up to kill on behalf of Britain knew full well that there was no specific residency or citizenship deal accompanying it.

[Neo2012]

Well if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If this leaflet was a forgery, then I've made a mistake in believing it.

[Neo2012]

Having said that, Nick Griffin's line on this, just illustrates what political prostitute he is. All his life he has banged on about racial purity to his comrades in the the kkk etc, and now what? Sell out any principle, for a few votes. He is to fascism, what Tony Blair was to the labour party. Hopefully he will have the same corrosive effect upon the fascist ideology in the BNP, and the fascist hardcore including Griffin will be evicted, before they can unleash hell upon us all.

[SussexWithLove]

All his life he has banged on about racial purity to his comrades in the the kkk etc, and now what? .

What utter lies. You are just the same as the other UAF liar Weymann Bennett. You lot will say anything to try and get one over on the BNP and the public knows this.

You won’t even discuss your concerns with the BNP. Until you stop acting like children and actually shared platforms with them you wont gain any respect.

BUNCH OF LIARS.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOEuEA-JJJc

[Neo2012]

What utter lies. You are just the same as the other UAF liar Weymann Bennett.

In your own words you admit you haven't got a clue about what Griffin has said, done, and fought for.

Has he ever been a fascist? I don’t know his past life well enough to say. I know a lot about him now. He is a 50 year old man trying to make a difference and he's doing this without being a fascist.

Maybe he did do or say some stupid things in his younger days, however, I'm not that concerned about what people did 20 years ago, I’m interested in what people are doing in present day.

What distinguished him from Tyndall - The present BNP party. I couldn’t see Tyndall agreeing with a lot of what Griffin has to say, which is probably one of the reasons why Tyndall was kicked out.






What fascist organisations has he been a member of and when?

You may call some organisations fascist when in fact they are not.







Griffin has had links with all of them. Bold statement. And again, it depends what you personally view as fascist.
Plus when you say the buzz word "link" this could mean anything to attending one conference with them to using the same toilet.
Its like me saying I have links with Stephen Segal because I shook his hand once at a Japanese festival.

as I have said to you elsewhere;

I respect you, because of something you said the other day, because it is something I've thought myself at one time. You said you didn't blame foreigners, you cannot blame anyone for wanting to better their lives, you said you had blame the government for letting them in. In the 1970s the national front was quite Big, and the debate about immigration like it is today. At that time I had too thought we couldn't blame foreigners, you cannot blame anyone for wanting to better their lives, you had blame the government for letting them in. So I agree with you it is possible to be opposed to immigration, while still being opposed to racism.
With regard to Griffin, I'm not going to try and convert you now. All I would ask is that you look with an open mind at the mountains of evidence, categorical evidence that he was at one time a fascist. Look how he was driven by a desire to achieve racial purity, through apartheid. And then listen with fresh ears what he says today. As he said in that speech in the video, he carefully uses words that won't alienate his fascist core support, but will also not alienate more reasonable people like yourself to the left of him.
As far as I'm concerned, the conservative party and UKIP etc. Have always been a fairly racist parties, hostile to Europe, and strong on immigration, BUT I would never call them fascist or think that no platform was a legitimate tactic to be employed upon them. If Nick Griffin was just a racist, I would never agree to no platform. If Nick Griffin was just against immigration controls, I would never agreed to no platform. The only reason I try to use no platform on Nick Griffin, is because I have looked at the mountains of evidence about fascism and Griffin, and decided no platform is the best strategy for opposing fascism, and opposing Griffin because he is indeed a fascist. I wish he wasn't.

[SussexWithLove]

In your own words you admit you haven't got a clue about what Griffin has said, done, and fought for.
as I have said to you elsewhere;

I respect you, because of something you said the other day, because it is something I've thought myself at one time. You said you didn't blame foreigners, you cannot blame anyone for wanting to better their lives, you said you had blame the government for letting them in. In the 1970s the national front was quite Big, and the debate about immigration like it is today. At that time I had too thought we couldn't blame foreigners, you cannot blame anyone for wanting to better their lives, you had blame the government for letting them in. So I agree with you it is possible to be opposed to immigration, while still being opposed to racism.
With regard to Griffin, I'm not going to try and convert you now. All I would ask is that you look with an open mind at the mountains of evidence, categorical evidence that he was at one time a fascist. Look how he was driven by a desire to achieve racial purity, through apartheid. And then listen with fresh ears what he says today. As he said in that speech in the video, he carefully uses words that won't alienate his fascist core support, but will also not alienate more reasonable people like yourself to the left of him.
As far as I'm concerned, the conservative party and UKIP etc. Have always been a fairly racist parties, hostile to Europe, and strong on immigration, BUT I would never call them fascist or think that no platform was a legitimate tactic to be employed upon them. If Nick Griffin was just a racist, I would never agree to no platform. If Nick Griffin was just against immigration controls, I would never agreed to no platform. The only reason I try to use no platform on Nick Griffin, is because I have looked at the mountains of evidence about fascism and Griffin, and decided no platform is the best strategy for opposing fascism, and opposing Griffin because he is indeed a fascist. I wish he wasn't.

You're a liar, like your oganisation. I challenged you on the points reference the so called "link" with an EX member of the KKK and all the other points you brought up.

I dont know Griffin personally to comment if he WAS a fascist in his younger days. I know he said some stupid things but the evidence that you have doesn’t convince me he WAS a fascist.

You have crap weak so called "links". This isn’t proper evidence. So to state:
"All his life he has banged on about racial purity to his comrades in the kkk etc, and now what?" is complete rubbish.

He wasn’t anything to do with the KKK. This is a fact. So what a big fat liar.

This is typical UAF behaviour. Bunch or Liars. How can anyne take you lot seriously?

[Neo2012]

You're a liar, like your oganisation. I challenged you on the points reference the so called "link" with an EX member of the KKK and all the other points you brought up.

I dont know Griffin personally to comment if he WAS a fascist in his younger days. I know he said some stupid things but the evidence that you have doesn’t convince me he WAS a fascist.

You have crap weak so called "links". This isn’t proper evidence. So to state:
"All his life he has banged on about racial purity to his comrades in the kkk etc, and now what?" is complete rubbish.

He wasn’t anything to do with the KKK. This is a fact. So what a big fat liar.

This is typical UAF behaviour. Bunch or Liars. How can anyne take you lot seriously?

Have you read what GRIFFIN has written on the topic racial purity?

PS. One of the first things I did on becoming interested in the topic of fascism, was to read Mien Kampf. Always best to view a problem from every angle in my opinion.

[Midas]

Come on you two, this childish tit for tat isn't getting either of you anywhere and just puts other people off from making any comments.

[Neo2012]

Come on you two, this childish tit for tat isn't getting either of you anywhere and just puts other people off from making any comments.

feel free mate to comment, along with anybody else. Is only a bit of fun.

[SussexWithLove]

Come on you two, this childish tit for tat isn't getting either of you anywhere and just puts other people off from making any comments.

tit for tat. A good definition for the debating of politics.

A little like your debating with Trouble that we all have to put up with.

[Opinionated]

A little like your debating with Trouble that we all have to put up with.

Got a point there!
Neo you're going to have to give up, Sussex cannot seem to look at the evidence from the same angle as us when it comes to Mr Griffin. This worries me a little because I don't even think Griffin is that charismatic; but if enough people like Sussex are concerned (frightened) by what is seen as the rising tide of Islamic extremism to ignore what we think is glaringly obvious then he could actually make some advancement for his nasty little agenda.

[SussexWithLove]

Got a point there!
Neo you're going to have to give up, Sussex cannot seem to look at the evidence from the same angle as us when it comes to Mr Griffin. This worries me a little because I don't even think Griffin is that charismatic; but if enough people like Sussex are concerned (frightened) by what is seen as the rising tide of Islamic extremism to ignore what we think is glaringly obvious then he could actually make some advancement for his nasty little agenda.

I would like to ask you a question. What exactly would Griffin and Co. do that would be so evil if they got into power?

[Opinionated]

I would like to ask you a question. What exactly would Griffin and Co. do that would be so evil if they got into power?

Sussex, the answer to that all hangs on whether you think they are hiding their true colours behind a vaneer of respectability which will be dropped should they ever get into power. You don't think so and no amount of evidence it would seem will sway you; but a lot of people do believe that they are hiding right wing extremist views which would mean the creation of a neo nazi government.
Personally hope that we never find out, but should we then I hope that I am wrong.

[Trouble43]

Sussex, the answer to that all hangs on whether you think they are hiding their true colours behind a vaneer of respectability which will be dropped should they ever get into power. You don't think so and no amount of evidence it would seem will sway you; but a lot of people do believe that they are hiding right wing extremist views which would mean the creation of a neo nazi government.
Personally hope that we never find out, but should we then I hope that I am wrong.

Utterly agree - I think once they got in it would be bye bye democracy, hello fascist/racist state.

At best they would be a bunch of nationalists that would use various parts of society (ie muslims, etc) as scapegoats for all the UK's ills. AT worst they would be fascists who would turn this country into a fascist/racist country.

Neither option any good; one is just a slightly lesser evil than the other.

[SussexWithLove]

Sussex, the answer to that all hangs on whether you think they are hiding their true colours behind a vaneer of respectability which will be dropped should they ever get into power. You don't think so and no amount of evidence it would seem will sway you; but a lot of people do believe that they are hiding right wing extremist views which would mean the creation of a neo nazi government.
Personally hope that we never find out, but should we then I hope that I am wrong.

Answer the question.

[SussexWithLove]

AT worst they would be fascists who would turn this country into a fascist/racist country.
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It already is.

[Opinionated]

Answer the question.

I thought I had!
You asked : What exactly would Griffin and Co. do that would be so evil if they got into power?
And I used the term neo-nazi (do you want me to go into specifics about possible atrocities and human rights violations?), I added the proviso that this could not be proven to be his intention (although the evidence you call laughable is pretty convincing to me).

[SussexWithLove]

I thought I had!
You asked : What exactly would Griffin and Co. do that would be so evil if they got into power?
And I used the term neo-nazi (do you want me to go into specifics about possible atrocities and human rights violations?), I added the proviso that this could not be proven to be his intention (although the evidence you call laughable is pretty convincing to me).

I want to know what exactly you think they would do once in power that would be classed as neo-Nazi behaviour?

I think no one actually has a clue. You're just running along with this neo-Nazi idea and can’t even tell me what the actual threat is? What will we be facing if they got into power? What would they do?

You cant just answer, "neo-Nazi" as the standard answer for everything. This isn’t an answer.

[Opinionated]

I think no one actually has a clue. You're just running along with this neo-Nazi idea and can’t even tell me what the actual threat is? What will we be facing if they got into power? What would they do?

You cant just answer, "neo-Nazi" as the standard answer for everything. This isn’t an answer.

OK then I think if my fears were realised we would see a very restricted one-party authoritarian police state, worse case scenario this would include death camps for anyone who dared oppose them or was different. Will that do for a start?

[Trouble43]

I want to know what exactly you think they would do once in power that would be classed as neo-Nazi behaviour?

I think no one actually has a clue. You're just running along with this neo-Nazi idea and can’t even tell me what the actual threat is? What will we be facing if they got into power? What would they do?

You cant just answer, "neo-Nazi" as the standard answer for everything. This isn’t an answer.

They would forcibly 'repatriate' anyone not of a white colour; possibly also anyone not of a 'British' nationality as well. This would be even those who are third or fourth generation ethnic groups.

They would impose an 'apartheid' style class system with the coloured ethnic groups on the bottom of the pile; they would blame the muslims for everything that is wrong with this country....oh wait, they're already doing that.

THAT is basically what being a neo nazi means. Just refer back to 1933 in Germany and work forward - history tells you everything you need to know.

[SussexWithLove]

OK then I think if my fears were realised we would see a very restricted one-party authoritarian police state, worse case scenario this would include death camps for anyone who dared oppose them or was different. Will that do for a start?

See living on dream world. To actually think they would have death camps if ridiculous in this day and age.

You don’t really know why you fear the BNP, you've just been sucked right in.

Death camps is laughable.

[SussexWithLove]

They would forcibly 'repatriate' anyone not of a white colour; possibly also anyone not of a 'British' nationality as well. This would be even those who are third or fourth generation ethnic groups.

They would impose an 'apartheid' style class system with the coloured ethnic groups on the bottom of the pile; they would blame the muslims for everything that is wrong with this country....oh wait, they're already doing that.

THAT is basically what being a neo nazi means. Just refer back to 1933 in Germany and work forward - history tells you everything you need to know.

You mean they would change every single one of their policies that got them elected. I don’t think so. They wouldn’t last 5 minutes.

[Johnno]

You mean they would change every single one of their policies that got them elected. I don’t think so. They wouldn’t last 5 minutes.

They would last at least 4 years, but i dont think the BNP would bring death camps in that does seem a little absurd.

However...

How can people defend NG and say hes not a racist when he gives speeches to the KKK and white supremisist groups?

[SussexWithLove]

How can people defend NG and say hes not a racist when he gives speeches to the KKK and white supremisist groups?

He's never given a speech to the KKK. He's shared a platform with an EX KKK leader. This was at a nationalist conference. That’s the only feeble link.

[SussexWithLove]

They would last at least 4 years

No they wouldn’t because parliament, public and the Royal family would call for a general election, plus there would be a revolution with Griffin's head on a plate.

[Johnno]

No they wouldn’t because parliament, public and the Royal family would call for a general election, plus there would be a revolution with Griffin's head on a plate.

The current royal family would not get involved with politics to such a degree.

The public wants an election now, are we getting one?

If they where elected it would need an impossible swing to get into government, so that would mean massive public backing so i doubt a revolution would be on the cards.

[SussexWithLove]

The current royal family would not get involved with politics to such a degree.

The public wants an election now, are we getting one?

If they where elected it would need an impossible swing to get into government, so that would mean massive public backing so i doubt a revolution would be on the cards.

If the BNP started rounding up legal immigrants and kicking them out by force or what Opinionated said, setting up death camps, the Royal family has the power to call for a general election.

What the current government is doing now isn’t breaking international laws, they are actually destroying this country within the laws, hence, no general election.

I personally don’t want to vote in any more of these terrorist governments (Typically labour) who wage war in the Middle East.

[Trouble43]

If the BNP started rounding up legal immigrants and kicking them out by force or what Opinionated said, setting up death camps, the Royal family has the power to call for a general election.

What the current government is doing now isn’t breaking international laws, they are actually destroying this country within the laws, hence, no general election.

I personally don’t want to vote in any more of these terrorist governments (Typically labour) who wage war in the Middle East.

The royal family are just figurheads - there's actually very little they can do. The days of dissolving parliament on the royal say so died with Charles I. Cromwell did it admittedly, when he dissolved the rump parliament in 1653, but that was a one off show of strength by a dictator who wasn't getting his own way. On paper they have powers, in reality they have none.

The queen hasn't dissolved parliament now has she? Despite the nonsense that has reduced our government and its members to a global laughing stock, and our country's people to a raging mob. She won't either; because, ultimately, she can't. She is reduced to telling Brown merely to sort it all out - something he seems too uncaring to do. Her knows he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the next GE, so he couldn't give a rats bum what happens now.

[Marxist Nutter]

The royal family are just figurheads - there's actually very little they can do. The days of dissolving parliament on the royal say so died with Charles I. Cromwell did it admittedly, when he dissolved the rump parliament in 1653, but that was a one off show of strength by a dictator who wasn't getting his own way. On paper they have powers, in reality they have none.
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I disagree. The distinction of 'in theory' and 'in reality' may be important in the general argument (of our monarchy/ constitution) . However in the specific case of the here and now, just suppose the Queen used her 'theoretical power' (that our entire constitution relies on btw) to dissolve parliament - IN REALITY would anybody stop her? I think not. I think she would enjoy near 100% support from the public and especially the Sun. Thus I think that right now the Queen can dissolve parliament in theory and in reality - Who would stop / could stop her, not her own army or police, surely and if our corrupt MPs tried to raise an army for parliament - well Trouble - how far do you think they'll get really, how many volunteers to fight for Gordon against the Queen??- she chooses not to and it is a shame there is no way democratically chastise her for it.

[Opinionated]

See living on dream world. To actually think they would have death camps if ridiculous in this day and age.

Tell that to the people of Rwanda!

You don’t really know why you fear the BNP, you've just been sucked right in.

I've had enough of this , it is certainly not laughable that you, a seemingly intelligent and rational person has bought into the false face presented by NG. It doesn't seem to matter how many times I explain how I have interpreted the evidence against NG, you are crippled by your fear of Muslims and have bought the party line. It is the opinion of the majority in this country that the BNP is an extremist right wing party, you are saying that everyone of those (including politics and history professors etc.) hold laughable views!
Someone who felt strongly enough in their opinions as a young man to put into writing his desire to see non-whites "wiped from the face of the earth" (tell me death camps are ridiculous again) and has said in public "Mein Kampf is my bible" does not reverse his views as easily as Griffin appears to. Speaking of Mein Kampf it was published in 1925/6 and ten years later Hitler hadn't changed his views had he?
Of course he knew that that "nationalist" conference was full of KKK members don't be ridiculous, he knew Duke well (having met with him various times) and would definately know his supporters would be present. I could have told him and I've never had anything to do with Duke.

Death camps is laughable.

Well I did purposely write "worst case scenario", thankfully this is all conjecture, and whilst a real concern to many people, a BNP government is something the majority will fight to prevent. Do you understand what a one party state is? Any opposition (again this is worst case scenario) is silenced, by death if necessary. As for the queen, get real, do you know what happened to Spain's King Jose Antonia Primo De Riviera when Franco decided he was too liberal?
We're getting nowhere with all these threads so I am not going to post along these lines again after this; but one last thing I am still waiting for any BNP member who has been involved with the BNP during its transformation to explain to me how they came to turn their backs on the violence, hatred and anti-semitism they signed up to under the then National Front. Was there for example a specific moment of clarity, a road to Damaskas experience - perhaps someone should ask Nick Griffin that!

[Trouble43]

I disagree. The distinction of 'in theory' and 'in reality' may be important in the general argument (of our monarchy/ constitution) . However in the specific case of the here and now, just suppose the Queen used her 'theoretical power' (that our entire constitution relies on btw) to dissolve parliament - IN REALITY would anybody stop her? I think not. I think she would enjoy near 100% support from the public and especially the Sun. Thus I think that right now the Queen can dissolve parliament in theory and in reality - she chooses not to and it is a shame there is no way democratically chastise her for it.

Sadly parliament carry the actual power - as shown by the fact that, despite so many blatently breaking the fraud laws they're all still free (would we be shown the same lienency? I doubt it).

She could take the initiative and say that she has the power under paper due to the constitution; but the constitution is all but defunct thanks to Brown and the Lisbon treaty. Whilst I don't think she'd be beheaded as Charles I was, I certainly don't think parliament would sit back and take it.

Yes, the people would back her - as would much of the media - but once the next lot were installed you'd suddenly find her being very much sidelined. Perhaps they would do away with the monarchy altogether - although that's just supposition obviously.

At the end of the day she's doing what she can, but she's also protecting her family. I might not agree with it, but I do understand it. In her shoes, I'd probably do the same.

The fault, solely and squarely, lies with parliament and the fat pigs there that are snouting through the troughs.

Every time I hear about the expenses row I think of Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. The pigs obviously - and their statement " "Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure. On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

The classic hypocrisy is never more poignant than at this moment with parliament so deeply imbedded in its self serving attitude.

As the the final abridged version of the animals commandments says "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."

And there you have the MPs views of them.....and us.

[Trouble43]

Tell that to the people of Rwanda!

Or those that were massacred during the serbian/kosovan war; where the mass graves and abandoned camps are still coming to light.

[Marxist Nutter]

Sadly parliament carry the actual power - as shown by the fact that, despite so many blatently breaking the fraud laws they're all still free (would we be shown the same lienency? I doubt it).

She could take the initiative and say that she has the power under paper due to the constitution; but the constitution is all but defunct thanks to Brown and the Lisbon treaty. Whilst I don't think she'd be beheaded as Charles I was, I certainly don't think parliament would sit back and take it.

Yes, the people would back her - as would much of the media - but once the next lot were installed you'd suddenly find her being very much sidelined. Perhaps they would do away with the monarchy altogether - although that's just supposition obviously.

At the end of the day she's doing what she can, but she's also protecting her family. I might not agree with it, but I do understand it. In her shoes, I'd probably do the same.

The fault, solely and squarely, lies with parliament and the fat pigs there that are snouting through the troughs.

Every time I hear about the expenses row I think of Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. The pigs obviously - and their statement " "Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure. On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

The classic hypocrisy is never more poignant than at this moment with parliament so deeply imbedded in its self serving attitude.

As the the final abridged version of the animals commandments says "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."

And there you have the MPs views of them.....and us.

Just imagine she did it. As I said nobody could stop her (in theory or in reality). Now the next lot that come in try to take her powers away after she just did a very popular thing, I do not think it would go down well, also once she'd dissolved parliament once, I think MPs may think twice before picking a constitutional fight (especially where the public are all pretty much on her side) - they may be self serving but they are not suicidal.

[Trouble43]

Just imagine she did it. As I said nobody could stop her (in theory or in reality). Now the next lot that come in try to take her powers away after she just did a very popular thing, I do not think it would go down well, also once she'd dissolved parliament once, I think MPs may think twice before picking a constitutional fight (especially where the public are all pretty much on her side) - they may be self serving but they are not suicidal.

Once they were in power they could pretty much do what they want. As is being proven now. I don't think she would risk the future of her family like that - I know I wouldn't.

Popular or not what does that matter? The country are baying for blood right now and what's happening? Nothing.

Brown is telling us he wants to stay in power for OUR own good. Once again I refer to my previous quote from 'animal farm'. One of my most favourite novels; particularly at the moment as it mirrors our government so well.

[Odaat]

In an interview on 5 Live yesterday morning, Nick Griffin said that the Gurkhas were nothing more than mercinaries and didn't deserve the right to settle here.

Later in the interview he said England international footballers Rio Ferdinand, Theo Walcott and David James were not English.

Sums up the BNP. Despite all their protests to the contrary, they are a nazi organisation. Given a platform on national radio their leader couldn't muster even a thin veneer of credibility.

[Expounder]

The pre war British Union of facists led by Sir Oswald Moseley supported Hitler and the Nazis dressed and paraded in para military uniform........Morphed into the British Union of facists post war..................Into The Acton party.............. Into The National front.............. into the BNP. Gradually diluting it's exteme right wing message to make it more acceptable to British electors
having been unsuccessful with their previous policy manifestos.

While the expose by the Telegraph has rightly exposed the misuse of public funds, it's it's timing, has thrown a hand grenade into the European election process.

Public outrage over MP's expenses claims and Norman Tebbit's urging of electors to vote for minority parties will mean that many will use their vote for UKIP and the BNP not for their policies but as a protest vote against the mainstream parties.

I fear this is not a good time for democracy as some polititians and most of the public seem to think. Any sudden seismic changes in the political process that much of the public are demanding could lead, not to a squeeky clean political system, but a chaotic Parliament. Reforms[which are sorely needed] should be thought out with care, the finger must be taken off the panic button let the dust settle and take stock then take action.

British National Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Trouble43]

In an interview on 5 Live yesterday morning, Nick Griffin said that the Gurkhas were nothing more than mercinaries and didn't deserve the right to settle here.

Later in the interview he said England international footballers Rio Ferdinand, Theo Walcott and David James were not English.

Sums up the BNP. Despite all their protests to the contrary, they are a nazi organisation. Given a platform on national radio their leader couldn't muster even a thin veneer of credibility.

I find it ridiculous that the man says that he's not a racist, etc in his speeches - yet when he's interviewed his racist views are so blatently apparent.

He's also totally missed the public feeling about the ghurkas. The BNP and its supporters are the only ones, apart from the government, who didn't want them here. And even the government backed down - the BNP are, as usual, totally wrong.

Nick Griffin's most recent interview only proves that AND his racist credentials.

[SussexWithLove]

I find it ridiculous that the man says that he's not a racist, etc in his speeches - yet when he's interviewed his racist views are so blatently apparent.

He's also totally missed the public feeling about the ghurkas. The BNP and its supporters are the only ones, apart from the government, who didn't want them here. And even the government backed down - the BNP are, as usual, totally wrong.

Nick Griffin's most recent interview only proves that AND his racist credentials.

What interview?

The BNP have always shown support for the Ghurkas.

[Trouble43]

What interview?

The BNP have always shown support for the Ghurkas.

The 5LIVE one that Odaat mentioned.