The Reform Party

[Robert]

I'm currently creating a new political party in the UK with the above title. We've made a lot of progress since I joined the group. We now have close to 1300 members on facebook, a logo, a Party Constitution, a website (Wix.com the reform party campaigning for more democracy more discussion and more innovation), and we'll soon have elected Party Officials (anyone can vote; if you're interested find out more on the website).

Now of course creating a new party that actually goes anywhere is not difficult in an FPTP electoral system, or even with AV if that passes next year. But the party is in dicussions with other small groups wanting to see a more democratic, reformist, progressive, transparent and honest party. So hopefully we may grow to be a substantial force in British politics.

But what do you think? Having looked at our website do you like what we stand for? Do you think we stand a chance of going anywhere? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Robert Battison

[crazylilting]

To me it seems a make it up as you go attitude that will gain members in the short run but will end up creating a lot of disappointments when you can't adopt the ideas of all your members. Yes people should be involved in the development of any political party but there is to much diversity within the country to unite it under the umbrella of one political party. Who would we be aligning ourselves with? Who will be taking the seats in parliament? How much experience do they have with carrying out the plans set out? What would be the impact of those ideas?

It is true we all want change, but there is a price to pay for that change and we will see the price and endure the consequences of that change as we are seeing now.

I think you need far more then you have now to be taken seriously. There needs to be more information on the organizers of this party instead of rolling an empty wagon down the hill and asking people to blindly jump aboard.

[Midas]

I'm currently creating a new political party in the UK with the above title. We've made a lot of progress since I joined the group. We now have close to 1300 members on facebook, a logo, a Party Constitution, a website (Wix.com the reform party campaigning for more democracy more discussion and more innovation), and we'll soon have elected Party Officials (anyone can vote; if you're interested find out more on the website).

Now of course creating a new party that actually goes anywhere is not difficult in an FPTP electoral system, or even with AV if that passes next year. But the party is in dicussions with other small groups wanting to see a more democratic, reformist, progressive, transparent and honest party. So hopefully we may grow to be a substantial force in British politics.

But what do you think? Having looked at our website do you like what we stand for? Do you think we stand a chance of going anywhere? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Robert Battison

Sorry if this sounds negative, but given that there are some 400 political parties already registered in the UK, I have to question what the point of starting yet another clone to many of those already in existence is. 1,300 members on a Facebook page isn't the same as as having 1,300 real paid-up members, and since you ask, yes, I have looked at your web site and to be honest found it rather poor, and no, I don't think you'll be going anywhere. On the other hand, top marks for at least trying to do something, and I hope that some of these 'other small groups' you're contacting can be persuaded to join forces to both achieve a genuine membership base with decent funding and enough people with contacts in the political and media worlds to actually do something.

[Robert]

Thanks for your quick replies! I find it quite promising that you're both eager to look into new things such as this, even if you are both skeptical about what results can be achieved.

There's no doubt about it; what the Reform Party is doing is an experiment. However I would encourage you to join the facebook group and listen to what we're doing. There is, as you point out, little policy content about us as of yet, beyond the Party Constitution and things like that. However this is not to say that members don't have a clear idea of what they want to see. In fact I've drawn up a 30 page manifesto already.

Why haven't we adopted this manifesto yet? Because we're far more democratic than the main parties. Hence we discuss and vote on every manifesto policy. If you really want to find out what we're going to be doing I suggest you come along to out first (online) party talks on Saturday (more information can be found on our facebook page
at 'events' The Reform Party | Facebook)

Can one party embrace the whole of the UK? One party democracies are not democracies by Western standards. We're a Centre-left, Liberal and Social Democratic group. I suggest you read the preamble of our Party Constitution.

As for the 400 parties I'm afraid that number is not true. Not all the parties on the electoral register are still in existence. In fact most of them are not, and I should know believe me. The simple fact is that there are only a handful of parties with realistic (i.e. their policies have been looked at by anyone with half an education) policies. And none of these parties offers a real, progressive vision.

Did you know that the number of homeless people (including those in temporary and terribly unsuitable accomodation) numbers 400,000 and growing? When's the last time you heard a mainstream party talking about ending homelessness? And don't think it doesn't affect you either. You sound like you're both Middle Class. Did you know that in England alone over 100,000 (mostly Middle Class) under 16 year olds run away from home every year, but that only 12% of public authorities have the provision to help them? What about the Chagos Islanders? 2000 British citizens in the Indian Ocean saw their homes destroyed, their livestock slaughtered, and their homeland taken away from them between 1967 and 1971. We have the power to let them resettle in the Chagos Islands, but throughout Labour's 13 years (and of course there's still been no change in the first hundred days with the coalition) their attempts have been repeatedly denied. What about the big issues of today? We have an aging population, yet when was the last time you heard of a politician talking about substantial pensions reform? We're promised a "New Politics" yet where's the evidence? As you can see it's fairly easy to go on and on.

Now it's not all bad of course, but there is need for a fresh perspective. And whether or not we can go anywhere, surely you agree it's best to try?

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I'm currently creating a new political party in the UK with the above title. We've made a lot of progress since I joined the group. We now have close to 1300 members on facebook, a logo, a Party Constitution, a website (Wix.com the reform party campaigning for more democracy more discussion and more innovation), and we'll soon have elected Party Officials (anyone can vote; if you're interested find out more on the website).
Now of course creating a new party that actually goes anywhere is not difficult in an FPTP electoral system, or even with AV if that passes next year. But the party is in dicussions with other small groups wanting to see a more democratic, reformist, progressive, transparent and honest party. So hopefully we may grow to be a substantial force in British politics.

But what do you think? Having looked at our website do you like what we stand for? Do you think we stand a chance of going anywhere? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Robert Battison

Hi,

in todays brave new world I regret to tell you that shortly your web site will be banned to make way for XXXXXXXXXXXXX

You seem not to have paid much attention to all this CLICK HERE

You seem to overlook how our Government DOES function and pay overly much attention to the theory of how you wished it functioned.

Is your Party registered? If not look at the stunt UKIP pulled on Ganley by registering his Party name and trying to sell it to him for thousands! John at El.Com. will be very helpfull and they are available at 09:00hrs. GET THERE FIRST.

If we can help and you share the one single ethos, see our site. Maybe even join our very nascent forum.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

Hi,

in todays brave new world I regret to tell you that shortly your web site will be banned to make way for XXXXXXXXXXXXX

You seem not to have paid much attention to all this CLICK HERE

You seem to overlook how our Government DOES function and pay overly much attention to the theory of how you wished it functioned.

Is your Party registered? If not look at the stunt UKIP pulled on Ganley by registering his Party name and trying to sell it to him for thousands! John at El.Com. will be very helpfull and they are available at 09:00hrs. GET THERE FIRST.

If we can help and you share the one single ethos, see our site. Maybe even join our very nascent forum.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Hi Greg.

I'm not quite sure what to make of your message, but thanks for the interest all the same. The Reform Party's website (www.thereformparty.tk) will not be banned, and I'm not sure why you suggest it could be.

I know a great deal about the EU, having studied International Politics for my undergraduate degree, and leaving it would not benefit anyone. Here's why:

The UK receives the following benefits from the EU:

Economic:
. 3 million jobs rely on membership.
. A majority of our trade is with the EU and irrelative of whether you can argue the impact of withdrawal will not be that big, trade relations are very likely to suffer.
. An important reason why the UK is attractive to investors is that we belong to the Single Market (the world's largest free trade area).
. Again because of the Single Market consumers have a much wider choice than they previously did, greater protection, and lower prices too.
. Withdrawal from the EU is likely to followed by 'irrational speculation' by investors who think that membership is beneficial.
. We have access to new markets in East Europe that are likely to grow in the near future.
. We are entitled to, and have received, regional funding.
. We gain from 'pooled sovereignty' in being able to shape economic decisions taken elsewhere in the EU. To take one example Sarkozy was forced to pursue less protectionist policies than he had wanted because of membership.


International Affairs:
. Day by day the UK is becoming a lesser power relative to the Newly Industrialised Countries. Yet together with the EU we can act with more power than even the US on some matters! This can clearly be seen with Chinese relations to the EU. Where the EU is prepared to act together the world listens.

Security:
. EU cooperation is essential to tackle international crime loops such as the group of Paedophiles broken up last year and referred to by Nick Clegg in one of the Prime Minister's debates.
. No British soldiers can be sent anywhere without British permission. Yet the genocides of the 1990s in the Balkans were a shameful realisation of how we were acting together too little. As part of the EU we now have defence agreements to ensure rapid actions if ever such events take place again.
. The EU is strongly committed to tackling environmental issues that cross borders. And thanks to EU membership our beaches, rivers and drinking water are cleaner.

Peace and Co-operation:
. The EU evolved out of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) set up after WW2. That body aimed to prevent another war, and today the EU still works towards that goal in fostering ever improving relations. Withdrawing will reverse that process.

The single strongest reason for membership of the EU is that with or without us it is a power. If we are at the heart of it then we can shape it.

However the single greatest aspect of the Reform Party in my opinion is that what I have to say as the newly elected Party Leader does not dictate policy as it does with the mainstream groups. We discuss and debate all policy proposals, before letting Party Members vote on those proposals deemed to be consistent with our values and adopted policies.

As you can see democracy is at the heart of what we do, and therefore despite my pro EU membership bias the Reform Party might be prepared to advance a referendum on withdrawal from the EU.

As for whether we're registered, we're just about to become so. We've been joined recently by two Parliamentary Candidates from the 2010 GE, one from the Lib Dems and the other from a small party, who has agreed for us to take his registration with the Electoral Commission.

Rob

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi Greg.

I'm not quite sure what to make of your message, but thanks for the interest all the same. The Reform Party's website (www.thereformparty.tk) will not be banned, and I'm not sure why you suggest it could be.

I know a great deal about the EU, having studied International Politics for my undergraduate degree, and leaving it would not benefit anyone. Here's why:

The UK receives the following benefits from the EU:

Economic:
. 3 million jobs rely on membership.
. A majority of our trade is with the EU and irrelative of whether you can argue the impact of withdrawal will not be that big, trade relations are very likely to suffer.
. An important reason why the UK is attractive to investors is that we belong to the Single Market (the world's largest free trade area).
. Again because of the Single Market consumers have a much wider choice than they previously did, greater protection, and lower prices too.
. Withdrawal from the EU is likely to followed by 'irrational speculation' by investors who think that membership is beneficial.
. We have access to new markets in East Europe that are likely to grow in the near future.
. We are entitled to, and have received, regional funding.
. We gain from 'pooled sovereignty' in being able to shape economic decisions taken elsewhere in the EU. To take one example Sarkozy was forced to pursue less protectionist policies than he had wanted because of membership.


International Affairs:
. Day by day the UK is becoming a lesser power relative to the Newly Industrialised Countries. Yet together with the EU we can act with more power than even the US on some matters! This can clearly be seen with Chinese relations to the EU. Where the EU is prepared to act together the world listens.

Security:
. EU cooperation is essential to tackle international crime loops such as the group of Paedophiles broken up last year and referred to by Nick Clegg in one of the Prime Minister's debates.
. No British soldiers can be sent anywhere without British permission. Yet the genocides of the 1990s in the Balkans were a shameful realisation of how we were acting together too little. As part of the EU we now have defence agreements to ensure rapid actions if ever such events take place again.
. The EU is strongly committed to tackling environmental issues that cross borders. And thanks to EU membership our beaches, rivers and drinking water are cleaner.

Peace and Co-operation:
. The EU evolved out of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) set up after WW2. That body aimed to prevent another war, and today the EU still works towards that goal in fostering ever improving relations. Withdrawing will reverse that process.

The single strongest reason for membership of the EU is that with or without us it is a power. If we are at the heart of it then we can shape it.

However the single greatest aspect of the Reform Party in my opinion is that what I have to say as the newly elected Party Leader does not dictate policy as it does with the mainstream groups. We discuss and debate all policy proposals, before letting Party Members vote on those proposals deemed to be consistent with our values and adopted policies.

As you can see democracy is at the heart of what we do, and therefore despite my pro EU membership bias the Reform Party might be prepared to advance a referendum on withdrawal from the EU.

As for whether we're registered, we're just about to become so. We've been joined recently by two Parliamentary Candidates from the 2010 GE, one from the Lib Dems and the other from a small party, who has agreed for us to take his registration with the Electoral Commission.

Rob

Hi,

how sweet!

Do you believe everything in advertising leaflets too!!

I really can't take your propaganda hand out seriously as it is so obviously just childish propaganda.

It would be funny if it were not sad that Margot Wallstrom's Propaganda Agency actually thinks there are people stupid enough to believe this crud!

Have you thought of getting a Job with the Communist Party or if that is a bit scarey you could try The Fabians or perhaps Common Purpose!

By the way there is a special section on the Forum for jokes and I'm sorry your hand out is actually funny!

Just take you very first statement 3M jobs - do you know where the figure comes from? Did you know that the Institute Director resigned and refused to work for the Labour Party again because they had so dishonestly quoted his report? Did you know he identified 3M jobs currently involved with EU trade, INCLUDING entrepot trade with the rest of the world and predicted a net sum gain in employment within 2 to 3 years of leaving the EU.

Don't get suckered with the first crud figure the Minister of propaganda pushes out you just end up looking silly.

You really can't expect to be taken seriously outside of red brick student politics with this standard of stupidity.

Hook, Line AND Stinker!!

Is the EU paying salaries for your pretend party for propaganda?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Streetwalker]

Agree with GLW (that could be a first).
Any party, new or otherwise needs a foundation of beliefs and some idea of where its going. Yours Robert has niether. Nearly every point you raise regarding the EU is wrong.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Agree with GLW (that could be a first).
Any party, new or otherwise needs a foundation of beliefs and some idea of where its going. Yours Robert has niether. Nearly every point you raise regarding the EU is wrong.

Hi,

unfortunately our taxes, via a series of utterly corrupt Monnet Scholarships are being used to teach kids this cr@p in Universities and then pretend it is a Degree level course before giving them idiotic subsidised jobs in the utterly corrupt EU or the treacherous QUANGOcracy of our own kleptocratic Government.

Is it any wonder contempt for the red brick unis. is so common and employers in the real world don't want graduates from these superannuated polytechs with their non qualifications!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

I can sympathize with your sceptism about the 3m jobs claim. The actual number is of course hard to pin down, because there are always a number of reasons any company invests in the UK. However I do think that if we left the EU the number of jobs lost would number in its millions. This is because of the role of market perceptions and expectations, and how they create a chain effect that I believe would start a recession. When some companies leave others fear the worst and start to leave themselves. Companies that stay start to fear a huge recession and they cut back on spending, just as sellers in the EU look for other markets. Basically, it's hard to prove, but I do believe leaving the EU would create a recession.

However, my views on this aren't what matters for the party as a whole decides how favourable or skeptical we are towards the EU. Join the policy discussions if you like in the next couple of months (email me at robert@thebigqs.co.uk for more info). If you're prepared to be constructive, and offer valid reasons why we should be Euro-skeptical rather than pro-EU then we'd be happy to hear from you. Streetwalker, I haven't heard you ask about our "foundation of beliefs and some idea of where it's going". However I'd be glad to discuss it more with you. Essentially, I can do little better than quoting the preamble to our Party Constitution (below). I know there's a lot more questions to ask but I'll let you read this and then ask any other specifics you want to know about thereafter.

"The Reform Party is a liberal and social democratic party, which exists to improve the lives of all UK citizens, and also make the world a better place to live in. We recognize that all party aims are media through which to increase the happiness of each and every person.

We believe that the best way of achieving the above is to promote the Reform Party’s aims and values through contesting elections at every level within the United Kingdom, and also the EU.

We believe in individual liberty, equality and social justice and, while recognizing an inherent tension between these ideas we believe that they must all form part of a wider programme of government. We believe that these ideas have been eroded in recent years and therefore stand for the reinstatement of civil liberties, freedoms and the rule of law, as the fundamental right of every UK citizen,

We believe in the inalienable rights of all people as set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European Convention of Human Rights. As such we seek to further the rights and freedoms of all individuals.

We believe in individual responsibility, but also in the responsibility of society to protect and serve individuals. We recognise the role government can play in achieving positive and progressive outcomes, but seek to re-balance the equation between leadership and democracy. We believe that it is a leader’s duty to guide and exercise vision. Yet we see those who hold offices of power or authority within the party and the state as servants and representatives, not masters. We believe both the party and the state exist to serve the people, and have a responsibility to answer to the people. In this capacity we believe in the need for greater representation of the individual and the group.

We believe there exists within society a continuing process of mutual cooperation and compromise, exercised through personal freedom, which is based on recognition of the inherent equality of all people. As such we believe the state must be based on the principles of secular democracy and popular sovereignty, where all institutions of government are democratic, accountable and transparent, and all representatives are honest. In addition, we seek to increase equality of opportunity at all times, so that no one person is left without prospects for improvement in such areas as career or housing.

We also assert the interdependence and rights of all life-forms, and value the welfare of animals as well as humans. As such we seek to promote environmental values, and act in ways that will prevent, and even reverse environmental damage.

We believe that economic development must be environmentally sustainable, and in the interests of all the people, so that happiness is pursued above economic productivity. However we believe that economic growth is a key factor in improving happiness, and so should be sought on these grounds.

We seek to reform the UK so that it is governed in a manner in keeping with our core values."

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I can sympathize with your sceptism about the 3m jobs claim. The actual number is of course hard to pin down, because there are always a number of reasons any company invests in the UK. However I do think that if we left the EU the number of jobs lost would number in its millions. This is because of the role of market perceptions and expectations, and how they create a chain effect that I believe would start a recession. When some companies leave others fear the worst and start to leave themselves. Companies that stay start to fear a huge recession and they cut back on spending, just as sellers in the EU look for other markets. Basically, it's hard to prove, but I do believe leaving the EU would create a recession.

However, my views on this aren't what matters for the party as a whole decides how favourable or skeptical we are towards the EU. Join the policy discussions if you like in the next couple of months (email me at robert@thebigqs.co.uk for more info). If you're prepared to be constructive, and offer valid reasons why we should be Euro-skeptical rather than pro-EU then we'd be happy to hear from you. Streetwalker, I haven't heard you ask about our "foundation of beliefs and some idea of where it's going". However I'd be glad to discuss it more with you. Essentially, I can do little better than quoting the preamble to our Party Constitution (below). I know there's a lot more questions to ask but I'll let you read this and then ask any other specifics you want to know about thereafter.

"The Reform Party is a liberal and social democratic party, which exists to improve the lives of all UK citizens, and also make the world a better place to live in. We recognize that all party aims are media through which to increase the happiness of each and every person.

We believe that the best way of achieving the above is to promote the Reform Party’s aims and values through contesting elections at every level within the United Kingdom, and also the EU.

We believe in individual liberty, equality and social justice and, while recognizing an inherent tension between these ideas we believe that they must all form part of a wider programme of government. We believe that these ideas have been eroded in recent years and therefore stand for the reinstatement of civil liberties, freedoms and the rule of law, as the fundamental right of every UK citizen,

We believe in the inalienable rights of all people as set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European Convention of Human Rights. As such we seek to further the rights and freedoms of all individuals.

We believe in individual responsibility, but also in the responsibility of society to protect and serve individuals. We recognise the role government can play in achieving positive and progressive outcomes, but seek to re-balance the equation between leadership and democracy. We believe that it is a leader’s duty to guide and exercise vision. Yet we see those who hold offices of power or authority within the party and the state as servants and representatives, not masters. We believe both the party and the state exist to serve the people, and have a responsibility to answer to the people. In this capacity we believe in the need for greater representation of the individual and the group.

We believe there exists within society a continuing process of mutual cooperation and compromise, exercised through personal freedom, which is based on recognition of the inherent equality of all people. As such we believe the state must be based on the principles of secular democracy and popular sovereignty, where all institutions of government are democratic, accountable and transparent, and all representatives are honest. In addition, we seek to increase equality of opportunity at all times, so that no one person is left without prospects for improvement in such areas as career or housing.

We also assert the interdependence and rights of all life-forms, and value the welfare of animals as well as humans. As such we seek to promote environmental values, and act in ways that will prevent, and even reverse environmental damage.

We believe that economic development must be environmentally sustainable, and in the interests of all the people, so that happiness is pursued above economic productivity. However we believe that economic growth is a key factor in improving happiness, and so should be sought on these grounds.

We seek to reform the UK so that it is governed in a manner in keeping with our core values."

Hi,

sorry you've done it again.

How quaint - A Professional political Prostitute!

' I will lead this part which has no values, no principles and no vision where ever it feels like going - I have no experience and no idea or competence in leadership and as we are currently, as I described previously we are owned by an alien power, we happily peddle their propaganda bogus as it is'.

It was you who mailed out your master's statement:

An important reason why the UK is attractive to investors is that we belong to the Single Market (the world's largest free trade area).

Which of course is utter bunkum!

The EU has a population of around 350>400,000,000
India has more than twice that at a tad over 1,000,000,000
China has over 1,600,000,000 and enough immediate uncommitted cash to just about buy EVERY EU project it does not already own.

The EU is a commercial disaster zone.

May I point out the giveaway of your source of propaganda:
>we belong to the Single Market <

It would seem they didn't even teach you adequately to proof read their junk!

WE DO NOT BELONG TO anyone or anything we are and will increasingly and more aggresively strive to retain our Sovereign status - WE belong to no one - You may but don't use WE.

That our Country may currently have the grave misfortune of being A MEMBER of a centralised, corrupt, undemocratic, bureacratic time bomb with an exponential incompetence and cost and an infinite propensity for damaging malevollence is one thing but BELONG we do not!


May I suggest you read The Treaty of Elysee
then Read the New EU Constitution it is a Constitution for a Police State - without democratic input or meaning unsupported by the bulk of its people and heading via low grade obduracy through terrorism to full blown wars of disassociation as it collapses into the foetid morass of distrust and hatred it has created.

Already it does not tax it merely steals from its vassal states which can not even account to their serfs.

Wake Up you have been in a coma - AND YOU WANT TO LEAD please nothing bigger than a rubber duck in a bath until you have something to offer and some experience.

Learn how to follow and command respect and if you manage that you may one day be blessed with the privilege of leadership.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[crazylilting]

That's exactly what the Reform Party is talking about! I'd really appreciate it if you (and indeed anyone else on this forum) could voice your thoughts in the upcoming policy discussions. We decide policy by having discussions facilitated by specialists in the field e.g. teachers to facilitate discussions about educational reform etc. Everyone puts forth and discusses their ideas, and the Subject Specialist then selects those ideas that are in keeping with the party's values (Liberal, Social Democratic, Progressive, Reformist) and puts them up for a vote, that all party members can have a voice on. At present (we won't have registered with the electoral commission for a few weeks yet) we're not asking for membership fees for people to join in, so if you want to see what we're like you should email me (robert@thebigqs.co.uk) and ask me to put you on the email updates list.

With all due respect Robert, You took my quote out of context. The coalition also stands for more transparency and public input, so the quote without the qualifying means for that input is a bit of an insult to my intelligence. Without a real mechanism for real input into decision making it is just words that politicians use to get into power. One of the problems with referendums is that the public would have to know many of the things our governments keep from us that drives their decision making. Some of those decisions made are for personal gain, while others are made because of public interest, but we are treated like children and told what is good for us without actually knowing the real consequences of those choices.

I think a great many people wouldn't want to know just how delicate our situation really is, but then that is why we have so much resistance to cuts in spending and increasing in taxes. There is no real transparency as such as it stands. I cannot go online and look at UK incorporated books, and see just what is being spent and by who, we cannot follow the money as it were, and that is government, the flow of money. We are in the dark and only told what government wants us to know about spending for their own purposes.

Why shouldn't we be privy to know exactly where our money is being spent? I would think that if the books were opened it would be quite apparent what stays and what must be cut.

[Streetwalker]

I can sympathize with your sceptism about the 3m jobs claim. The actual number is of course hard to pin down, because there are always a number of reasons any company invests in the UK. However I do think that if we left the EU the number of jobs lost would number in its millions. This is because of the role of market perceptions and expectations, and how they create a chain effect that I believe would start a recession. When some companies leave others fear the worst and start to leave themselves. Companies that stay start to fear a huge recession and they cut back on spending, just as sellers in the EU look for other markets. Basically, it's hard to prove, but I do believe leaving the EU would create a recession.

However, my views on this aren't what matters for the party as a whole decides how favourable or skeptical we are towards the EU. Join the policy discussions if you like in the next couple of months (email me at robert@thebigqs.co.uk for more info). If you're prepared to be constructive, and offer valid reasons why we should be Euro-skeptical rather than pro-EU then we'd be happy to hear from you. Streetwalker, I haven't heard you ask about our "foundation of beliefs and some idea of where it's going". However I'd be glad to discuss it more with you. Essentially, I can do little better than quoting the preamble to our Party Constitution (below). I know there's a lot more questions to ask but I'll let you read this and then ask any other specifics you want to know about thereafter.

"The Reform Party is a liberal and social democratic party, which exists to improve the lives of all UK citizens, and also make the world a better place to live in. We recognize that all party aims are media through which to increase the happiness of each and every person.

We believe that the best way of achieving the above is to promote the Reform Party’s aims and values through contesting elections at every level within the United Kingdom, and also the EU.

We believe in individual liberty, equality and social justice and, while recognizing an inherent tension between these ideas we believe that they must all form part of a wider programme of government. We believe that these ideas have been eroded in recent years and therefore stand for the reinstatement of civil liberties, freedoms and the rule of law, as the fundamental right of every UK citizen,

We believe in the inalienable rights of all people as set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European Convention of Human Rights. As such we seek to further the rights and freedoms of all individuals.

We believe in individual responsibility, but also in the responsibility of society to protect and serve individuals. We recognise the role government can play in achieving positive and progressive outcomes, but seek to re-balance the equation between leadership and democracy. We believe that it is a leader’s duty to guide and exercise vision. Yet we see those who hold offices of power or authority within the party and the state as servants and representatives, not masters. We believe both the party and the state exist to serve the people, and have a responsibility to answer to the people. In this capacity we believe in the need for greater representation of the individual and the group.

We believe there exists within society a continuing process of mutual cooperation and compromise, exercised through personal freedom, which is based on recognition of the inherent equality of all people. As such we believe the state must be based on the principles of secular democracy and popular sovereignty, where all institutions of government are democratic, accountable and transparent, and all representatives are honest. In addition, we seek to increase equality of opportunity at all times, so that no one person is left without prospects for improvement in such areas as career or housing.

We also assert the interdependence and rights of all life-forms, and value the welfare of animals as well as humans. As such we seek to promote environmental values, and act in ways that will prevent, and even reverse environmental damage.

We believe that economic development must be environmentally sustainable, and in the interests of all the people, so that happiness is pursued above economic productivity. However we believe that economic growth is a key factor in improving happiness, and so should be sought on these grounds.

We seek to reform the UK so that it is governed in a manner in keeping with our core values."

Your a cross between the Lib Dims and the Cherie Blair appreciation society then . No thanks Id rather stab myself with a spoon

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Your a cross between the Lib Dims and the Cherie Blair appreciation society then . No thanks Id rather stab myself with a spoon

Hi,

Is that a Spoonerism?

[Robert]

Hi,

sorry you've done it again.

How quaint - A Professional political Prostitute!

' I will lead this part which has no values, no principles and no vision where ever it feels like going - I have no experience and no idea or competence in leadership and as we are currently, as I described previously we are owned by an alien power, we happily peddle their propaganda bogus as it is'.

It was you who mailed out your master's statement:


Which of course is utter bunkum!

The EU has a population of around 350>400,000,000
India has more than twice that at a tad over 1,000,000,000
China has over 1,600,000,000 and enough immediate uncommitted cash to just about buy EVERY EU project it does not already own.

The EU is a commercial disaster zone.

May I point out the giveaway of your source of propaganda:
>we belong to the Single Market <

It would seem they didn't even teach you adequately to proof read their junk!

WE DO NOT BELONG TO anyone or anything we are and will increasingly and more aggresively strive to retain our Sovereign status - WE belong to no one - You may but don't use WE.

That our Country may currently have the grave misfortune of being A MEMBER of a centralised, corrupt, undemocratic, bureacratic time bomb with an exponential incompetence and cost and an infinite propensity for damaging malevollence is one thing but BELONG we do not!


May I suggest you read The Treaty of Elysee
then Read the New EU Constitution it is a Constitution for a Police State - without democratic input or meaning unsupported by the bulk of its people and heading via low grade obduracy through terrorism to full blown wars of disassociation as it collapses into the foetid morass of distrust and hatred it has created.

Already it does not tax it merely steals from its vassal states which can not even account to their serfs.

Wake Up you have been in a coma - AND YOU WANT TO LEAD please nothing bigger than a rubber duck in a bath until you have something to offer and some experience.

Learn how to follow and command respect and if you manage that you may one day be blessed with the privilege of leadership.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Lol, ok first of all the EU is the largest single market in economic terms, not in terms of population. Secondly, I'm afraid we are a member of the EU. Nervermind, I've guessed by now that you're not very keen on the idea of contributing to any new group aiming to make a difference. If anyone else wishes to ask me a question or receive the fortnightly updates and podcasts just fill in the contact form on our party website (www.thereformparty.tk).

P.S. I don't quite know how to say this Greg but you're displaying some worrying psychological traits and, I really don't want to sound patronising but are you seeing a Psychologist? People often refuse to go because they think it's a sign that they're crazy but psychologists help a lot of people, through both small and big problems.

[Midas]

P.S. I don't quite know how to say this Greg but you're displaying some worrying psychological traits and, I really don't want to sound patronising but are you seeing a Psychologist? People often refuse to go because they think it's a sign that they're crazy but psychologists help a lot of people, through both small and big problems.

Can we please keep any discussions of personalities etc., out of all posts, otherwise the Moderators will need to step in. Attack the beliefs and views if you like, preferably with substantiation, but not the people posting.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

(www.thereformparty.tk).

P.S. I don't quite know how to say this Greg but you're displaying some worrying psychological traits and, I really don't want to sound patronising but are you seeing a Psychologist? People often refuse to go because they think it's a sign that they're crazy but psychologists help a lot of people, through both small and big problems.

Hi,

is that not well recognised as the defence of the scoundrel when they have run out of facts and are bereft of argument based upon logic?

Are you sure that with so little experience and so little ability you are serving anyone by posing to LEAD a political movement. Had you thought of getting a job and some experience.

You would not then need to resort to such childish tactics as to presume an ability to disgnose strangers on the internet - it does make your party look spectacularly inept and irresponsible.

Good luck with the job hunt - it can't be easy with a non qualification.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Streetwalker]

Come on guys,give the lad a break, at least he is showing some interest unlike most of the population. He has rumbled Grieg as a headcase so he cant be all bad.(sorry grieg, just as we were getting on as well )

When you renounce the devil (EU) Robert I may show an interest in your party ,for me that is the enterance fee to my attention

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

One might hope they are having a rethink and are trying to find someone with some of the abilities and knowledge required to lead, manage and promote ayet another political party, for without it they will surely wither full marks for enthusiasm and their EU propaganda is at least naiivly transparent but there are over 400 Political Parties - which is why I as a long term supporter of UKIP who is disgusted at the venality, self serving and self enriching leadership team and its associates (EFD) and parasites (NEC + parasites) am involved in
The Independent Leave-the-EU Alliance

Anyway - here is The Reform News Letter:

Dear all,

Recent events have meant that there is simply too much to update you on to leave the update until next weekend as I said I would do. As you will hear on the attached podcast, our facebook group has been closed down, but we have a new page at: The Reform Party Fotos | Facebook

I would like to ask that you please listen to the attached podcast, and also join that facebook page if you've not done so already.

The last election has been temporarily put on hold for a few days, while a member decides if they're able to put forward their name to stand as our Treasurer. I will keep you updated as normal, and give you a more complete update next weekend. But until then feel free to send me a message if you want to ask me any questions.

Thanks for your time,

Kind Regards,

Robert Battison,
Party Leader,
The Reform Party
The Reform Party UK

It would seem they still haven't registered and still are of no fixed abode!

If they haven't registered soon and show ANY signs of Reform to having principles, values, aims and leadership there is always the probability UKIP will spike their guns as they did with Declan Ganley's half baked Libertas concept - it does seem as if that is the primary task of Bridget Rowe (as reveilled in Fleet Street!) who has now teamed up with the hapless and hopeless James Pryor and we expect Malcolm Pearson to arrive and front them soon - seemingly with the childish aim of aiding The EU by trying to spike Nikki Sinclaire's cross party petition for a referendum details of which can be found if you CLICK HERE
If you just wish to sign the petition CLICK HERE
or if you want a general look at the petition and how you can help CLICK HERE

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

Yes you're right that we haven't registered as a party yet Greg. We just started to organise a group a few months ago, and just received the registration papers a day or two ago.

As I mentioned earlier all policies are discussed and then decided democratically. So I'd encourage all of you to join in when we discuss our stance with regards to the EU. I'm glad to see Greg's already on the emailing list. I've only just started to send them out so if anyone else sends me their email address at robert@thebigqs.co.uk then I'll be glad to add you, and let you know a bit more about what we're doing.

If, as you say, you know more about the EU than I do, then your voice will carry in the discussions we have.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Yes you're right that we haven't registered as a party yet Greg. We just started to organise a group a few months ago, and just received the registration papers a day or two ago.

As I mentioned earlier all policies are discussed and then decided democratically. So I'd encourage all of you to join in when we discuss our stance with regards to the EU. I'm glad to see Greg's already on the emailing list. I've only just started to send them out so if anyone else sends me their email address at robert@thebigqs.co.uk then I'll be glad to add you, and let you know a bit more about what we're doing.

If, as you say, you know more about the EU than I do, then your voice will carry in the discussions we have.

Hi,

so you aren't the leader - you have no values they are up to the members!

Isn't that a political prostitute?

I do think you would be a lot better off if you got a job and some experience of life.

I am convinced our Country would be!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

Greg ... I'm not sure quite how to reply to that. If you would like to find out about either my job, who is Party Leader, or the policy formulation process then I suggest you ask nicely. If you don't believe we can go anywhere then would you like to be taken off the email updates list?

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Greg ... I'm not sure quite how to reply to that. If you would like to find out about either my job, who is Party Leader, or the policy formulation process then I suggest you ask nicely. If you don't believe we can go anywhere then would you like to be taken off the email updates list?

Hi,

as the extreme democrat you claim to be having no values save those of those you lead!!! Do you have a problem with my democratic opinion that leadership willing to lead in any direction is not leadership remotely I believe it is little more than political prostitution - a service provided for money or gain without principle or direction.

No do leave me on the mailing list and if you insist on not going and getting a job or unable to find them and refuse to gain experience to those you lead from behind I will be intrigued by your mailings and presumably will enjoy free speech since there is no visible leadership or principles and they can all be changed by the members!

Do I wish to join the party? most emphatically not as even its leader hasn't a clue where he is going and offers no experience as guidance.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

Hi,

as the extreme democrat you claim to be having no values save those of those you lead!!! Do you have a problem with my democratic opinion that leadership willing to lead in any direction is not leadership remotely I believe it is little more than political prostitution - a service provided for money or gain without principle or direction.

No do leave me on the mailing list and if you insist on not going and getting a job or unable to find them and refuse to gain experience to those you lead from behind I will be intrigued by your mailings and presumably will enjoy free speech since there is no visible leadership or principles and they can all be changed by the members!

Do I wish to join the party? most emphatically not as even its leader hasn't a clue where he is going and offers no experience as guidance.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

As someone who receives our email updates I'm a little worried that you don't understand what it is we stand for. Do you think I need to make things clearer?

As I have said in emails, in this discussion, and in podcasts, we have a set of values as set out in the Party Constitution. All representatives of the Reform Party put people before the party. So Councillors can act how they see fit unless it goes against either the Party Constitution and/or our Manifesto. As for the Policy Formulation process each policy discussion is facilitated/chaired by an Executive Committee Member. His/her role is to facilitate the discussions, and weed out those proposals that are not in accord with our values, or are unfeasible or contradictory with our other policies. The remaining proposals will be those that are in accord with our values, and they will be put to the Party Members to vote upon. I'm guessing it was the last part that confused you, but don't worry, we're in favour of Representative Democracy, not Direct.

I take the latter points as a request to know my experience and career. To summarize, I have worked in pensions, sales and teaching in the past, but am now focusing full time on 3 things: my Masters in Finance and Economic Policy; my book, which I'm half way through writing; and also the party. I've been active in local politics as a Youth Officer and European Campaigns Officer, and I've also worked with MPs in Parliament.

I will of course take you off of our emailing list. Thanks for your time.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

As someone who receives our email updates I'm a little worried that you don't understand what it is we stand for. Do you think I need to make things clearer?

As I have said in emails, in this discussion, and in podcasts, we have a set of values as set out in the Party Constitution. All representatives of the Reform Party put people before the party. So Councillors can act how they see fit unless it goes against either the Party Constitution and/or our Manifesto. As for the Policy Formulation process each policy discussion is facilitated/chaired by an Executive Committee Member. His/her role is to facilitate the discussions, and weed out those proposals that are not in accord with our values, or are unfeasible or contradictory with our other policies. The remaining proposals will be those that are in accord with our values, and they will be put to the Party Members to vote upon. I'm guessing it was the last part that confused you, but don't worry, we're in favour of Representative Democracy, not Direct.

I take the latter points as a request to know my experience and career. To summarize, I have worked in pensions, sales and teaching in the past, but am now focusing full time on 3 things: my Masters in Finance and Economic Policy; my book, which I'm half way through writing; and also the party. I've been active in local politics as a Youth Officer and European Campaigns Officer, and I've also worked with MPs in Parliament.

I will of course take you off of our emailing list. Thanks for your time.

Hi,

firstly my posting said:

No do leave me on the mailing list

Why position yourself as leader when you have not defined where you are going?

Had you thought of having Moderators as committee heads and a Moderators' committee led either rotationally or by a senior moderator.

Thus you need not have any views you will just be a party acting politically.

I seem to recall your earlier post or web site claimed you were a graduated student of politics but made no mention of ever having a proper job, experience or CV - may I suggest all your moderators lay out their CV and basic data on the web site. At least then we would know if they were worthy of any attention.

May I suggest all your moderators have a Party signature block on forums and 'e'mails to raise your profile. Have you a registered logo? Have you registered the party yet or you WILL find that someone else pips you to the post if you show signs of traction.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

Hi,

firstly my posting said:


Why position yourself as leader when you have not defined where you are going?

Had you thought of having Moderators as committee heads and a Moderators' committee led either rotationally or by a senior moderator.

Thus you need not have any views you will just be a party acting politically.

I seem to recall your earlier post or web site claimed you were a graduated student of politics but made no mention of ever having a proper job, experience or CV - may I suggest all your moderators lay out their CV and basic data on the web site. At least then we would know if they were worthy of any attention.

May I suggest all your moderators have a Party signature block on forums and 'e'mails to raise your profile. Have you a registered logo? Have you registered the party yet or you WILL find that someone else pips you to the post if you show signs of traction.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

My apologies about the emailing updates. I must have read it too fast. I've put you back on now.

Where are we going as a party? Basically this is set out in the constitution's preamble. First of all we need to actually register ourselves, and decide a manifesto. Then our aims are fairly similar to other parties i.e. promote our policy proposals, campaign for their implementation, and get our members elected so that we can really make a difference. In my 2 year term as leader I hope to register the party officially, find one or two bases to focus on at first, build everything we need to be a succesful party e.g. website, bank account, campaign literature etc (which we've started working on already), gain around 50 to 100 paid members, and get our first Councillors.

What distinguishes us as a party? There are three things that distinguish political parties from each other: people, policies, and methods.

Having just elected our Executive Committee I can say with confidence that we have a well experienced and qualified leadership team (relative to other small parties). I take your point about not having enough information on our leadership team though do give us time. We were elected last week, and our proper website (www.thereformparty.tk is only a temporary site I designed for free while we were setting up) is not yet finished. But thanks for the advice. I'll make sure we put all that sort of information on the website. Did you listen to my last podcast, in which I introduced the Committee? That said a bit about who we are.

In terms of policies our policy discussions have just begun. Again the discussions will be easier once our new website is finished, but for now we're putting forward a few ideas at thereformparty.myfreeforum.org :: Index. I've not yet met anyone in the party without a set of ideas they would like to see implemented. In fact I've already written a 30 page manifesto. But the key idea behind the Reform Party is our method of formulating policies. That's why I haven't forced my manifesto onto the party, because I believe that it would be undemocratic to do so. And in addition I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know best on all issues.

Our methods involve researching and discussing all things, while encouraging experts in each field to join our discussions. Manifesto policy is then voted on by the members. This way we ensure that all thoughts are voiced, and all ideas are well thought out and scrutinised before putting them into our manifesto. The reason we have certain people assigned to certain fields of discussion, and don't allow rotation, is because we want to encourage specialisation. Our aim is to one day have a specialist in every field, for example we already have a teacher facilitating education discussions, but we do not have a agricultural specialist facilitating agricultural discussions. Though you are by all means welcome to raise such an idea on our website, or by email, and the committee as a whole will be able to consider and respond to you.

Good ideas on giving all of the Committee Members a party signature on forums and emails. I'll make sure we do do that. We've designed a couple of logos but are still deciding on what's going to be the final one (let me know by email if you want to have a look and voice your thoughts). It may yet be that we have to change our name to register, as the Reform Party could be deemed too similar to the Reform 2000 Party. But we'll have to see about that. I'm not worried about anyone beating us to the punch however. Firstly, more parties are ceasing to act than starting, and secondly, although the name is important for marketing what's behind it is more important.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi.

OK so progress but I am still bemused about the concept of carts before horses that you seem to be taking.

Why yet another party?

You have no defined aim seemingly, other than form a party! This makes it look like some lame brained socialist job creation scheme!

Happy to chat much of this through if you wish but eMail is sooooo slow.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Robert]

Hi.

OK so progress but I am still bemused about the concept of carts before horses that you seem to be taking.

Why yet another party?

You have no defined aim seemingly, other than form a party! This makes it look like some lame brained socialist job creation scheme!

Happy to chat much of this through if you wish but eMail is sooooo slow.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

I understand where you're coming from. Indeed I did think about starting a party the traditional way. There are three reasons why I didn't:

. Firstly, the reason I started at this time was because I found a facebook group of 1000 people saying they wanted to create a new party, and I only gradually became Party Leader, so I couldn't simply force my ideas upon everyone.
. Secondly, I'm a firm believer that democracy is the best system out there, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know better in all areas than all other people. So although I'm going to be advocating my ideas, I believe a much better set of ideas will be created if we get ideas from many different people, then discuss and debate them before voting as a group. Having spoken at length to all our active members I'm confident that we share the same values and ideas. Indeed our efforts to write the Party Constitution were collaborative, with many different people emailing me to offer little gems of wisdom. And we did manage to agree on the Constitution, which contains a lot of value statements. Indeed most members say they sympathise with the same parties too : the Greens, Labour and the Lib Dems.
. Thirdly, I hope that the main reason I left the Lib Dems and Labour party is a reason that will bring others to us: member don't get enough of a voice. By giving members a real role right from the get go, I hope that we can build a real party, rather than simply an elite, and their followers.

I'd be glad to talk to you more. If you email me your phone number, and say what times are good for you to talk, I'll give you a call.

Regards,
Robert Battison,
Party Leader

P.S. I'll get a real signature to sign off with at some point.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I'd be glad to talk to you more. If you email me your phone number, and say what times are good for you to talk, I'll give you a call.

P.S. I'll get a real signature to sign off with at some point.

Hi,

isn't my signature block:
CONTACT: My Full DETAILS
below enough clue!!!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

in view of our conversation - thought this might amuse:
My Blog: Greg L-W: #G341* - A picture of who governs Britain

A picture of who governs Britain (Douglas Carswell blog)

This great pile of papers are copies of all the new laws that Brussels has imposed on us over the past six weeks.
My friend James Clappison, the brilliant MP for Hertsmere, plonked them on my desk on his way to the European Scrutiny Committee - which can neither delay nor veto any of it.
‘On the day we launch a campaign for an "in/out" EU referendum, it is appropriate that you should be able to physically see that most of the laws and regulations that govern us are imposed by commission officials - merely rubber stamped by those we actually voted for.
UPDATE: Someone disputes my suggestion that most of our laws and regulations are now imposed by commission officials.
Having asked the UK government the question, I know that they were unable, or unwilling, to provide an answer.
However, in response to a similar question tabled by a German law maker, the German government indicated somewhere in the region of 75% of German law and regulation emanated from Brussels. It is not unreasonable to assume a similar figure for the UK, too.
Slam dunk.’

COMMENT: Posted on 8 September 2010 16:25 by Mike Stallard
Take it from me (and I'm one of these evil local government regulators) DC is right, the vast majority of it comes from the EU.

Much of it is nonsensical and Parliament don't seem to care. I've seen them all rush out of the debating chamber whenever it comes to rubber-stamping an EU directive.

The 'gold plating' thing is true as well, the civil service bureaucracy builds little empires out of the most obscure petty EU dictats we could have just put on a shelf an ignored.

In fact, this is what loads of EU nations would do with Doug's pile of paper, just put it on a shelf and forget about it.

We, on the other hand, will transpose and enforce the lot (or at least try to, some of it is no silly no one knows what it means).
++++++

During the Irish referendum scam when the EU had 100s of staff drafted in to Ireland to sell the yes vote and told thie parliament air would stop immediately if the vote was leave - and that they were safeguarded under the new Constitution scam / Lisbon Treaty - We actually anylised every single action of the Irish pretend parliament and for the preceding 3 years as I recall it was 81.5% of ALL laws enacted were rubber stamping of EU diktat.

Name ANYTHING that even begins to justify £2Million an hour membership cost!

If it takes a war to leave let us have it before starvation comes to these shores and the power fails as it will if we stay in the EU.

The EU will be THE greatest cause of death in Your lifetime - as it continues to collapse already The EU is a net food importer for the first time in history.

The inevitable wars of disassociation could well give rise to 200,000,000 deaths actoss EUrope.

The EU has not a single solitary honest project that is a success NOT ONE of consequence.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Robert]

Firstly, thanks for talking to me the other day. Secondly, did you realise you just said you'd be prepared to kill 200,000,000 to get us out of the EU? Under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty we can withdraw peacefully from the EU:

"1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49."

About the 75% figure I'm afraid I can't agree without further proof. See this link for an explanation of how UKIP mis-interpreted a statement by Hans-Gert Pottering:

What percentage of laws come from the EU?*|*Nosemonkey&#039;s EUtopia

The House of Commons Library has the figure at 9.1%. As the link says this doesn't include all laws. But I can't imagine the figure to exceed 20%. Nonetheless I agree with you that whether or not the UK gets pooled soveriegnty and therefore is able to take a part in decision making, it's ridiculous that we can't say no to certain pieces of legislation. I favour a system where we can pick and choose, not only in minor cases, but also with regards to the treaties, which EU legislation is passed or even scrapped in the UK.

Robert Battison,

Party Leader,
The Reform Party,
www.thereformparty.tk

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

I did NOT say I was prepared to I said:

The inevitable wars of disassociation could well give rise to 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope.

I believe as the inability to fee people increases and the central dictatorship finds even more people seeking and valuing freedom and self determination brush wars for disassociation will be increasingly inevitable.

The entire experiment has been a total failure with not a single achievement that justifies a daily cost to Britain of £48 Million pounds or £2 Million an hour - that is £17.5 Billion a year!

STOP THINK:

ONE Billion is in itself a VERY large number!
1Bn. seconds ago it was 1963
1Bn. Minutes ago The Christian era had not begun as Christ had not been born!
1Bn. Hours ago bi pedal mammals did not exist!

Politicians speak glibly of £Billions of OUR money but I have every doubt that they haven't a clue what a Billion is!

Clearly in financial and moral terms there is absolutely no justification for Britain's membership of the anti democratic EU!

Frankly I don't care what their self serving and undemocratically imposed laws are - they are an obscene and vile organisation unrivaled in history for their malign and damaging effect.

They are merely a political Gulag from which the majority of the peoples of the vassal states wish to leave - that is not to say the majority of states as with any entity it has parasites who benefit!

I too can cut and paste from the 120,000 pages of regulation in 27 primary languages.

Frankly I don't care what their views are, I don't care what their laws are, I don't care if every man jack of the perfidious bast@rds in the EU structure dies - give the peoples of Britain what we want which is liberty, freedom, sovereignty, our own borders and self determination.

Or face the consequences of wars of disassociation that could give rise to 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope - the last time that happened was cause by a flea!

I see no reason why Britain or any other Country enslaved undemocratically by a malign centralised self serving power should even bother considering what hoops they want us to jump through - I do not accept diktat imposed upon me by aliens.

Your figures on the body of law imposed by the EU are bunkum - that they have entered such bunkum in The House of Commons library comes as no surprise to me - The last Government also lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction and 45 minute delivery leading to a war to prop up the US$ as reserve currency of choice.

They also without the vaguest understanding of what they were doing entered one piddling province of a sovereign Country and pretended they knew what they were doing and who they were fighting and why - none of which did they understand!

It is not a matter of If but when and how we leave The EU nor is it a matter of If but when and how it collapses - it is alread having to force people to remain and spending £2.4Billion a year to fail to convince its own prisoners it is not a failure!!!

As for Pottering speech I watched it, listened to it and read it - make whatever excuses or dishonest interpretations you like - Pottering clearly stated that The EU makes the laws for all of EUrope and the German Constitutional Courts stated The EU made over 75% of all laws and we checked every document passing through the Irish Parliament and showed over 80% was rubber stamping EU imposed diktat.

Good to chat the other day - I still opine that without leadership we need yet another party like a hole in the head. All we need is to Leave-The-EU we can then get on with our lives erradicating the heinous damage done during the last 65 years since we joined with Europe to form the supra national empirate of what is now the EU with its undemocratic centralised dictatorship and its army of apparatchiks exceeding that of The Chinese Army in number.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

for your info - the latest news letter:

Dear all,

Please find attached the fourth party podcast, and also the transcript for those of you who can't listen to the audio version for one reason or another.

In this last fortnight we've started to discuss policies, and also sent off our forms to register with the Electoral Commission. We've even begun plans for a tour of the country. I'll explain more in the podcast about all of this, but myself, our Campaigns Manager, and one of our Subject Specialists, have committed to going on a road trip later this year to announce our party when we officially launch. We need others to come with us if possible, so if you fancy a road trip then please do say! Or if you want us to come to your area then say so too. We'd love to meet as many of you as possible.

The policy discussions are going well at thereformparty.myfreeforum.org :: Index
If you haven't read any of the comments then please do so now.

And if you're not already a member of our new facebook page then please join at The Reform Party Fotos | Facebook

Thanks for your time. Remember to keep in touch; I always love to hear from any member.

Kind Regards,

Robert Battison,
Party Leader,
The Reform Party
The Reform Party UK

I trust this helps.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.