Look away now if you're a bleeding heart liberal

[newspresenter]

Oh my word, i don't know how to break it to you. Now its just a claim, so theres no need to panic, but a white skinned ball-boy has claimed a black footballer was racist towards him.
The Press Association: Diouf police probe continues

[DTE]

Surely the fact this has been reported goes against your usual conspiracy theories regarding the suppression of black on white racism by the global leftist conspiracy network?

[DougieG]

Surely the fact this has been reported goes against your usual conspiracy theories regarding the suppression of black on white racism by the global leftist conspiracy network?

This.


Why do you think we don't believe that blacks can be racist?

[D.P.R]

Oh my word, i don't know how to break it to you. Now its just a claim, so theres no need to panic, but a white skinned ball-boy has claimed a black footballer was racist towards him.
The Press Association: Diouf police probe continues

But after centuries of colonialism and slavery what do you expect? Poor Diouf is only expressing the anger and frustration that all black people feel against the white oppressor. Why, that working class ball boys ancestors probably enslaved Dioufs, and they're probably all racist anyway.

Case dismissed by the liberal establishment.

(Oh, but wait, it was a white liberal child called Tarquin on his way to an ethnomusicology lecture at university that was racially abused? Well, this time those n*****s have gone too far...)

[DougieG]

But after centuries of colonialism and slavery what do you expect? Poor Diouf is only expressing the anger and frustration that all black people feel against the white oppressor. Why, that working class ball boys ancestors probably enslaved Dioufs, and they're probably all racist anyway.

Case dismissed by the liberal establishment.

(Oh, but wait, it was a white liberal child called Tarquin on his way to an ethnomusicology lecture at university that was racially abused? Well, this time those n*****s have gone too far...)

I love the idiocy of your strawman arguments. Still, if it makes your hatred of other races feel more justified to you...

[newspresenter]

Surely the fact this has been reported goes against your usual conspiracy theories regarding the suppression of black on white racism by the global leftist conspiracy network?

conspiracy theories?

[newspresenter]

But after centuries of colonialism and slavery what do you expect? Poor Diouf is only expressing the anger and frustration that all black people feel against the white oppressor. Why, that working class ball boys ancestors probably enslaved Dioufs, and they're probably all racist anyway.

Case dismissed by the liberal establishment.

(Oh, but wait, it was a white liberal child called Tarquin on his way to an ethnomusicology lecture at university that was racially abused? Well, this time those n*****s have gone too far...)

The white man gave the black man a great job, and thats after his people enslaved white people before we enslaved his.

Maybe the white man learnt how to enslave the black from how they did it?

[fubar]

The white man gave the black man a great job, and thats after his people enslaved white people before we enslaved his.

Quite true people seem to forget or choose to forget Egypt had slaves long before the English infact in Africa it was Big business
we have to bear in mind the human body was only Really a machine thats how things got done the only way the slave trade ended was when the industrial revolution came along I,e bigger an more efficent machine

Maybe the white man learnt how to enslave the black from how they did it?

Very true Africans sold slaves to the english by the thousands in the belief that thay would get a chance to improve there life in the end it was the English who stoped the slave trade (don't forget Spain,France and not least the Germans were involved so were the Dutch)It was a world wide trade. We seem to carry the responsibility for the whole dam thing

And yes suprise suprise blacks can be racist

[newspresenter]

I was referring to the north African muslims who enslaved more than 1 million white european christians before any white man enslaved someone When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed

Why don't lental soup eating teachers tell our children this?

[DougieG]

I was referring to the north African muslims who enslaved more than 1 million white european christians before any white man enslaved someone When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed

Why don't lental soup eating teachers tell our children this?

To be fair I have several history qualifications and in my 7 years of history I did around an hour on slavery, if that. In fact, it was never part of any exam that I did. You're basically just prejudiced and want to believe that black people are all stupid violent animals so that you can pin all of society's problems on them when in fact practically all of our issues are created by human problems - apathy, stupidity and bigotry.

[newspresenter]

To be fair I have several history qualifications and in my 7 years of history I did around an hour on slavery, if that. In fact, it was never part of any exam that I did. You're basically just prejudiced and want to believe that black people are all stupid violent animals so that you can pin all of society's problems on them when in fact practically all of our issues are created by human problems - apathy, stupidity and bigotry.

I don't hold the same level of hatred in my mind that you do. I couldn't cope with the hatred you come out with.

Every single item of slavery our government spew out is that white people enslaved black people, they're the monsters, and have as much hatred in their minds as you seem to have.

Grow some plants dougee.

[DougieG]

I don't hold the same level of hatred in my mind that you do. I couldn't cope with the hatred you come out with.

Every single item of slavery our government spew out is that white people enslaved black people, they're the monsters, and have as much hatred in their minds as you seem to have.

Grow some plants dougee.

hatred? I have a general distaste for those who feel they have to belittle minorities in order to make themselves feel good. You may be on the receiving end of that, but I think you were probably misguided at some point in your life. Not hatred, just a degree of dislike.

[newspresenter]

hatred? I have a general distaste for those who feel they have to belittle minorities in order to make themselves feel good. You may be on the receiving end of that, but I think you were probably misguided at some point in your life. Not hatred, just a degree of dislike.

Are you referring to me or talking about yourself in that post?

[DougieG]

Are you referring to me or talking about yourself in that post?

I think it was obvious which parts referred to each of us.

[newspresenter]

I think it was obvious which parts referred to each of us.

Why do you think its obvious?

[Kiwi 1691]

Why do you think its obvious?

Where he used the words "you" and "I" make it rather clear who Dougie is talking about.

[newspresenter]

Where he used the words "you" and "I" make it rather clear who Dougie is talking about.

Giving his opinion of who i am is about as useful as a pair of glasses on a bloke who has no ears.

[DougieG]

Giving his opinion of who i am is about as useful as a pair of glasses on a bloke who has no ears.

Pretty accurately sums up your descriptions of 'liberals' and the 'far left'. I thought I would return the favour, since you so enjoy dishing out ridiculous judgments of other people.

[newspresenter]

Pretty accurately sums up your descriptions of 'liberals' and the 'far left'. I thought I would return the favour, since you so enjoy dishing out ridiculous judgments of other people.

The irony of that comment explains your far left fascist attitude.

[DougieG]

The irony of that comment explains your far left fascist attitude.

Well seeing as I advocate freedom of movement between countries, freedom of the press, freedom from oppression and freedom of religion I'm not entirely sure how my views can be classed as fascist. Unless, of course, free healthcare is fascist. Or is perhaps giving children an equal opportunity to education fascist? Maybe the fascist part of my ideology is the bit where I advocate numerous checks and balances against all levels and aspects of government, and despise dictators in all their forms?

Honestly, I've met children with a better grasp of what fascism is.

[angelcountry]

Well seeing as I advocate freedom of movement between countries, freedom of the press, freedom from oppression and freedom of religion I'm not entirely sure how my views can be classed as fascist. Unless, of course, free healthcare is fascist. Or is perhaps giving children an equal opportunity to education fascist? Maybe the fascist part of my ideology is the bit where I advocate numerous checks and balances against all levels and aspects of government, and despise dictators in all their forms?

Honestly, I've met children with a better grasp of what fascism is.

No case to answer, the better will choose credible public servant in our administrative section the more peaceful a country will be by riding objective bias and targetting people, no case to answer on that, so read the handbook of 2005, there is no place to hide again in this application you can fool people but not all the time or prudently forever, am sorry your desire can not be achieve get over it and move on.

[newspresenter]

Well seeing as I advocate freedom of movement between countries, freedom of the press, freedom from oppression and freedom of religion I'm not entirely sure how my views can be classed as fascist.

Honestly, I've met children with a better grasp of what fascism is.

You have intolerant views, thus you're a fascist. A child could work that out.

[JacquesMagique]

You have intolerant views, thus you're a fascist. A child could work that out.

you mean a child could incorrectly draw that false conclusion?

[newspresenter]

you mean a child could incorrectly draw that false conclusion?

False conclusion?

[DougieG]

False conclusion?

That I am in any way, shape or form a fascist...

I have no time for parties with even the slightest undercurrent of Nazism, fascism or what have you. NO members of the Tory or Labour party have ever been in the NF or Nazi party, whereas many people in the BNP have. How does that not suggest anything to you?

[newspresenter]

That I am in any way, shape or form a fascist...

You have intolerant views, therefore you're a fascist.

[JacquesMagique]

You have intolerant views, therefore you're a fascist.

Fairly sure that's not how it works,

[Fisherman]

Guys (guyesses) racism exists. Live with it or oppose it, your choice.

[newspresenter]

Fairly sure that's not how it works,

AskOxford: fascism

Its a good job you didn't say totally sure

[DougieG]

Right... extreme right wing, intolerant and authoritarian. Since I'm a left wing liberal person in favour of multiculturalism I'd say that I and most other people here really don't fit that bill particularly.

[JacquesMagique]

AskOxford: fascism

Its a good job you didn't say totally sure

Ohhhhhhhh you meant the childish playground insult version? fair enough.

[newspresenter]

Right... extreme right wing, intolerant and authoritarian. Since I'm a left wing liberal person in favour of multiculturalism I'd say that I and most other people here really don't fit that bill particularly.

Don't you have intolerant views? Think hard. Must be someone or something out there for which you have intolerance for, its IMPOSSIBLE not to, all 6+ billion of us have.

You're a fascist, we all are, get used to it, its ok.

[newspresenter]

Ohhhhhhhh you meant the childish playground insult version? fair enough.

You far left nazi fascists can't bare to be exposed can you. You've had such a brainwashing monopoloy over the masses over the years that you thought you wrote the rule book.

Lefty nazis, OFF OUR STREETS!

[JacquesMagique]

You far left nazi fascists can't bare to be exposed can you. You've had such a brainwashing monopoloy over the masses over the years that you thought you wrote the rule book.

Lefty nazis, OFF OUR STREETS!

Wow thats a really well thought out argument you've got there.

[DC]

Hey, woah, is somebody besmirching the fascisma?

[LA]

Right... extreme right wing, intolerant and authoritarian. Since I'm a left wing liberal person in favour of multiculturalism I'd say that I and most other people here really don't fit that bill particularly.

• noun 1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. 2 extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.





But seriously Newpresenter, DougieG is not a fascist. I have worked for many years to ensure the success of fascism and I am not going to tolerate any view or practise which puts that success at risk! Do I make my very nationalistic and authoritarian self clear?

[newspresenter]

Newpresenter, DougieG is not a fascist.

AskOxford say he is, are they lying?

[DougieG]

AskOxford say he is, are they lying?

No they don't, NP

Your ridiculous interpretation of AskOxford wants me to be one.

There's quite a significant difference.

[LA]

Dougie, where NP is coming from is that as you are intolerant to other views, you are fascist. Arguably making you fascist.

[DougieG]

Dougie, where NP is coming from is that as you are intolerant to other views, you are fascist. Arguably making you fascist.

I'm no more intolerant of other views than anyone else here. In fact, I'd say that I am much more compromising between conservatism and socialism than most people.

[newspresenter]

No they don't, NP

Your ridiculous interpretation of AskOxford wants me to be one.

There's quite a significant difference.

I can't make head na tail of the above. Should "no they don't", be no they aren't?

I didn't interpret anything, i used their own words.

[newspresenter]

I'm no more intolerant of other views than anyone else here. In fact, I'd say that I am much more compromising between conservatism and socialism than most people.

So thus, are there levels of intolerant fascism? Do you admit then, that you're a little bit of a fascist?

[DougieG]

I can't make head na tail of the above. Should "no they don't", be no they aren't?

I didn't interpret anything, i used their own words.

In that case, go back to school. My reply wasn't even slightly difficult to understand.

And yes you are interpreting. Of course you are 'using their own words' but you are interpreting those words to mean what you want them to.

So thus, are there levels of intolerant fascism? Do you admit then, that you're a little bit of a fascist?

No, because you believe that fascism and intolerance are utterly synonymous, which is clearly stupid because fascism is a political belief. You may as well say that I am a little bit of a communist because I believe in globalism. Or you could say I am a little bit of a conservative because I support aspects of a free market system. Or you could say I am a bit of a Nazi because I don't like religion very much.

Although all of these are comparisons, they are clearly unhelpful ones because I am a mild socialist, regardless of whether I support tiny aspects of those other ideologies. If you can't understand this, then I again tell you to go get some re-education.

[DC]

For example I'm a fascist and a very tolerant person. And I'm even being serious. What is a fascist ideal is the suppression of a particular political ideology, which the UAF, despite being left, is guilty of.

[newspresenter]

fascism is a political belief.

And one mans political belief is another's intolerance

You may as well say that I am a little bit of a communist because I believe in globalism. Or you could say I am a little bit of a conservative because I support aspects of a free market system. Or you could say I am a bit of a Nazi because I don't like religion very much.

So you're 100% fascist then

Although all of these are comparisons, they are clearly unhelpful ones because I am a mild socialist

So you're 100% intolerant of those who're 100% against socialism?


In the week when NG will appear on QT, the media are creating a frenzied attack on the BNP, hence this BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What is a fascist?

But interestingly, note:
"Frustratingly, I can't give a simple definition," says Kevin Passmore, reader in history at Cardiff University and author of Fascism: A Very Short Introduction. "It depends on definitions."
If your definition of "fascist" is someone who holds beliefs that can be categorised as "fascism", the terms fascism still needs to be defined."

"But the clearest problem in the definition of the word "fascist" is the very wideness of its application over the years. There is a plethora of uses from Rick in the Young Ones deploying it as an insult, to the Oxford English Dictionary's differing definitions "(loosely) a person of right-wing authoritarian views" and "a person who advocates a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner perceived as intolerant or authoritarian". So you have "body fascism"."


In this modern age, when we can either send people to the moon or make billions believe so, we can't absolutely define a word. Maybe the monsters that rule the world wana keep it up in the air so that they can use one to suit?

[DougieG]

And one mans political belief is another's intolerance

No, sorry. I may think many things about moderate conservatives, but one thing they are not is intolerant.

So you're 100% fascist then

No, 0/2 so far.

So you're 100% intolerant of those who're 100% against socialism?

No, that's not intolerance. That's disagreement. Intolerance would involve me advocating locking up and silencing people who didn't agree with me. 0/3

In the week when NG will appear on QT, the media are creating a frenzied attack on the BNP, hence this BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What is a fascist?

What, indeed, is a fascist?

But interestingly, note:
"Frustratingly, I can't give a simple definition," says Kevin Passmore, reader in history at Cardiff University and author of Fascism: A Very Short Introduction. "It depends on definitions."
If your definition of "fascist" is someone who holds beliefs that can be categorised as "fascism", the terms fascism still needs to be defined."

True, it does. Nothing groundbreaking so far. 1/4

"But the clearest problem in the definition of the word "fascist" is the very wideness of its application over the years. There is a plethora of uses from Rick in the Young Ones deploying it as an insult, to the Oxford English Dictionary's differing definitions "(loosely) a person of right-wing authoritarian views" and "a person who advocates a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner perceived as intolerant or authoritarian". So you have "body fascism"."

Note that the first view involves extreme right wing tendencies. Now, we've established that I'm not intolerant (seemingly another word you're unable to understand) and I'm certainly not right wing. 1/5

In this modern age, when we can either send people to the moon or make billions believe so, we can't absolutely define a word. Maybe the monsters that rule the world wana keep it up in the air so that they can use one to suit?

Monsters? Interesting description. Especially coming from someone who wants to separate ethnicities and openly supports the BNP, a party led by a man who has previously denied the holocaust and supported the NF and the Nazi party. 1/6

1/6 is a U. You really ought to try harder.

[newspresenter]

No, sorry. I may think many things about moderate conservatives, but one thing they are not is intolerant.

So you tolerate them? Do we have to go around in circles.

No, 0/2 so far.

Aren't you intolerant of anything now?

No, that's not intolerance. That's disagreement. Intolerance would involve me advocating locking up and silencing people who didn't agree with me. 0/3

ner mate, you simply only have to dislike it, not wana be part of it, intolerance of it.

What, indeed, is a fascist?

Many things apparently, AskOxford.com

Note that the first view involves extreme right wing tendencies. Now, we've established that I'm not intolerant

So you tolerate the BNP, if yes, do you tolerate murderers? I think you have intolerant views of some description or other.

(seemingly another word you're unable to understand) and I'm certainly not right wing.

Who gets to decide without come back, whether you're right wing or not?

Monsters?

Only a monster would inflict such nasty policies onto others.

Especially coming from someone who wants to separate ethnicities

Its a better option than the multicultural experimental hellhole.

You really ought to try harder.

Im very good. I let you catch up to give you more confidence.

[DougieG]

So you tolerate them? Do we have to go around in circles.

Yes I tolerate conservatives. What a stupid question.

Aren't you intolerant of anything now?

I'm intolerant of stupidity.

ner mate, you simply only have to dislike it, not wana be part of it, intolerance of it.

No, sorry, that's incorrect. Not that that sentence makes any sense anyway. Not wanting to be a part of something does not indicate intolerance of it. I'm not a member of Save the Children (you can't be a member of every charity...) does that make me intolerant of it? Of course not.

Many things apparently, AskOxford.com

You are only using the second definition, which in a dictionary indicates the lesser used version.

Tolerate:
• verb 1 allow (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) to exist or occur without interference. 2 patiently endure (something unpleasant). 3 be capable of continued exposure to (a drug, toxin, etc.) without adverse reaction.

See number 1, which is the most relevant. Now I don't challenge the existence of other points of view, though I may disagree with them. Intolerance involves actively trying to prevent the existence of something.

So you tolerate the BNP, if yes, do you tolerate murderers? I think you have intolerant views of some description or other.

I don't try to destroy their existence. So yes I do tolerate the BNP. Noone tolerates murderers.

Who gets to decide without come back, whether you're right wing or not?

I do. They're my views and you clearly don't understand political ideology so your input is not needed thank you.

Only a monster would inflict such nasty policies onto others.

I think equal racial rights is quite a nice policy. Certainly not 'nasty'. Misguided, maybe, if that's your point of view.

Its a better option than the multicultural experimental hellhole.

Maybe if you're a racist.

Im very good. I let you catch up to give you more confidence.

You are by no stretch of the imagination a good debater, NP. You've convoluted this discussion into a simple question of semantics where you don't even understand the basic meaning of a simple word like tolerance.

Get this into your head: Fascism IS NOT synonymous (look that word up and don't make a stupid comment about speaking English) with the word intolerance. They do not equal the same thing. They do not have the same definition. Fascism =/= intolerance. Intolerance is not automatically fascism. Its a stupid assumption to make. Locking up murderers is not fascist in that they are dangerous to society so it has to be done for protection. Intolerant is entirely the wrong word to use in the context of this debate. You don't understand it. Now, again, go and read a book, broaden your horizons and learn about things rather than spewing out the same ignorant, ill-informed statements over and over again. Seriously. Read a textbook or something.

[Midas]

Hasn't this gone somewhat off topic??

[DougieG]

Hasn't this gone somewhat off topic??

Yes, quite significantly. But I feel that NP needs to be set straight on one or two things