Oh XXXX
I'm quite convinced that you type wearing a foil hat and believe that aliens make the sandwiches in your lunchbox turn green after a week
This is a discussion on Racist Labour refuse to acknowledge the ethnic English - again! within the Racism Forum forums, part of the Coffee Room category; What seems like yonks ago, a petition to 10 Drowning Street asked for a tick box in the 2011 Census ...
What seems like yonks ago, a petition to 10 Drowning Street asked for a tick box in the 2011 Census form for the ethnic English.
Their response answer was the usual anti-English racist spin:
"Anyone who wants to record their identity as ‘English’ in the 2011 Census can do so in two ways: the national identity question, which is a new question for 2011, has a tick box for ‘English’; the ethnic group question has a tick box labelled ‘English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/British’ but also provides the opportunity to write in ‘English’ if this is preferred."
English-tick-box - epetition response | Number10.gov.uk
The English, like all nationalities should not have to be lumped together, notice that its a collective british thing, no, the ethnic English deserve to be recognised independently. I don't wana write it either, i wana tick it, im English and this is England.
There seems little the English can do about this now, even when a Parliamentary elected official (Nick Griffin) makes this point to 8 million tv viewers, nothing is done.
Have the English got to march down to 10 Drowning Street and demand ethnic recognition, are racist Labour trying to demonise the English, is it political genocide in the making?
Yes, they've given us a national indentity tick option, but that is not the same thing.
Last edited by Opinionated; 26-02-2010 at 04:38 PM.
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
Oh XXXX
I'm quite convinced that you type wearing a foil hat and believe that aliens make the sandwiches in your lunchbox turn green after a week
Last edited by Opinionated; 24-02-2010 at 04:26 PM.
Why don't you support the human right of the ethnic English to be recognised?
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
Seems pretty clear to me."Anyone who wants to record their identity as ‘English’ in the 2011 Census can do so in two ways: the national identity question, which is a new question for 2011, has a tick box for ‘English’; the ethnic group question has a tick box labelled ‘English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/British’ but also provides the opportunity to write in ‘English’ if this is preferred."
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
The tick box is a catch all, Newspresenter wants one specifically for the English.
Would he also support scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and Cornish specific Tick Boxes??
Given the increasingly seperate nature of the UK it would appear to make some sense, perhaps they could have a tick box for the welsh, scottish.N Irish and Cornish, the English could have a regions specific Tick box.
I would like to be able to tick the YORKSHIRE Best Bastard County int land tick box!!!
I think the evil people who think a rose is red should have a tick box for "Lancashire, we cheat at cricket"!!!
I think theres a world of difference between the ethnic English as a group of people, and the other things you mentioned.
How many ethnic English people live in their home land of England?
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
I'm not 'ethnically English' and nor are you or anyone else in all probability. My ancestry is all British, but a mix of Welsh, Scottish and English. What on earth is the point of a separate tick box for each? It would waste ink and paper and you might as well have a question about eye colour for all the relevance it has to anything.
Use your common sense. You don't (presumably) walk down the street and say 'that person is Irish, that person is English, that person is Scottish'.
A) Who cares?
B) It wastes resources.
C) Who ACTUALLY cares?
Actually Dougie, if you've ever seen any composite photographs of perhaps a hundred or more men or women from different racial backgrounds where there's been no dilution by people from another country for at least 3 generations, you can very easily distinguish between English, Scottish, Irish, French, German etc. It stands out quite remarkably. I did have a link to some of those photos at one time but can't find it; I'll have another look and if I can locate it, I'll post it here. You'll be surprised.
"High taxes don't redistribute wealth; they redistribute taxpayers" -- Arthur Laffer
The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.
The fascists are always whining about being discriminated against. It's quite simple, if the fascists dont want to be descriminated against, they should stop discriminating against others.
To 'Curry' favour with George 1, a hanovarian Kraut English King, who spoke no English and hated the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish, Daniel Defoe wrote a poem:
" A true born Englishman a contradiction
In speech an irony in fact a fiction
The Pict the painted Briton and treacherous Scot ......
I give you this 18c Racism to show that nothing changes - racism is a part of History as long as there is money in naying or yaying. And your all trying to cash in.
Racism refers to "White people". Now you know what "Make racism history" really means - White genocide: Mixed-Race SUPREMACISM now 'cool'...
If they put 'English' they'd have to split up Ireland, Wales and Scotland too. And probably Cornwall. It just doesn't matter and it would be wasteful. I wouldn't know what to put. Mixed race? I'm half Scottish half English. Mixed race certainly wouldn't describe me, I'm pretty obviously very very Caucasian. It would throw the mixed race statistics too and upset all the mental people in the BNP who think mixed race marriages are evil.
You're not a dictator, therefore you cannot decide whether i or anyone else is ethnically English.
Recognition, and it would be interesting to know what the percentage is considering this is England.What on earth is the point of a separate tick box for each?
True, you can see the similarity importance...It would waste ink and paper and you might as well have a question about eye colour for all the relevance it has to anything.
I need you to teach me heheUse your common sense.
The ethnic English care, enough that they felt desperate enough to ask our racist Prime Minister.Who ACTUALLY cares?
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/images/charts/273.gif
National Statistics Online
If you are ethnically half-English, half-Scots, you are still of the same major race and so clearly not mixed race in that sense. Ethnically you might claim to be mixed but I imagine like most, you have been raised as one more than the other in regards to the cultural component of "ethnicity".
Look at the "Black" section above. It is broken down, but "White" is just "White". White is not an ethnicity, it is a major racial grouping. Can't you see that the table above is inconsistent?
I see no fair reason why the White section should be denied what the Black section has eg.:
White English
White Scots
White Welsh
White Irish
White Other
You could opt for "White Other" if its a struggle working your own out.
Let's cut to the chase.
Bottom line here as we all know, is keep whitey "white" as a group. Do NOT recognise any white ethnicities because then they would move from "racist" status to "ethnic" status (remember racist - bad, ethnic - good) and suddenly start pointing out that perhaps, just perhaps, white ethnic groups have a right to be recognised too and yes, even have their own advocates, shock horror, just as all the non-white ethnic groups do.
Racism refers to "White people". Now you know what "Make racism history" really means - White genocide: Mixed-Race SUPREMACISM now 'cool'...
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
Perhaps this post was unfortunately ill phrased. As my children are Jewish and, coming through me, to hurt my children would not be wise. Historically Jewish people are not supine, but they were led to the Nazi slaughterhouses by their leaders, the Rabbi's who told them they should obey the Nazi state laws. The lesson, costly learned, was never to listen to Religious teachers when it comes to Politics.
This is a lesson the Middle East will learn also, political Freedon cannot be sacrifaced to misguided clerics, unless at a terrible price to individuals and families. The people of Iran want their political freedom from religion and are paying a dreadful price. Thousands of illegal hangings, unlawful incarceration, hideous brutality and the denial of true pastoral care.
Resolve the problem altogether, have no question asking for a person to Identify his or her race or ethnic backgrounds, unless as i said it is askin which county you come from, but leave out lancashire, they cheat at cricket.
It is as i have said before irrelivant and divisive to ask what race a person considers themselves to be, why do we need to know? Are extra benefits being given to Britons of differing ethnic groups???
Ah so, the cult of controversy in the black art of politics, having lured people from their domicile as cheap labour into economic slavery, they can never politically admit to the electorate that, when there is no longer a demand for low paid workers, that they will not be able repatriate them.
Hence all the phony race censor questions.
What? I realy do not get the jist of the gibberish you just posted nor do I see how it relates to my opinion that asking what race a person consideres him/herself to be is in fact an excercise in idiocy, it makes no difference unless there is a specific reason for asking.I believe that there is a specific reason, the reason is divide and conquor.The biggest cause of Racism in the UK today is Government policy, it is divisive it is racist and it is designed to cause fracture and division.It is a Nulab thing.
There is no "English" ethnic group, if you were born in England, you are English. No matter if you are black, white, Asian, Pi etc.
Why can't Jesus eat M&Ms?
Because they keep falling through the holes in his hands!
Jesus may love you, but he won't respect you in the morning.
Wrong. And I'm tired of reading this rubbish, because I know denying the English their identity is the first step in Nulab's ethnocide of it. Bloody disgusting.
The English exist as an ethnic group and nation. Here in black and white:
"The English (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England, who speak English."
English people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Racism refers to "White people". Now you know what "Make racism history" really means - White genocide: Mixed-Race SUPREMACISM now 'cool'...
Why can't Jesus eat M&Ms?
Because they keep falling through the holes in his hands!
Jesus may love you, but he won't respect you in the morning.
Ethnicity is not tied to physical location. For instance, Joanna Lumley was born in India, in fact she has generations from India but no sane person would describe her has ethnically Indian.
Yes you probably should presume that. It will help you maintain your prejudice in the face of lost arguments.You call yourself a nationalist, should I presume you are an idiot. As most nationalists are idiots.
Racism refers to "White people". Now you know what "Make racism history" really means - White genocide: Mixed-Race SUPREMACISM now 'cool'...
I agree with Pauli (sort of) there really isn't any need to ask anyone their ethnic origin, it is indeed irrelevant and divisive.
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
I am not sure about the significance of this thread, nor why it has lumbered along for so long.
I do not understand why there should be a statistical differentiation between those from the Indian sub-continent. Before 1947 Pakistan and Bangladash didn't exist as separate entities, being included within the country of India. I am therefore puzzled as to why they should be statistically separated by the ONS.
However having bothered to do so I do not understand why 'Whites' should not also be statistically segregated. I would have thought that the Scots or Welsh are as as entitled to be statistically recognised as Pakistanis or Bangladashis are, perhaps more so since their nationality has existed far longer than a little over sixty years.
If the objective by the ONS was to identify ethnic types 'whites' would perhaps suffice, but then so too would 'asians' 'orientals' and 'africans'. That said I don't really see any great reason to have strong opinions one way or the other about it! or am I missing something?
My guess would be that they are used to chart immigration and how quickly certain populations multiply compared to others perhaps from the same race but from different areas. But on a general scale I quite agree, simple racial groups would be quite adequate for most purposes. Most of us don't have strong views, personally I just don't see the point in having separate British categories whereas NP does.
Still irrelivant, I i was to claim that the UK was 33% castrated sodomite chimpanzees it would make no difference either, or would they also be asked their ethicity on the census?
Is faith relevant here? I thought we were talking about race and the census not which religon is most prevalent in the UK, Who has claimed that the UK is 90% black Moslem, can we see some evidence to support this claim?
I know i never made that claim, i note how you respond with personal attacks against me again rather than offering any actual opinions, I am not an Idiot and i never made such a claim.
This is exactly the kind of racism thats deemed ok in today's society, its deemed ok to demonise those who believe in their English ethnicity.
Flip it over, would far left racists claim the Aboriginies are not an ethnic race seperate of those who were born in Austrailia and are not brown skinned and have facial etc charateristics? No, they would be celebrated for their ethnic segregated racial make-up.
Racist Labour - OFF OUR STREETS!
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none." Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
Still waiting for the evidence to support your claim that I (the Idiot, as you called me) claimed that 90% of the UK population are Black Moslems.
Do post it soonest Dougie or people will see you in your true light.
Where did I say that YOU said that anywhere? I was backing up your point of view, saying that that was the only possible use I could think of for those statistics that you also dismissed. It was a humorous jibe.
EDIT: I see where you didn't quite understand. You must have misreadasidiots'and assumed that the singular person implied in the latter was yourself. I recommend the Oxford Book of Grammar.idiot's
Jaques stated " I agree with Pauli on this one" and explained why, it was divisive etc.
You answered in favour of race questioning and stated " it would counter the Idiots claim that the UK was 90% black moslem" This is such an obvious attack on me(given your history of such) and of insisting that i had said things that hadnt been said( there are several occasions you have done this and usually you use your Mod status to silence me when i mention it), it is obvious to any what your intention was, you cannot worm out of it now.
Perfectly clear, even after your Editing.
Editing? I haven't touched it. Even I can't remove the little thing at the bottom that says 'edited by' and you'll notice that there isn't one on that post. Your quote of the post has missed out the apostrophe that entirely changes the meaning of the sentence.
I answered against race questioning, saying that the only possible use was to 'counter the Idiots' claims that the UK is 90% Black Muslim'. This means idiots plural, with the apostrophe denoting ownership of the phrase. The plural therefore implies that I am not addressing the point to any individual, it was rather a general sweep at idiot BNP types rather than idiot ignorant-of-grammar types. If I had written: 'counter the Idiot's claims that the UK is 90% Black Muslim', that would have been idiot singular with possessive apostrophe and the grammar of the phrase would have meant that I was directing it towards you.
I expect a full apology for your claims. If you want to continue this then I am happy to move the relevant posts to The Other Place.
EDIT: I have never used my mod status to 'silence' you either. Whenever you have been banned it has been unanimously, so even if I had voted against banning you then you still would have been. Nor have I ever permanently deleted posts though your paranoia means that you won't believe me.
Enough of the bickering now gentlemen, we all know where this leads.
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as you know Pauli, Dougie has agreed to only consult in mod matters relating to your membership, if you have a problem please express it by PM to either Midas or myself, freeing up the threads for their actual purpose ie debate.
"The object of universities is not to make skilful lawyers, physicians or engineers. It is to make capable and cultivated human beings." John Stewart Mill
Every time i show your true nature when you make up false allegations of me saying things that were never said you use your mod status to silence me by deleting and locking the thread.
On other occasions YOU have given active encouragement to TETE in his personal attacks against me, then jumped in with infractions ETC when i responded(in a far milder manner than did TETE) but then again TETE used his Mod Status to support your personal attacks when he was a Mod and you were not, so i guess its a case of the right hand washes the left?
You know what you said and you Doctored up your claim, you know and I know the depth of your malice, given your History of personal attacks and dishonest claims/ accusations.
But you ignore any insults directed against me, particulary the ignoring of TETEs recent attacks completed with encouragment from all the Mods(Tete was a former mod, guess it stands for something), I think i remember Dougie offering Thanks to tete for some of the very personal attacks he made.
EG if i had called any member a FAT **** on the forum i would have been immideatly banned, tete got thanked, Double standard?
Bullying?
Like i said it is OK for personal attacks to be made if the attacker is a buddy of a Mod, or attacking me.
Gets out the popcorn and sits back!!![]()
Or you could report posts by me and your MOD mates will get on and act like there was an actual valid reason for it.......Then Ban me, But definatly NOT TETE, He is allowed to use the Language and abuse/threats and lies that he is famed for because he is Pals with all the Mods, therefore he can call me a Fat ****, and alcoholic, retard and so on and so forth with immunity from action, however I can be banned for reporting those posts.Definatly no Moderation double standard here!!!(Hit report now and see how soon I am Banned, the truth Is of course No defense)!!!
Pauli, this is a final, and public, warning to drop this subject once and for all. You have been warned several times, both in this and other threads, to do so, yet you keep persisting. No more, OK, otherwise you'll face the inevitable consequence of a ban yet again, this time for a much longer period.
"High taxes don't redistribute wealth; they redistribute taxpayers" -- Arthur Laffer
I would love to dicuss the topic of how I believe that Race questions should not be allowed on Census documents, Job applications or other forms people are required to fill in.However as somehow my opinion on the subject is not acceptable to some, I will mention it no more.
Even though( at a huge risk here now) RACE IS IRRELIVANT, TO JOBS, TO WELFARE, TO HEALTHCARE and TO ALL OTHER ASPECTS OF CONTROLL IMPOSED ON THE UK PEOPLE BY THE DEMONIC NULAB REGIME!!
"The object of universities is not to make skilful lawyers, physicians or engineers. It is to make capable and cultivated human beings." John Stewart Mill
Where did I make one single attack on this thread.Where did I once initiate any negative or attacking trends on ANY thread?
I respond to attacks or Abusive insults diected at me, yes but i guess they are OK(Note I am responding to your false and public claim that I make attacks on people).This time for example it was a Moderator who called me an Idiot, but i guess that is OK, what is unacceptable is for me to question that abusive Insulting language, is that the rule?
Pauli Must be attacked and subjected to abusive insulting posts.He may not reply to them or report them, Keep at him until we provoke a response and then Ban him?Is that the new rule on these boards?
The actual use of race questioning on ALL documents (including Census documents) is relevant to the subject in this thread or are you now narrowing down to the most specific points of relevance, for example only Ethnic english may be mentioned on this thread, not all ethnicities?
Any post with more than the exact words of the title in them may now be considered Off topic?
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