Nicholas Griffin on Radio 4 today talking about the voters No.1 concern

[newspresenter]

BBC News - Today - BNP 'will shut Britain's doors'

[DougieG]

It's not voters number 1 concern. It's your because you are a racist and it's others' because they believe the bat**** insane Daily Mail stories.

[Midas]

It's not voters number 1 concern. It's your because you are a racist and it's others' because they believe the bat**** insane Daily Mail stories.

It mightn't be the number one concern Dougie, but it certainly is a major concern to a great many British people.

[Citizen Smith]

It mightn't be the number one concern Dougie, but it certainly is a major concern to a great many British people.

Basically parties like the BNP and UKIP have worked very hard at scaring people about immigration, to try and get some support, and instead of telling the truth and calming everyone down the big parties have got scared and taken the idea themselves -talking tough and becoming increasingly xenophobic. The public gets even more whipped up, and it becomes a big issue in their confused minds. Plus the tabloid media are taken with the idea as well so its in their favourite trash rags day after day.

[DTE]

Basically parties like the BNP and UKIP have worked very hard at scaring people about immigration, to try and get some support, and instead of telling the truth and calming everyone down the big parties have got scared and taken the idea themselves -talking tough and becoming increasingly xenophobic. The public gets even more whipped up, and it becomes a big issue in their confused minds. Plus the tabloid media are taken with the idea as well so its in their favourite trash rags day after day.

Great stuff. I want to marry this post and have little post-like kids with it.

The problem is EU border control. The major parties avoid the issue because there is nothing they can do about it. The BNP and UKIP propose leaving the EU despite the all the money we would lose by doing such a thing. Then there is the misrepresentation of facts and spin-doctoring of stats, for starters asylum seekers DO NOT get preferential treatment with regards housing and benefits, NET migration IS down and falling, the white british people are NOT second class citizens. I worry for the fact that Farage the **** (self edited, you decide which 4 letter insult works best) is running against Bercow more or less unapposed. This man and his single-issue party have no place in Westminster, its bad enough he embarasses US ALL with his childish insults of the EU president in Brussels, the last thing we need is his shameless self-promotion taking up space in the Commons.

Wow. Bit of a rant there. Oh well

[Midas]

Great stuff. I want to marry this post and have little post-like kids with it.

Would those be like PostIt notes, except being communist red since they originate with CS, soon fail to work

The problem is EU border control. The major parties avoid the issue because there is nothing they can do about it.

Yes they can if they wanted, or at least they could tighten up the worst of its effects on the UK borders, particularly in respect of non-EU immigrants and supposed asylum seekers circumventing rules by simply coming to this country via another EU country. They could also become far more active in deporting illegal immigrants the moment they're found.

The BNP and UKIP propose leaving the EU despite the all the money we would lose by doing such a thing.

Where did you get that information from? The EU costs us a huge amount of money, the latest estimates (from the Taxpayer's Alliance and the Institute of Directors) being over £2,100 per year for every single person in the UK. including children. We'd be far better off out of it.

Then there is the misrepresentation of facts and spin-doctoring of stats, for starters asylum seekers DO NOT get preferential treatment with regards housing and benefits, NET migration IS down and falling, the white british people are NOT second class citizens.

I'm not entirely sure that's true. In many local authority areas asylum seeks do get preferential treatment, particularly with housing - I've seen it myself several times with immigrant families whose children attended my ex-partner's school. Net migration might be down, however you can't deny that having something like 10% of the country's population as immigrant, and the immigrant birth rate is set to exceed that of the indigenous British, is very worrying indeed. Walk down many of the High Streets in your part of the country Doc, and what do you see, or rather what don't you see? White faces and English names over shops. You might be happy with that, but a huge and increasing number of people aren't.

I worry for the fact that Farage the **** (self edited, you decide which 4 letter insult works best) is running against Bercow more or less unapposed. This man and his single-issue party have no place in Westminster, its bad enough he embarasses US ALL with his childish insults of the EU president in Brussels, the last thing we need is his shameless self-promotion taking up space in the Commons.

Finally in agreement! However I do support the broad principle of UKIP in that we should leave the EU as soon as we are able to do so, for many reasons including economic, jurisdictional and cultural.

[DTE]

Would those be like PostIt notes, except being communist red since they originate with CS, soon fail to work

Maybe not, but at least they'll play nice with other kids, rather than stealing their lunch money and/or having a school set up for them by their well-off parents who'll lose interest/close it down after little Archie/Tarquin has left to go work for Daddy at his investment firm/family business/child peadophile ring

Where did you get that information from? The EU costs us a huge amount of money, the latest estimates (from the Taxpayer's Alliance and the Institute of Directors) being over £2,100 per year for every single person in the UK. including children. We'd be far better off out of it.

And yet it costs us far less than France, Spain, Germany. What we need to do is have a proper referendum, and decide if are we in or out. At the moment we have a toe in the shallow end but no one embraces the EU because they know no one asked for it.

I'm not entirely sure that's true. In many local authority areas asylum seeks do get preferential treatment, particularly with housing - I've seen it myself several times with immigrant families whose children attended my ex-partner's school.

How do they get preferential treatment? There is no structure in place to provide immigrants with better housing than any other section of society. Its all half truths and misrepresentations. Most of the stories that come out on this topic are down to the ineptitude of individual council housing administrators, rather than a policy of favouring immigrants.

Net migration might be down, however you can't deny that having something like 10% of the country's population as immigrant, and the immigrant birth rate is set to exceed that of the indigenous British, is very worrying indeed.

And what do you propose we do about it? Adopt a chinese one-child policy?! If you accept that it IS a problem (and I don't) then thats a product of globalisation. 10% being immigrants is less than Australia, the US, Canada, Switzerland, and is comparable to both France and Germany. "Very worrying indeed" - oh no they're having little brown babies, aargh! Soon we'll be strangers in our own country! Except of course it'll be their country as well! What about all those indigenous brits having kids with immigrants, bloody half-choc mulatto brats running around!****ing hell lets all join the BNP

Walk down many of the High Streets in your part of the country Doc, and what do you see, or rather what don't you see? White faces and English names over shops. You might be happy with that, but a huge and increasing number of people aren't.

Cut to it shall we? **** those people. People can afford to fly, racial boundaries have come crashing down (well, for most people anyway), movement throughout the world is commonplace. People need to accept that all-white high streets are a thing of the past and perhaps examine WHY they crave a bygone time where there were no black or asian people. English names over shops? The high street was destroyed long before immigration got up in people's faces, again, another bi-product of globalisation, global capitalism in fact. You act like its only happening here! 10% of the Spanish foreign population is Brtish, the brits are flooding en-masse to Abu Dhabi, Dhubai, we set up all over the world. And do we integrate? Do we ****!?

Instead of hiding immigration we need to bring it out in the open. Insist people know or learn English when they arrive. Stop this vaccum on the issue that allows chaos and innuendo to take hold of people's imaginations.

Finally in agreement! However I do support the broad principle of UKIP in that we should leave the EU as soon as we are able to do so, for many reasons including economic, jurisdictional and cultural.

I'm not fully convinced that the EU in its current state is beneficial to Britain, economically there are arguments for and against, and strengthening our position within Europe would help. In terms of jurisdiction I agree, but again, like immigration there are so many lies out there perpetuated by parties like UKIP and the BNP. Culturally, I say bring it on. We could learn a few things from our european brothers and sisters. Culture in this country consists of Simon Cowell and OK! magazine.

[JacquesMagique]

Walk down many of the High Streets in your part of the country Doc, and what do you see, or rather what don't you see? White faces and English names over shops. You might be happy with that, but a huge and increasing number of people aren't.

Finally in agreement! However I do support the broad principle of UKIP in that we should leave the EU as soon as we are able to do so, for many reasons including economic, jurisdictional and cultural.

I like how all your supposed principles about individualism and free markets go out of the window when it comes to foreign people.

[Midas]

I like how all your supposed principles about individualism and free markets go out of the window when it comes to foreign people.

Not the case at all. Over the decades multiculturalism has contributed greatly to this country, being only half British myself you'd hardly expect me to say otherwise, but there comes a point when enough is enough, and we've already got beyond that point. It's one thing to welcome a certain amount of slowly integrated change into society, it's quite another to be swamped by it over a very short period of time, which is what's happening now in many towns and cities.

[Midas]

Maybe not, but at least they'll play nice with other kids, rather than stealing their lunch money...

Like those little thugs wandering the streets of pretty much any town and city you mean, the product of broken homes and uncaring families disenfranchised by the rapidly encroaching breakdown of social order over the last decade or so......

and/or having a school set up for them by their well-off parents who'll lose interest/close it down after little Archie/Tarquin has left to go work for Daddy at his investment firm/family business/child peadophile ring

Not sure what you expect me to say here, having sent all three of my kids to private school and help fund certain projects at both schools involved. Parents are hardly likely to go on doing that after their kids have left are they? I have to say I do object to your implied association of paedophile rings with private schools though! You have firm evidence for this, and that it's more prevalent than among people from state schools?

And yet it costs us far less than France, Spain, Germany. What we need to do is have a proper referendum, and decide if are we in or out. At the moment we have a toe in the shallow end but no one embraces the EU because they know no one asked for it.

That may be true, but we get far less per capita in return for our contributions than those countries do. I'll see if I can find it again, but a while back I quoted some figures relating to the disastrous effect of various EU policies on the UK fishing industry, just one of many to suffer massive depredations at the hands of EU legislation and the opening up of 'fair competition'.

How do they get preferential treatment? There is no structure in place to provide immigrants with better housing than any other section of society. Its all half truths and misrepresentations. Most of the stories that come out on this topic are down to the ineptitude of individual council housing administrators, rather than a policy of favouring immigrants.

They jumped the local authority housing queue, plain and simple.

And what do you propose we do about it? Adopt a chinese one-child policy?! If you accept that it IS a problem (and I don't) then thats a product of globalisation. 10% being immigrants is less than Australia, the US, Canada, Switzerland, and is comparable to both France and Germany. "Very worrying indeed" - oh no they're having little brown babies, aargh! Soon we'll be strangers in our own country! Except of course it'll be their country as well! What about all those indigenous brits having kids with immigrants, bloody half-choc mulatto brats running around!****ing hell lets all join the BNP

There's no simple answer to this problem, and it's something that has different effects on different countries. For instance you cite Australia, a country I know very well through longstanding family connections and very many visits. Yes, it's true that they have a higher immigrant percentage in their population than we do, however they're a vastly larger country and from what I've seen there's precious little of the ghettoising which occurs here. Immigrants are generally living side by side with the established population, and a few problem areas in a couple of the major cities apart, there's significantly more mixing of the communities both at work and at leisure. The same applies to Canada. If it was up to me I'd fully support the BNP's policy of making an ex-gratia payment to immigrant families to encourage them to leave; not the £50k which was suggested, but just for the sake of example, at £20k per family, cancelling Trident alone could pay for one million families to leave the country, to a far greater effect too! Oh, and just to clear up any possible misconception, if you'll excuse the pun in connection with "little brown babies", as far as I'm concerned this has nothing to do with any particular colour, race or religion; restrictions and should be right across the board irrespective of the original nationality of the immigrants concerned.

Cut to it shall we? **** those people. People can afford to fly, racial boundaries have come crashing down (well, for most people anyway), movement throughout the world is commonplace. People need to accept that all-white high streets are a thing of the past and perhaps examine WHY they crave a bygone time where there were no black or asian people. English names over shops? The high street was destroyed long before immigration got up in people's faces, again, another bi-product of globalisation, global capitalism in fact. You act like its only happening here! 10% of the Spanish foreign population is Brtish, the brits are flooding en-masse to Abu Dhabi, Dhubai, we set up all over the world. And do we integrate? Do we ****!?

I've pointed out myself, on several occasions, how hypocritical a lot of the British are when it comes to living in their own little English speaking communities; I've also pointed out that a certain degree of controlled multi-culturalism has been very beneficial, and will continue to be so, But as I've just said in reply to Jacques, enough is enough.

Instead of hiding immigration we need to bring it out in the open. Insist people know or learn English when they arrive. Stop this vaccum on the issue that allows chaos and innuendo to take hold of people's imaginations.

I quite agree with that; but I'd say that not only should immigrants speak adequate English, the family breadwinner should also have a full time job to come and the family should have enough available capital to enable them to live on for at least 2 years after their arrival given that there should be no benefits available to them for at least that time period.

I'm not fully convinced that the EU in its current state is beneficial to Britain, economically there are arguments for and against, and strengthening our position within Europe would help. In terms of jurisdiction I agree, but again, like immigration there are so many lies out there perpetuated by parties like UKIP and the BNP. Culturally, I say bring it on. We could learn a few things from our european brothers and sisters. Culture in this country consists of Simon Cowell and OK! magazine.

Again I agree with you, in part at least. I'd rather see us unilaterally pull out of the EU but retain all trading ties; they need us far more than we need them on almost all levels.

[JacquesMagique]

Not the case at all. Over the decades multiculturalism has contributed greatly to this country, being only half British myself you'd hardly expect me to say otherwise, but there comes a point when enough is enough, and we've already got beyond that point. It's one thing to welcome a certain amount of slowly integrated change into society, it's quite another to be swamped by it over a very short period of time, which is what's happening now in many towns and cities.

What do you propose then? You are critical of most forms of state economic intervention, what makes you think thank immigration controls will be more succesful? Would it not be more appropriate to leave it to the market to encourage migrants to go where the work is, and leave when there isn't any, rather than letting governments decide, which is likely to exacerbate the problem or cause severe side effects.

[Midas]

What do you propose then? You are critical of most forms of state economic intervention, what makes you think thank immigration controls will be more succesful? Would it not be more appropriate to leave it to the market to encourage migrants to go where the work is, and leave when there isn't any, rather than letting governments decide, which is likely to exacerbate the problem or cause severe side effects.

What I would propose is very much stricter border controls, tough immigration laws with immigrants only being allowed in on a points basis, which would include having a job which couldn't be filled within a given time by a British citizen, them and their whole family speaking English and having enough money to live on for at least two years, and not expecting any state benefits for at least that period. I'd also tighten up on the laws concerning deportation, enforcing them without any delay should any illegal immigrants be uncovered or should anyone who's not already a British citizen be found guilty of any serious crime. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I'd also very seriously look at giving cash incentives for families who wished to expatriate elsewhere.

We're a severely overcrowded country already and could do with reducing the population if anything, not continuing to increase it. With the correct education and training there are plenty of British people to fill virtually all the jobs which are likely to be created; we just don't need more and more immigrant workers.

[newspresenter]

It's not voters number 1 concern. It's your because you are a racist and it's others' because they believe the bat**** insane Daily Mail stories.

It is the No.1 concern because its on everyone's minds, even though disgusting racists like you try to prevent it be talked about.

The economy is second, the reason its not first is because the BNP have shown that this country can save EIGHTY FIVE BILLION WITHOUT CUTTING FRONT-LINE SERVICES, whereas you fascists wana waste money so can only 'save' upto £15 Billion AND cut front-line services.

[DougieG]

It is the No.1 concern because its on everyone's minds, even though disgusting racists like you try to prevent it be talked about.

I'm going to just draw everyone's attention to this quote. It's great.

The economy is second, the reason its not first is because the BNP have shown that this country can save EIGHTY FIVE BILLION WITHOUT CUTTING FRONT-LINE SERVICES, whereas you fascists wana waste money so can only 'save' upto £15 Billion AND cut front-line services.

Except they wouldn't. They'd withdraw from the EU which, long term, would be disastrous. They'd utterly fail to develop the country properly.

[Citizen Smith]

Classic BNP, turn around and accuse the person arguing against BNP racism of being a "disgusting racist", who hates white people.

[Blazzin]

Like those little thugs wandering the streets of pretty much any town and city you mean, the product of broken homes and uncaring families disenfranchised by the rapidly encroaching breakdown of social order over the last decade or so......

MELODRAMA ALERT: You know people were saying much the same thing as this in the 19th century yet strangely enough we are still here!

[newspresenter]

Except they wouldn't. They'd withdraw from the EU which, long term, would be disastrous. They'd utterly fail to develop the country properly.

Simply having an EU membership card costs us billions, and you don't believe the British could spend that money better. We coped ok before the EU.
Withdrawing from the EU will give the British people more power, not surprising, you'd prefer the opposite. You'd think left wing racists would wana see 2 BNP MEP's lose their job without another election.

[pauli007001]

It's not voters number 1 concern. It's your because you are a racist and it's others' because they believe the bat**** insane Daily Mail stories.

I agree, My Number 1 concern is how best to spoil my next ballot paper, I might write my own name at the bottom of the form ans X the box next to it, I guess that should work well enough!!!!!

[DC]

While I think Griffin fell to pieces in that interview, the BNP is addressing a major concern for the British people, I wouldn't say number one, as that would be the economy, but I think perhaps top 5. The concept of letting large amounts of poor people; black, white or otherwise, into a country like Britain where the major economic foundations are in sectors where higher education is required, if frankly absurd and asking for trouble.

[Neo2012]

While I think Griffin fell to pieces in that interview, the BNP is addressing a major concern for the British people, I wouldn't say number one, as that would be the economy, but I think perhaps top 5. The concept of letting large amounts of poor people; black, white or otherwise, into a country like Britain where the major economic foundations are in sectors where higher education is required, if frankly absurd and asking for trouble.

Clearly the results show, whilst immigration may concern the daily mail etc, the people are not stupid enough to allow fascists office without opposition.