The right wing BBC, stirring up racism?

[Neo2012]

Evan Davis presents a programme exploring the effects of immigration in the UK by focusing on Wisbech, a town in Cambridgeshire.
Since 2004 this once prosperous market town has received up to 9,000 immigrants seeking work - the majority from Eastern Europe. But with nearly 2,000 locals unemployed and claiming benefits, many of them blame the foreign workers for their predicament.

To test if the town needs so many foreign workers, immigrant employees are temporarily removed from their jobs, and the work given to the local unemployed. Now the town's British workers have a chance to prove they can do it. Eleven British unemployed workers are recruited to go into a range of different Wisbech workplaces including a potato company, an asparagus farm, an Indian restaurant and a building site run by a local landlord.

Moving beyond the workplace, Evan Davis investigates how the town's local public services, such as schools and the NHS, are coping with the demands of the new arrivals.

As the British unemployed workers get to grips with their new jobs, this documentary examines the facts and dispels the myths around the subject of immigration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r3qyw

This the title of a new BBC Documentary/Reality Show to be broadcast on prime time BBC 1 on Wednesday. Fronted by Evan Davies the concept is that all the migrants have left, and unemployed people will temporarily take on variety of jobs a will spend a few days in a range of jobs, including working at one of the UK's largest potato companies, an asparagus farm, a building site and an Indian restaurant. The BBC describe it as ‘"fresh and engaging approach" to the issue of immigration and its impact on the UK economy. Yeah right….

Imo,this is not only a very crass and tasteless programming, it also echoes the much used dichotomy between ‘hard working migrants and lazy indigenous dolies, etc.

One wonders who commissioned this, if its meant to be serious it should be on BBC4, if its not, its flying close to the wind, particulalry with an election close and 'dolies'being hate figures for many.

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Perhaps a bit of a history lesson required here. How did all the veg get harvested & packed in the Fenland area around Wisbech & Boston in the past? Amazingly it was done completely by the local population. The work was on & off, poorly paid & the local folks just stayed permanently on't rock&roll & worked cash in hand as needed, the system worked perfectly until some government **** ****ed it up. The stories about failed DHSS busts are legendary, the whole area is flat as a pancake, the DHSS pigs could be seen coming from miles off & the workers just legged it across the fields.
Gradually the system was tightened up, the farmers & labour suppliers, the gangmasters(sounds feudal don't it?)were forced to stop 1/3 of cash in hand wages to go to the taxman & finally all workers had to be properly employed. The result was the locals just had to stay on benefits 'cos the wages offered were to piss poor to live on & the farms imported labour. In pre EU days it was mainly Czech & Lithuanian 'students' but also Portugese(EU so no restrictions on them) but once the former east-bloc countries had joined the EU with no restrictions placed on their populace coming to work in't UK(unlike countries like Holland/France etc who chose this option)the die was cast.
You might think the locals are inbred racist, but from an inbred racist's point of veiw they might just have a grievence. However, you may think perhaps their anger should be directed at an industry that has consistantly paid wages so piss poor that they(the locals)cannot afford to come off benifits & that industries' solution has been to import foreign workers instead of paying decent wages.

[newspresenter]

Right wing bbc??????????? More like far left.

I watched the beginning and sussed the programme out immediately, the programme was designed to make people think that the british were lazy and foreigners are damn fine workers, and the programme did exactly what it said on the label.

I mean, at one point the programme suggested that british people can't cook an indian, outrageous, so Gordon Ramsey couldn't cope in that Indian restaurant???

There aren't british people who could cut those asparagas like the foreigners could???

The programme was anti-british racism by far left bbc thugs designed to make people not vote BNP, it was made last summer, and yet took 6 months to schedule in...

[Kiwi 1691]

I mean, at one point the programme suggested that british people can't cook an indian, outrageous, so Gordon Ramsey couldn't cope in that Indian restaurant???

I have seen Gordon Ramsey attempt to cook in an Indian restaurant, and he did awfully.

There aren't british people who could cut those asparagas like the foreigners could???

The programme was anti-british racism by far left bbc thugs designed to make people not vote BNP, it was made last summer, and yet took 6 months to schedule in...

No, you just think that because you are a dumb nationalist.

I have said it before, employers hire whomever they deem to best fit what they are looking for. Regardless of nationality, if there are Brit citizens who are unemployed, it is because they are uncompetitive. They are uncompetitive either because they don't have the required skills/knowledge, or they are too lazy, or they demand more money than others.

[CAGAN]

I was amazed by the title of thread as the BBC are probably one of the most left wing groups in the country. The fact is that we need very few immigrants in this country, we just need to get the underclass off of their backsides. This would help in so many ways. Less immigrants would decrease the rate of culture erosion and less people claiming benefits could reduce taxes. Immigration has ruined this country and it sickens me that the writer of this thread can't see it.

[DTE]

Didn't see the programme, but I did see the debate on Newsnight that it sparked, which featured Phil Whoolis (sp?) of the DWP, the owner of the Asparagus farm featured, and one of the participants. Seemed fairly balanced to me. In the case of the asparagus farm, the problem lies in seasonal work, unemployed people risk losing their JSA (newspeak for the dole) if they sign off to do short term work (less than 3 months) because when the work ends, certain people are not permitted to go back on benefits. This, coupled with the paperwork and delays involved with both signing on and off, causes those people who typically do this type of work to not bother. Then of course there is the fact that immigrants are willing to work for less money.The debate is available on the Newsnight website and iplayer. To me it seemed like the programme was a half and half between the issues of immigration and unemployment, although anyone can see these 2 are intertwined.

But CAGAN is right about one thing (the horror!) the BBC is rarely accused of being right wing.

[Major Sinic]

Didn't see the programme, but I did see the debate on Newsnight that it sparked, which featured Phil Whoolis (sp?) of the DWP, the owner of the Asparagus farm featured, and one of the participants. Seemed fairly balanced to me. In the case of the asparagus farm, the problem lies in seasonal work, unemployed people risk losing their JSA (newspeak for the dole) if they sign off to do short term work (less than 3 months) because when the work ends, certain people are not permitted to go back on benefits. This, coupled with the paperwork and delays involved with both signing on and off, causes those people who typically do this type of work to not bother. Then of course there is the fact that immigrants are willing to work for less money.The debate is available on the Newsnight website and iplayer. To me it seemed like the programme was a half and half between the issues of immigration and unemployment, although anyone can see these 2 are intertwined.

But CAGAN is right about one thing (the horror!) the BBC is rarely accused of being right wing.

Having watched both, I would say that both were reasonably balanced. The three locals working at picking asparagus, each picked under half the amount averaged by the migrant workers. The two working on the potato packing line worked as well as the migrant workers, a fact which was acknowledged on the programme. Now it is of course possible that the production team edited out another three locals who picked twice as much as the migrant workers and two local workers who were useless at packing potatoes, but I don't think so.

The section of News Night dealing with this topic was also in my opinion even handed, with equal time given to Woolas and Green and to the local employer and the local worker. It did highlight the bureaucracy which disincentified the unemployed from working, a point which was made by the local employer.

The first half of the Woolas/Green interview exposed a massive scam relating to illegal immigration of 'students'. As someone who feels that this government has never got a handle on immigration this item simply confirmed what many of us have known for years.

[newspresenter]

I have seen Gordon Ramsey attempt to cook in an Indian restaurant, and he did awfully.

No, you just think that because you are a dumb nationalist.

I have said it before, employers hire whomever they deem to best fit what they are looking for. Regardless of nationality, if there are Brit citizens who are unemployed, it is because they are uncompetitive. They are uncompetitive either because they don't have the required skills/knowledge, or they are too lazy, or they demand more money than others.

Only a dumb far left thug would wrongly assume Gordon Ramsey (a Michelin 3? star Chef) couldn't work in an indian restaurant, especially if you'd watched his recent programme in India.

Some far left thugs know that employers hire the best available person for the job, but that doesn't mean a few unemployed british people represent all unemployed british people, thus, this programme was the result of the far left thugs in the BBC who wanted to paint the picture that 'we need immigrants'.

Anychance the far left thugs at the BBC could do a programme about immigrants on benefit, and how we can't do without them?

What use are immigrants on benefit, to us? Why import tax dodgers? Send them back? Immigrant criminals too?

[Barry]

The immigrant workers were well practised at the job, the British workers were not.
That accounts for the difference in results.

[Kiwi 1691]

Only a dumb far left thug would wrongly assume Gordon Ramsey (a Michelin 3? star Chef) couldn't work in an indian restaurant, especially if you'd watched his recent programme in India.

I have seen him working in an Indian restaurant, he was awful. Just because he is a good chef, doesn't mean he is good at all aspects of cooking, I have also seen Gorden attempt to make real sushi. He was so bad that if he cooked in Japan he'd probably be a rice washer.

[DTE]

Okay Kiwi we get it, the whole of Australasia hates Gordon Ramsey cuz he called your version of Gloria Hunniford a pig or something, he's still a good chef

[Kiwi 1691]

Okay Kiwi we get it, the whole of Australasia hates Gordon Ramsey cuz he called your version of Gloria Hunniford a pig or something, he's still a good chef

No, Heston Blumenthal is a good chef.

[DTE]

No, Heston Blumenthal is a good chef.

Actually they are BOTH good chefs, it can happen you know

Why post a picture of the leader of the mystical KKK putting his hat on?

[newspresenter]

I have seen him working in an Indian restaurant, he was awful. Just because he is a good chef, doesn't mean he is good at all aspects of cooking, I have also seen Gorden attempt to make real sushi. He was so bad that if he cooked in Japan he'd probably be a rice washer.

Explain 'he was awful' and his attempt at 'real sushi'? Are you an expert on both?

[newspresenter]

Okay Kiwi we get it, the whole of Australasia hates Gordon Ramsey cuz he called your version of Gloria Hunniford a pig or something, he's still a good chef

Only good? He's a world renowed Chef, he's helped struggling businesses get back on their feet and thrive, the man is an inspirational Chef, and he's british, a great hard working briton that few immigrants could get anywhere near his standards.

[Midas]

Interesting as though a discussion of two great chefs might be, can we please got back to the topic of the BBC allegedly stirring up racism?

[Neo2012]

Only a dumb far left thug would wrongly assume Gordon Ramsey (a Michelin 3? star Chef) couldn't work in an indian restaurant, especially if you'd watched his recent programme in India.

Some far left thugs know that employers hire the best available person for the job, but that doesn't mean a few unemployed british people represent all unemployed british people, thus, this programme was the result of the far left thugs in the BBC who wanted to paint the picture that 'we need immigrants'.

Anychance the far left thugs at the BBC could do a programme about immigrants on benefit, and how we can't do without them?

What use are immigrants on benefit, to us? Why import tax dodgers? Send them back? Immigrant criminals too?

The programme was anti-british racism by far left bbc thugs designed to make people not vote BNP, it was made last summer, and yet took 6 months to schedule in...

are you not the bloke who defended, bnp thugs attack on a journalist? just out of interest, do you consider David Cameron far left? I really would like to understand where you think on the right, the far left begins.

You are quickly turning into a comedy character. BBC thugs? rofl

[JacquesMagique]

I found it amusing how that guy who had been workign abroad for 8 years was moaning about immigrants taking jobs in Britain.

[Neo2012]

Right, the title was a bit tongue in cheek for me, but i knew 'news cut an paster' would claim it was a anti-white racist conspiracy, to undermine the tiny bnp. This is ludirous. The programme wasn't racist to anyone.
i have no comment on this, but an interesting fact about bbc 'racism' against blacks.

The BBC currently employs 10.2% of its staff from black and ethnic minorities, and 5.2% of its senior management. Targets for the end of 2007 are 12.5% and 7% respectively.

Mr Phillips said the BBC's targets were still too low.

"It's fine for [the BBC director of television] Jana Bennett to aim for a 10% target on screen, of characters and contributors, because that chimes with, or even exceeds, the percentage of minorities in the national audience.

"But on employment, the pool from which the BBC draws two-thirds of its staff [in cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester] is one-third ethnic minority.

"Do the sums: 10.2% is way underperforming. It's not hideous, but it's not good."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/may/31/bbc.race

So not lefty bbc, because lefties oppose racism in recruitment.

Was it fair/biased?

Erm, imo, if anything, the oldest prejudice in england, class. middle classes media, slagging off dolies, what ever colour. The maker, Evan Davies went to oxbridge! Worked on developing the poll tax according to wikipedia. He also crossed and encouraged others to cross the NUJ picket line a few years back. A prominent member of John Majors 'favourite think tank'. He was also in favour privatising Income Support as it was back then in the 1990s. http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/19...cksandcarrots/ hardly the most left wing in the country. If fact if thatcher is right wing, right wing.

Lastly, the suggestion that there was a conspiracy to make white worker look bad, i think is unlikely. if anything the reverse, making it look like the bosses were descriminating against the whites, would have created a media frenzy the bbc would have loved. in the end, why would that farmer boss be descriminating against the whites???? He wouldn't give **** what colour they are, as long as he makes a profit. The farmer was right wing.

So why don't the white's do the work? Think my 1st post covered the issue, of the media getting what it wanted, stop doleis working on the side. Right wing.


So does this make the BBC right wing? Errm, the BBC are like society. They have left wing ideas, and they have a right wing ideas. Overall, I would say the BBC is a pretty fair barometer of the middle. Certainly not the most extreme left wing group in the country.

[newspresenter]

just out of interest, do you consider David Cameron far left?

Yes, but you've been told to keep on topic.

I really would like to understand where you think on the right, the far left begins.

With you.

BBC thugs?

They bullied Nick Griffin on QT.
They send round strong men with steel capped boots if you havn't got round to pay the illegal (under EU constitutional law) licence fee.
They regularly interview polititely, the thugs of the UAF etc.
They demonise the BNP at every opportunity.
They encourage the multicultural hellhole which causes serious physical and mental harm on innocent people.
They've defended the illegal wars that have contributed to one million? deaths.

I'd say the BBC sometimes behaves in a thuggish like manner, and also in some very nice ways too.

[newspresenter]

I found it amusing how that guy who had been workign abroad for 8 years was moaning about immigrants taking jobs in Britain.

Did he say he left because he couldn't find the work for which he had skills for? The bold chap with girlfriend and kid, who now has left the area?

[JacquesMagique]

Did he say he left because he couldn't find the work for which he had skills for? The bold chap with girlfriend and kid, who now has left the area?

But obviously foreign people in the same situation who do the same should be frowned upon?

[newspresenter]

But obviously foreign people in the same situation who do the same should be frowned upon?

Absolutely not, and the BNp respect that, what they don't respect is racist British governments encouraging mass hell.

Thus, its time anti-BNPers started listening to the BNP rather than their enimies when it comes to BNP policy.

[JacquesMagique]

Absolutely not, and the BNp respect that, what they don't respect is racist British governments encouraging mass hell.

Thus, its time anti-BNPers started listening to the BNP rather than their enimies when it comes to BNP policy.

Well I think it's pretty clear that they don't respect that to be quite honest.

[Neo2012]

Absolutely not, and the BNp respect that, what they don't respect is racist British governments encouraging mass hell.

Thus, its time anti-BNPers started listening to the BNP rather than their enimies when it comes to BNP policy.

From the BNP constitution
Quote:
The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

[newspresenter]

Well done Nazi Neo hehe

[daz]

Evan Davies , job, could not just be done by some one cheaper of this country.But by someone not even bothing to do his job at all.Which would also save the power, to have the tv on.How much does he pick ina day(I would like to know) how much was he payed to do this? Come D.C.(dave cam) he will go. P.S .Lazy bad T.V.