Prejudice against Arabs and Muslims

[Hestia]

Presented in a comedic manner by the Arab-American comedian Dean Obeidallah and his other Middle Eastern friends in accordance with HM Queen Rania of Jordan's attempt to "break down stereotypes" and something else that has to do with building bridges between the East and the West.

The Video .

This video is supposed to convey the amount of ignorance people have about Arabs and Muslims in general and not that I don't think it's hilarious but it's not our fault people know so little about us and thus it's not our duty to break down ignorant stereotypes, if people want to know more about Arabs and Muslims they should ask, explore, read and do their own research, we cannot educate people and are not obliged to do so, if people want to remain ignorant then let them be, I think it's a bit demeaning to try to convince uneducated people that Arabs and Muslims are "normal" people. Anyway, I found the following comments extremely hilarious!

Oh you're Arab, don't take this the wrong way but if you hear of any terrorist attacks coming up will you warn me? I'm kidding, but seriously if you hear something going down please tell me.
Are you Islam? Are you Mausoleum? Are you Islamabad?
Does your dad have a lot of wives?
You're Egyptian? What a coincidence, I live next to an Indian family!
So how many terrorists are there?
You're Middle Eastern? What's with the 9/11 thing?

On the other hand there are those incidents that cannot be conveyed in a humorous manner such as this one: 'Find our son's killers': Plea by family of Arab student killed in race attack | Mail Online and many other racist attacks. Your thoughts?

[Balthazar]

Your thoughts?

I think British Muslims should get out more and do something similar. There are one or two doing it, e.g. the stand up comic Shazia Mirza, famous for coming on stage just after 9/11 and saying:

"My name is Shazia Mirza. At least, that's what it says on my pilot's licence."

Racist idiots are basically figures of fun (when not stuffing petrol-soaked rags through Muslim letter boxes). The British have a long tradition of laughing at little Hitlers - the whole nation roared with laughter at strutting, pompous, self-important Nazis during WW2 - and I'd like to see the BNP, EDL and their scummy fellow travellers satirised with all the comedian's arts.

[angelcountry]

Haya haya haya .

[Major Sinic]

I think British Muslims should get out more and do something similar. There are one or two doing it, e.g. the stand up comic Shazia Mirza, famous for coming on stage just after 9/11 and saying:

"My name is Shazia Mirza. At least, that's what it says on my pilot's licence."

Racist idiots are basically figures of fun (when not stuffing petrol-soaked rags through Muslim letter boxes). The British have a long tradition of laughing at little Hitlers - the whole nation roared with laughter at strutting, pompous, self-important Nazis during WW2 - and I'd like to see the BNP, EDL and their scummy fellow travellers satirised with all the comedian's arts.

Do you also find young Muslim suicide bombers and the evil religious zealots who have indoctrinated them, always a very safe distance from the death and carnage carried out in the name of their prophet, worthy of satirising, or perhaps you you don't find anything amusing about such atrocities. I see little difference between your extremism and that of the BNP.

[Balthazar]

Do you also find young Muslim suicide bombers and the evil religious zealots who have indoctrinated them, always a very safe distance from the death and carnage carried out in the name of their prophet, worthy of satirising

Yes. So does Shazia Mirza:

"I am becoming increasingly worried that if I die a virgin, when I get to heaven I'll be one of the 72 virgins that have to sleep with one of the suicide bombers. I suspect they'd be a bit disappointed." More

I see little difference between your extremism and that of the BNP.

What's "extreme" about laughing at BNP knuckleheads, their UKIP fellow travellers, and mad-as-a-brush religious maniacs? Please explain dear chap.

[angelcountry]

Haya haya more evil aforethought against my religion allah said it in the book of al-qur'an 113-5 on how we can deal with them in the sunnah, so haya haya more on those above comments.

Even if we let go off all the dauries we paid and the zadarkar for all the nikar the envy people will still have something left to complain about.

[TellMeMore]

Jihads, raptures, ends of days. You people should all be locked up.

[Major Sinic]

Yes. So does Shazia Mirza:

"I am becoming increasingly worried that if I die a virgin, when I get to heaven I'll be one of the 72 virgins that have to sleep with one of the suicide bombers. I suspect they'd be a bit disappointed." More




What's "extreme" about laughing at BNP knuckleheads, their UKIP fellow travellers, and mad-as-a-brush religious maniacs? Please explain dear chap.

There is nothing extreme about laughing at the BNP, although I am always wary of underestimating those I oppose. I think you judge UKIP too harshly. I assume that you mean Muslim fundamentalists when you refer to mad-as-a-hat religious maniacs?

No your extremism is your acceptance, indeed encouragement, that Muslims should take to the streets and take the law into their own hands by resorting to violence, and your apparent unconditional admiration that they have done so.

[angelcountry]

Islam does not teaches us to be violent with people who are non violence with us But to be violence with people that are violence with us, thats the ibadar anyway. so we can not suffer in silent in the teaching.

Under the law rioting is prohibited while the right to a peaceful protest can never be infringe with in any ramification, but allah knows best.

Or do you want me to explain what pay as you go mean ?

[Major Sinic]

Islam does not teaches us to be violent with people who are non violence with us But to be violence with people that are violence with us, thats the ibadar anyway. so we can not suffer in silent in the teaching.

Under the law rioting is prohibited while the right to a peaceful protest can never be infringe with in any ramification, but allah knows best.

Or do you want me to explain what pay as you go mean ?

You may believe Allah knows best, and I respect your right to your faith. In a civilised society which is home to many dozens of differing faiths and philosophies, you must in turn accept my right to hold different but equally valid beliefs.

In turn we must all obey the laws of this country, if we are to live in peace in a civilised society, or change them through argument, debate, representation and democratic process, not through violence, coercion and intimidation.

[Hestia]

I took a look at the link you posted, she's hilarious, can't believe I've never heard of her before!

I think British Muslims should get out more and do something similar.

If by doing something similar you mean that they should get involved in their surrounding community then I agree, the problem is though that after all the terrorist attacks on the west some western Muslims have gone to one of two extremes; some shut the world away, became very isolated and felt their faith and culture were at threat and thus held on to certain symbols that they might not necessarily believe in but felt showed their adherence to their faith, such as Hijab. Others went out of their way to show people that Islam isn't scary and violent and that Arabs or Middle Easterners aren't bad people that instead of it being viewed as a call to bridge the gaps and unite against a mutual enemy their efforts were viewed as justifications and attempts to win people's approval. Of course there are those moderate Muslims, the majority, but no one likes to talk about them.

[Hestia]

Haya haya more evil aforethought against my religion allah said it in the book of al-qur'an 113-5 on how we can deal with them in the sunnah, so haya haya more on those above comments.

Even if we let go off all the dauries we paid and the zadarkar for all the nikar the envy people will still have something left to complain about.

Deal with what in the what?
Why does it always feel like you're casting a spell? and what on earth does haya, zadarkar or nikar mean? What does the Sunneh have to do with anything?
Rephrasing, what does anything you said here mean or have to do with what is being discussed?

[angelcountry]

Deal with what in the what?
Why does it always feel like you're casting a spell? and what on earth does haya, zadarkar or nikar mean? What does the Sunneh have to do with anything?
Rephrasing, what does anything you said here mean or have to do with what is being discussed?

I think i am drunk in my opinion, which is palpably wrong i suggest, there you have it.

Now you can make and order of mandamus on that if you like ?

[Hestia]

Jihads, raptures, ends of days.

Jihad is an Arabic word that means to strive for something and in Islam that can be accomplished in many ways that do not include terrorist attacks, just to sum it up for you since it's kind of boring to repeat the same thing over and over again and Jihad has been brought up in every discussion here, somehow the media linked an Arabic verb that means striving to accomplish a good goal to terrorists. Would you like the extended version on Jihad?

You people should all be locked up.

Lovely, but you might want to rethink locking us all up together, you see, us people are stronger together kind of like the Ninja turtles, people of the gulf have the money, the Afaghani people can make bombs out of jelly beans and we have the gullible people who can be led into believing that if they commit suicide bombings and kill civilians they'll go straight to heaven and beautiful women would be waiting for them and they can have as many as they want without practicing their chat up lines and without even having a job. I'm sure you have a plan B though! Good luck.

[angelcountry]

Jihad is an Arabic word that means to strive for something and in Islam that can be accomplished in many ways that do not include terrorist attacks, just to sum it up for you since it's kind of boring to repeat the same thing over and over again and Jihad has been brought up in every discussion here, somehow the media linked an Arabic verb that means striving to accomplish a good goal to terrorists. Would you like the extended version on Jihad?


Lovely, but you might want to rethink locking us all up together, you see, us people are stronger together kind of like the Ninja turtles, people of the gulf have the money, the Afaghani people can make bombs out of jelly beans and we have the gullible people who can be led into believing that if they commit suicide bombings and kill civilians they'll go straight to heaven and beautiful women would be waiting for them and they can have as many as they want without practicing their chat up lines and without even having a job. I'm sure you have a plan B though! Good luck.

I am quite aware from your statement now that, you're a muslim and you have actually explained what Jihad means, only the extremist muslim go on the contrary and the ineterpretation of Jihad to simphony their concert and their teacher, alihamdulilai.

Nham.

[D.P.R]

I think British Muslims should get out more and do something similar.

You mean ridicule their own religion?

The average white liberal is frightened of morality since it must ultimately end with their social and economic privileges being removed.

[Balthazar]

You mean ridicule their own religion?

Of course. That's what happened in Ireland with Father Ted. The whole nation roared with laughter and each time they did the power of the church was diminished. Right up to the 1980s Ireland was a God-intoxicated country with reactionary priests ruling the roost, telling raped 14 yr old girls it was their own fault, running a massive child abuse operation. But then came the Celtic Tiger economy, the arrival of Intel etc and huge injections of EU money.

It's a deadly combination so far as bollocking a religion is concerned: cash in people's pockets plus everyone laughing at the priests. By God it worked and Ireland was dragged into the modern age. Plus there's been little or no back-sliding during the current economic crisis: the Catholic Church in Ireland has been well and truly bollocked.

That, in the end, is what will happen with British Muslims if they're not tormented by a Muslim-killing foreign policy or fascist thugs invading their communities. They'll slowly grow wealthier and de-couple from their religion. It's what always happens.

The average white liberal is frightened of morality since it must ultimately end with their social and economic privileges being removed.

What do you mean? The average white liberal is intensely moralistic. They think everyone should be like them!

[Opinionated]

The average white liberal is frightened of morality since it must ultimately end with their social and economic privileges being removed.

Surely your average liberal wishes to see an end to their social and economic priveleges being so disproportionate?

[DC]

I do think there is a bad stereotype for Muslims, there is for virtually every race.

But, in general, the Middle East and Islam are extremely primitive in comparison to the West, hence the propagation of extremism.

[TellMeMore]

Jihad is an Arabic word that means to strive for something and in Islam that can be accomplished in many ways that do not include terrorist attacks, just to sum it up for you since it's kind of boring to repeat the same thing over and over again and Jihad has been brought up in every discussion here, somehow the media linked an Arabic verb that means striving to accomplish a good goal to terrorists. Would you like the extended version on Jihad?


Lovely, but you might want to rethink locking us all up together, you see, us people are stronger together kind of like the Ninja turtles, people of the gulf have the money, the Afaghani people can make bombs out of jelly beans and we have the gullible people who can be led into believing that if they commit suicide bombings and kill civilians they'll go straight to heaven and beautiful women would be waiting for them and they can have as many as they want without practicing their chat up lines and without even having a job. I'm sure you have a plan B though! Good luck.

I do have a plan B, but I doubt you'd enjoy it very much............

[angelcountry]

You mean ridicule their own religion?

The average white liberal is frightened of morality since it must ultimately end with their social and economic privileges being removed.

What morality did you display for us ?

Having had sex on top of a crane, the you want to instruct other race to display morality of what nature, kissing and romancing infront of 5 year old child ?

[Hestia]

You mean ridicule their own religion?

That sounded like something an extremist would say while holding a sword to a kidnapped reporter's neck. She didn't ridicule our faith, she's merely ridiculing the acts of certain people committed in the name of Islam which is a very good thing in my opinion because it's about time people knew the difference between what they worship (God) and the means they worship God in (Islam and the like), God is holy and just and is everything good combined, Islam like every other faith and religion out there is only one way of worshiping God, it is okay to discuss Islam let alone its followers, and it's the duty of every Muslim to speak out about wrong doings, offering solutions or only criticizing what's wrong is a form of Jihad BTW, it's called Al Jihad bil lisan, Jihad through tongue, and just like I explained earlier, terrorist attacks aren't a form of Jihad, Jihad is actually a very noble thing that aims at helping people not killing them.

[Hestia]

I do think there is a bad stereotype for Muslims, there is for virtually every race.

That doesn't make it acceptable, and it's not fair how we were labeled as heartless murderers while others were given a lot less violent labels. What ever happened to our men being hairy and our women beautiful and us living in tents with camels, lose the murderers part, I want that!

But, in general, the Middle East and Islam are extremely primitive in comparison to the West, hence the propagation of extremism.

Primitive? How so? Please explain, because the last time I checked we had high literacy rates, long life expectancy, good health care, random shootings-free schools, less homeless people and less crime rates, true we haven't managed to completely recover from an occupation that lasted over 400 years and drained all of our resources but it's improving and we're doing fine. As for why extremism has spread, we've been third world countries long before 2001 and long before the rise of Al-Qaeda, can you think of something else that happened during the rise of extremists in the Middle East? For instance, genocides committed in Arab countries like Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq?
Anyway, your statement is too general and it's going to take more than one post to reply to it, but I'll just sum it up with the following: Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a lot more, all committed in countries that weren't primitive.

[Hestia]

What morality did you display for us ?

Having had sex on top of a crane, the you want to instruct other race to display morality of what nature, kissing and romancing infront of 5 year old child ?

Can you please stop with the whole you VS us thing, you don't make sense and you're scaring me dude.

[angelcountry]

Can you please stop with the whole you VS us thing, you don't make sense and you're scaring me dude.

Hijabar, come on haya haya ?

I pinned the right sore.

L.o.L

[fubar]

Hijabar, come on haya haya ?

I pinned the right sore.

L.o.L

You make no sense it does not help you In fact you sound like a fool

[Major Sinic]

Hijabar, come on haya haya ?

I pinned the right sore.

L.o.L

I don't know what substance you have been taking but I do know that it must be illegal. I am sure that there are a number of agencies that may be able to help you. Do contact the Citizens Advice Bureau and I am sure that they will be able to point you in the right direction.

[angelcountry]

I don't know what substance you have been taking but I do know that it must be illegal. I am sure that there are a number of agencies that may be able to help you. Do contact the Citizens Advice Bureau and I am sure that they will be able to point you in the right direction.

What do i need from citizen advice bureau ?

People like us should be there working for people but you will never let us enlight people of no substance and we're well aware of the environment control by your usual people, which i have never seen that sort of thing practise in any other country of the world than authoritarian nation like yours.

May allah help your nation in the right path, than what it his right now.

We have our own ''Sukura'' in dealing with those sort of people never learned.

[DC]

That doesn't make it acceptable, and it's not fair how we were labeled as heartless murderers while others were given a lot less violent labels. What ever happened to our men being hairy and our women beautiful and us living in tents with camels, lose the murderers part, I want that!

But that's still an incorrect stereotype, so your not in fact complaining about stereotypes at all, you just want a nice one. Everybody has a bad stereotype, Jews are greedy, Blacks are stupid gangsters who'll steal your car and knife you, Asians will try to jibe you for money and breed like rabbits and are extremely good at maths, Whites are arrogant, racist, imperialists and you're the terrorists.

Primitive? How so? Please explain, because the last time I checked we had high literacy rates, long life expectancy, good health care, random shootings-free schools, less homeless people and less crime rates, true we haven't managed to completely recover from an occupation that lasted over 400 years and drained all of our resources but it's improving and we're doing fine. As for why extremism has spread, we've been third world countries long before 2001 and long before the rise of Al-Qaeda, can you think of something else that happened during the rise of extremists in the Middle East? For instance, genocides committed in Arab countries like Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq?
Anyway, your statement is too general and it's going to take more than one post to reply to it, but I'll just sum it up with the following: Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a lot more, all committed in countries that weren't primitive.

I was in no way referring to terrorism. Take Afghanistan for example, why are there still tribes? Why are warlords still running parts of the country and women considered lesser than men?

Why is capital punishment,particularly the savage capital punishment like stoning, still widely in use throughout the Middle East? Why is there a double standard for men and women throughout Islam, not just the middle east. Why is the Koran so strictly adhered to? Why does the Middle East, and Islam at large, still cling to the words of their holy scripture? The fact that Warlordism, tribalism and Clanism, racism (Shia vs Sunni), sexism, barbaric executions and an extreme adherance to Holy scripture are present throughout the Middle East indicates that it is quite primitive. Even Dubai, the most advanced Arab nation, still relies on capital punishment tribal politiking, it's wealth does not come from knowledge or organisation, it comes from the trade of oil and tourism, essentially Western patronism.

[angelcountry]

[QUOTE=DCFGS3;82207]But that's still an incorrect stereotype, so your not in fact complaining about stereotypes at all, you just want a nice one. Everybody has a bad stereotype, Jews are greedy, Blacks are stupid gangsters who'll steal your car and knife you, Asians will try to jibe you for money and breed like rabbits and are extremely good at maths, Whites are arrogant, racist, imperialists and you're the terrorists.




You can imagine those comment and i presume the commentator must either be asian or white person who love to create a good image for themself, the people that rake the ATM, machine and stole mobile phone from the car and doing drugs in ireland or those who hijack juwelries recently in london are from what race ?

My selction is still inconclusive so come on reckon and get over beast and racist segregation filty hate of a generation that are afriad of the law, will just come up with your thought and let us spend more of nama cash please ?


No way out!

[Hestia]

But that's still an incorrect stereotype, so your not in fact complaining about stereotypes at all, you just want a nice one. Everybody has a bad stereotype, Jews are greedy, Blacks are stupid gangsters who'll steal your car and knife you, Asians will try to jibe you for money and breed like rabbits and are extremely good at maths, Whites are arrogant, racist, imperialists and you're the terrorists.

And you obviously have no sense of humor, I wasn't being serious, notice how this whole post is about stereotypes and was posted in the racism sub-forum?

I was in no way referring to terrorism.

The fact that Muslims are labeled as terrorists and murderers was being discussed, you said Muslims and Middle Easterners are primitive and that's why extremism has spread here but assuming you weren't referring to terrorism, how does anyone taking their adherence to a certain religion to the extreme bother you or even affect you if it wasn't for the possibility of that blind adherence or extremism causing violence that threatens your well-being? So, you were referring to terrorism and I replied to that.

Take Afghanistan for example, why are there still tribes? Why are warlords still running parts of the country and women considered lesser than men?

I didn't have a say in the creation of people, the whole family and tribes thing, but why shouldn't there be tribes? Tribes are only big families, the descendants of an ancestor you know, they're not necessarily a huge group of people who live in tents and fight other tribes like they do in movies, and as for the rest of your question, Afghanistan was ruled by Taliban, Taliban dragged the Afghanis a million light years back, they were doing fine before that but anyway that has nothing to do with what is being discussed because Afghanistan isn't an Arab country and I already explained why things there are messed up.

Why is capital punishment,particularly the savage capital punishment like stoning, still widely in use throughout the Middle East?

In use? Widely? Two out of 22 Arab countries use stoning as a punishment, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, I've never heard of any stoning incidents in the UAE, in the rest of the Arab world stoning is a crime and it should be. As for the Muslim world, 5 (and some say 7) out of 52 Muslim countries use stoning, noting that stoning as a punishment is referred to in the three Abrahamic religions, not Islam alone.

Why is there a double standard for men and women throughout Islam

How so? Please clarify.

Why is the Koran so strictly adhered to? Why does the Middle East, and Islam at large, still cling to the words of their holy scripture?

How is that a bad thing or how does it make us primitive?

racism (Shia vs Sunni)

As opposed to the tolerance and harmony the rest of the world enjoys? We have no racism in the Arab world and we surely have no racism in Islam, any conflicts between Shia and Sunneh only took place in Iraq after the US "liberated" it.

[DC]

[QUOTE=Hestia;82659]

The fact that Muslims are labeled as terrorists and murderers was being discussed, you said Muslims and Middle Easterners are primitive and that's why extremism has spread here but assuming you weren't referring to terrorism, how does anyone taking their adherence to a certain religion to the extreme bother you or even affect you if it wasn't for the possibility of that blind adherence or extremism causing violence that threatens your well-being? So, you were referring to terrorism and I replied to that.

Extremism spreads through poverty and lack of education, and in the case of religious extremism, is helped along by superstition.

I didn't have a say in the creation of people, the whole family and tribes thing, but why shouldn't there be tribes? Tribes are only big families, the descendants of an ancestor you know, they're not necessarily a huge group of people who live in tents and fight other tribes like they do in movies, and as for the rest of your question, Afghanistan was ruled by Taliban, Taliban dragged the Afghanis a million light years back, they were doing fine before that but anyway that has nothing to do with what is being discussed because Afghanistan isn't an Arab country and I already explained why things there are messed up.

But the tribes are essentially mini-states within a larger state. They must be politicised with to achieve anything. Tribalism is fundamentally a primitive idea. Hence why no developed nation has Tribes.

In use? Widely? Two out of 22 Arab countries use stoning as a punishment, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, I've never heard of any stoning incidents in the UAE, in the rest of the Arab world stoning is a crime and it should be. As for the Muslim world, 5 (and some say 7) out of 52 Muslim countries use stoning, noting that stoning as a punishment is referred to in the three Abrahamic religions, not Islam alone.

Yes but it is practiced in Afghanistan (unofficially) as well, as well as Pakistan (granted, not an Arab country). It is practiced in Yemen unofficially. Also I only gave stoning as a more savage example. The fact that it even exists and is defended by Muslim scholars highlights the primitive nature of the Middle East. Other examples including lashings, beheadings and hangings. It's medieval.

And just because stoning exists in the Bible doesn't mean we automatically adopt it, because Religion has very little if any say in Western civil authority.

How so? Please clarify.

Headscarves for one. And you might say that women choose to wear them, the fact that they're threatened when they don't is indicative of discrimination. Furthermore women are treated harsher in many judicial systems. Why are many mosques still segregated?Also, find me a picture of an Islamic protest (there's a lot) that isn't specifically about women's rights, in which more than a quarter of the crowd are women.

How is that a bad thing or how does it make us primitive?

Because a developed society doesn't use the words of a dead prophet as law.

As opposed to the tolerance and harmony the rest of the world enjoys? We have no racism in the Arab world and we surely have no racism in Islam, any conflicts between Shia and Sunneh only took place in Iraq after the US "liberated" it.

Islam was founded by expelling or destroying other cultures.

[LA]

In Britain the law cannot discriminate against Arabs, or any other minority.
It can discriminate against White Males however - And Harman wants to make that worse.

Maybe if the Government stopped treaty minorities as if they were something amazingly special that they require different rules, and started treating everyone equally, we would have a better society.

But as long as minorities are treated better by the Government [or even perceived to be treated as is true in some aspects] there will always be resentment.

[D.P.R]

What morality did you display for us ?

Having had sex on top of a crane, the you want to instruct other race to display morality of what nature, kissing and romancing infront of 5 year old child ?

Would that be like getting married to a seven year old and having sex with her when she's nine?

One couldn't imagine a prime minister or president doing that in a million years, but the creator of a primitive world religion.... sure!

[tory tea bag]

i think it great when prime ministers and mp go on about blacks and asians when none of then wound have black nabours or live in area where thay are i wound be handie for kebabs there good eating

[Kiwi 1691]

The hatred in some nations really shocks me.

I am from an inclusive culture, that is truly multicultural.

The idea that there is a thread like this saddens me. Every Muslim person I have met has been friendly, intelligent and hardworking.

Because of this I have a good opinion of Muslims.

Yes there are bad Muslims, but there are bad people in every group in society.

[hidayatnw]

As Muslim, As Indonesian, As British I have never gotten problem with my British mates, even with my BNP's neighbour. Maybe because most people in GB associate Muslim with India-Paki and Arab..

Politic is politic, BNP could be the most racist party in GB, but some of their supporters are not precisely a racist.

[CAGAN]

The hatred in some nations really shocks me.

I am from an inclusive culture, that is truly multicultural.

The idea that there is a thread like this saddens me. Every Muslim person I have met has been friendly, intelligent and hardworking.

Because of this I have a good opinion of Muslims.

Yes there are bad Muslims, but there are bad people in every group in society.

That's strange because nearly every Muslim I have met has been horrible. It's a vile and intolerant religion that advocates the slaying of Jews. Mohamed himself was a war warmongering pedo who married a eleven year old girl. If you publicly condemn Islam the Muslims feel they have the right to murder you. For the life of me I can't understand why people stick up for them after events such as 9/11 and 7/7. Your argument no doubt would be that it is a minority that commit these crimes, well let me tell you that the Nazis were a minority in Germany. If they want to study their vile religion in their own countries, well that's fine, personally I would ban it in Britain !!

[Midas]

That's strange because nearly every Muslim I have met has been horrible.

Could that be because of your obvious attitude towards them I wonder? People generally respond like for like, and I have to say that I've never encountered this problem.

[Kiwi 1691]

That's strange because nearly every Muslim I have met has been horrible. It's a vile and intolerant religion that advocates the slaying of Jews. Mohamed himself was a war warmongering pedo who married a eleven year old girl. If you publicly condemn Islam the Muslims feel they have the right to murder you. For the life of me I can't understand why people stick up for them after events such as 9/11 and 7/7. Your argument no doubt would be that it is a minority that commit these crimes, well let me tell you that the Nazis were a minority in Germany. If they want to study their vile religion in their own countries, well that's fine, personally I would ban it in Britain !!

Boy I hope you are not a christian, because if you are then you would be one of the most uneducated hypocrites that I have ever seen.

[CAGAN]

Boy I hope you are not a christian, because if you are then you would be one of the most uneducated hypocrites that I have ever seen.

No, I hate all religions and believe that anyone following any of them can only be brain washed idiots. Islam however is the worst of the lot. I don't know what you mean by uneducated either. My original post stated fact

1) Mohamed was a war monger who wanted to conquer other countries in order he could spread his vile beliefs

2) Mohamed DID have an eleven year old wife. In fact even to this day under Islamic law a man can have sex with a woman six months after her first period.

3) 9/11, 7/7 were done by Muslims along with just about every modern day atrocity.

4) The Kuram (spelling) advocates the slaying of Jews

All these things my friend are fact and NOT opinion. You may chose to defend the undefendable in the name of political correctness, I chose to echo the beliefs of the majority.

[Streetwalker]

Come on Cagan,own up ,you dont hate all religions.Just non Jewish ones

[Kiwi 1691]

No, I hate all religions and believe that anyone following any of them can only be brain washed idiots. Islam however is the worst of the lot. I don't know what you mean by uneducated either. My original post stated fact

Well, I dislike all religions also, but you attack Islam so fervantly. What about Judaism and Christianity, both have the same basis as Islam.

1) Mohamed was a war monger who wanted to conquer other countries in order he could spread his vile beliefs

The Jewish/Christain God was a wormonger in the oldtestimante.

Throughout history Christian nations invaded nations around the world and forced the peoples of those land to addopt Christianity.

2) Mohamed DID have an eleven year old wife. In fact even to this day under Islamic law a man can have sex with a woman six months after her first period.

In the past it was very common for older men to marry very young girls allover the place. This was common practice along-time before Islam was eve thought of.

3) 9/11, 7/7 were done by Muslims along with just about every modern day atrocity.

So Christians and Jews murdered people all-over the world for thousands of years and you hate Islam beacause a a couple of the 1.2 or so billion Musilims commit violent crimes.

And the 9/11, 7/7 were caused by the actions of Jews and Christians.

4) The Kuram (spelling) advocates the slaying of Jews

The Tora and Bible advocate the slaying of

So what does the Bible tell us?
Who should we kill? ?

• Homosexuals (Lev.20:13, Rom.1:26-32)
• Adulterers (Lev.20:10, Deut.22:22)
• Disobedient children (Deut.21:20-21, Lev.20:9, Exod.21:15)
• Women who are not virgins on their wedding night (Deut.22:13-21)
• All non-Christians (parable told by Christ - Luke.19:27)
• Those accused of wickedness by at least two people (Deut.17:2-7)
• Anyone who works on the Sabbath (Exod.35:2-3, Num.15:32-6) (not even to kindle a fire, and no exclusion for ambulance drivers)

Women

• It is shameful for a woman to speak in church (1Cor.14:34-5)
• A man must OK his wife´s words if they are to have force (Num.30:8)
• A woman must not teach or hold authority over a man (1Tim.2:12)
• Lot saves the messengers from the men of Sodom by offering up his virgin daughters to ´do to them as you please´ (Gen.19:8) Kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man (Moses - Num.31:17-8)

Slavery

• God supports slavery (Lev.25:44-6, Exod.21:2-8, Eph.6:5, Col.3:22)
• Instructions on how to sell your daughter as a slave (Exod.21:7-8)
• When to give your slaves severe or light beatings (Luke.12:42-8)
• OK to beat slaves only if they don´t die within 2 days (Exod.21:20-1)
• How to mark your slave: drive an awl through its ear (Deut.15:17)

Marriage

• It´s best if all people remain unmarried. Marriage is a lesser-of-two-evils compromise for Christians too weak to resist their sexual urges, for it is better to marry than to burn. (Paul - 1Cor.7:1-2, 8-9, 25-6, 38)
• The rapist of an unwed woman must buy her and make her his wife (apparently a far more 'holy' union than a genuine, loving same-sex relationship) - Deut.22:28-9

Justice

• If a man suspects his wife of cheating he can serve her a cursed drink; if she becomes deformed, then that proves her guilt (Num.5:12-31)
• 42 children killed by bears for calling a prophet baldy (2King.2:23-4)
• OK to beat your children with a rod - it won't kill them (Prov.23:13-4)
• God commits, orders, or endorses every form of atrocity known to man (pretty much pick a page of the Old Testament at random)

Do the Old Testament laws still apply?

• Every jot and tittle (Christ Matt.5:17-9)

Christ, what a role model!

• Christ tells us we must hate our entire family, and even our own life, if we want to be one of His disciples (Luke.14:26)
• Those who abandon their families will be rewarded (Matt.19:29)
• ´For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.´ (Christ - Matt.10:35-6)
• I came not to send peace, but a sword (Christ - Matt.10:34)
• If you don´t have a sword, sell your clothes to buy one (Luke.22:36)
• Curses fig tree for not bearing fruit in off-season (Mark.11:12-4, 20-1)
• Didn´t want to help girl because she was a ´dog´ gentile (Matt.15:22-8)

[fubar]

If anyone of you have walked into a predominantly Muslim area you would understand. Try geting served in muslim shop see the way thay look at you that enough to make you start look around to see if your going to get jumped.the muslim i know are non practicing and are just like you and me.

[Kiwi 1691]

If anyone of you have walked into a predominantly Muslim area you would understand. Try geting served in muslim shop see the way thay look at you that enough to make you start look around to see if your going to get jumped.the muslim i know are non practicing and are just like you and me.

So what you are saying is you don't like Muslims because they appear to not like you.

Fubar you are constantly targeting Islam on this thread, if you act like that in real life, I would not be surprised if they did not like you.

[fubar]

Well, I dislike all religions also, but you attack Islam so fervantly. What about Judaism and Christianity, both have the same basis as Islam.



The Jewish/Christain God was a wormonger in the oldtestimante.

Throughout history Christian nations invaded nations around the world and forced the peoples of those land to addopt Christianity.



In the past it was very common for older men to marry very young girls allover the place. This was common practice along-time before Islam was eve thought of.




So Christians and Jews murdered people all-over the world for thousands of years and you hate Islam beacause a a couple of the 1.2 or so billion Musilims commit violent crimes.

And the 9/11, 7/7 were caused by the actions of Jews and Christians.



The Tora and Bible advocate the slaying of

So what does the Bible tell us?
Who should we kill? ?

• Homosexuals (Lev.20:13, Rom.1:26-32)
• Adulterers (Lev.20:10, Deut.22:22)
• Disobedient children (Deut.21:20-21, Lev.20:9, Exod.21:15)
• Women who are not virgins on their wedding night (Deut.22:13-21)
• All non-Christians (parable told by Christ - Luke.19:27)
• Those accused of wickedness by at least two people (Deut.17:2-7)
• Anyone who works on the Sabbath (Exod.35:2-3, Num.15:32-6) (not even to kindle a fire, and no exclusion for ambulance drivers)

Women

• It is shameful for a woman to speak in church (1Cor.14:34-5)
• A man must OK his wife´s words if they are to have force (Num.30:8)
• A woman must not teach or hold authority over a man (1Tim.2:12)
• Lot saves the messengers from the men of Sodom by offering up his virgin daughters to ´do to them as you please´ (Gen.19:8) Kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man (Moses - Num.31:17-8)

Slavery

• God supports slavery (Lev.25:44-6, Exod.21:2-8, Eph.6:5, Col.3:22)
• Instructions on how to sell your daughter as a slave (Exod.21:7-8)
• When to give your slaves severe or light beatings (Luke.12:42-8)
• OK to beat slaves only if they don´t die within 2 days (Exod.21:20-1)
• How to mark your slave: drive an awl through its ear (Deut.15:17)

Marriage

• It´s best if all people remain unmarried. Marriage is a lesser-of-two-evils compromise for Christians too weak to resist their sexual urges, for it is better to marry than to burn. (Paul - 1Cor.7:1-2, 8-9, 25-6, 38)
• The rapist of an unwed woman must buy her and make her his wife (apparently a far more 'holy' union than a genuine, loving same-sex relationship) - Deut.22:28-9

Justice

• If a man suspects his wife of cheating he can serve her a cursed drink; if she becomes deformed, then that proves her guilt (Num.5:12-31)
• 42 children killed by bears for calling a prophet baldy (2King.2:23-4)
• OK to beat your children with a rod - it won't kill them (Prov.23:13-4)
• God commits, orders, or endorses every form of atrocity known to man (pretty much pick a page of the Old Testament at random)

Do the Old Testament laws still apply?

• Every jot and tittle (Christ Matt.5:17-9)

Christ, what a role model!

• Christ tells us we must hate our entire family, and even our own life, if we want to be one of His disciples (Luke.14:26)
• Those who abandon their families will be rewarded (Matt.19:29)
• ´For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.´ (Christ - Matt.10:35-6)
• I came not to send peace, but a sword (Christ - Matt.10:34)
• If you don´t have a sword, sell your clothes to buy one (Luke.22:36)
• Curses fig tree for not bearing fruit in off-season (Mark.11:12-4, 20-1)
• Didn´t want to help girl because she was a ´dog´ gentile (Matt.15:22-8)

in the modern world non of the above are relivant or practice,s Islam on the other hand is relivant and theirfor a big problem IMO

[CAGAN]

Come on Cagan,own up ,you dont hate all religions.Just non Jewish ones

I have no religion and proud to be totally atheist

[Marxist Nutter]

I have no religion and proud to be totally atheist

Bloody extremists atheists coming into OUR COUNTRY, taking OUR JOBS and THREATENING OUR CULTURE! Do you know that atheists have children!??? Which means in the futuire there will be even more atheists.

CAN NOBDOY ELSE SEE THAT IT IS AN ATHEIST CONSPIRACY TO TAKE OVER BRITAIN!?

ATHEISTS think for themselves and want to get rid of the tradition of God's law and replace it with their 'own laws' completely destroying our way of life. We cannot stand by while NULAB and the conservatives allow this atheist failed experiment with our culture to continue

[CAGAN]

Well, I dislike all religions also, but you attack Islam so fervantly. What about Judaism and Christianity, both have the same basis as Islam.



The Jewish/Christain God was a wormonger in the oldtestimante.

Throughout history Christian nations invaded nations around the world and forced the peoples of those land to addopt Christianity.



In the past it was very common for older men to marry very young girls allover the place. This was common practice along-time before Islam was eve thought of.




So Christians and Jews murdered people all-over the world for thousands of years and you hate Islam beacause a a couple of the 1.2 or so billion Musilims commit violent crimes.

And the 9/11, 7/7 were caused by the actions of Jews and Christians.



The Tora and Bible advocate the slaying of

So what does the Bible tell us?
Who should we kill? ?

• Homosexuals (Lev.20:13, Rom.1:26-32)
• Adulterers (Lev.20:10, Deut.22:22)
• Disobedient children (Deut.21:20-21, Lev.20:9, Exod.21:15)
• Women who are not virgins on their wedding night (Deut.22:13-21)
• All non-Christians (parable told by Christ - Luke.19:27)
• Those accused of wickedness by at least two people (Deut.17:2-7)
• Anyone who works on the Sabbath (Exod.35:2-3, Num.15:32-6) (not even to kindle a fire, and no exclusion for ambulance drivers)

Women

• It is shameful for a woman to speak in church (1Cor.14:34-5)
• A man must OK his wife´s words if they are to have force (Num.30:8)
• A woman must not teach or hold authority over a man (1Tim.2:12)
• Lot saves the messengers from the men of Sodom by offering up his virgin daughters to ´do to them as you please´ (Gen.19:8) Kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man (Moses - Num.31:17-8)

Slavery

• God supports slavery (Lev.25:44-6, Exod.21:2-8, Eph.6:5, Col.3:22)
• Instructions on how to sell your daughter as a slave (Exod.21:7-8)
• When to give your slaves severe or light beatings (Luke.12:42-8)
• OK to beat slaves only if they don´t die within 2 days (Exod.21:20-1)
• How to mark your slave: drive an awl through its ear (Deut.15:17)

Marriage

• It´s best if all people remain unmarried. Marriage is a lesser-of-two-evils compromise for Christians too weak to resist their sexual urges, for it is better to marry than to burn. (Paul - 1Cor.7:1-2, 8-9, 25-6, 38)
• The rapist of an unwed woman must buy her and make her his wife (apparently a far more 'holy' union than a genuine, loving same-sex relationship) - Deut.22:28-9

Justice

• If a man suspects his wife of cheating he can serve her a cursed drink; if she becomes deformed, then that proves her guilt (Num.5:12-31)
• 42 children killed by bears for calling a prophet baldy (2King.2:23-4)
• OK to beat your children with a rod - it won't kill them (Prov.23:13-4)
• God commits, orders, or endorses every form of atrocity known to man (pretty much pick a page of the Old Testament at random)

Do the Old Testament laws still apply?

• Every jot and tittle (Christ Matt.5:17-9)

Christ, what a role model!

• Christ tells us we must hate our entire family, and even our own life, if we want to be one of His disciples (Luke.14:26)
• Those who abandon their families will be rewarded (Matt.19:29)
• ´For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.´ (Christ - Matt.10:35-6)
• I came not to send peace, but a sword (Christ - Matt.10:34)
• If you don´t have a sword, sell your clothes to buy one (Luke.22:36)
• Curses fig tree for not bearing fruit in off-season (Mark.11:12-4, 20-1)
• Didn´t want to help girl because she was a ´dog´ gentile (Matt.15:22-8)

Look, I am not defending Christianity, however Christians have moved on. The church now accepts gay people and is quite happy to turn a blind eye to couples living together out of marriage. The list goes on and on. Islam is still primitive and a way of life, whereas Christianity is only a part of someone's life. Of course many people have been killed under the flag of Christianity, however that was thousands of years ago and we have moved on since then. It's a bit like condemning modern day Germans for what happened in the 2nd world war. Regrettably Islam is followed primarily by nations that breed savages, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan etc. This leads me to believe that unlike Christians they will continue to murder innocent people for many years to come.

[CAGAN]

Bloody extremists atheists coming into OUR COUNTRY, taking OUR JOBS and THREATENING OUR CULTURE! Do you know that atheists have children!??? Which means in the futuire there will be even more atheists.

CAN NOBDOY ELSE SEE THAT IT IS AN ATHEIST CONSPIRACY TO TAKE OVER BRITAIN!?

ATHEISTS think for themselves and want to get rid of the tradition of God's law and replace it with their 'own laws' completely destroying our way of life. We cannot stand by while NULAB and the conservatives allow this atheist failed experiment with our culture to continue

Of course, your post was tong in cheak. I don't actually care who follows what religion as long as people don't get hurt in the name of it or it doesn't change the culture of my environment. Islam is guilty of both.