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    The Politics Of Hate

    YouTube - The English Defence League chant anti-muslim abuse in Birmingham 4/7/09

    The English Defence League claim to be non-racist and only opposed to Islamic fundamentalists. However it is clear from their recent protest in Birmingham that many of them also despise ordinary muslims.

    In this clip they can be heard chanting 'you dirty muslim ********' (5s in and again at 1' 49s). Other chants from the EDL (not captured on this clip) included 'You can stick your Allah up your ar$e' and 'BNP, BNP, BNP'.

    BFF and BNP activists were spotted in the EDL crowd.

    The EDL plan to return to Brum on August 8.


    ps.
    there were no UAF at this.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    YouTube - The English Defence League chant anti-muslim abuse in Birmingham 4/7/09

    The English Defence League claim to be non-racist and only opposed to Islamic fundamentalists. However it is clear from their recent protest in Birmingham that many of them also despise ordinary muslims.

    In this clip they can be heard chanting 'you dirty muslim ********' (5s in and again at 1' 49s). Other chants from the EDL (not captured on this clip) included 'You can stick your Allah up your ar$e' and 'BNP, BNP, BNP'.

    BFF and BNP activists were spotted in the EDL crowd.

    The EDL plan to return to Brum on August 8.


    ps.
    there were no UAF at this.

    Although in no circumstances do I condone racism, do you understand why groups like this appear?

    I know the first video is a little offensive calling muslims "moslems" and "wolves", just read the information it gives and tell me why people preaching Islam are allowed to be racist.

    YouTube - EDL The Revolution

    YouTube - EDL: Uniting the English people


    Don't get me wrong, I'm no supporter of the EDL, they seem like a modern Combat 18 to me, but some of the headlines shown in those videos disturbed me very much.

    P.s. There was UAF at the second rally in which there was violence.

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot1 View Post
    just read the information it gives and tell me why people preaching Islam are allowed to be racist.
    Abu Hamza 1. The list goes on. Now you go and look how many Muslims have been imprisoned for inciting racial hatred, and compare that the number of national front, the BNP, and all the fascist organizations. do you want me to send you a copy of the mind benders, by nick Griffin? For which, he didn't even receive a prison sentence. Abbu Hamz and Nick Griffin are two sides of the same coin, and both should be dealt with the same way, imo.

    Now instead of keep hijacking threads on to other topics, talk about the issue of the thread, please. If you are not interested in it, and you don't want to comment on it, don't.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    Abbu Hamz and Nick Griffin are two sides of the same coin, and both should be dealt with the same way, imo.

    Now instead of keep hijacking threads on to other topics, talk about the issue of the thread, please. If you are not interested in it, and you don't want to comment on it, don't.
    If you don't want to look into the reasons why groups like these emerge then why bother talking about them?

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    this from Lionheart on 10 August 2009

    The fraud & imposter
    They say a picture tells a thousand words and there is no better picture to prove that point than this one.
    Due to the fact that I did not want my name dragged into things because of Chris Renton, I had absolutely no other alternative but to disassociate myself from his fraudulent version of the EDL.
    On several occasions I pleaded for him to do the right thing and he refused, even coming back with empty threats against me, which left me no alternative but to state my position.
    I am not anti-BNP, I am anti the extreme neo-Nazis who cling onto their coat tails because of the founding fathers of the parties original ideology. Nick Griffin has brought the BNP into the main political arena with one million British voters now voting for his party, with the potential of having MPs in Westminster at the next general election.
    It is not one million neo-Nazis, it is one million people who are living on the front lines in NULabours modern multi-cultural Britain and see that the ballot box and the BNP are their only hope to turn around the destruction of their communities and future way of life.
    I am not political and agree with different people in all parties.
    It is maverick grass roots BNP activists wanting to make a name for themselves, by using the BNP name that cause damage to the aims and objectives of the high level BNP politicians who are aiming for power, in order to be able to represent their British voters.
    As a Christian, I believe in the story of Saul who became Paul, which reflects anyone who turns to Christ. Based on Nick Griffins stance on Christianity, and his seasoned re-evaluated view on Israel and the Jews, who is to say that he has not reverted back to his Catholic faith and is now leading the party from that stand point?
    There is no disputing the Lefties accusations of Chris Renton being a grass roots BNP activist, based upon his Facebook activities several months ago, as those who were on his friends list will confirm. You would have to ask the BNP themselves if he is a registered member and activist though. I defended his position in the Talksport radio interview because somebody’s politics are their own prerogative and has nothing to do with me or the cause I am involved with.
    Things took a different course between me and those who I was working with, due to Renton’s influence over ‘Casuals United’. I separated myself from the group due to his actions. He and a few of his internet football friends then went on to hijack the EDL name, then going on their campaign of turning people against me so that they could carry the English Defence League name themselves, without any of my influence, and then out onto the streets of Birmingham.
    Renton then changed his Facebook name and started trying to use ‘Casuals United’ as a vehicle for his BNP activities and started asking people to join an anti-UAF protest on behalf of the BNP.
    Do high level BNP politicians, such as the two who are now in Europe, want their credibility damaged in the eyes of the electorate by links to football hooligans and riots on the streets of Britain because of the likes of Chris Renton?
    It is people like Chris Renton who damage not only the street movement that aims to be a neutral voice for the silent majority within Britain, but also the BNP that is becoming a modern, respectable alternative to the Establishment in Westminster.
    Is he an agent of the Left trying to blacken the BNP name? Is he part of a plot by the security services trying to stoke up trouble and blame it on the BNP? Is he a covert BNP activist working on behalf of the BNP? Or is he just someone wanting to make a name for himself, firstly through the BNP and now using the street movement that was birthed in Luton?
    This is what Nick Griffin MEP had to say: Birmingham 8th August, 2009
    I called Chris Renton’s hijacked EDL, a fraudulent copy of the real thing, and you only have to look at the above picture to see this.
    Him, standing in front of a placard saying we are not BNP is laughable. The Luton EDL division who created the placards are not BNP, because they have people of all colours and races amongst their ranks. They have been forced into defending this position out in the open when they should be attacking the Islamic militants because of Chris Renton but none of them decided to take the action necessary.
    I had no alternative but to state that any banners displayed on the day that were created by Chris Renton & Co were absolutely nothing to do with me.
    Email image below is what I told Chris Renton about the blood red Templar Cross of Christ that is on the placard he is holding.
    Image: Templar Cross
    The email image above was sent to him the day before the infamous Friday meeting that started the chain reaction leading to the division, split and then my complete withdrawal from the 8th August event.
    It is ironic because this is the clock they sat under in that meeting: clock
    In our email exchange (image below) where I am pleading with him not to use the EDL name, he totally disrespects my religious belief that is the same as all Knights Templars throughout the ages, and then goes on to stand underneath the Templar Cross on the day.
    Image: religious ****e
    I know for a fact that the leader of the Luton EDL division is a Catholic and has just baptised his children into the faith. He can stand and lead his people under that Cross, because he knows and believes the meaning behind it.
    How can anyone degrade the Christian belief like Chris Renton has, and then go on to stand under the Cross, even after he was asked not to?
    Charlatan!
    In the email image below he believes that the movement has nothing to do with me, and that I am the one bringing division and arguments.
    Image: division & arguments
    Those who I have worked with for several months, until Chris Renton caused the division with myself, and then the eventual split due to the Birmingham newspaper article stating the protest was a Casuals United event, would see things completely differently to that.
    After the split from ‘Casuals United’, I petitioned all of the groups to bring their groups under the English Defence League banner: Casuals split
    On the day in Birmingham you will see that the Luton EDL division, led by ‘Wayne King’, was the only EDL division present on the day. They, along with their placards, pulled off a professional and organised, peaceful protest against Islamic extremism in the face of extreme violence from the government funded, Moslem-filled, UAF army and the religious Moslems who came out for a war against them.
    The fraud and imposter was amongst their ranks and ended up having this picture taken that speaks a thousand words and justifies my stand of pulling out from any involvement whilst he had a hand in the direction of events.
    I wonder how EDL youths Joel, who is of mixed race, feels about someone writing on Stormfront under EDL, encouraging neo-Nazis to support the protest?
    I wonder, out of all the people involved in the hijacked EDL, who is the most likely to be whipping up support on Stormfront?
    No wonder the blacks in Birmingham sided with the Moslems on the day.
    The real EDL that the Luton division represented, is not politically motivated, although it does seek to influence political decisions. It is not racist and has people from all walks of life and ethnicities amongst its ranks, protesting under the EDL banner.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    There is so much information there that I dont understand the point you're trying to make

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    The English Defence League claim to be non-racist and only opposed to Islamic fundamentalists. .
    Neo claims to be non-fascist but he supports Sharia Law.

    You cant chop each others hand off, but you can have a bank account with special treatment.

    You cant throw stones at women but you can kill our cows in a barbaric manor.

    Why cant we say, If you want a Sharia bank account move to Saudi…. If you want to cause unnecessary pain to animals move to Saudi? This is not an Islamic country.

    Anyone who claims the BNP are fascist and Support any part of Sharia law are Hypocrites.

    How can this country be racist? Have you not seen the number of Mosques in this land or are you blind?

    Islamic fundamentalists only have themselves to blame for being this popular. My heart bleeds for them like the guts of the lost ones in London on 7 July 2005.

    If you don’t like it, move to Saudi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    You cant throw stones at women but you can kill our cows in a barbaric manor.
    Classic Sussex. rofl
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    Classic Sussex. rofl
    The best one is that you are anti-fascist but support Sharia law, you are so confused.

    (lol whos cows are they then? It makes me laugh that there is one rule for the English man and another for the Muslim. Shouldn’t we all live under the same set of rules in this country? Poor indigenous Cows.)


    http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/ritual_slaughter/goingforthekill01.htm


    Surely you dont support this barbaric behaviour from these fascists? Of course you do, because they are not the BNP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    Poor indigenous Cows.
    Totally unrelated topic
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    I’m not going to watch it, there is no point watching something from an under-cover fascist who claims he is anti-fascist.

    You've been found out Neo, you cant even defend yourself.

    You are pro Sharia law, which is far worse than any BNP policy and the constitution that you love quoting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    I’m not going to watch it, there is no point watching something from an under-cover fascist who claims he is anti-fascist.

    You've been found out Neo, you cant even defend yourself.

    You are pro Sharia law, which is far worse than any BNP policy and the constitution that you love quoting.
    I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus.
    I never knew Spartacus rebelled against the Roman Empire but supported mass immigration and a fascist out-dated barbaric Islamic religious system like you do. dream on pal.

    Spartacus wasn’t a hypocrite.

    You’d stand up and say “I’m Spartacus” and everyone else would point their finger and say, “yeah that’s him!”. No one likes a sleazy hypocrite with hidden agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    I never knew Spartacus rebelled against the Roman Empire but supported mass immigration and a fascist out-dated barbaric Islamic religious system like you do. dream on pal.

    Spartacus wasn’t a hypocrite.

    You’d stand up and say “I’m Spartacus” and everyone else would point their figure and say, “yeah that’s him!”. No one likes a sleazy hypocrite with hidden agendas.
    which figure would they point, at which hidden agendas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    which figure would they point, at which hidden agendas?

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    Obviously I meant finger. Then again, they could point at your figure (person) and expose you for the hypocrite you are.

    Neo, you support Sharia law but claim to be anti-fascist, why should we believe anything you say? (Im giving you the benefit of the doubt here with your knowledge of Islamic law, maybe you are just naive and don’t know what it is)

    Why do you support Sharia law and oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?



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    If you don't want to look into the reasons why groups like these emerge then why bother talking about them?
    They emerge because some very stupid people like to believe that all their problems can be blamed on a set of people. They think that they are better, and are egged on by fascist puppeteers like Griffin.
    If the UAF smashes up a load of racists, well, good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Smith View Post
    They emerge because some very stupid people like to believe that all their problems can be blamed on a set of people. They think that they are better, and are egged on by fascist puppeteers like Griffin.
    If the UAF smashes up a load of racists, well, good.
    Firstly, the EDl aren't racist, if anything they're "religionist" as they were formed to combat Islamifacation. They have white, black and members from other races.

    The English Defense League, unlike the BNP, is not a political party. Instead, much like the UAF, it is an organisation set up to tackle one particular issue: The rise of (in particular extreme) Islam in Britain. This includes Shariah law. As "United Agaisnt fascism" oppose all fascism, they have no right protesting agaisnt the EDL as they should be marching with them. This only adds to the evidence that the UAF support the fascist shariah law in Britain.

    And I quote:

    The UAF stirred up the local crowd into thinking that we were the BNP, or a racist group which we are not. Our message is very clear - Remove Islamic Fundamentalists from our streets, and Remove ALL practice of Shari'ah Law in England.
    The UAF had NO place, or reason to counter demonstrate against us whatsoever, unless they have a hidden agenda and support these vile issues that are spreading through our Country like the Plague.
    The UAF have a history of provoking violence, but this instance has bewildered belief. The only possible reason for this provocation would be to put the blame for the violence onto the EDL, and this is exactly what they have tried to do.

    http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/uaf-spark-near-race-riots-in-birmingham-080809.html

    So the EDL aren't blaming immigrants for anything. They only want to cease the Islamifacation of Britain and they are organised by Griffin, but in fact, a totally different group of people.

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    Obviously I meant finger. Then again, they could point at your figure (person) and expose you for the hypocrite you are.

    Neo, you support Sharia law but claim to be anti-fascist, why should we believe anything you say? (Im giving you the benefit of the doubt here with your knowledge of Islamic law, maybe you are just naive and don’t know what it is)

    Why do you support Sharia law and oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?



    when did you stop beating your wife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    when did you stop beating your wife?

    I'm British and I was brought up to respect women and certainly not hurt them. As for your Sharia brothers, well, wife beating is common place.


    Why do you support Sharia law and oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot1 View Post
    Firstly, the EDl aren't racist, if anything they're "religionist" as they were formed to combat Islamifacation. They have white, black and members from other races.

    .

    I never mentioned or referred to the EDI, so don't flatter yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Smith View Post
    I never mentioned or referred to the EDI, so don't flatter yourself.
    Neo's first post was about an EDL march in Birmingham.
    I then asked why he didnt want to talk about why groups like that emerge, which you quoted.

    So how was I supposed to know you were being

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot1 View Post
    Neo's first post was about an EDL march in Birmingham.
    I then asked why he didnt want to talk about why groups like that emerge, which you quoted.

    So how was I supposed to know you were being

    ooooooo, your using the off topic icons now are you..... scary stuff...




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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    I'm British and I was brought up to respect women and certainly not hurt them. As for your Sharia brothers, well, wife beating is common place.


    Why do you support Sharia law and oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?
    stop lieing, I don't have any brothers, only sister.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    stop lieing, I don't have any brothers, only sister.

    Why do you support Sharia law and oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    Why do you oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?
    that's right, me, the vast majority of the media, football clubs, churches, and all kinds of ordinary people believe believe that nick Griffin was a fascist, and a racist. We believe that when he denies EVER being fascist, and a racist he is clearly lying. We have seen no evidence whatsoever to suggest he has undergone a Damascus style conversion from his fascist ways.

    you have answered your question.

    As regard to your silly question, why don't you do a public poll asking, do you support sheria law? And then you will be able to have that discussion with people who are actually interested in the topic.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    As regard to your silly question, why don't you do a public poll asking, do you support sheria law? And then you will be able to have that discussion with people who are actually interested in the topic.
    Why do you support Sharia law and oppose the BNP if you believe the BNP are fascist?

    Its only a silly question to you because you can’t answer it. YOU support sharia law, Sharia law is a fascist law but then you say you are anti-BNP because they are fascist. Make your mind up, you're either anti-fascist or not.

    You're a hypocrite.

    You can’t cut my question in half because it loses its context. Answer the full question, it’s not difficult.

    Public polls have been done. 40% of Muslims want Sharia law in this country, so its a very serious subject considering there are 2.5 million Muslims in this country.

    YOU support Sharia law, why? Its fascist !!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    stop lieing, I don't have any brothers, only sister.
    You are obviously a member of an ethnic minority or a subversive religious grouping. You have all the motives of a child being told he cant join a group of friends.
    Vote BNP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas View Post
    You are obviously a member of an ethnic minority or a subversive religious grouping. You have all the motives of a child being told he cant join a group of friends.
    you people LOVE your conspiracy theories, don't you?

    btw, have you had your DNA tested?
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    Im not trying to silence you, i'm trying to question you, but you keep avoiding it.

    Why do you support Sharia law if you are Anti-fascist?

    http://www.politicspoliticalforum.com/bnp/13761-politics-hate.html
    It's against the rules, to a bully and harras somebody, into revealing aspects about their private life, whilst taking threads of topic. If you're not careful, you'll be expelled from the forum.
    So try and keep on topic Sussex, and wouldn't like to see you get banned.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    It's against the rules, to a bully and harras somebody, into revealing aspects about their private life, whilst taking threads of topic. If you're not careful, you'll be expelled from the forum.
    So try and keep on topic Sussex, and wouldn't like to see you get banned.
    Jesus Neo, i dont want to know what you do in your spare time, i really don’t care.

    I’m asking for your reasoning on a topic you care about so much and your posts. People need to give their own opinion on subjects, thats what this forum is all about. Otherwise, what is the point?

    You are clearly against fascism but you support a fascist religious system. If you are in fact a fascist yourself, then this surely makes a difference when replying to all your anti-BNP BULLY tactics, which makes it on topic because it is indeed about politics of hate.

    Why do you support Sharia law if you are Anti-fascist?
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    The following is THE FIRST mention of Shariah Law on this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    Neo claims to be non-fascist but he supports Sharia Law.
    You brought it up Sussex. Its your accusation to substantiate, not his to defend. Can you please provide me with posts where Neo has stated categorically that he supports Shariah law? If not, then either drop this point or I'm closing the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougieG View Post
    The following is THE FIRST mention of Shariah Law on this thread:



    You brought it up Sussex. Its your accusation to substantiate, not his to defend. Can you please provide me with posts where Neo has stated categorically that he supports Shariah law? If not, then either drop this point or I'm closing the thread.
    That's what he wants. He always gets threads shut down, by derailing them off topic. And considering this is expressly against the rules of the forum, shouldn't it be Sussex who is penalised, and not my threads?
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougieG View Post
    The following is THE FIRST mention of Shariah Law on this thread:



    You brought it up Sussex. Its your accusation to substantiate, not his to defend. Can you please provide me with posts where Neo has stated categorically that he supports Shariah law? If not, then either drop this point or I'm closing the thread.


    http://www.politic.co.uk/bnp/13759-islamic-banking.html

    He openly supports, online, Sharia bank accounts which is part of Sharia law. Why doesn’t he oppose all sections of Sharia as fundamentally it is fascist? If he doesn’t understand what Sharia is or is himself an Islamic fascist then it makes sense.

    He is stating that the English defense league is racist for only being against Islamic fascism, however how can Neo call someone racist for fighting against the one thing that he hates, fascism?

    His whole argument stinks because he is fighting fascism (if the BNP are fascist) but supports Islamic fascism.

    This means he is in fact racist against the indigenous people of this country, going by the context of his thread, because he only fights against white fascists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    http://www.politic.co.uk/bnp/13759-islamic-banking.html

    He openly supports, online, Sharia bank accounts which is part of Sharia law. Why doesn’t he oppose all sections of Sharia as fundamentally it is fascist? If he doesn’t understand what Sharia is or is himself an Islamic fascist then it makes sense.

    He is stating that the English defense league is racist for only being against Islamic fascism, however how can Neo call someone racist for fighting against the one thing that he hates, fascism?

    His whole argument stinks because he is fighting fascism (if the BNP are fascist) but supports Islamic fascism.

    This means he is in fact racist against the indigenous people of this country, going by the context of his thread, because he only fights against white fascists.
    I don't want you to get banned. Will have a look at the forum rules? If you read them, you would see the best way for you to go about things, would be to go to the thread you have pointed to, directly quote what you are worried about, and ask your question.

    I must remind you though. It is my choice whether I wish to answer. You cannot just bully, intimidate people and hijack every thread onto your agenda. This forum is here for everyone to enjoy, not just Sussex.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    That's what he wants. He always gets threads shut down, by derailing them off topic. And considering this is expressly against the rules of the forum, shouldn't it be Sussex who is penalised, and not my threads?
    I can't punish bad debate, otherwise it becomes too subjective what is 'good' and 'bad' reasoning. I can, however, close threads that are going nowhere and are getting close to breaking rules. Anyone reading your thread will see what you have to say and see that Sussex is simply making false accusations. Since you're not ever going to convince Nick or Suss that the BNP are horrible, then that's probably the best you can hope for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougieG View Post
    I can't punish bad debate, otherwise it becomes too subjective what is 'good' and 'bad' reasoning. I can, however, close threads that are going nowhere and are getting close to breaking rules. Anyone reading your thread will see what you have to say and see that Sussex is simply making false accusations. Since you're not ever going to convince Nick or Suss that the BNP are horrible, then that's probably the best you can hope for.
    well you might as well take this rule out;

    "4. Any attempt to 'hijack' threads by posting off-topic will result in your post being removed. If you need to start a new thread then please do so. Continuously breaking this important rule will result in infractions being given."

    It's clearly being breached, and nothing is being done to the breacher's, and those abiding by the rules are having their threads shut down.
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    well you might as well take this rule out;

    "4. Any attempt to 'hijack' threads by posting off-topic will result in your post being removed. If you need to start a new thread then please do so. Continuously breaking this important rule will result in infractions being given."

    It's clearly being breached, and nothing is being done to the breacher's, and those abiding by the rules are having their threads shut down.

    It is on topic, i showed you in the last thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo2012 View Post
    I don't want you to get banned. Will have a look at the forum rules? If you read them, you would see the best way for you to go about things, would be to go to the thread you have pointed to, directly quote what you are worried about, and ask your question.

    I must remind you though. It is my choice whether I wish to answer. You cannot just bully, intimidate people and hijack every thread onto your agenda. This forum is here for everyone to enjoy, not just Sussex.

    It is on topic and im not breaking any rules. I respect your decision to avoid my questions and valid hypocritcal points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    It is on topic and im not breaking any rules. I respect your decision to avoid my questions and valid hypocritcal points.
    Sussex, if you don't back up your accusations of Neo supporting Shariah law I will be forced to delete all posts in which you accuse him of it and then close the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougieG View Post
    Sussex, if you don't back up your accusations of Neo supporting Shariah law I will be forced to delete all posts in which you accuse him of it and then close the thread.

    http://www.politic.co.uk/bnp/13759-islamic-banking.html

    Ive already given it. He supports Sharia, click on this link and read. Sharia bank accounts is part of Sharia is it not?????

    (The clue is in the Sharia bit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    http://www.politic.co.uk/bnp/13759-islamic-banking.html

    Ive already given it. He supports Sharia, click on this link and read. Sharia bank accounts is part of Sharia is it not?????

    (The clue is in the Sharia bit)
    Shariah bank accounts are not fascist. You'll need to show that he supports capital/corporal punishment (the BNP do) and the unequal treatment of women in law, plus laws silencing speaking out against Islam. I support a very limited introduction of Sharia law (since nothing courts do can directly contravene British law, such as physically harming someone) in a way, though I would rather we didn't have it. Does that make me fascist?

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    Isn't the fact he refuses to deny it evidence.

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot1 View Post
    Isn't the fact he refuses to deny it evidence.
    No it is not. The right to remain silent may not exist in our anti-human rights country but it can certainly exist here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougieG View Post
    Shariah bank accounts are not fascist. You'll need to show that he supports capital/corporal punishment (the BNP do) and the unequal treatment of women in law, plus laws silencing speaking out against Islam. I support a very limited introduction of Sharia law (since nothing courts do can directly contravene British law, such as physically harming someone) in a way, though I would rather we didn't have it. Does that make me fascist?
    As I said before..........

    "I agree this part is not fascist but fundamentally Sharia is. If you support one part you may as well support the full hog.

    Its like, you may find a BNP policy which is harmless, but you would never encourage them supporting this policy because fundamentally you believe they are fascist, so you wouldn’t want to encourage any part.

    It’s called being a hypocrite."

    Keeping with topic of this thread you could say this behaviour was racist. Why do you people only try and squash white fascism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    It is on topic, i showed you in the last thread
    off topic, the topic in this thread IS the EDL.

    go to the thread you have pointed to, directly quote what you are worried about, and make your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot1 View Post
    Isn't the fact he refuses to deny it evidence.
    McCarthyite! :p
    The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexWithLove View Post
    As I said before..........

    "I agree this part is not fascist but fundamentally Sharia is. If you support one part you may as well support the full hog.

    Its like, you may find a BNP policy which is harmless, but you would never encourage them supporting this policy because fundamentally you believe they are fascist, so you wouldn’t want to encourage any part.

    It’s called being a hypocrite."

    Keeping with topic of this thread you could say this behaviour was racist. Why do you people only try and squash white fascism?
    Keep debate to one thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougieG View Post
    Keep debate to one thread.
    good idea
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